Ravens were about to give entire 2008 draft for Ryan

[allblackraven]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I didn't have the biggest issue with the play call that led to the sack. I thought they should have just ran the ball, but the sack still keeps them in field goal range and maybe a pass puts the game supremely out of reach by setting up a touchdown. It's the Super Bowl; I understand taking a chance. Fine.

My bigger issue is that they passed AGAIN. That blew my mind because it's then 3rd and 23. The Patriots are likely to concede four or five yards, if not more, and make it a field goal inside 50 yards and chew up clock.

I really have no idea why Shanahan wanted to pass it again. Blows my mind.

And on top of it, he didn't even try to give them a different look / something to think about - no HB lined up in a backfield. There's just no rational way to explain it.

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, gtalk12 said:

 

Flacco and the offense put us up by 14 twice that game. That was until the defense completely was massacred, Brady attacked one side of the field....they even threw in a WR throw for a TD.........

Ryan and the offense put them up by 25 and the defense collapsed. I mean...

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

And on top of it, he didn't even try to give them a different look / something to think about - no HB lined up in a backfield. There's just no rational way to explain it.

They would have been better served just kneeling the ball. 

I highly doubt the running game was going to realistically do much in the second half because of Mack's leg and adjustments BB made, BUT at that field position, it doesn't even matter if you get a yard or lose three or four. You're milking the clock and keeping in field goal range.

I don't believe the NFL is fixed or in conspiracies, but if there were ever a time my stance might waver a bit, it'd be here because nothing about that fourth quarter made sense.

[redrum52]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Ryan and the offense put them up by 25 and the defense collapsed. I mean...

It's so funny how some really don't see the irony.

[redrum52]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

They would have been better served just kneeling the ball. 

I highly doubt the running game was going to realistically do much in the second half because of Mack's leg and adjustments BB made, BUT at that field position, it doesn't even matter if you get a yard or lose three or four. You're milking the clock and keeping in field goal range.

I don't believe the NFL is fixed or in conspiracies, but if there were ever a time my stance might waver a bit, it'd be here because nothing about that fourth quarter made sense.

Start checking spreads and you might start believing.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

I just read this on Pro Football Rumors as well and I can't believe the Ravens would have been stupid enough to do that trade. The last time somebody traded their entire draft to get one player was Mike Ditka of then the Saints to get Ricky Williams. That move set that franchise back for years and cost Mike Ditka his career.

I think Matt Ryan is a good QB. He probably would have done pretty well in Baltimore given all the same pieces. The Ravens got Ray Rice in the second round in that same draft and some names that are easy to forget because they never amounted to much. They did add Tom Zbikowski and Haruki Nakamura who were very good back up safeties and special team players for us for a number of years.

[usmccharles]

42 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

I just read this on Pro Football Rumors as well and I can't believe the Ravens would have been stupid enough to do that trade. The last time somebody traded their entire draft to get one player was Mike Ditka of then the Saints to get Ricky Williams. That move set that franchise back for years and cost Mike Ditka his career.

I think Matt Ryan is a good QB. He probably would have done pretty well in Baltimore given all the same pieces. The Ravens got Ray Rice in the second round in that same draft and some names that are easy to forget because they never amounted to much. They did add Tom Zbikowski and Haruki Nakamura who were very good back up safeties and special team players for us for a number of years.

I definitely wouldnt have been a fan of the move, but outside of RR no one from that draft really amounted to anything.  I know Zibby and Haruki contributed on special teams, but i think we would of managed with out them or found some un-drafted guys.  But the production that we got from RR most likely wouldnt been found anywhere else.  In my opinion the trade for Julio set them back, which is what would of happened to us, in my opinion. 

[frozen joe flacco fan]

6 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Ryan and the offense put them up by 25 and the defense collapsed. I mean...

Not true. Ryan's offense had nothing to do with the pic six interception for a TD and the stripped fumble which led to the other TD. Did  you miss the game? That game was not won by the Patriots or Tom Brady; it was lost by the Falcons. Here's why: The Falcons' coaching staff's playcalling was horrendous in the second half. They arrogantly assumed the game was over at half-time and they let their huge egos influence their decision-making. Clearly, their intent was too humiliate the Patriots by running up the score rather than to focus on winning the game. My youth football players were taught by me to never feel sorry for your opponent but also to never disrespect them. Dan Quinn and Kyle Shanahan share equally in what was the biggest collapse in SB history. There was no conspiracy. It was all about having your MVP QB and your highly touted offense destroy their opponent after they were already defeated. That's all! Its called Football 101 Like Bill Belichick says, there's no mystery. Just Do Your Job! Leading 28-3 with 8:30 to go in the 3rd quarter, they should have shortened the game by running the football. Time was the enemy of the Patriots at that point. Glad Kyle Shanahan and Matt Ryan aren't in BMore! I'll take Julio though. He's just a beast!

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

Not true. Ryan's offense had nothing to do with the pic six interception for a TD and the stripped fumble which led to the other TD. Did  you miss the game? 

So I guess Flacco didn't win the game. It was won by an Ed Reed interception, Jacoby Jones kickoff return, and an Upshaw forced fumble, all leading to 21 points. And then, it was Sam Koch who actually won the game by ensuring a kickoff was the final play of the game.

[Halshayeji]

20 hours ago, jimmypowder said:

Can Tom Brady just retire now! 

No! We gotta kick his behind before he leaves for good lol

[OUravensfan]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

So I guess Flacco didn't win the game. It was won by an Ed Reed interception, Jacoby Jones kickoff return, and an Upshaw forced fumble, all leading to 21 points. And then, it was Sam Koch who actually won the game by ensuring a kickoff was the final play of the game.

That fumble was way in our territory to be fair. Flacco probably has another TD this game if Torrey Smith isn't held, also who the hell knows what happens without the power outage.

Let us have the one small benefit of the Patriots winning lol, we can always tell Falcons fans that Flacco wouldn't have fumbled or taken that sack.

[Purple_City39]

13 hours ago, Tru11 said:

i cant think of 1 play off game where flacco was pressured over 60% of the time and played great.

probably because he usually has good protection when we make the play offs.

 

2011 Divisional round against Houston.  They manhandled our o-line.  Joe didn't light the world up, but I don't recall any turnovers and he had a solid 2 TDs.  The Patriots game after featured a ton of pressure also as Wilfork abused Grubbs, Birk, and Yanda all first half.  Can't say if either were or weren't at 60% though.  I just remember thinking "wow, Joe is getting massacred out there"

[terrynjulia03]

Think I read a correction that it was that years 1st and 2nd and we offered that years 3rd or 4th and they covered with 2009 2nd also, and that's when we said no. So essentially, Joe, Rice, Gooden and Kruger.

Which TBH I still wouldn't switch for, I just don't think Ryan would hold up in our division. If you look at PFF and his career stats outside vs inside it's night and day. 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

13 minutes ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Think I read a correction that it was that years 1st and 2nd and we offered that years 3rd or 4th and they covered with 2009 2nd also, and that's when we said no. So essentially, Joe, Rice, Gooden and Kruger.

Which TBH I still wouldn't switch for, I just don't think Ryan would hold up in our division. If you look at PFF and his career stats outside vs inside it's night and day. 

The last time we gave up two high picks for a QB was Kyle Boller. Yikes. I am glad this was a deal that never got made. If it would have been a 1st and a 3rd or 4th that would have been okay, but not a first and a second and then another second in the next year, that's just way too much.

Part of the reason the Ravens were so high on Flacco is that he played at Delaware which has pretty much the same weather as Baltimore does in the winter. When they went to scout him it was a rainy, cold, blustery day and Flacco's ball was pretty much unaffected. This showed that he could play in our elements.

Who knows, if we would have gotten Ryan than perhaps we never see that second Super Bowl trophy? I think Ryan is a good QB, but who knows what the team would have been like around him. In some alternate universe out there, Matt Ryan is the starting QB for the Ravens...would be fun to take a peak.

[BmoreBird22]

20 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Part of the reason the Ravens were so high on Flacco is that he played at Delaware which has pretty much the same weather as Baltimore does in the winter. When they went to scout him it was a rainy, cold, blustery day and Flacco's ball was pretty much unaffected. This showed that he could play in our elements.

Ryan played at BC, so not the best weather in the world, and he led an absurd comeback against VT in pouring rain. He can play in elements

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, OUravensfan said:

That fumble was way in our territory to be fair. Flacco probably has another TD this game if Torrey Smith isn't held, also who the hell knows what happens without the power outage.

Let us have the one small benefit of the Patriots winning lol, we can always tell Falcons fans that Flacco wouldn't have fumbled or taken that sack.

That Torrey Smith hold killed me. It ate me on the inside because Torrey Smith is running under it for his 12th TD with 0 interceptions and that's an NFL record. I was livid for that.

I don't know, he may have fumbled with how bad of a pass blocker Rice was...

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, Purple_City39 said:

2011 Divisional round against Houston.  They manhandled our o-line.  Joe didn't light the world up, but I don't recall any turnovers and he had a solid 2 TDs.  The Patriots game after featured a ton of pressure also as Wilfork abused Grubbs, Birk, and Yanda all first half.  Can't say if either were or weren't at 60% though.  I just remember thinking "wow, Joe is getting massacred out there"

Both Flacco's TD's were well inside the Texans territory (one on the 5), so he just took advantage of what the defense gave him. The real story was the defense and their four turnovers. 

A lot of Texans fans believe they'd have won if TJ Yates weren't their starter because Flacco wasn't anything more than a game manager and they don't think those turnovers happen with a first string quarterback in (this was pre-turnover machine Schaub).

[trevorsteadman]

1 hour ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

The last time we gave up two high picks for a QB was Kyle Boller. Yikes. I am glad this was a deal that never got made. If it would have been a 1st and a 3rd or 4th that would have been okay, but not a first and a second and then another second in the next year, that's just way too much.

Part of the reason the Ravens were so high on Flacco is that he played at Delaware which has pretty much the same weather as Baltimore does in the winter. When they went to scout him it was a rainy, cold, blustery day and Flacco's ball was pretty much unaffected. This showed that he could play in our elements.

Who knows, if we would have gotten Ryan than perhaps we never see that second Super Bowl trophy? I think Ryan is a good QB, but who knows what the team would have been like around him. In some alternate universe out there, Matt Ryan is the starting QB for the Ravens...would be fun to take a peak.

We definitely wouldn't of seen a second super bowl. Flacco put the team on his shoulders, Ray Rice's talent probably would've never been found at the RB position, and only he could make the 4th and 27 play to save the season, and Paul Kruger broke out that year with injuries. 

[GhostofGrbac]

3 hours ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Think I read a correction that it was that years 1st and 2nd and we offered that years 3rd or 4th and they covered with 2009 2nd also, and that's when we said no. So essentially, Joe, Rice, Gooden and Kruger.

Which TBH I still wouldn't switch for, I just don't think Ryan would hold up in our division. If you look at PFF and his career stats outside vs inside it's night and day. 

 It was our 2008 1st, 2nd, 4th and 2009 3rd according to Peter King who reported on this years ago. 

Not exactly our entire draft like Rapoport suggested. That's not an awful trade, but I'm still glad the Rams didn't accept it. That's 2 big pieces in our Super Bowl run (Rice, Kruger) that we wouldn't have with Ryan. 

Edited February 7 by GhostofGrbac

[jimmypowder]

Matty choke would never win in Foxboro in January and would have never won the Mile High Denver game

in single digit weather. 

Matty Ice melts in cold weather and is a choke artist. 

 

Who takes a sack to put you out of field goal position ? A rookie QB. 

 

 

[mdrsharon]

Sadly, I felt like I was watching a Ravens fourth quarter.

Falcons had the game, but you cannot let Brady/Belicek have their way at the end of the game. We are pretty good at the 2 minute drill , but lately just not getting it done. Cannot let primo QBs get downfield to score, they will do it and win.

With all that, I still think Joe is the better QB. Imagine what he could do with a guys like Julio , Sunu , or even a couple of great O line guys. That would open up some holes to let the Dixon/West team do something for our running game.

Hope we get some good pieces of the puzzle solved in the draft.

[flynismo]

On 2/5/2017 at 10:04 PM, Ravensdoordie said:

Wow... Glad we didn't take RYAN now... What a super choke he is...

to be up by 21 points and to play like he is at the end of the game is 

unbelievable and all on him...and he shows nothing...

no wonder he isn't elite.... What a joke he is.

Ah, don't be so hard on him. Not everyone can be Flacco at crunch time.

[flynismo]

Just now, mdrsharon said:

Sadly, I felt like I was watching a Ravens fourth quarter

Nope. A Ravens fourth quarter means that one side of the ball collapses while the other plays great. Rarely do they both collapse like ATL did.

[flynismo]

12 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

No! We gotta kick his behind before he leaves for good lol

Exactly. I want us to be the reason he is forced into retirement.

[BmoreBird22]

The thing is, the Falcons actually moved the ball at about the same rate in terms of yardage. Ryan also put the Falcons in field goal range twice in the fourth. Can't remember the first time, but I know for the second time, suspect play calling pushed the Falcons out of field goal range.

The big difference is that the Patriots didn't turn the ball over in the fourth, equaled their yardage output, and were able to convert trips to Falcons territory in points.

Yes, you read that right. The Patriots got as many yards in the fourth as they had in the first three quarters. They also clearly put up significantly more points.

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Nope. A Ravens fourth quarter means that one side of the ball collapses while the other plays great. Rarely do they both collapse like ATL did.

I really question Shanahan's play calling in the second half. It didn't make sense in the second half.

[flynismo]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

I really question Shanahan's play calling in the second half. It didn't make sense in the second half.

That's being polite about it. I have some very colorful opinions on it that I'd be best to keep to myself.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

That's being polite about it. I have some very colorful opinions on it that I'd be best to keep to myself.

We've all pretty well hashed it, but for the life of me, I do not understand two pass calls in a row (especially after a sack) when a field goal probably seals it. I really don't get it.

If that were the Ravens, we'd all be thrashing Marty, not Joe (and rightfully so). That's one thing I want to point out.

Edited February 7 by BmoreBird22

[flynismo]

17 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

I just read this on Pro Football Rumors as well and I can't believe the Ravens would have been stupid enough to do that trade. The last time somebody traded their entire draft to get one player was Mike Ditka of then the Saints to get Ricky Williams. That move set that franchise back for years and cost Mike Ditka his career.

I think Matt Ryan is a good QB. He probably would have done pretty well in Baltimore given all the same pieces. The Ravens got Ray Rice in the second round in that same draft and some names that are easy to forget because they never amounted to much. They did add Tom Zbikowski and Haruki Nakamura who were very good back up safeties and special team players for us for a number of years.

Well, you have to keep in mind that back in early 2008, Ryan had already been enshrined in the HOF. Kind of the way Luck is already in the HOF.

To be honest, yes, we can say that would have been idiotic of us, but on the other hand, I thought Ryan was going to be a bust (and Flacco the best QB in the class -- yes, I thought these things BEFORE the draft). Point is, it's all opinion. If you feel that strongly about a guy, especially one who was as "pro ready" as Ryan was and we were in win now mode, you do what it takes to get him...within reason.

[flynismo]

9 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

We've all pretty well hashed it, but for the life of me, I do not understand two pass calls in a row (especially after a sack) when a field goal probably seals it. I really don't get it.

If that were the Ravens, we'd all be thrashing Marty, not Joe (and rightfully so). That's one thing I want to point out.

I bet Pete Carroll was happy to see those play calls haha...take some of the attention away from him for most idiotic OC blunders in SB history. I mean seriously, you have Freeman and Coleman, you need to piss away some clock and you are already in FG range that would seal the win...hey, lets throw the ball!

Edited February 8 by flynismo