Ravens were about to give entire 2008 draft for Ryan

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, Swift 1 said:

And on that fumble. I don't think he felt the pressure until he asked somebody if they got the tag number of the truck that hit him when he wasn't looking.

Devonta Freeman missed the block on Hightower. I think Ryan put faith in his man to not allow a free rusher.

[AsianRice]

In hindsight, it is a very bad idea to take Ryan; however, Ryan was top pick in 2008 and I don't blame the Ravens went hard on him that time.  We didn't know Joe turns out to be a playoff machine and season mediocre and Ryan went the opposite way.

 

Ryan has been choking all his career and SB performance is no difference....

 

Joe is playing well under pressure but atrocious when there is no urgency....

 

We should have a much better O-line this year and we will do well offensively in September.....

[jimmypowder]

11 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

Don't think he ever beats new England in Boston in January personally. Not many have and flacco has been a huge reason we've been able to, so has rice. 

I completely agree. I don't think Matty ever wins in New England in a playoff game. 

[jimmypowder]

If Joe had the offensive weapons that Matty Choke had, he would have beaten the Patriots yesterday. 

 

 

[Tru11]

34 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

If Joe had the offensive weapons that Matty Choke had, he would have beaten the Patriots yesterday. 

 

 

ryan with all his weapons was under pressure 60 % of the time when dropping back to pass.

flacco is 1 of the worst QBs in the league when under pressure.

gl trying to put these 2 pieces of info together.

 

[Deflated Football]

If y'all are going to say that Ryan choked away the game last night, which he didn't, at least say that Flacco choked the game away against the Patriots with two 14 point leads and throwing a pair of interceptions, but nah, Flacco for president because of what he did four years ago. At least Ryan can read defenses at this point of his career. 

[redrum52]

6 hours ago, Purple_City39 said:

As an Atlanta resident, let me tell you that these fans are pissed off or depressed right now.  Sports radio still calls it the best Falcons season ever (which is sad if you think about it.  Best season ever features the worst superbowl collapse in history).  Someone's actually talking about it right now in the hall way and you can hear the sadness in his voice

...our offense damn near did the same thing vs the Niners.  They managed all of 6 points the 2nd half.

 

There's 2 playoff games I feel that are comparable.  Divisional vs Pats and vs Steelers.  Just know I didn't even get of that Steelers game til the we knocked them out the playoffs combined with having a SB at that time and the Pats loss still stinks cause that was a wasted opportunity.  This could sit with the Falcons til Ryan to retires if he never wins one.

[omar586]

first of all its a team game, ryan didn't choke, if anything its the playcalling, strip &sack isn't his fault

 

2nd, last night's game proved how important the run game is, had falcons ran the ball a little more, it would have end better for them. they were running effectively,

 

3rd, they snapped the ball way too early left a lot of time on the clock.

 

[RavensDieHard21]

17 hours ago, AsianRice said:

I never once thought the game was over when the Falcons lead by 3 TDs; I had a feeling it's a setup for the Pats to make the first team to ever come back and win with 3TD deficit in SB history...

I've never heard that the NFL is rigged more than after this SB. I almost believe it. The comeback almost seem staged. The Falcons just played dead and they were in FG range twice in the 4th, but opted to throw instead of kill clock and kick the FG? 

[RavensDieHard21]

Btw, this was the biggest single game choke in history. 

[Wildabeast88]

14 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I am just thanking God we aren't the Falcons tonight! That team and its fan base must be devastated beyond recognition tonight. In a way, the entire football world is devastated too, not because the Falcons lost (who really cares?), but because the dang Patriots won their 5th SB under Brady/Belichick! Unbelievable how they figure out a way to win all these games man! Is Brady that good? Perhaps he is! Is Belichick that good? Perhaps he is too! Are the Pats the best team of the past 50 yrs? How can you argue with the metrics? I'm just hopeful, the Ravens don't suffer the same fate as the Falcons did in any SB should we be fortunate enough to reach it.

Even though they repeatedly used the illegal pick over and over that's only illegal for 31 teams. Seriously though I called about 6 plays that the Patriots ran can I get a D coordinator gig the Pats are predictable and even I could see it but oh well. Can't and the Pats

[gtalk12]

2 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

If y'all are going to say that Ryan choked away the game last night, which he didn't, at least say that Flacco choked the game away against the Patriots with two 14 point leads and throwing a pair of interceptions, but nah, Flacco for president because of what he did four years ago. At least Ryan can read defenses at this point of his career. 

 

Flacco thows 4 TDS, everyone knows the reason we lost that game was bc of injuries to our secondary.....Ryan did nothing in the 2nd half....If the Flacons were going to win it was going to have to be through their high scoring offense.....2 TDs from Ryan was not going to cut it

[gtalk12]

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I've never heard that the NFL is rigged more than after this SB. I almost believe it. The comeback almost seem staged. The Falcons just played dead and they were in FG range twice in the 4th, but opted to throw instead of kill clock and kick the FG? 

They gave it to their MVP to make a play, and look at the turn out

[gtalk12]

2 hours ago, redrum52 said:

...our offense damn near did the same thing vs the Niners.  They managed all of 6 points the 2nd half.

 

There's 2 playoff games I feel that are comparable.  Divisional vs Pats and vs Steelers.  Just know I didn't even get of that Steelers game til the we knocked them out the playoffs combined with having a SB at that time and the Pats loss still stinks cause that was a wasted opportunity.  This could sit with the Falcons til Ryan to retires if he never wins one.

 

our offense also managed to move the chains in the second half. Remember all those big thows to Boldin? On top of that we get the luckiest halftime performance by having the lights shut off.

[BmoreBird22]

11 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

 

Flacco thows 4 TDS, everyone knows the reason we lost that game was bc of injuries to our secondary.....Ryan did nothing in the 2nd half....If the Flacons were going to win it was going to have to be through their high scoring offense.....2 TDs from Ryan was not going to cut it

He led a TD drive in the second half and put them at the 22 before Shanahan called two pretty inexcusable pass plays.

Flacco only led the Ravens to 10 points and threw two interceptions in the second half.

[Wildabeast88]

2 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

If y'all are going to say that Ryan choked away the game last night, which he didn't, at least say that Flacco choked the game away against the Patriots with two 14 point leads and throwing a pair of interceptions, but nah, Flacco for president because of what he did four years ago. At least Ryan can read defenses at this point of his career. 

If he could read a blitz they win. Ryan has had superior talent around him and can do nothing with it. Look at the stats Flacco outplays Brady. Does the name Rashaan Melvin mean anything to you enough said. Joe forced one throw at the end or regulation. He also had Brady beat in the 11 AFCCG until Evans and Cundiff wet the bed.

[gtalk12]

14 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He led a TD drive in the second half and put them at the 22 before Shanahan called two pretty inexcusable pass plays.

Flacco only led the Ravens to 10 points and threw two interceptions in the second half.

 

Flacco and the offense put us up by 14 twice that game. That was until the defense completely was massacred, Brady attacked one side of the field....they even threw in a WR throw for a TD.........

[gtalk12]

3 hours ago, Tru11 said:

ryan with all his weapons was under pressure 60 % of the time when dropping back to pass.

flacco is 1 of the worst QBs in the league when under pressure.

gl trying to put these 2 pieces of info together.

 

 

when it comes to Flacco, no regular season stat applies to him. We have the rarest of all QB's who only comes out in the playoffs....smh not saying I like it, but when have we ever seen a guy be completely 2 different people?

[-Truth-]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He led a TD drive in the second half and put them at the 22 before Shanahan called two pretty inexcusable pass plays.

Flacco only led the Ravens to 10 points and threw two interceptions in the second half.

A long passing play on 3rd down; the ball is within the opponent's 25 yard line. It's 2nd down, you're in FG range and there's only 3:56 remaining, and you have one of the most accurate kickers in the league who's booted it from 59 yards a little over a handful of games prior. Your top-tier RT is out of the game as of a few plays ago. And you pass the ball. Somebody should've shown them our ending against the Eagles before choosing to ignore situational football. Even if your rushing attempts end nowhere, they likely have to burn their time outs and you settle for a 40 FG attempt which essentially seals the game. Mind-boggling.

[gtalk12]

3 minutes ago, -Truth- said:

A long passing play on 3rd down; the ball is within the opponent's 25 yard line. It's 2nd down, you're in FG range and there's only 3:56 remaining, and you have one of the most accurate kickers in the league who's booted it from 59 yards a little over a handful of games prior. Your top-tier RT is out of the game as of a few plays ago. And you pass the ball. Somebody should've shown them our ending against the Eagles before choosing to ignore situational football. Even if your rushing attempts end nowhere, they likely have to burn their time outs and you settle for a 40 FG attempt which essentially seals the game. Mind-boggling.

 

they decided to live and die at the hands of their MVP. Can't say I blame though, all though that sack he took really messed up everything. I was shocked by how many 3 and outs there were in the second half.

[allblackraven]

5 minutes ago, -Truth- said:

A long passing play on 3rd down; the ball is within the opponent's 25 yard line. It's 2nd down, you're in FG range and there's only 3:56 remaining, and you have one of the most accurate kickers in the league who's booted it from 59 yards a little over a handful of games prior. Your top-tier RT is out of the game as of a few plays ago. And you pass the ball. Somebody should've shown them our ending against the Eagles before choosing to ignore situational football. Even if your rushing attempts end nowhere, they likely have to burn their time outs and you settle for a 40 FG attempt which essentially seals the game. Mind-boggling.

That drive felt like happening in another universe, where reverse logic rules.

[-Truth-]

Just now, allblackraven said:

That drive felt like happening in another universe, where reverse logic rules.

I'm with you.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

It just occurred to me that although with different degrees both of these teams could have beaten the patriots if they had RUN THE DAMN BALL. Freeman was balling for most of the game. 

 

I mean.... wow.

[Tru11]

11 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

 

when it comes to Flacco, no regular season stat applies to him. We have the rarest of all QB's who only comes out in the playoffs....smh not saying I like it, but when have we ever seen a guy be completely 2 different people?

i cant think of 1 play off game where flacco was pressured over 60% of the time and played great.

probably because he usually has good protection when we make the play offs.

 

[-Truth-]

3 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

 

they decided to live and die at the hands of their MVP. Can't say I blame though, all though that sack he took really messed up everything. I was shocked by how many 3 and outs there were in the second half.

Fair call on the three second half three-and-outs. The first could be excused given that they had an hour's time between possessions, but they weren't as hot down the stretch. That being said, passing the ball on the aforementioned play an outright silly decision. It doesn't matter who's at the helm. Your QB's under pressure on 60% of his snaps, you've just lost your best lineman in Schraeder, so that figure certainly won't improve. You lose Tevin Coleman, but you still have Davonte Freeman in the backfield and your running game is averaging 5.8 yards per play. The worst part is that they weren't forced have to live-and-die by anything. They could've knelt the ball and took their chances on Matt Bryant sinking a 40 yard field goal, a range where he went 9 for 9 on the season. We essentially made the same bold move during the Eagles game and the blame shifted on the play-calling despite the interception, and understandably so. Neither situation required passing the ball and it wouldn't be impartial to judge them differently. If there was a, "Congratulations, you played yourself," moment in the entire season, nothing beats that decision.

[gtalk12]

5 minutes ago, -Truth- said:

Fair call on the three second half three-and-outs. The first could be excused given that they had an hour's time between possessions, but they weren't as hot down the stretch. That being said, passing the ball on the aforementioned play an outright silly decision. It doesn't matter who's at the helm. Your QB's under pressure on 60% of his snaps, you've just lost your best lineman in Schraeder, so that figure certainly won't improve. You lose Tevin Coleman, but you still have Davonte Freeman in the backfield and your running game is averaging 5.8 yards per play. The worst part is that they weren't forced have to live-and-die by anything. They could've knelt the ball and took their chances on Matt Bryant sinking a 40 yard field goal, a range where he went 9 for 9 on the season. We essentially made the same bold move during the Eagles game and the blame shifted on the play-calling despite the interception, and understandably so. Neither situation required passing the ball and it wouldn't be impartial to judge them differently. If there was a, "Congratulations, you played yourself," moment in the entire season, nothing beats that decision.

 

I did not understand the play calling, in my opinion he was not playing the way you had hoped to leave it in his hands. They should have stayed with the ground attack and run play action....give their defense a chance to rest a bit

[Davesta]

35 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

 

when it comes to Flacco, no regular season stat applies to him. We have the rarest of all QB's who only comes out in the playoffs....smh not saying I like it, but when have we ever seen a guy be completely 2 different people?

But it does take regular season wins to get to the playoffs. Something we missed 3 out of the last 4 seasons. Not saying Ryan is superior over flacco,  but we seem to play down to the level of competition, not blowing out weak teams like we should. Some of that does fall to flacco. He's just too inconsistent.  

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, -Truth- said:

A long passing play on 3rd down; the ball is within the opponent's 25 yard line. It's 2nd down, you're in FG range and there's only 3:56 remaining, and you have one of the most accurate kickers in the league who's booted it from 59 yards a little over a handful of games prior. Your top-tier RT is out of the game as of a few plays ago. And you pass the ball. Somebody should've shown them our ending against the Eagles before choosing to ignore situational football. Even if your rushing attempts end nowhere, they likely have to burn their time outs and you settle for a 40 FG attempt which essentially seals the game. Mind-boggling.

Even a 13 year old playing Madden would be able to seal that game up with basic knowledge of clock management. 

 

27 minutes ago, Davesta said:

But it does take regular season wins to get to the playoffs. Something we missed 3 out of the last 4 seasons. Not saying Ryan is superior over flacco,  but we seem to play down to the level of competition, not blowing out weak teams like we should. Some of that does fall to flacco. He's just too inconsistent.  

At least he is consistent at that....

[OUravensfan]

9 hours ago, Purple_City39 said:

Yeah, but that's why I added "that offense".  The Ravens had momentum drained thanks to a long power outage as well.  But in terms of the teams:

Atlanta's run game averaged 5.7ypc last night vs the Ravens' 2.6ypc.  Matt got more help without a doubt on this end.

Boldin was great for that superbowl run, but he was no Julio Jones in terms of ability (and didn't draw consistent double teams).  The rest of Atlanta's WRs greatly outplayed the rest of Baltimore's in their respective superbowls as well.

I just can't see Joe being the Falcons QB last night and not winning the game.  Joe's best games are when the running game is thriving

I agree, week 1 in 2015 Flacco led a should of been game winning Drive against the #1 defense that was in his face all game long. I'd love to see Flacco be able to zip it to a Julio Jones.

Mile high miracle I wouldn't call a clean pocket, TD to Torrey Smith vs Pitt in the playoffs was not ample time, TD to Derrick Mason and game winning throw to Todd Heap his rookie year vs the #1 defense in the playoffs.

 

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, -Truth- said:

A long passing play on 3rd down; the ball is within the opponent's 25 yard line. It's 2nd down, you're in FG range and there's only 3:56 remaining, and you have one of the most accurate kickers in the league who's booted it from 59 yards a little over a handful of games prior. Your top-tier RT is out of the game as of a few plays ago. And you pass the ball. Somebody should've shown them our ending against the Eagles before choosing to ignore situational football. Even if your rushing attempts end nowhere, they likely have to burn their time outs and you settle for a 40 FG attempt which essentially seals the game. Mind-boggling.

I didn't have the biggest issue with the play call that led to the sack. I thought they should have just ran the ball, but the sack still keeps them in field goal range and maybe a pass puts the game supremely out of reach by setting up a touchdown. It's the Super Bowl; I understand taking a chance. Fine.

Although, I will say- why were you setting up in shotgun and running a deep drop? Why not run under center and throw a quick pass (even if it's well defended, there's always the checkdown).

My bigger issue is that they passed AGAIN. That blew my mind because it's then 3rd and 23. The Patriots are likely to concede four or five yards, if not more, and make it a field goal inside 50 yards and chew up clock.

I really have no idea why Shanahan wanted to pass it again. Blows my mind.

Edited February 7 by BmoreBird22