Ravens were about to give entire 2008 draft for Ryan

[frozen joe flacco fan]

On ‎2‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 8:51 AM, ratedr said:

A huge part of the Falcons having a huge lead was the defense playing lights out for the first 3 quarters. The Falcons offense simply stopped scoring. But as with frozen joe, I don't blame any one player. Kyle Shanahan blew the game for the Falcons.

BINGO! This was all about Kyle Shanahan's ego. Like father like son!

I have said I don't blame the loss on Matt Ryan and I'm sticking to my guns on that point. It is amusing though to read so many posts by the Flacco haters and critics who would have blamed Joe for not calling an audible if he didn't like the play call(s). I can't count the number of times some of our loyal fanbase bashed Joe for not calling an audible in similar situations this year but he wasn't given a pass like they gave Matman in this thread. If I remember correctly, the complaint several of Joe's most ardent critics used was ---- a veteran, Franchise QB should be able to veto the OC's play call if he thinks its not going to work. Didn't MattVP come into the NFL the same year as Joe? So, I guess he should have audibled out of the pass plays that were called and run the ball since he's a veteran, Franchise QB. Gimme a break! OR at least be consistent with your critique of Joe's on the field decision-making. In the real world, calling audibles doesn't work like your Madden football computer game. There's a word called insubordination. This story was all about a young OC who wanted to put his foot on the throat of the Patriots instead of just beating them so as to make a bigger name for himself before he departed to run the WCO in SF.

I would love to hear what all the Flacco critics would be sayin 'bout the collapse if Joe had been at the helm instead of the Ice Man. I got news for them. The Ice Man is right here in Ballmer and his name is Joe Flacco. Joe's a Super Bowl MVP; Matt is a league MVP. I'll take the former anyday, all day!

[Swift 1]

42 minutes ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

BINGO! This was all about Kyle Shanahan's ego. Like father like son!

I have said I don't blame the loss on Matt Ryan and I'm sticking to my guns on that point. It is amusing though to read so many posts by the Flacco haters and critics who would have blamed Joe for not calling an audible if he didn't like the play call(s). I can't count the number of times some of our loyal fanbase bashed Joe for not calling an audible in similar situations this year but he wasn't given a pass like they gave Matman in this thread. If I remember correctly, the complaint several of Joe's most ardent critics used was ---- a veteran, Franchise QB should be able to veto the OC's play call if he thinks its not going to work. Didn't MattVP come into the NFL the same year as Joe? So, I guess he should have audibled out of the pass plays that were called and run the ball since he's a veteran, Franchise QB. Gimme a break! OR at least be consistent with your critique of Joe's on the field decision-making. In the real world, calling audibles doesn't work like your Madden football computer game. There's a word called insubordination. This story was all about a young OC who wanted to put his foot on the throat of the Patriots instead of just beating them so as to make a bigger name for himself before he departed to run the WCO in SF.

I would love to hear what all the Flacco critics would be sayin 'bout the collapse if Joe had been at the helm instead of the Ice Man. I got news for them. The Ice Man is right here in Ballmer and his name is Joe Flacco. Joe's a Super Bowl MVP; Matt is a league MVP. I'll take the former anyday, all day!

Isn't he the same guy these boards wants Bissicotti  to fire the Raves entire coaching staff so we can make him our HC and/or OC?

 

[regz1997]

On 2/5/2017 at 8:16 PM, rmw10 said:

One of the rare times where both teams are probably happy with their choice.  Ryan may be playing at a high level right now, but Flacco was better during the early portions of their careers.

Flacco also hasn't played for the last 5 years with a receiver who has made a case for himself as the best in the league. Take Julio away from the Falcons and that receiving corps closely mirrors what Joe has played with year in and year out. 

[trevorsteadman]

6 hours ago, regz1997 said:

Flacco also hasn't played for the last 5 years with a receiver who has made a case for himself as the best in the league. Take Julio away from the Falcons and that receiving corps closely mirrors what Joe has played with year in and year out. 

Yep look at the division and the Ravens have had the worst receiver core for awhile. Bengals have AJ Green and Steelers have Antonio Brown... Both are top 5 if not top 3 receivers in the game behind Julio. Even the Browns have some of the young talent at WR that has shown promise. They have Josh Gordon (when he isn't suspended), Terrell Pryor (unless he doesn't resign), and even Corey Coleman a promising rookie. The Ravens have had to use aging veterans to fill that role and while I don't want to take anything away from Mason, Boldin, or Smith Sr., but they are not playing at the level of AJ Green or Antonio Brown at the point in their career. Hopefully Perriman pans out. The few times he touched the ball he was electric and put some fire into the offense. This is without two full offseasons and he still got 500 yards and a few touchdowns in a #3 role. I am hoping he continues to improve.

[gtalk12]

On ‎2‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 5:53 AM, BmoreBird22 said:

So I guess Flacco didn't win the game. It was won by an Ed Reed interception, Jacoby Jones kickoff return, and an Upshaw forced fumble, all leading to 21 points. And then, it was Sam Koch who actually won the game by ensuring a kickoff was the final play of the game.

 

So you are going to casually ignore the throws he made to Boldin to move the chains and get us into field goal range after the defense collapsed? Or should I remind you what kind of defense the 49ers had?

 

 

[regz1997]

3 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Yep look at the division and the Ravens have had the worst receiver core for awhile. Bengals have AJ Green and Steelers have Antonio Brown... Both are top 5 if not top 3 receivers in the game behind Julio. Even the Browns have some of the young talent at WR that has shown promise. They have Josh Gordon (when he isn't suspended), Terrell Pryor (unless he doesn't resign), and even Corey Coleman a promising rookie. The Ravens have had to use aging veterans to fill that role and while I don't want to take anything away from Mason, Boldin, or Smith Sr., but they are not playing at the level of AJ Green or Antonio Brown at the point in their career. Hopefully Perriman pans out. The few times he touched the ball he was electric and put some fire into the offense. This is without two full offseasons and he still got 500 yards and a few touchdowns in a #3 role. I am hoping he continues to improve.

I'm rooting for Perriman too, but I'm not holding my breath. At best, I could see him being a good receiver. What holds him back from being a great receiver is his hands. Great receivers catch big passes even though being covered well. His route running also needs to improve, but that can improve with age. 

[gtalk12]

6 minutes ago, regz1997 said:

I'm rooting for Perriman too, but I'm not holding my breath. At best, I could see him being a good receiver. What holds him back from being a great receiver is his hands. Great receivers catch big passes even though being covered well. His route running also needs to improve, but that can improve with age. 

That's what makes him weird, he has shown that he can make the big catch that separates him from everyone else on the roster. It's the easier stuff that he seems to have an issue with.

[trevorsteadman]

17 minutes ago, regz1997 said:

I'm rooting for Perriman too, but I'm not holding my breath. At best, I could see him being a good receiver. What holds him back from being a great receiver is his hands. Great receivers catch big passes even though being covered well. His route running also needs to improve, but that can improve with age. 

 

10 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

That's what makes him weird, he has shown that he can make the big catch that separates him from everyone else on the roster. It's the easier stuff that he seems to have an issue with.

I agree with gtalk he has made big plays... There should've been two other touchdowns if he got his feet down would've been more points. He catches the hard ones and then drops some of the easy ones.... It is concentration drops which will likely just need to be worked out by more playing time.

[regz1997]

1 minute ago, trevorsteadman said:

 

I agree with gtalk he has made big plays... There should've been two other touchdowns if he got his feet down would've been more points. He catches the hard ones and then drops some of the easy ones.... It is concentration drops which will likely just need to be worked out by more playing time.

Good point. I just remember seeing some that would be a difficult catch in coverage but he wouldn't bring it in. 

He seemed to have the same problem you guys are referring to in college as well. 

[usmccharles]

31 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

So you are going to casually ignore the throws he made to Boldin to move the chains and get us into field goal range after the defense collapsed? Or should I remind you what kind of defense the 49ers had?

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic,  just a hunch 

[AsianRice]

17 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

BINGO! This was all about Kyle Shanahan's ego. Like father like son!

I have said I don't blame the loss on Matt Ryan and I'm sticking to my guns on that point. It is amusing though to read so many posts by the Flacco haters and critics who would have blamed Joe for not calling an audible if he didn't like the play call(s). I can't count the number of times some of our loyal fanbase bashed Joe for not calling an audible in similar situations this year but he wasn't given a pass like they gave Matman in this thread. If I remember correctly, the complaint several of Joe's most ardent critics used was ---- a veteran, Franchise QB should be able to veto the OC's play call if he thinks its not going to work. Didn't MattVP come into the NFL the same year as Joe? So, I guess he should have audibled out of the pass plays that were called and run the ball since he's a veteran, Franchise QB. Gimme a break! OR at least be consistent with your critique of Joe's on the field decision-making. In the real world, calling audibles doesn't work like your Madden football computer game. There's a word called insubordination. This story was all about a young OC who wanted to put his foot on the throat of the Patriots instead of just beating them so as to make a bigger name for himself before he departed to run the WCO in SF.

I would love to hear what all the Flacco critics would be sayin 'bout the collapse if Joe had been at the helm instead of the Ice Man. I got news for them. The Ice Man is right here in Ballmer and his name is Joe Flacco. Joe's a Super Bowl MVP; Matt is a league MVP. I'll take the former anyday, all day!

If you re watch the SB2013, when we were down by 2pts and we badly needed a first down to keep the momentum and get a FG a least; it was 3rd and 2 and it's a run call..  Joe audibled out and called a back shoulder pass to Boldin to right side when he was one on one.  He made the throw and the rest was history....

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, gtalk12 said:

So you are going to casually ignore the throws he made to Boldin to move the chains and get us into field goal range after the defense collapsed? Or should I remind you what kind of defense the 49ers had?

I was making a point that Ryan had an excellent game and shoddy play calling and a defensive collapse cost the game.

[BmoreBird22]

54 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic,  just a hunch 

It was sarcasm/pointing out a possibility double standard

[PurpleCity5]

3 hours ago, regz1997 said:

I'm rooting for Perriman too, but I'm not holding my breath. At best, I could see him being a good receiver. What holds him back from being a great receiver is his hands. Great receivers catch big passes even though being covered well. His route running also needs to improve, but that can improve with age. 

I don't think his hands are the biggest concern for me. Plenty of great receivers like Mike Evans, Brandon Marshall, and Demaryius Thomas have hands problems of their own and that hasn't stop them from being great at what they do. I think hands are a thing he has to improve on but its not whats going to restrict him from being great. 

[AsianRice]

58 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I don't think his hands are the biggest concern for me. Plenty of great receivers like Mike Evans, Brandon Marshall, and Demaryius Thomas have hands problems of their own and that hasn't stop them from being great at what they do. I think hands are a thing he has to improve on but its not whats going to restrict him from being great. 

Ball machine will fix the hands' problem for sure, but it's mental part of the game which really lingers his progress.  If he can get over that hump, he can be great....

 

 

 

[regz1997]

1 hour ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I don't think his hands are the biggest concern for me. Plenty of great receivers like Mike Evans, Brandon Marshall, and Demaryius Thomas have hands problems of their own and that hasn't stop them from being great at what they do. I think hands are a thing he has to improve on but its not whats going to restrict him from being great. 

His hands are so inconsistent though. Some games he has perfect hands, and others he looks horrible.

What do you think is the biggest specific issue with his game?

[BmoreBird22]

13 minutes ago, regz1997 said:

His hands are so inconsistent though. Some games he has perfect hands, and others he looks horrible.

What do you think is the biggest specific issue with his game?

Route running

[frozen joe flacco fan]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I was making a point that Ryan had an excellent game and shoddy play calling and a defensive collapse cost the game.

Hoorah! I agree with you!

[frozen joe flacco fan]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

It was sarcasm/pointing out a possibility double standard

Boo! I disagree. You surely wouldn't be as benevolent if the same collapse had occurred with Joe Flacco at the helm. We kinda experienced some kind of collapse in the second half of the SB in 2013. This SB was eerily reminiscent to that one. Other than the lights going out, what caused our collapse in that SB? The only difference was Joey Ice brought his team back; Mattie Ice melted with the game on the line.

Please RSVP!  

[frozen joe flacco fan]

5 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

 

I agree with gtalk he has made big plays... There should've been two other touchdowns if he got his feet down would've been more points. He catches the hard ones and then drops some of the easy ones.... It is concentration drops which will likely just need to be worked out by more playing time.

Yeah, Mel Kiper or somebody summed it up in a quote by saying the same thing. Perriman makes some circus catches now & then but drops routine catches that a Pro has to make. So far, he's been an enigma. IDK how many times I uttered the words "you have to make that catch if you're  professional." Its more than working out with a Juggs machine. Somebody needs to whack him with a beach noodle or make him blink just when the ball arrives when he's about to catch a pass in practice.  

[gtalk12]

30 minutes ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

Yeah, Mel Kiper or somebody summed it up in a quote by saying the same thing. Perriman makes some circus catches now & then but drops routine catches that a Pro has to make. So far, he's been an enigma. IDK how many times I uttered the words "you have to make that catch if you're  professional." Its more than working out with a Juggs machine. Somebody needs to whack him with a beach noodle or make him blink just when the ball arrives when he's about to catch a pass in practice.  

it's simple, when you throw it make sure its a tough ball to come down with....he tends to catch those lol

[PurpleCity5]

6 hours ago, regz1997 said:

His hands are so inconsistent though. Some games he has perfect hands, and others he looks horrible.

What do you think is the biggest specific issue with his game?

Route running is something he'll have to fix for sure and his biggest issue. I don't think it's all on him though, those two off-seasons where he didn't get to refine his game hurt badly towards his development. I'm okay with route running being the issue he needs to fix because lots of guys out there didn't start out great there, it takes a lot of practice and dedication and he'll get there, he just needs time. 

[BmoreBird22]

14 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

Hoorah! I agree with you!

I do not think he would have won MVP, though. I 100% think Jarrett would have.

[BmoreBird22]

14 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

Boo! I disagree. You surely wouldn't be as benevolent if the same collapse had occurred with Joe Flacco at the helm. We kinda experienced some kind of collapse in the second half of the SB in 2013. This SB was eerily reminiscent to that one. Other than the lights going out, what caused our collapse in that SB? The only difference was Joey Ice brought his team back; Mattie Ice melted with the game on the line.

Please RSVP!  

I wouldn't blame Joe, though, because Rice fumbled, Ngata went out, and the punt coverage broke down for an extremely long game. Not to mention the fake field goal.

Joe had a killer game and I wouldn't be able to pin the blame on him.

[Tank 92]

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I wouldn't blame Joe, though, because Rice fumbled, Ngata went out, and the punt coverage broke down for an extremely long game. Not to mention the fake field goal.

And Joe and the offense were on the field for three times as many plays as Matt and the the Falcons in the second half of that game. As was mentioned when you first brought up the analogy, they were completely different situations and in no way comparable.  

[Tru11]

28 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

And Joe and the offense were on the field for three times as many plays as Matt and the the Falcons in the second half of that game. As was mentioned when you first brought up the analogy, they were completely different situations and in no way comparable.  

falcons offense accounted for 7 points in the 2nd half.
ravens offense accounted for 6 points in the 2nd half

so......

[gtalk12]

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

falcons offense accounted for 7 points in the 2nd half.
ravens offense accounted for 6 points in the 2nd half

so......

 

chain moving, eating up clock, making a throw to get us in field goal range....

 

Ryan could not move the chains when they needed him to, it wasn't the fact he did not throw a TD.

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

And Joe and the offense were on the field for three times as many plays as Matt and the the Falcons in the second half of that game. As was mentioned when you first brought up the analogy, they were completely different situations and in no way comparable.  

It's still a comparable situation time wise...

[BmoreBird22]

22 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

 

chain moving, eating up clock, making a throw to get us in field goal range....

 

Ryan could not move the chains when they needed him to, it wasn't the fact he did not throw a TD.

He didn't throw the touchdown, but he got them in position for Coleman's run and he got them into field goal range twice before shoddy play calling pulled them back, so I mean...

[Tank 92]

6 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

It's still a comparable situation time wise...

OK, to state the obvious there were completely different circumstances. One was lengthened by the normal run of play that could happen in any game, not unusual. The other was lengthened by a freakish power outage while the game was being played that robbed momentum, an unprecedented event that will most likely never happen again.