[News] What Type Of Offensive Linemen Do Ravens Want?

[Derrel]

should have kept Osemele

[Derrel]

Bigger and more physical players are needed in the O line starting with the center position. Speed and size in the secondary.
Ozzie may get the big bucks but he has lost his touch when it comes to the draft. He needs to trade up and get the best player we actually need, not what he thinks is the best player on the board. The past 4-5 years have shown that plan just doesn't work. Look at all the WR's, TE's and DB's he has drafted. Except for 1 or 2 they are just second string at best.
Maybe Ozzie just needs to retire, hire NEW and BETTER scouts?????

meanwhile Pittsburgh has drafted a number of top line players to improve their team.

[RavenRampage]

  14 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

How about a good one? I mean...sometimes these questions answer themselves.

Couple of points here. First off, the Ravens don't really want to tip their hand before the draft because it "might" give other teams an idea of what type of lineman they'd pick in the draft and where they might be picking him.

First thing's first though. The Ravens have to figure out what type of team they are. This line proved time and time again with the running backs we have that we are not a stretch to the outside zone running team. This team ran the ball much better when Dixon and West were running North and South with Ducasse (known for always being a road grader and not much of a pass protector) in at RG.

We don't have that shifty/speedy scat back like Forsett anymore. I don't think the Ravens will draft a guy like that in the first round. I think they're looking for the next Jamal Lewis. A guy fast enough, but one that can pound the rock and is hard to bring down. If this is the case, we need some big uglies up front.

I know Yanda wants to go back to RG next season, but I think for the team he should move to LG. RG should either be Alex Lewis (or Lewis at RT if, and I think it is a strong possibility, Wagner walks via FA). I think it is much easier to find a plug and play road grader at RG than it is to find another good LG. Heck, we could put Ducasse back there again and see if some rookie/youngster can beat him for that spot.

I know many people probably don't know this guy or think much of him, but Matt Skura is a guy I think that could make some noise at C. Zuttah played through a lot of injuries last season and if healthy he's decent, but the Ravens better be looking for his replacement like...right now.

skura would need to put on some weight. he is listed at 294. birk was 315 and travis frederick from dallas is 318. zuttah is 305 but it shows against good nose tackles when he gets pushed back. zuttah is serviceable but i agree that we need to find his replacement soon

I'd be great if we could get Ethan Pocic out of LSU. He's 6'7", 315 lbs, and could play guard his rookie year then transition to center. Not sure where he's going to be drafted, but if we want to build a big, physical, offensive line, he'd be a great start.

[Purple Dawg 96]

The Ravens always find good O Linemen it's just when the Offense gets too predictable teams know when to jam things up and stop our momentum! This is the AFC North and a QB doesn't have the leisure time in the backfield to just stand there and throw strikes! Joe medical history is not the same as Big Bens so saying Joe doesn't have enough time is getting old as dirt!

[law215]

I think a new O-line coach is going to be the best thing the Ravens do this offseason. Ravens need a more physical offensive line. That will open up the run game and give Joe time. I think Roman will help with that.

[law215]

Williams, Wagner and Zuttah should go. We can draft a C/G, and pick up another in FA, and move Lewis to RT. Keep Hurst, Urschel and Jensen as backups. Ducasse was OK in run blocking, but a real liability against the pass.

I was feeling your comments until I read keep Hurst. Dude is a revolving door for D-linemen.

[Maurice0094]

I'm not sure if Zuttah will be back because of the money he is making. I'm not sure if Urshel is really the answer at center either. Alex Lewis might fit more at RT it would probably help him more if he has a future HOF in Yanda at RG helping him. The biggest concern is obviously who is gonna fill that LG spot since KO left.

[Azarial]

  13 hours ago, The Greek said:

  21 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

How about a good one? I mean...sometimes these questions answer themselves.

Couple of points here. First off, the Ravens don't really want to tip their hand before the draft because it "might" give other teams an idea of what type of lineman they'd pick in the draft and where they might be picking him.

First thing's first though. The Ravens have to figure out what type of team they are. This line proved time and time again with the running backs we have that we are not a stretch to the outside zone running team. This team ran the ball much better when Dixon and West were running North and South with Ducasse (known for always being a road grader and not much of a pass protector) in at RG.

We don't have that shifty/speedy scat back like Forsett anymore. I don't think the Ravens will draft a guy like that in the first round. I think they're looking for the next Jamal Lewis. A guy fast enough, but one that can pound the rock and is hard to bring down. If this is the case, we need some big uglies up front.

I know Yanda wants to go back to RG next season, but I think for the team he should move to LG. RG should either be Alex Lewis (or Lewis at RT if, and I think it is a strong possibility, Wagner walks via FA). I think it is much easier to find a plug and play road grader at RG than it is to find another good LG. Heck, we could put Ducasse back there again and see if some rookie/youngster can beat him for that spot.

I know many people probably don't know this guy or think much of him, but Matt Skura is a guy I think that could make some noise at C. Zuttah played through a lot of injuries last season and if healthy he's decent, but the Ravens better be looking for his replacement like...right now.

skura would need to put on some weight. he is listed at 294. birk was 315 and travis frederick from dallas is 318. zuttah is 305 but it shows against good nose tackles when he gets pushed back. zuttah is serviceable but i agree that we need to find his replacement soon

I'd be great if we could get Ethan Pocic out of LSU. He's 6'7", 315 lbs, and could play guard his rookie year then transition to center. Not sure where he's going to be drafted, but if we want to build a big, physical, offensive line, he'd be a great start.

Try looking at this guy. He sure have the look of a Raven :)

http://www.americanfootballinternational.com/denmarks-andreas-knappe-ot-uconn-2017-nfl-draft-underrated-prospect/

[TheConquerorWorm]

  13 hours ago, The Greek said:

  22 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

How about a good one? I mean...sometimes these questions answer themselves.

Couple of points here. First off, the Ravens don't really want to tip their hand before the draft because it "might" give other teams an idea of what type of lineman they'd pick in the draft and where they might be picking him.

First thing's first though. The Ravens have to figure out what type of team they are. This line proved time and time again with the running backs we have that we are not a stretch to the outside zone running team. This team ran the ball much better when Dixon and West were running North and South with Ducasse (known for always being a road grader and not much of a pass protector) in at RG.

We don't have that shifty/speedy scat back like Forsett anymore. I don't think the Ravens will draft a guy like that in the first round. I think they're looking for the next Jamal Lewis. A guy fast enough, but one that can pound the rock and is hard to bring down. If this is the case, we need some big uglies up front.

I know Yanda wants to go back to RG next season, but I think for the team he should move to LG. RG should either be Alex Lewis (or Lewis at RT if, and I think it is a strong possibility, Wagner walks via FA). I think it is much easier to find a plug and play road grader at RG than it is to find another good LG. Heck, we could put Ducasse back there again and see if some rookie/youngster can beat him for that spot.

I know many people probably don't know this guy or think much of him, but Matt Skura is a guy I think that could make some noise at C. Zuttah played through a lot of injuries last season and if healthy he's decent, but the Ravens better be looking for his replacement like...right now.

skura would need to put on some weight. he is listed at 294. birk was 315 and travis frederick from dallas is 318. zuttah is 305 but it shows against good nose tackles when he gets pushed back. zuttah is serviceable but i agree that we need to find his replacement soon

I'd be great if we could get Ethan Pocic out of LSU. He's 6'7", 315 lbs, and could play guard his rookie year then transition to center. Not sure where he's going to be drafted, but if we want to build a big, physical, offensive line, he'd be a great start.

He's a beast for sure and probably the 1st C off the board. He's probably a 2nd Round pick maybe to Carolina but I doubt he falls past Cleveland's first pick in Round 3.

The name no one is talking about to the Ravens is Cam Robinson. He could be there at 16 and could slide into the RT or LG spot (If Lewis moves to RT). He a big nasty mauler and road grader. And Ozzie loves him some Bama boys. He's not a LT so he could easily fall in the 1st Round.

I also like Tyler Orlosky from WV. Needs to pack on some muscle but has that nastiness you want. Could be available 3rd Round Comp.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

18 hours ago, The Greek said:

skura would need to put on some weight. he is listed at 294. birk was 315 and travis frederick from dallas is 318. zuttah is 305 but it shows against good nose tackles when he gets pushed back. zuttah is serviceable but i agree that we need to find his replacement soon

According to this site:

Zuttah: 6'4'' 300lbs

Skura: 6'3'' 305lbs.

According to Pro Football Reference:

Zuttah: 6'4'' 303lbs.

Skura: 6'3'' 305lbs.

[sizzlingdoom]

  20 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

relying on Ducasse as a starter and Lewis as a starting tackle.....very very dangerous imo. If we're trying to improve the line this off season, I think relying on those moves could = no improvement, and maybe a fall back. Everyone praises Lewis for some reason, and people don't seem to give Wagner credit for how well he's played for us

wagner has been solid but he will command 8 million plus and they must choose between him and b. williams and if it were my decision i would choose williams but even that depends on what his asking price is. we have plenty of needs that we cannot fill if we keep both or really overpay for 1. going to be fun watching how everything plays out

I agree about how it's gonna be fun watching things pan out. This should be a crazy offseason for us with a lot of moves. Quite a few more than usual I would think. Impactful ones too. Wagner and Williams are a lot of trench power. It was the number 6 pick, so if we missed.......well, yeah. But the Stanley pick is looking really nice to me right now.

[The Greek]

14 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

He's a beast for sure and probably the 1st C off the board. He's probably a 2nd Round pick maybe to Carolina but I doubt he falls past Cleveland's first pick in Round 3.

The name no one is talking about to the Ravens is Cam Robinson. He could be there at 16 and could slide into the RT or LG spot (If Lewis moves to RT). He a big nasty mauler and road grader. And Ozzie loves him some Bama boys. He's not a LT so he could easily fall in the 1st Round.

I also like Tyler Orlosky from WV. Needs to pack on some muscle but has that nastiness you want. Could be available 3rd Round Comp.

i doubt we use #16 on a lineman unless we trade back and acquire another draft pick. cb, s or edge rusher at 16 i would think. 

[OzzieBisciotti]

WHAT TYPE OF OFFENSIVE LINEMEN DO RAVENS WANT?

We want ones that become good, but ones that we can't sign to their second contacts because of poor cap management. Wagner will be following in KO's foot steps.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  21 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

He's a beast for sure and probably the 1st C off the board. He's probably a 2nd Round pick maybe to Carolina but I doubt he falls past Cleveland's first pick in Round 3.

The name no one is talking about to the Ravens is Cam Robinson. He could be there at 16 and could slide into the RT or LG spot (If Lewis moves to RT). He a big nasty mauler and road grader. And Ozzie loves him some Bama boys. He's not a LT so he could easily fall in the 1st Round.

I also like Tyler Orlosky from WV. Needs to pack on some muscle but has that nastiness you want. Could be available 3rd Round Comp.

i doubt we use #16 on a lineman unless we trade back and acquire another draft pick. cb, s or edge rusher at 16 i would think. 

No trading back we need quality picks not quantity of picks

[bigcatfrank1]

  On 2/4/2017 at 8:00 AM, The Greek said:

  On 2/4/2017 at 5:25 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

relying on Ducasse as a starter and Lewis as a starting tackle.....very very dangerous imo. If we're trying to improve the line this off season, I think relying on those moves could = no improvement, and maybe a fall back. Everyone praises Lewis for some reason, and people don't seem to give Wagner credit for how well he's played for us

wagner has been solid but he will command 8 million plus and they must choose between him and b. williams and if it were my decision i would choose williams but even that depends on what his asking price is. we have plenty of needs that we cannot fill if we keep both or really overpay for 1. going to be fun watching how everything plays out

I agree about how it's gonna be fun watching things pan out. This should be a crazy offseason for us with a lot of moves. Quite a few more than usual I would think. Impactful ones too. Wagner and Williams are a lot of trench power. It was the number 6 pick, so if we missed.......well, yeah. But the Stanley pick is looking really nice to me right now.

I agree too, but I'm sticking to my gut that I think The Ravens sit down with these two particular guys and talk straight with them. Wagner is a 5.5-6.5 mil Tackle period, and he is worth more to the Ravens than probably most teams because he is strictly a Right side player. Of course Yanda is big man on Campus- but with Stanley, Lewis, Jensen, and Urschel all capable of making more per year, newbees -Skura, Puhgsley, Broxton and Nembot looming and a Draft pending. The Ravens O-line looks to be very, very solid and Wagner should want to be a part of it to make a run at the "big Dance".
The same look should be made from the Defense side with Williams, obviously his number is probably double because of position and demand. 10-11 mil / or a decent 5 year progressive contract would be great. But that is really about tops. He is not a 3 down NT, most of the time and he doesn't have chase down speed.
I agree with one of the statements i read here about Pierce and Williams, wouldn't we rather have them both for $11 or $12 mil for the next 3 years+ a decision later, rather than Pierce for $1mil and a guess at the outcome

(1) Williams, (2) Wagner and The Ravens should highly consider sticking together. The fit may never be better for all parties. Sometimes its just best to take advantage of when the time is right.
Keep them both.

Go get experienced NFL (3) CB, (4) RB and (5)WR free agent playmakers.

Let the following go- Dumervil, Aiken, Zutta, Elam, Arrington, Ben Watson, K. Lewis, S. Wright, Rolle, Harris-Lewis, Powers, Allen (trade). to gain salary space.

try to retain as many of the other RFA and FA's as possible
along with (sadly) SS Sr. and Orr salaries there should be enough money for those (5)players and get the rest of the pieces in place.

[bigcatfrank1]

I want highly rated Center and huge guard prospects drafted this year. One of each will add physicality and depth to our O-line. We also need at least 2 CB preferably before the 4th round and 1 edge rusher in the first couple of rounds and 1 RB prospect that can add to our stable but with speed.

raven how many #2s do we have? lol

[Cawtious]

18 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

 

I am not sure the Ravens are going to shoot for a high round draft pick for the C position.  Three guys on the roster that can start at that position.  I think we opt for defense in the first two rounds. 

Urschel is in his last rookie contract year, so he stays.

Zuttah will be going head to head with Jensen again this coming year.  Jensen, if tendered will pose about a 1.8 M cap hit.  Think Zuttah's hit is close the 3 m? (not sure on this one).  One guy will be the odd man out.  Methinks Zuttah will be.

Jensen will be tendered.  I have little doubt about it.  Doesn't mean he'll still be here, though.  Br

If we lose him in FA, or they choose not to tender him, I think Zuttah stays and Urschel will contest him for the starting C position.  We would then draft a C in the 4th or 5th round to develop.  Skura is lurking as well, although he needs more lead in his seat, which is very doable.

Guess I don't see a high round pick for a Center.  I think we've got that covered better than what I see in the secondary.  Draft high for our defense.

 

Edited February 6 by Cawtious
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