Ravens were about to give entire 2008 draft for Ryan

[AsianRice]

3 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

The Falcons blowing a 25 point lead isn't Ryan's fault..... But

 

Rings: 

 

Flacco:1

Ryan:0

 

Matt Ryan's Number is 2, Joe Flacco's number is 5. If you put two and five next to each other the number 25 is created. Joe Flacco has 1 super bowl ring. 25*1 is STILL 25....

 

The Falcons blew a 25 point lead. Never forget. 

lol....good one...

[Tru11]

45 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

The Falcons blowing a 25 point lead isn't Ryan's fault..... But

 

Rings: 

 

Flacco:1

Ryan:0

 

Matt Ryan's Number is 2, Joe Flacco's number is 5. If you put two and five next to each other the number 25 is created. Joe Flacco has 1 super bowl ring. 25*1 is STILL 25....

 

The Falcons blew a 25 point lead. Never forget. 

take my upvote

Edited February 6 by Tru11

[ellicottraven]

I am just thanking God we aren't the Falcons tonight! That team and its fan base must be devastated beyond recognition tonight. In a way, the entire football world is devastated too, not because the Falcons lost (who really cares?), but because the dang Patriots won their 5th SB under Brady/Belichick! Unbelievable how they figure out a way to win all these games man! Is Brady that good? Perhaps he is! Is Belichick that good? Perhaps he is too! Are the Pats the best team of the past 50 yrs? How can you argue with the metrics? I'm just hopeful, the Ravens don't suffer the same fate as the Falcons did in any SB should we be fortunate enough to reach it.

[arnie_uk]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Tough to really say if that trade would be totally worth it because you give up Ray Rice at that point. Rice and the defense were a huge factor for the success of Joe early. However, Ryan would have had a vastly better offensive line in Baltimore and he's a vastly more accurate passer. He dealt with subpar offensive lines for several years in Atlanta and had below average run games. 

I think the Ravens could have been more successful, but I don't believe for a second that they'd be less successful.

Don't think he ever beats new England in Boston in January personally. Not many have and flacco has been a huge reason we've been able to, so has rice. 

[redrum52]

10 hours ago, playlikeawhat said:

History shows Joe was the better choice.  Any evidence suggest Ryan even sniffs the playoffs with Joe's career receiving talent?  One could assume yes.  One could also assume Joe has multiple rings with Roddy White/Julio Jones-quality receivers throughout his career.  Who knows?

They didn't have Julio, but we'd probably be crying about the weapons Joe has in Atlanta with all the ammo we gave em... Also means no Rice.

[redrum52]

5 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I am just thanking God we aren't the Falcons tonight! That team and its fan base must be devastated beyond recognition tonight. In a way, the entire football world is devastated too, not because the Falcons lost (who really cares?), but because the dang Patriots won their 5th SB under Brady/Belichick! Unbelievable how they figure out a way to win all these games man! Is Brady that good? Perhaps he is! Is Belichick that good? Perhaps he is too! Are the Pats the best team of the past 50 yrs? How can you argue with the metrics? I'm just hopeful, the Ravens don't suffer the same fate as the Falcons did in any SB should we be fortunate enough to reach it.

This makes the 2 14 point leads look like nothing.  The Warriors let out a sigh of relief after this choke job.

 

I also like being the only team to really handle the Patriots TWICE in the playoffs.  The two times they've won, "we let em off the hook."  The times we've won, we've been DOMINANT.  If only it accounted for more rings...

Edited February 6 by redrum52

[ellicottraven]

1 hour ago, redrum52 said:

This makes the 2 14 point leads look like nothing.  The Warriors let out a sigh of relief after this choke job.

 

I also like being the only team to really handle the Patriots TWICE in the playoffs.  The two times they've won, "we let em off the hook."  The times we've won, we've been DOMINANT.  If only it accounted for more rings...

Well grudging respect to the Patriots. They're the most dominating team certainly in the AFC and I also like the fact that they dominate every other team than the Ravens! Technically that makes us the perennial Silver medalist in the AFC and yet we miss the playoffs 3 of 4 yrs!

[OUravensfan]

Still can't believe Atlanta blew it, their fanbase deserves to be trolled right now, they let evil prevail. Kraft was classless in his speech, same with NE fans, everyone's fault but their own. I'm just greatful we are not Falcon fans.

[Purple_City39]

8 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

We all love to say that all Joe needs is an offensive line and he'll be good. Well, Ryan got all the weapons, but absolutely no offensive line. It was a very similar situation to what is going on in Indy right now. 

And as far as Turner goes, he had one really great season and some good seasons, but the Falcons never had the one-two punch the Ravens always had (McGahee, McClain, Williams, Pierce), so even if Turner is rushing for 80 YPG, that's about all the Falcons were rushing for. Plus, Rice was always a vastly better receiver who could actually split out and make catches. Turner was good for MAYBE a catch a game and really had no versatility to be a great receiving threat that would command respect from defenses.

Freeman and Coleman are now the best duo in the league, but they've been it for one year. So, one year out of nine. One really good year of Turner, so two years out of nine where the running game was really a major driving force in the Falcons success.

If you're comparing the run games of the two teams since the 08 draft, it's worth noting that Atlanta had a better rushing attack in 4 of those seasons (2008, 2010, 2015, and 2016).  Now, whereas that does give Flacco the lead with 5 years of having a better rush attack, one of those 5 years was 2013 where we all know that rush offense was pure trash.  We beat out Atlanta in yards per game, but they had the better ypc (3.1 vs 3.9) and more rushing TDs (7 vs 11) so I'd really call that a wash as both rushing offenses were....offensive.  So they both sit at 4 out of 9 seasons with a run attack worth mentioning that was better than the other's. 

In terms of any debates between the two, it really comes down to one thing to me.  I feel both would have still made the playoffs a bunch of times if they had swapped teams, but I still think Joe would have played better in the playoffs (I'd assume nobody thinks he'd do worse, performance wise, with all the Falcons talent over the years).  And I just can't see Joe losing yesterday with that offense.  I can't see Joe being unable to lead that offense to more than 1 score in the entire second half, not while having a WR make circus catches and another that was breaking ankles on the field as if this was the NBA.

[Purple_City39]

Just now, OUravensfan said:

Still can't believe Atlanta blew it, their fanbase deserves to be trolled right now, they let evil prevail. Kraft was classless in his speech, same with NE fans, everyone's fault but their own. I'm just greatful we are not Falcon fans.

As an Atlanta resident, let me tell you that these fans are pissed off or depressed right now.  Sports radio still calls it the best Falcons season ever (which is sad if you think about it.  Best season ever features the worst superbowl collapse in history).  Someone's actually talking about it right now in the hall way and you can hear the sadness in his voice

[OUravensfan]

5 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

As an Atlanta resident, let me tell you that these fans are pissed off or depressed right now.  Sports radio still calls it the best Falcons season ever (which is sad if you think about it.  Best season ever features the worst superbowl collapse in history).  Someone's actually talking about it right now in the hall way and you can hear the sadness in his voice

I can only imagine, it's hard not to blame their head coach when you give up a 25 point lead in the super bowl. 

It really sucks, every Patriot fan I know is bandwagon and don't deserve the constant success they get.

[Drew P]

The Falcons usually choke the season away around game 8, this year they prolonged it a bit huh

[OUravensfan]

Love the missed chop block right before the DPI to win the game , classic Patriots 

 

 

Edited February 6 by OUravensfan

[BmoreBird22]

38 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

I can't see Joe being unable to lead that offense to more than 1 score in the entire second half, not while having a WR make circus catches and another that was breaking ankles on the field as if this was the NBA.

Joe led the Ravens to six points in the second half (1 less than Ryan) as the Ravens held a 28-6 lead. This was so incredibly similar to the Ravens, expect the Ravens had a very experienced defense that was able to hold strong.

[jimmypowder]

Matty Ice takes a rookie sack to put them out of field goal position. 

I am glad we didn't get that bad deal for Matty Choke. 

And Matty has Julio Jones ,the type of receiver Joe could only dream about playing with. 

 

Edited February 6 by jimmypowder

[Purple_City39]

26 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Joe led the Ravens to six points in the second half (1 less than Ryan) as the Ravens held a 28-6 lead. This was so incredibly similar to the Ravens, expect the Ravens had a very experienced defense that was able to hold strong.

Yeah, but that's why I added "that offense".  The Ravens had momentum drained thanks to a long power outage as well.  But in terms of the teams:

Atlanta's run game averaged 5.7ypc last night vs the Ravens' 2.6ypc.  Matt got more help without a doubt on this end.

Boldin was great for that superbowl run, but he was no Julio Jones in terms of ability (and didn't draw consistent double teams).  The rest of Atlanta's WRs greatly outplayed the rest of Baltimore's in their respective superbowls as well.

I just can't see Joe being the Falcons QB last night and not winning the game.  Joe's best games are when the running game is thriving

[jimmypowder]

Can Tom Brady just retire now! 

[BmoreBird22]

15 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

Yeah, but that's why I added "that offense".  The Ravens had momentum drained thanks to a long power outage as well.  But in terms of the teams:

Atlanta's run game averaged 5.7ypc last night vs the Ravens' 2.6ypc.  Matt got more help without a doubt on this end.

Boldin was great for that superbowl run, but he was no Julio Jones in terms of ability (and didn't draw consistent double teams).  The rest of Atlanta's WRs greatly outplayed the rest of Baltimore's in their respective superbowls as well.

I just can't see Joe being the Falcons QB last night and not winning the game.  Joe's best games are when the running game is thriving

The Falcons offense was off the field for nearly 90 minutes until they got the ball back at half. That's a major blow to momentum.

The thing, as well, is that Matt Ryan had a really good game. He generally lead his team to great positioning on the field and put them in position to get points, before they shot themselves in the foot.

But Ryan was pressured on nearly 60% of his drop backs. You truly think Joe is going to play well under that much duress? Not a chance. Ryan was very special this year under pressure. Pretty sure Flacco was well below the league average.

[Purple_City39]

11 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The Falcons offense was off the field for nearly 90 minutes until they got the ball back at half. That's a major blow to momentum.

The thing, as well, is that Matt Ryan had a really good game. He generally lead his team to great positioning on the field and put them in position to get points, before they shot themselves in the foot.

But Ryan was pressured on nearly 60% of his drop backs. You truly think Joe is going to play well under that much duress? Not a chance. Ryan was very special this year under pressure. Pretty sure Flacco was well below the league average.

So we're giving Ryan and excuse because his defense scored a pick 6, thus giving New England another possession while down an additional TD?  That's no unexpected in game situations.  The power going out for 35 minutes after haf time is an unexpected situation

Where is that pressure stat?  I'm curious.  And yes, I think if Joe has that run game, and those WRs (name the last time Ravens WRs got open as often as the Falcons WRs did or made multiple catches like Julio) then yes, I think he'd have played very well under pressure as well.  Pressure sucks when your guys can't get open quickly.  Pressure matters less when they can.  It's not like Ryan was juking and stiff arming defenders.  He simply threw the ball to the open WR.

Edited February 6 by Purple_City39

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Purple_City39 said:

So we're giving Ryan and excuse because his defense scored a pick 6, thus giving New England another possession while down an additional TD?

Where is that pressure stat?  I'm curious.  And yes, I think if Joe has that run game, and those WRs (name the last time Ravens WRs got open as often as the Falcons WRs did or made multiple catches like Julio) then yes, I think he'd have played very well under pressure as well.  Pressure sucks when your guys can't get open quickly.  Pressure matters less when they can.  It's not like Ryan was juking and stiff arming defenders.  He simply threw the ball to the open WR.

Were they off the field for 90+ minutes with Alex Mack having a broken bone in his leg? Yes or no?

Matt Ryan was pressured on 16 of 28 drop backs in this game. I'll try to find the stat if I can, but pressure matters to every single quarterback. It doesn't matter if your guys can get open quickly or not if your main concern is making sure the 300 pound player barreling down on you isn't hitting you. Matt Ryan was the ONLY quarterback to not throw an interception under pressure. 

[Purple_City39]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

Were they off the field for 90+ minutes with Alex Mack having a broken bone in his leg? Yes or no?

Matt Ryan was pressured on 16 of 28 drop backs in this game. I'll try to find the stat if I can, but pressure matters to every single quarterback. It doesn't matter if your guys can get open quickly or not if your main concern is making sure the 300 pound player barreling down on you isn't hitting you. Matt Ryan was the ONLY quarterback to not throw an interception under pressure. 

Sure, yes.  How long was the Ravens offense off the field?

I'm going to disagree.  If your OC is calling up plays that have the QB throwing in 2 seconds, and WRs are getting open almost immediately, pressure won't bother QBs that much.  Again, Ryan isn't scrambling or buying time.  He's performing quick passes.  If Ryan hikes the ball, is looking right the whole two seconds and throws, never seeing the defender on the left who would have sacked him at 3-4 seconds, did the pressure bother him?

[BmoreBird22]

55 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

Sure, yes.  How long was the Ravens offense off the field?

I'm going to disagree.  If your OC is calling up plays that have the QB throwing in 2 seconds, and WRs are getting open almost immediately, pressure won't bother QBs that much.  Again, Ryan isn't scrambling or buying time.  He's performing quick passes.  If Ryan hikes the ball, is looking right the whole two seconds and throws, never seeing the defender on the left who would have sacked him at 3-4 seconds, did the pressure bother him?

Around the same amount of time.

Except, that's not how the Falcons offense works. The Falcons offense is one that operates largely on five and seven step drops and requires the quarterback to actually hold the ball far more. Ryan was just vastly better this year at navigating the pocket and making throws under pressure.

And pressure is pressure. It doesn't matter if the throw was designed to be quick if there's a player in your face. The quarterback more often than not is going to struggle, except Ryan really didn't.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

10 hours ago, Tru11 said:

take my upvote

Here's another. It was super bowl 51. The amount of rings joe Flacco has is 1. 51-1=50. Matt Ryan's number is 2. 50/2 =25.

 

The Falcons blew a 25 point  lead. Never forget. 

[usmccharles]

13 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Here's another. It was super bowl 51. The amount of rings joe Flacco has is 1. 51-1=50. Matt Ryan's number is 2. 50/2 =25.

 

The Falcons blew a 25 point  lead. Never forget. 

You've seen Number 23 too many times....

forget= 6 letters, 1 word.  6-1=5

 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, usmccharles said:

You've seen Number 23 too many times....

forget= 6 letters, 1 word.  6-1=5

 

Is that the really crappy Jim Carey movie?

seen it once

[usmccharles]

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Is that the really crappy Jim Carey movie?

seen it once

yep. 

 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

yep. 

 

God that movie is terrible. I draw no inspiration from it whatsoever

[Swift 1]

13 hours ago, law215 said:

When are these OCs are going to learn to run the ball in the 4th quarter. Every mistake the Falcons made was due to passing the football.  The fumble, The sack, the holding call. With Mike leaving, they may never make it back. SMH

Was it Mike that made those passing calls? 

[Swift 1]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Around the same amount of time.

Except, that's not how the Falcons offense works. The Falcons offense is one that operates largely on five and seven step drops and requires the quarterback to actually hold the ball far more. Ryan was just vastly better this year at navigating the pocket and making throws under pressure.

And pressure is pressure. It doesn't matter if the throw was designed to be quick if there's a player in your face. The quarterback more often than not is going to struggle, except Ryan really didn't.

Again I don't have the stats but I remember a lot out of the shotgun

 

[Swift 1]

And on that fumble. I don't think he felt the pressure until he asked somebody if they got the tag number of the truck that hit him when he wasn't looking.