[News] Late For Work 2/6: Steve Smith's Amazing Retirement Idea For Tom Brady And Bill Belichick

[ravens4life86]

Bythebay, I dont recall 25 point leads in those other games you mentioned. In fact cowboysv Pack was close down the stretch. So thats not choking.
Choking is when percentages say 95% chance or better 1 team has game locked up. I dont know odds but I would assume 25 point lead close to 90-95% win probability for Falcons.
Thats Choking.

I will give you GB Screwed up the onside kick but not nearly as bad cause competatition so even. People thought Falcons are the overrated franchise and they were shocking the world...then they Choked like they always do.
Playcalling,play execution, clock management. Everyone involved but Matt Ryan gets most blame cause he touches the ball every play. No different then Flacco in this city or any other city

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Maybe the Pats have their stats, but to be considered the Greatest of All Time one has to have honor. Cheating no matter to what degree is not honorable and undermines the integrity of the game.

The Pats also collected their stats during an era that heavily favored the Pats, eg: Tom Brady rule, and basically allowed for QB's to post massive numbers and stats. To suggest Tom Brady is better than the greats that came before him is laughable. He had a much easier road to get there and a gift wrapped division throughout his career thus far.

Yes he is good, but GOAT? Try earning it fair and square like the rest of the honorable players who willingly choose to maintain their integrity.

Some might call to attention the fact Jerry Rice can out and said he cheated, but he didn't, he mislead people to sway public opinion. When he used the stick-um, which would later be banned, it was not illegal when he did so. Once it was announced as illegal he prompted stopped. See Jerry Rice was and still is honorable.

If Tom Brady makes HOF give him a special corner by the restrooms called cheaters corner. I would honestly hope all those current HoF'ers would veto his admittance on the grounds he lacks the honor to be included amongst all the greats who earned their reward honestly with integrity.

[Crusader]

So how is Brady and Belichick good for the NFL?

[metalraven]

1 hour ago, ravens4life86 said:

People saying Brady is G.O.A.T. nope. Greatest Winner yes. But compare him to Bill Russell in nba(11 titles) yet Russell rarely gets put into the MJ,Kobe, whoever convo.

It takes more then rings to be the g.o.a.t., it takes peak athletic ability and skill, plus legit numbers. Now Just to compare brady isnt even in Aaron Rodgers league athletically gifts wise or a Elway of the 90s.
Brady whether his backers like it on not is like Montana a great system qb. Westcoast bunch of slot wrs who get yac.
Hes not G.o.a.t.
Stick him on the Browns with no bellicheck, no mcdaniels, no nothing. He might win 8 games. Playing in afc Least every year helps cupcake division too.

Put a Elway or Rodgers on the Browns the they win division titles at worst. Because They have bazooka arms, make plays with their feet, and especially Rodgers his accuracy is as good as Brady, he throws average wrs open, when they are not open puts it in smallest windows

Results are what matter the most, in the end. Not athletic ability. By your logic, Michael Vick is one of the GOATs. It is now undeniable. Whatever the reasons may be; Brady has been a winner for 16+ years, and NEVER shows signs of slowing down. I'd take Brady over Rogers any day of the week. (Ouch - that hurts to say) lol

[Ravenole]

Bythebay, I dont recall 25 point leads in those other games you mentioned. In fact cowboysv Pack was close down the stretch. So thats not choking.
Choking is when percentages say 95% chance or better 1 team has game locked up. I dont know odds but I would assume 25 point lead close to 90-95% win probability for Falcons.
Thats Choking.

I will give you GB Screwed up the onside kick but not nearly as bad cause competatition so even. People thought Falcons are the overrated franchise and they were shocking the world...then they Choked like they always do.
Playcalling,play execution, clock management. Everyone involved but Matt Ryan gets most blame cause he touches the ball every play. No different then Flacco in this city or any other city

I've seen Matt Ryan play since his college days and in all those years I can't think of one game where he needed to win and he didn't choke. He puts up great numbers during regular season games but when the playoffs begin he is mediocre at best.

[ByTheBay]

29 minutes ago, ravens4life86 said:

Bythebay, I dont recall 25 point leads in those other games you mentioned. In fact cowboysv Pack was close down the stretch. So thats not choking.
Choking is when percentages say 95% chance or better 1 team has game locked up. I dont know odds but I would assume 25 point lead close to 90-95% win probability for Falcons.
Thats Choking.

I will give you GB Screwed up the onside kick but not nearly as bad cause competatition so even. People thought Falcons are the overrated franchise and they were shocking the world...then they Choked like they always do.
Playcalling,play execution, clock management. Everyone involved but Matt Ryan gets most blame cause he touches the ball every play. No different then Flacco in this city or any other city

The true dictionary definition of choking is

"to lose ones composure and fail to perform effectively in a critical situation"

No need to be so extreme to try and make your point by saying a team needs to have 95% chance of winning in order to qualify as choking

Think of it this way, it's a tied game with no time left and Lebron gets fouled as the buzzer sounds. He has 2 shots to win the game and both are airballs. Did he choke?

[metalraven]

1 hour ago, budman said:

Point is that they would not be able to win the division EVERY year as they have done in the east. If they do not win their division every year, they do not get the byes and they do not end up in that many Super Bowls. Yep, I'm hating on them because I can't stand them.

True. But we can longer use that as an argument against them. It's not their fault the division sucks. Ya, it'd be nice to have a cupcake division; but Pats have proved over and over that it does not matter who they play - they're usually better. That is a fact. The AFCG and super bowls have nothing to do with the division. They win, and they can beat anybody, any time.

[Crusader]

The slogan in the Patriots Locker room is the key to their winning. "DO YOUR JOB". HINT

[ByTheBay]

1 hour ago, budman said:

Point is that they would not be able to win the division EVERY year as they have done in the east. If they do not win their division every year, they do not get the byes and they do not end up in that many Super Bowls. Yep, I'm hating on them because I can't stand them.

Fans also need to wake up to the fact that the Dolphins had 10 wins this year. Jets had 10 wins last year. Bills had 9 in 2014 and so on. It's not like the pats are playing the browns 6 times a year. Other teams in the AFCE are competitive. They just aren't as good as the Pats. 

In fact since 2008 the Patriots have a 13-6 record against the AFCN and only 1 of those games was against the browns. So they beat the Ravens, Steelers and Bengles 2 out of every 3 times they play them. I would guess that is inline with their win percentage in their own division. 

Oh and I apologize for sticking up for the patriots. I hate them but facts are facts and I believe we as a team and fan base can not get better by continuing to stick our heads in the sand and blame our problems on others. 

[hen826957]

Hate to say it but the Patriots are better than us. They just keep winning. Hate to say that as a Ravens fan but that the truth.

[RavensDieHard21]

Julio the goat Ronnie? Lol he's amazing and a young phenom, but I don't think anyone will ever, I mean ever, touch Jerry Rice

[MileHighMiracle12]

So how is Brady and Belichick good for the NFL?

Brady and Belichick are good for the NFL the same way the late 90's Yankees dynasty was good for baseball... Having a 'villain' makes rooting for your team to beat them that much more fun... but that villain needs to win consistently to prove they are an actual threat or else they aren't really a villain at all. If the Browns were caught cheating, or expanding the rules, etc. but still went 1-15, would anyone care?

[Crusader]

I just wish their fans will stop pulling fire alarms on other teams, messing with the game clock, headphones, down markers, balls, team buses.........

[Crusader]

I see someone stole Tom Brady jersey. Those New England fans are scum.

[The Greek]

does bmore give justin gilbert a shot? can he get his career on track?

[Swift 1]

4 hours ago, ravens4life86 said:

People saying Brady is G.O.A.T. nope. Greatest Winner yes. But compare him to Bill Russell in nba(11 titles) yet Russell rarely gets put into the MJ,Kobe, whoever convo.

It takes more then rings to be the g.o.a.t., it takes peak athletic ability and skill, plus legit numbers. Now Just to compare brady isnt even in Aaron Rodgers league athletically gifts wise or a Elway of the 90s.
Brady whether his backers like it on not is like Montana a great system qb. Westcoast bunch of slot wrs who get yac.
Hes not G.o.a.t.
Stick him on the Browns with no bellicheck, no mcdaniels, no nothing. He might win 8 games. Playing in afc Least every year helps cupcake division too.

Put a Elway or Rodgers on the Browns the they win division titles at worst. Because They have bazooka arms, make plays with their feet, and especially Rodgers his accuracy is as good as Brady, he throws average wrs open, when they are not open puts it in smallest windows

What am I missing? Doesn't GOAT mean you are the one responsible for the loss?

[Swift 1]

3 hours ago, ByTheBay said:

The true dictionary definition of choking is

"to lose ones composure and fail to perform effectively in a critical situation"

No need to be so extreme to try and make your point by saying a team needs to have 95% chance of winning in order to qualify as choking

Think of it this way, it's a tied game with no time left and Lebron gets fouled as the buzzer sounds. He has 2 shots to win the game and both are airballs. Did he choke?

I agree and think it is unfair to say Ryan chocked. He was beat.More accurate the FAlcons were beat.

[RailBird]

Ryan's only mistake of the evening was allowing the sack that put them out of fieldgoal range, and what a costly mistake that was.

[Moderator 3]

1 hour ago, Swift 1 said:

What am I missing? Doesn't GOAT mean you are the one responsible for the loss?

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[reed20]

9 hours ago, budman said:

If the Patriots only played in a REAL division like the AFCN.

Both the Ravens and the Steelers, the top 2 AFCN teams lost to them this year so that's pretty irrelevant. New England makes the rest of the East look bad by constantly beating up on them. 

[provemewrong2052]

i love it matt ryan lost and flacco is still the only qb from his draft class with a ring wooooooooooooo.

[TheConquerorWorm]

  6 hours ago, ravens4life86 said:

Bythebay, I dont recall 25 point leads in those other games you mentioned. In fact cowboysv Pack was close down the stretch. So thats not choking.
Choking is when percentages say 95% chance or better 1 team has game locked up. I dont know odds but I would assume 25 point lead close to 90-95% win probability for Falcons.
Thats Choking.

I will give you GB Screwed up the onside kick but not nearly as bad cause competatition so even. People thought Falcons are the overrated franchise and they were shocking the world...then they Choked like they always do.
Playcalling,play execution, clock management. Everyone involved but Matt Ryan gets most blame cause he touches the ball every play. No different then Flacco in this city or any other city

I've seen Matt Ryan play since his college days and in all those years I can't think of one game where he needed to win and he didn't choke. He puts up great numbers during regular season games but when the playoffs begin he is mediocre at best.

Yup, Phillip Rivers 2.0. Choke artists come play-offs. 52 seconds on the clock and all you needed was FG. Throw a 4 yard checkdown (doesn't get out of bounds), spike the ball, throw a horrible (intercepted) pass to a double covered TE. No Julio, no Sanu, the TE....smh. The Falcons 4th Quarter possessions - Punt, Fumble, Punt, Punt. Add in the 2nd worst play-call in Super Bowl history and taking a sack from a defender up the middle that Ryan is looking at = CHOKE!

[TheConquerorWorm]

  9 hours ago, robbie29 said:

The NFL is becoming more and more like WWE- it's more about entertaining and less about playing the freakin' game. With all the billions that are tied up in the league, each week and especially the Super Bowl- there's no way I'll believe that a lot of what we're seeing ain't scripted. Heck, we're probably just a few years away from entire seasons being choreographed.

Break out the tin foil hats. I hear there's aliens in the Nevada desert too. 

While I agree with you, it does seem strange that just when it started to look like the Falcons were going to blow them out (already 14-0), the Pats got 3 straight "defensive holding calls" on 3rd down. And other than the "illegal touching" on the onside kick, not a single penalty on the Pats the entire 2nd half but 4 flags on the Falcons.

"Scripted" is way past conspiracy theory but whistles by the refs in basketball have been used to "shave points" & "engineer comebacks" for the past 50 years....

[#Nevermore]

Bythebay, I dont recall 25 point leads in those other games you mentioned. In fact cowboysv Pack was close down the stretch. So thats not choking.
Choking is when percentages say 95% chance or better 1 team has game locked up. I dont know odds but I would assume 25 point lead close to 90-95% win probability for Falcons.
Thats Choking.

I will give you GB Screwed up the onside kick but not nearly as bad cause competatition so even. People thought Falcons are the overrated franchise and they were shocking the world...then they Choked like they always do.
Playcalling,play execution, clock management. Everyone involved but Matt Ryan gets most blame cause he touches the ball every play. No different then Flacco in this city or any other city

NFL Network looked at the numbers. The Falcons had a 99% chance of winning the game in at least two different points.

[#Nevermore]

  10 hours ago, ByTheBay said:

The true dictionary definition of choking is

"to lose ones composure and fail to perform effectively in a critical situation"

No need to be so extreme to try and make your point by saying a team needs to have 95% chance of winning in order to qualify as choking

Think of it this way, it's a tied game with no time left and Lebron gets fouled as the buzzer sounds. He has 2 shots to win the game and both are airballs. Did he choke?

I agree and think it is unfair to say Ryan chocked. He was beat.More accurate the FAlcons were beat.

I disagree, they chocked. You only have to make a handful of plays in the 2nd half to win and they couldn't do it. When you blow a 25 point lead in the 2nd half of the SuperBowl...you choke. The Patriots did take advantage, but the Falcons had the dame in their hands.

[#Nevermore]

I'm tired of people wanting these great quarterbacks to retire on top. Manning, Brady, Ben...I don't want them to retire with smiles on their faces. I want us to beat them every year that they retire because they know it will be a cold day in hell when they can come into M&T Bank stadium in the playoffs and beat us (I know Manning is already retired).

Stop begging for Brady to retire and beat him. Put a team together that can win. This is getting sickening. There is no reason we can't compete with the Patriots year in and year out. Get some real coaches. The Patriots roster is no more talented than our roster, they just have a better coach. The Ravens need to kick it into gear.

[ravens4life86]

#Nevermore, totally agree with your point bout coaching. Not just bout Falcons choking last night but for every team. The patriots are not overly superior talented crew especially without Gronk. In fact most people will tell you Falcons were far more athletic and superior talented team with Julio,Sanu,Freeman,Coleman etc
And nobody was praising Brady when he was getting crushed for 3 quarters.
But Patriots have Billy Bellicheck and they have a system. Just like Wash and Montana. And because Kyle Shanahan refused to run the ball in the 2nd half, let along 3 straight plays once inside the 25 after Julio catch..and get the 40 yrd fg to seal the game. The difference in coaching shows up again.

Lastly when are we going to get some more LoungePodCasts?
I look forward to those. I know its offseason but I thought were going to get 1 a week atleast or something.
Start talking draft and possible free agent moves

[RaRaRavens]

I'm tired of people wanting these great quarterbacks to retire on top. Manning, Brady, Ben...I don't want them to retire with smiles on their faces. I want us to beat them every year that they retire because they know it will be a cold day in hell when they can come into M&T Bank stadium in the playoffs and beat us (I know Manning is already retired).

Stop begging for Brady to retire and beat him. Put a team together that can win. This is getting sickening. There is no reason we can't compete with the Patriots year in and year out. Get some real coaches. The Patriots roster is no more talented than our roster, they just have a better coach. The Ravens need to kick it into gear.

I agree. Comparing the Patriots roster to ours, aside from the QB position and with healthy J. Smith in the lineup, they had no position group that was clearly better from ours this year. Which makes our blunder (or their SB victory) that much more impressive.

And when going back in time, I think in 2014 we actually had a better team than them. So there has definitely been no deficit between us talent wise. It has been all coaching and then some adequate QB play.

[Crusader]

I don't know who or what happen in the Pats locker room but you can tell they were fired up coming out of the half more than Falcons. I would have love to hear that speech or who they were.. I don't think the Falcons will ever recover from that. I guess Kyle Shanahan not on the Ravens Radar any more.

[billiejean]

2 hours ago, Crusader said:

I don't know who or what happen in the Pats locker room but you can tell they were fired up coming out of the half more than Falcons. I would have love to hear that speech or who they were.. I don't think the Falcons will ever recover from that. I guess Kyle Shanahan not on the Ravens Radar any more.

Why because the lost the Super Bowl? Hes not on our radar because he signed up to be the Falcons HC three weeks ago. If we had an opening at OC or HC and he hadn't already signed with another team, the Superbowl loss wouldn't automatically disqualify him from being hired.  

Edited February 7 by billiejean