[News] Iowa CB Desmond King Says Ravens Are A Perfect Fit

[sizzlingdoom]

  5 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  10 hours ago, The Beak said:

No No , only consider King in 4 or 5 round, this is the year to find Jimmy Smiths Partner for lockdown CB , Wilson or Tabor in Ist and Name to look for 3rd or 4th round-- Rasul Douglas (WV) 6'2" 204 A JSmith clone?

I disagree about King though. The guy is a stud. No way he lasts past pick 50 imo. I think he'll be taken well before that too

A 5'10 CB that can't keep up with speed receivers at senior bowl a 3rd rounder at best

We'll see. I don't think there's any way he last pasts our second pick

[Bilbo]

I think King would be an outstanding pick in Round 2.  I'd pencil him in at safety not CB.  I look for the Ravens to draft CB in Rd. 1 and would welcome King in Rd. 2 to solidify our future defensive backfield.  Not a chance in Rd. 1.

[Crusader]

  On Friday, February 03, 2017 at 7:28 PM, dirtybird66 said:

  On Friday, February 03, 2017 at 4:33 PM, reed20 said:

Could be available in the second. A lot of DBs in this draft.

your absolutely nuts,this dude is a baller and will go to pittsburg if we dont grab him

Seriously!!!!!!!! PItt would snatch him at 29 or 30 in a heartbeat. That would SUCK. It would be a guaranteed pick 6 a year vs us

Pitts needs a linebacker more than a CB.

[sizzlingdoom]

  5 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  12 hours ago, dirtybird66 said:

  15 hours ago, reed20 said:

Could be available in the second. A lot of DBs in this draft.

your absolutely nuts,this dude is a baller and will go to pittsburg if we dont grab him

Seriously!!!!!!!! PItt would snatch him at 29 or 30 in a heartbeat. That would SUCK. It would be a guaranteed pick 6 a year vs us

Pitts needs a linebacker more than a CB.

Doesn't mean they have to take one in the first. Though they might. King just shouts AFC North to me. I hope we get him over one of the other 3.

[sizzlingdoom]

I think people get carried away with general labels too. Such as first our second round talent, and so on. Right now a lot of media members are labeling King as a second round talent. That's just too broad to use in an argument/discussion. I'd be stoked if we picked at 16, and also traded back into the first round at about pick 28. To grab King, depending on how the first pick goes and the rest of the off season of course- a lot of things will happen before that. But if we took him at 28, that's only 5 picks from the "second round". There's a bunch of analyzing to do still before the draft of course. And I think quite a few of the current media opinions will change. Also, just bc a lot of media people think that now, doesn't mean it's so. One way to think about it is, say he didn't get picked in the first...When everyone is remaking/adjusting their boards for day 2 of the draft, I just have a hard time think King wouldn't be in the top 5 on plenty of boards. Probably number on some too....after 32 players are already picked. Just what I think

[whobilly]

We just need play makers because the Ravens can't even sell jerseys anymore ! The Sun reports 17 qbs in the top 50 jersey sales,but not Flacco ?

It was the same even when we won the Super Bowl. Tim Tebow was the #1 selling jersey at one time. Who Cares? I care about winning. Jersey buyers are band wagon jumpers for the most part.

[Crusader]

  On Saturday, February 04, 2017 at 8:17 AM, Crusader said:

  On Saturday, February 04, 2017 at 2:26 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

  On Friday, February 03, 2017 at 7:28 PM, dirtybird66 said:

  On Friday, February 03, 2017 at 4:33 PM, reed20 said:

Could be available in the second. A lot of DBs in this draft.

your absolutely nuts,this dude is a baller and will go to pittsburg if we dont grab him

Seriously!!!!!!!! PItt would snatch him at 29 or 30 in a heartbeat. That would SUCK. It would be a guaranteed pick 6 a year vs us

Pitts needs a linebacker more than a CB.

Doesn't mean they have to take one in the first. Though they might. King just shouts AFC North to me. I hope we get him over one of the other 3.

I like the way Malik Hooker plays. King got run down by MD,s QB. I just don't see speed in King and a big guy like that does not get faster with age.

[Maurice0094]

Since the Ravens need a upgrade from Webb why not replace him with CB that has actually ball skills and can tackle. The kid isn't afraid to stick his nose and he is a ball hawk. The Ravens need defensive playmakers in the short term he can play some CB while transitioning to safety.

[dirtybird66]

  23 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Would be a good fit for us. He's a zone coverage guy, rather than man coverage, and we play a ton of zone coverage. Smith-Tavon-King-Weddle-Webb nickle package looks pretty good. And our resident guru Mr. All-Universe GM/Scout/HC says he's Darrell Revis and we should take him the 1st Round.....lol

LOL. Now you put he's a good fit for us! On earlier posts you put he can't cover outside or in the slot and has to play safety! Now he's a good fit for us?? You truly are hilarious. And yes, I said "he IS Revis". funny how you change what I said. I said he reminds me of Revis, as in he has similar parts in his game. And I stand by that. I'm aware he's not as fast as Revis was. No player IS another player. lol. And yes I stand by trading back into the first round in the 20-30 range to grab him, after picking at 16 as well. I don't change my stance. This is what I've been saying for weeks. Anything else?

i'd say he be playing in PITTSBURG if we trade back

[dirtybird66]

heard people talk on here that DES KING is slow,ok,so JIMMY SMITH runs a 4.42 and DES KING runs a 4.43

[bigcatfrank1]

I like the idea of multi- positions and sure the Kid might be a great fit or he might be another Matt Elam. For a solution with a higher percentage of success to the Cornerback issue The Ravens need a definitive NFL CB not a project. One that is required to step in and be the strong side CB. Smith has proven himself unreliable at staying on the field, they will not let him go obviously if he is healthy enough to perform as a rule. However it was obvious this year, the minute he leaves the field the Ravens backfield changed drastically for the worse. There is no practical reason to repeat that same process. Get an experienced corner who can play at an equal level to Smith or Tavon or higher. Sure add this kid or 2 CB in the draft. I say, regrettably, get rid of everyone from last year except Smith and Young. But in my opinion, the Ravens must pay the money, get a CB with NFL experience and high talent in the area of covering pro-bowl WR receivers because that is who the Ravens contend with week after week. Its time to figure it out Oz and Eric, that's why you are there.

[Crusader]

heard people talk on here that DES KING is slow,ok,so JIMMY SMITH runs a 4.42 and DES KING runs a 4.43

And what you know now would you take either one as your first round? What you want to see is explosive quickness. If you take 5 yards to get to 15 mph and I take 10 yards to do the same mph who will win?

[TheConquerorWorm]

heard people talk on here that DES KING is slow,ok,so JIMMY SMITH runs a 4.42 and DES KING runs a 4.43

Funny how you take the fastest time for King but not for Jimmy. King runs consistently 4.5-4.6 (His slowest time was 4.63). Jimmy's fastest time was 4.32 (his slowest was 4.53). Jimmy actually ran a 4.49 at the combine, we'll see what King runs.

But 40 times are not a good measure for CB & cover-ability - look at the 20 yard shuttle & 3 cone drills. Marcus Peters had a 7.03 3-cone and a 4.08 20 yard shuttle (really good numbers). Jimmy Smith had a 6.93 3-cone and a 4.06 20 yard shuttle. These are the numbers the Ravens use more so than 40 times. Case in point - Tavon was the fastest CB in 20 yard shuttle (12th in 3 cone) last year. Canady & Chris Moore also were near the top.

King would make a great coverage Safety which is why I said he would be a good fit for the Ravens. He might make a decent CB in the right system but I wouldn't put him on an island and I sure wouldn't trade back up into the 1st Round to draft him....but I'm also not the All-Universe GM/Scout/HC like SD. Dance for me!

[dirtybird66]

  4 hours ago, dirtybird66 said:

heard people talk on here that DES KING is slow,ok,so JIMMY SMITH runs a 4.42 and DES KING runs a 4.43

Funny how you take the fastest time for King but not for Jimmy. King runs consistently 4.5-4.6 (His slowest time was 4.63). Jimmy's fastest time was 4.32 (his slowest was 4.53). Jimmy actually ran a 4.49 at the combine, we'll see what King runs.

But 40 times are not a good measure for CB & cover-ability - look at the 20 yard shuttle & 3 cone drills. Marcus Peters had a 7.03 3-cone and a 4.08 20 yard shuttle (really good numbers). Jimmy Smith had a 6.93 3-cone and a 4.06 20 yard shuttle. These are the numbers the Ravens use more so than 40 times. Case in point - Tavon was the fastest CB in 20 yard shuttle (12th in 3 cone) last year. Canady & Chris Moore also were near the top.

King would make a great coverage Safety which is why I said he would be a good fit for the Ravens. He might make a decent CB in the right system but I wouldn't put him on an island and I sure wouldn't trade back up into the 1st Round to draft him....but I'm also not the All-Universe GM/Scout/HC like SD. Dance for me!

yeah,i guess i just see him as being more physical and more durable,i dont think i gave J SMITHS slowest 40 but did give KING'S 40 just kinda showing he's not that far behind in speed,i heard he's another REVIS,well i like him and his projections are good as a pro,but i'm not real educated on players,i really would like to see us take a great corner,i feel we would of won more close games last year if we had a guy like RAMSEY.

[dirtybird66]

I like the idea of multi- positions and sure the Kid might be a great fit or he might be another Matt Elam. For a solution with a higher percentage of success to the Cornerback issue The Ravens need a definitive NFL CB not a project. One that is required to step in and be the strong side CB. Smith has proven himself unreliable at staying on the field, they will not let him go obviously if he is healthy enough to perform as a rule. However it was obvious this year, the minute he leaves the field the Ravens backfield changed drastically for the worse. There is no practical reason to repeat that same process. Get an experienced corner who can play at an equal level to Smith or Tavon or higher. Sure add this kid or 2 CB in the draft. I say, regrettably, get rid of everyone from last year except Smith and Young. But in my opinion, the Ravens must pay the money, get a CB with NFL experience and high talent in the area of covering pro-bowl WR receivers because that is who the Ravens contend with week after week. Its time to figure it out Oz and Eric, that's why you are there.

you saying get rid of WEDDLE?

[dirtybird66]

Since the Ravens need a upgrade from Webb why not replace him with CB that has actually ball skills and can tackle. The kid isn't afraid to stick his nose and he is a ball hawk. The Ravens need defensive playmakers in the short term he can play some CB while transitioning to safety.

i thought WEBB held his own pretty well last year,wasn't terrible

[dirtybird66]

i'm reading on corner rankings that with DES KINGS frame,he will be the best corner in run support,i'll take a little slower guy that can help out in many areas.

[Adreme]

3 hours ago, Crusader said:

And what you know now would you take either one as your first round? What you want to see is explosive quickness. If you take 5 yards to get to 15 mph and I take 10 yards to do the same mph who will win?

You better believe we draft Jimmy again with what we know now.  The only thing we better be only ones blessed with this clairvoyance or he wouldn't make it to us.

[jravens1313]

Tough time with speed WRs? The NFL is littered with that lol. I haven't watched him play enough to give an honest opinion though.

[sizzlingdoom]

  23 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  On 2/3/2017 at 0:20 PM, TheConquerorWorm said:

Would be a good fit for us. He's a zone coverage guy, rather than man coverage, and we play a ton of zone coverage. Smith-Tavon-King-Weddle-Webb nickle package looks pretty good. And our resident guru Mr. All-Universe GM/Scout/HC says he's Darrell Revis and we should take him the 1st Round.....lol

LOL. Now you put he's a good fit for us! On earlier posts you put he can't cover outside or in the slot and has to play safety! Now he's a good fit for us?? You truly are hilarious. And yes, I said "he IS Revis". funny how you change what I said. I said he reminds me of Revis, as in he has similar parts in his game. And I stand by that. I'm aware he's not as fast as Revis was. No player IS another player. lol. And yes I stand by trading back into the first round in the 20-30 range to grab him, after picking at 16 as well. I don't change my stance. This is what I've been saying for weeks. Anything else?

i'd say he be playing in PITTSBURG if we trade back

Sorry dirtybird66, that response was to the conquerorworm, not you

[#Nevermore]

I think King would be an outstanding pick in Round 2.  I'd pencil him in at safety not CB.  I look for the Ravens to draft CB in Rd. 1 and would welcome King in Rd. 2 to solidify our future defensive backfield.  Not a chance in Rd. 1.

I agree. When I looked at him on film, he looks like a safety. He doesn't look fast but we haven't gotten to the combine yet. He is all around the ball though. 2nd round would be great value.

[Ravens_Flock]

A ball-hawking corner to start opposite an injury-prone Smith? Sound good to me. In all honesty, we need to eventually move on from Jimmy altogether. He has shown flashes in his career, but he's honestly never been 100% consistent in a full healthy season, of which he's basically only had two. Injuries aren't his fault, but what it really boils down to is the fact that he just isn't reliable. We should never find ourselves in the position we have these last few years, where without him on the field, our secondary suddenly sucks. That's a massive lack of depth.

I think that Tavon Young looked really solid at times. But I also think he might be too small consistently go up against NFL WRs that many teams prefer to be 6'1" and taller. Young might do better in the slot. So IF we could somehow draft King, and IF Jimmy could actually stay healthy (hoping Young and King don't prove to be injury prone too, of course), we might actually have a sold corner group. Just get a decent #4 and #5 behind them, and we might actually be okay in the corner department for basically the first time since 2012.

As for Safeties? Yeah, we need to look for young safeties of tomorrow, too. I'm still disappointed that they never really gave Matt Elam enough of a shot at his natural position (SS), but I guess sadly it's time to move on from him, and restock with new talent.

[sizzlingdoom]

  22 hours ago, Bilbo said:

I think King would be an outstanding pick in Round 2.  I'd pencil him in at safety not CB.  I look for the Ravens to draft CB in Rd. 1 and would welcome King in Rd. 2 to solidify our future defensive backfield.  Not a chance in Rd. 1.

I agree. When I looked at him on film, he looks like a safety. He doesn't look fast but we haven't gotten to the combine yet. He is all around the ball though. 2nd round would be great value.

I can't really see Bellicheck and the Steelers passing on him at the end of the first.

[sizzlingdoom]

i'm reading on corner rankings that with DES KINGS frame,he will be the best corner in run support,i'll take a little slower guy that can help out in many areas.

definitely looks like the best run defending corner out of the top cbs to me. That's one of the parts of his game I was comparing to Revis. I remember watching Revis when he was young and he would shed wr blocks with ease and hardly ever miss a tackle, or even give up any yardage. His intelligence with the game ( foot placement, anticipation, being in the right position) is another thing I've seen with Revis. I think that played a huge part in his success over his career. They also both have also ball skills, instincts, and ball hawking ability

[sizzlingdoom]

  22 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  22 hours ago, Crusader said:

  On 2/3/2017 at 11:26 PM, sizzlingdoom said:

  On 2/3/2017 at 4:28 PM, dirtybird66 said:

  On 2/3/2017 at 1:33 PM, reed20 said:

Could be available in the second. A lot of DBs in this draft.

your absolutely nuts,this dude is a baller and will go to pittsburg if we dont grab him

Seriously!!!!!!!! PItt would snatch him at 29 or 30 in a heartbeat. That would SUCK. It would be a guaranteed pick 6 a year vs us

Pitts needs a linebacker more than a CB.

Doesn't mean they have to take one in the first. Though they might. King just shouts AFC North to me. I hope we get him over one of the other 3.

I like the way Malik Hooker plays. King got run down by MD,s QB. I just don't see speed in King and a big guy like that does not get faster with age.

I think Hooker would be awesome if we were able to get him somehow. As long as we took a corner in the second at the latest. Or signed Stephone Gilmore or Trumaine Johnson. I just hope we don't sign another middle/bottom tier corner thinking it will solve the problem. Especially an "interesting" and "affordable" example like Claiborne.

[bigcatfrank1]

  20 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

I like the idea of multi- positions and sure the Kid might be a great fit or he might be another Matt Elam. For a solution with a higher percentage of success to the Cornerback issue The Ravens need a definitive NFL CB not a project. One that is required to step in and be the strong side CB. Smith has proven himself unreliable at staying on the field, they will not let him go obviously if he is healthy enough to perform as a rule. However it was obvious this year, the minute he leaves the field the Ravens backfield changed drastically for the worse. There is no practical reason to repeat that same process. Get an experienced corner who can play at an equal level to Smith or Tavon or higher. Sure add this kid or 2 CB in the draft. I say, regrettably, get rid of everyone from last year except Smith and Young. But in my opinion, the Ravens must pay the money, get a CB with NFL experience and high talent in the area of covering pro-bowl WR receivers because that is who the Ravens contend with week after week. Its time to figure it out Oz and Eric, that's why you are there.

you saying get rid of WEDDLE?

No I was thinking Corner, as far as replacing all but Smith and Young. The Ravens must get a Corner in FA. However to be specific , Elam, Arrington, Powers, Lewis -Harris, Price and K. Lewis all can go. Sure The Ravens could pick up King as a S/DB and another CB, even 2 more in the Draft. At this point for financial and cohesive reasons keep S - Webb, Weddle, Huff and Levine. Then adding some young blood, decent FA moves and maybe some UFA's, I think will be the way to make the changes needed to push this backfield toward the top half of the NFL.

[dirtybird66]

  20 hours ago, dirtybird66 said:

  On 2/4/2017 at 4:03 PM, bigcatfrank1 said:

I like the idea of multi- positions and sure the Kid might be a great fit or he might be another Matt Elam. For a solution with a higher percentage of success to the Cornerback issue The Ravens need a definitive NFL CB not a project. One that is required to step in and be the strong side CB. Smith has proven himself unreliable at staying on the field, they will not let him go obviously if he is healthy enough to perform as a rule. However it was obvious this year, the minute he leaves the field the Ravens backfield changed drastically for the worse. There is no practical reason to repeat that same process. Get an experienced corner who can play at an equal level to Smith or Tavon or higher. Sure add this kid or 2 CB in the draft. I say, regrettably, get rid of everyone from last year except Smith and Young. But in my opinion, the Ravens must pay the money, get a CB with NFL experience and high talent in the area of covering pro-bowl WR receivers because that is who the Ravens contend with week after week. Its time to figure it out Oz and Eric, that's why you are there.

you saying get rid of WEDDLE?

No I was thinking Corner, as far as replacing all but Smith and Young. The Ravens must get a Corner in FA. However to be specific , Elam, Arrington, Powers, Lewis -Harris, Price and K. Lewis all can go. Sure The Ravens could pick up King as a S/DB and another CB, even 2 more in the Draft. At this point for financial and cohesive reasons keep S - Webb, Weddle, Huff and Levine. Then adding some young blood, decent FA moves and maybe some UFA's, I think will be the way to make the changes needed to push this backfield toward the top half of the NFL.

yeah,i thought WEBBIE didn't do terrible in his first year at safety.

[Crusader]

  On 2/4/2017 at 9:20 AM, Crusader said:

  On 2/4/2017 at 8:29 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

  On 2/4/2017 at 8:17 AM, Crusader said:

  On 2/4/2017 at 2:26 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

  On 2/3/2017 at 7:28 PM, dirtybird66 said:

  On 2/3/2017 at 4:33 PM, reed20 said:

Could be available in the second. A lot of DBs in this draft.

your absolutely nuts,this dude is a baller and will go to pittsburg if we dont grab him

Seriously!!!!!!!! PItt would snatch him at 29 or 30 in a heartbeat. That would SUCK. It would be a guaranteed pick 6 a year vs us

Pitts needs a linebacker more than a CB.

Doesn't mean they have to take one in the first. Though they might. King just shouts AFC North to me. I hope we get him over one of the other 3.

I like the way Malik Hooker plays. King got run down by MD,s QB. I just don't see speed in King and a big guy like that does not get faster with age.

I think Hooker would be awesome if we were able to get him somehow. As long as we took a corner in the second at the latest. Or signed Stephone Gilmore or Trumaine Johnson. I just hope we don't sign another middle/bottom tier corner thinking it will solve the problem. Especially an "interesting" and "affordable" example like Claiborne.

I think we got real good chance of getting a top corner. There are so many teams that need running-backs, Defense players, wide receivers, QB, and tight-ends as a primary need that they can't pass on them.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

On 2/4/2017 at 6:17 PM, TheConquerorWorm said:

Funny how you take the fastest time for King but not for Jimmy. King runs consistently 4.5-4.6 (His slowest time was 4.63). Jimmy's fastest time was 4.32 (his slowest was 4.53). Jimmy actually ran a 4.49 at the combine, we'll see what King runs.

But 40 times are not a good measure for CB & cover-ability - look at the 20 yard shuttle & 3 cone drills. Marcus Peters had a 7.03 3-cone and a 4.08 20 yard shuttle (really good numbers). Jimmy Smith had a 6.93 3-cone and a 4.06 20 yard shuttle. These are the numbers the Ravens use more so than 40 times. Case in point - Tavon was the fastest CB in 20 yard shuttle (12th in 3 cone) last year. Canady & Chris Moore also were near the top.

King would make a great coverage Safety which is why I said he would be a good fit for the Ravens. He might make a decent CB in the right system but I wouldn't put him on an island and I sure wouldn't trade back up into the 1st Round to draft him....but I'm also not the All-Universe GM/Scout/HC like SD. Dance for me!

Then there's the fact that Jimmy is also 6'2'' and 210lbs and plays "big." It took him some time to hit is stride and once he did he was playing like a #1 CB before the foot issue. He's never really been the same since and now he keeps getting hurt.

If I am drafting a CB in the first round, I don't want any questions or concerns about him. I don't want to have to wonder if he's tall enough or fast enough. If King as 6'1 or 6'2'' like Smith than maybe you can overlook a little down tick in speed.