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[bioLarzen]

Dunno, but I cannot help feeling that releasing Wallace - thus depriving Flacco of his prime target after Smith's gone, and replace him with an unproven guy would be just the way the Ravens seem to think an NFL offense should be built... Anything but consistency...
And these guys will be genuinely shocked when Flacco comes up with another face reddening season...

[MadStorkSociety]

Dunno, but I cannot help feeling that releasing Wallace - thus depriving Flacco of his prime target after Smith's gone, and replace him with an unproven guy would be just the way the Ravens seem to think an NFL offense should be built... Anything but consistency...
And these guys will be genuinely shocked when Flacco comes up with another face reddening season...

I like Torrey as a person but don't want him back as a receiver. We should either keep Wallace or get Marshall. But your point is a good one. Constant change at nearly every position does not help build continuity. Keeping Wallace would be preferred.

[rmcjacket23]

Dunno, but I cannot help feeling that releasing Wallace - thus depriving Flacco of his prime target after Smith's gone, and replace him with an unproven guy would be just the way the Ravens seem to think an NFL offense should be built... Anything but consistency...
And these guys will be genuinely shocked when Flacco comes up with another face reddening season...

I could argue both sides. On the one hand, the whole WR/TE core could be in for a major overhaul. Pitta's price tag is a bit high (though not sure what we can do about that), and Steve Smith is gone. We've got some young guys that we drafted and are invested in (namely Perriman), so it may be time to take the kid gloves off and throw him to the wolves.

Regardless, it appears likely we add a complementary receiver via FA or the draft, and Perriman will be a big piece of our offensive plan, so the idea of "consistency" from a pass catching standpoint is largely going to be shot at the WR position anyway.

Maybe he gets Wallace back, maybe he doesn't. Maybe he gets Pitta back, maybe he doesn't. But I don't see consistency being that likelihood from a pass catching standpoint in 2017, and I don't think it should be either. I think its time to regroup with that whole unit, because I wasn't impressed by basically anything that group did last season.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

How about NO

[potomacpitbulls]

Bringing in guys who are over 30 only prolongs the truth. This team needs to get younger and fresher not older and stale. Yes, it was fun having Mason, Boldin, and Smith, but it never fixes the issue. Sure they play like a Raven, but they are not homegrown. This team has never had its own offensive Identity. It always plays second fiddle to the defense, that’s why Joe has to endure so many OC’s. Stop trying to bring in tough guys who fit the mold of our D to play offense. Instead cultivate a new identity for the offense to flourish. In 2014, the team could have moved up 5 spots (possibly trading the 2015 Perriman pic) and chose ODB instead of Mosely, in the second round they could have had Jarvis Landry, but the chose Timmy Jernigan, and in the third round they took Crockett Gilmore, instead of Devonta Freeman. Sure Mosely is a great player, but the Ravens stuck trying to hold on to past defensive glory, while teams around the league are becoming more offensively evolved.

[rmcjacket23]

Bringing in guys who are over 30 only prolongs the truth. This team needs to get younger and fresher not older and stale. Yes, it was fun having Mason, Boldin, and Smith, but it never fixes the issue. Sure they play like a Raven, but they are not homegrown. This team has never had its own offensive Identity. It always plays second fiddle to the defense, that’s why Joe has to endure so many OC’s. Stop trying to bring in tough guys who fit the mold of our D to play offense. Instead cultivate a new identity for the offense to flourish. In 2014, the team could have moved up 5 spots (possibly trading the 2015 Perriman pic) and chose ODB instead of Mosely, in the second round they could have had Jarvis Landry, but the chose Timmy Jernigan, and in the third round they took Crockett Gilmore, instead of Devonta Freeman. Sure Mosely is a great player, but the Ravens stuck trying to hold on to past defensive glory, while teams around the league are becoming more offensively evolved.

So basically, just draft a bunch of offensive players, pray that they play well, and don't worry about the defense at all?

I mean there's no question that heading into 2015 the defense was a bigger problem than the offense (frankly had been for a couple years, dating back to the SB), so in the 2014 draft you would have snagged two WRs and a RB, while not addressing the defense at all?

Outstanding. Seems like a good recipe to lose every game 38-35. Ask the Atlanta Falcons. They proved how that model doesn't work. They've had a high powered offense for years.

When they started focusing on getting younger and more athletic on defense and beefing up the offensive line, they became a good football team.

This isn't rocket science folks. The good teams are largely balanced. These high powered offenses that neglect the defense struggle to win football games on an annual basis.

[whobilly]

How many 3 yard pass plays could we work into the game plan with Marshall?

[metalraven]

  42 minutes ago, potomacpitbulls said:

Bringing in guys who are over 30 only prolongs the truth. This team needs to get younger and fresher not older and stale. Yes, it was fun having Mason, Boldin, and Smith, but it never fixes the issue. Sure they play like a Raven, but they are not homegrown. This team has never had its own offensive Identity. It always plays second fiddle to the defense, that’s why Joe has to endure so many OC’s. Stop trying to bring in tough guys who fit the mold of our D to play offense. Instead cultivate a new identity for the offense to flourish. In 2014, the team could have moved up 5 spots (possibly trading the 2015 Perriman pic) and chose ODB instead of Mosely, in the second round they could have had Jarvis Landry, but the chose Timmy Jernigan, and in the third round they took Crockett Gilmore, instead of Devonta Freeman. Sure Mosely is a great player, but the Ravens stuck trying to hold on to past defensive glory, while teams around the league are becoming more offensively evolved.

So basically, just draft a bunch of offensive players, pray that they play well, and don't worry about the defense at all?

I mean there's no question that heading into 2015 the defense was a bigger problem than the offense (frankly had been for a couple years, dating back to the SB), so in the 2014 draft you would have snagged two WRs and a RB, while not addressing the defense at all?

Outstanding. Seems like a good recipe to lose every game 38-35. Ask the Atlanta Falcons. They proved how that model doesn't work. They've had a high powered offense for years.

When they started focusing on getting younger and more athletic on defense and beefing up the offensive line, they became a good football team.

This isn't rocket science folks. The good teams are largely balanced. These high powered offenses that neglect the defense struggle to win football games on an annual basis.

Exactly

[billiejean]

Bringing in guys who are over 30 only prolongs the truth. This team needs to get younger and fresher not older and stale. Yes, it was fun having Mason, Boldin, and Smith, but it never fixes the issue. Sure they play like a Raven, but they are not homegrown. This team has never had its own offensive Identity. It always plays second fiddle to the defense, that’s why Joe has to endure so many OC’s. Stop trying to bring in tough guys who fit the mold of our D to play offense. Instead cultivate a new identity for the offense to flourish. In 2014, the team could have moved up 5 spots (possibly trading the 2015 Perriman pic) and chose ODB instead of Mosely, in the second round they could have had Jarvis Landry, but the chose Timmy Jernigan, and in the third round they took Crockett Gilmore, instead of Devonta Freeman. Sure Mosely is a great player, but the Ravens stuck trying to hold on to past defensive glory, while teams around the league are becoming more offensively evolved.

You would make a heck of a GM,,,, If it was possible to make picks for the 2017 draft in 2021

[steelcityraven]

Bringing in guys who are over 30 only prolongs the truth. This team needs to get younger and fresher not older and stale. Yes, it was fun having Mason, Boldin, and Smith, but it never fixes the issue. Sure they play like a Raven, but they are not homegrown. This team has never had its own offensive Identity. It always plays second fiddle to the defense, that’s why Joe has to endure so many OC’s. Stop trying to bring in tough guys who fit the mold of our D to play offense. Instead cultivate a new identity for the offense to flourish. In 2014, the team could have moved up 5 spots (possibly trading the 2015 Perriman pic) and chose ODB instead of Mosely, in the second round they could have had Jarvis Landry, but the chose Timmy Jernigan, and in the third round they took Crockett Gilmore, instead of Devonta Freeman. Sure Mosely is a great player, but the Ravens stuck trying to hold on to past defensive glory, while teams around the league are becoming more offensively evolved.

Nobody thought that Freeman would have the career that he has had...its easy to say in hindsight who we should have taken. Heck... I think we should have taken Tom Brady in the 6th round years ago.

At the time... our defense was said to be aging and we needed to get younger and faster. We took CJ and Timmy...

CJ made the pro-bowl and Timmy looks like he is on the doorstep of being a pro-bowler. Those are two quality picks, no matter how you slice it.

I would have loved to have Landry but I would take CJ over ODB every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Reality is we tried to find that explosive offensive WR who can change our identity. We tried it by drafting Torrey Smith and while productive... he was not the Julio Jones or AJ Green type that we had hoped. So a few years later we tried it again by drafting Perriman... and while he also has not been Julio or AJ... I think he had a solid first year and will continue to get better.

We don't draft that position well and never have (all the way back to the Mark Clayton days) ... we have had success via the FA market...and it makes sense to stick with what works.

I would love to add Brandon Marshall, Alshon Jeffrey or even Torrey Smith back into the mix (and in that order).

Perriman, Marshall and CMoore makes us competitive
Perriman, Alshon and CMoore is also intriguing...
Perriman, Torrey and CMoore would be too much of the same thing

reality is... we probably need to add two WRs this year. and realistically 1 via the draft and 1 via FA is the most likely scenario.

(that's all assuming that Mike Wallace walks but he may be willing to stay here for a little less... remember what he said before coming here... that his skill set and Joe Flaccos skillset seem to be a good match. Mike Wallace knows that BMORE is the place he will flourish the most - and it showed)

[steelcityraven]

Dunno, but I cannot help feeling that releasing Wallace - thus depriving Flacco of his prime target after Smith's gone, and replace him with an unproven guy would be just the way the Ravens seem to think an NFL offense should be built... Anything but consistency...
And these guys will be genuinely shocked when Flacco comes up with another face reddening season...

Bio- I agree that we need to come to terms with the fact that Flacco is not an elite QB

But... we don't need him to be. We shouldn't be asking him to pass for 5k yards.. He is a great game manager and we can win a super bowl with him at the helm. That's enough for me.

Reality is... however is we have to
A. protect him
B. have a top notch run game
C. provide Joe with some sure handed targets who he is comfortable with
D. Give him someone who can fit his skillset... and let him take the top off of opposing defenses and give him a home run ball every so often.
E. Have quality TEs who can help with the check down
F. Have a RB who can catch the ball and make things happen in space. So that Joe's safe check downs have a chance of turning into a big gain (like Ray Rice's 4 and 21 etc.).

I think we will be able to protect him well next year
We have the TEs who can move the chains
We have Perriman who can take the top off

We need a game breaker at the RB position who can run and rec well.
We need to add a great possession WR. (I am not sure if Mike Wallace is that guy)

I think Perriman can be everything that MIke Wallace is... and more but that is risky... If Perriman (who has been fragile) goes down and we don't have Wallace... we are in trouble (minus a great run game)

I really think we need to find a way to keep Wallace and still add a quality possession WR or at least add a guy like Brandon Marshall and a Torrey Smith???? Not sure what Torrey will command via FA at this point but he may be a poor mans version of Mike Wallace???

[steelcityraven]

  1 hour ago, bioLarzen said:

Dunno, but I cannot help feeling that releasing Wallace - thus depriving Flacco of his prime target after Smith's gone, and replace him with an unproven guy would be just the way the Ravens seem to think an NFL offense should be built... Anything but consistency...
And these guys will be genuinely shocked when Flacco comes up with another face reddening season...

I like Torrey as a person but don't want him back as a receiver. We should either keep Wallace or get Marshall. But your point is a good one. Constant change at nearly every position does not help build continuity. Keeping Wallace would be preferred.

MSS.... I wouldn't mind having Torrey back as an insurance policy to Perriman but to me that would mean adding Torrey and a Brandon Marshall or Torrey and Alshon. (Torrey should come cheap enough now that may be realistic)???

[CQ1]

Could. My name for next year COULD also continue to be Edgar Alan Poo, however, it COULD go back to Edgar Alan Poe. Could.

[Darryls17]

I like the idea of going to get Brandon Marshall if he is there and we can keep Wallace. Marshall may be getting old, but he is a beast in his own right. His size, route running, and toughness would compliment the speed of Wallace and Perriman nicely. The real wild card in this whole thing to me is can Breshad Perriman take off the training wheels and become the play maker we all would love him to be. He flashed the ability at times last year, but other times, not so much. I am definitely in his corner and I hope he can take that next step. If he does, a receiving trio featuring the above 3 could be extremely difficult to match up against. Joe has to play better no doubt, but I think a full year under his belt following the injury should allow him to loosen up a bit like he started to do nearing the end of the season. He is not Aaron Rogers, but he has proven he can get the job done with the right supporting cast. If we could get a 1000 rushing yard season from Dixon or West, we will be in good shape I think.

Just my two cents for the off season:
(Draft a Outside Corner Early) (Draft a Pass Rusher Early) (Retain Brandon Williams) (Find Another Alex Lewis type prospect for the O-Line to replace Ricky Wagner) (Let Dumervil go!! FYI love this guy but we gotta give some of the young guys a chance) (Sign a Veteran Receiver)

Edited February 3 by Darryls17

[Azzi22]

BRING TORREY BACK.. him and flacco knew how to go deep on teams.. if it wasent a catch.. it was pass interference.. and if it wasent either.. it was PICKED bcz torrey didn't try hahah id love to have Torrey back.. home grown.. left for more money and realized only reason you were getting 1000 yards was because of flacco.. same with Wallace.. go play with tannehill.. bridgewater.. U WONT GET 1000 yards

[Darryls17]

BRING TORREY BACK.. him and flacco knew how to go deep on teams.. if it wasent a catch.. it was pass interference.. and if it wasent either.. it was PICKED bcz torrey didn't try hahah id love to have Torrey back.. home grown.. left for more money and realized only reason you were getting 1000 yards was because of flacco.. same with Wallace.. go play with tannehill.. bridgewater.. U WONT GET 1000 yards

I like Torrey Smith as a person, but for the same reason you mentioned about the picks is why I don't want him back. I would prefer a guy that is going to go up and make the contested catch and not just lean up against the guy that is defending him enough to draw a P.I. Again, Torrey is a good dude, but he isn't one of those "play makers" the Ravens should be looking for.

[JimmyBlack]

I will be very disappointed if we don't keep our #1 receiver Mike Wallace.  It would be nice to have Brandon Marshall but not at the cost of losing Wallace.

[ellicottraven]

Keep Wallace and cutting him would be a huge mistake. He's the one play maker that's left on offense and he gets enough YAC that he makes the offense look better than it is. Get Brandon Marshall as Receiver #1 for God's sake! If he isn't released try to trade for him if necessary. Just get him and he'll become the face of our offense on day 1.

[Halshayeji]

If the Ravens can get a top 10 WR in B.Marshall for 7.5mil then it would instantly improve this squad. Even if it's for one year id take a B.Marshall in a heartbeat. I'd even send a 7th to ensure getting him. This should be unanimous if the FO had a vote.

the real question is wether or not the jets are willing to part with him.

[Halshayeji]

3 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Keep Wallace and cutting him would be a huge mistake. He's the one play maker that's left on offense and he gets enough YAC that he makes the offense look better than it is. Get Brandon Marshall as Receiver #1 for God's sake! If he isn't released try to trade for him if necessary. Just get him and he'll become the face of our offense on day 1.

How sweet would it be to have 2 potential 1k yard WRs and a 1st rounder backing them up? I'd be dissapointed if marshal was on the block and Ozzie didn't make a move. No 6th or 7th rounder in the upcoming draft will have a better 2017 than B.Marshall.

[metalraven]

  1 hour ago, Azzi22 said:

BRING TORREY BACK.. him and flacco knew how to go deep on teams.. if it wasent a catch.. it was pass interference.. and if it wasent either.. it was PICKED bcz torrey didn't try hahah id love to have Torrey back.. home grown.. left for more money and realized only reason you were getting 1000 yards was because of flacco.. same with Wallace.. go play with tannehill.. bridgewater.. U WONT GET 1000 yards

I like Torrey Smith as a person, but for the same reason you mentioned about the picks is why I don't want him back. I would prefer a guy that is going to go up and make the contested catch and not just lean up against the guy that is defending him enough to draw a P.I. Again, Torrey is a good dude, but he isn't one of those "play makers" the Ravens should be looking for.

I agree. He's a one trick pony, and even with that one trick, he was very inconsistent.

[ryananth]

Who is benjaminswatson?

[dirtybird66]

they better check his 40 time first,i think he's a hasbeen waiting to happen,like WALLACE was last season!

[dirtybird66]

we need to start bringing in free agent QB'S instead of all thse hasbeen recievers,the last time we did it was AIR MCNAIR and it worked out pretty good!

[BrianRandolph011]

Would love to get Marshall.. 5 years ago... Too late now.. Get younger..

[Steve32]

we need to start bringing in free agent QB'S instead of all thse hasbeen recievers,the last time we did it was AIR MCNAIR and it worked out pretty good!

for just one season...

[TheConquerorWorm]

we need to start bringing in free agent QB'S instead of all thse hasbeen recievers,the last time we did it was AIR MCNAIR and it worked out pretty good!

Except when he CHOKED in the play-offs. Ravens Defense holds Peyton Manning to ZERO touchdowns, picks him off twice and McNair can't score a single point.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  2 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Keep Wallace and cutting him would be a huge mistake. He's the one play maker that's left on offense and he gets enough YAC that he makes the offense look better than it is. Get Brandon Marshall as Receiver #1 for God's sake! If he isn't released try to trade for him if necessary. Just get him and he'll become the face of our offense on day 1.

How sweet would it be to have 2 potential 1k yard WRs and a 1st rounder backing them up? I'd be dissapointed if marshal was on the block and Ozzie didn't make a move. No 6th or 7th rounder in the upcoming draft will have a better 2017 than B.Marshall.

Marshall is not a #1 Receiver and not worth 7.5 mil a year

[RavensDieHard21]

The #1 free agency move should be to get Marshall if he is cut. 

I like the idea of having continuity with Wallace and if we can afford it then why not? If that is the way it shakes out and we release guys like Doom, Pitta and Watson. That is over $12 million right there.

Make no mistake about it, if Marshall gets a QB like Joe, he will prove to still be an elite WR. A possession guy that can actually move chains instead of getting 5 yards on 3&7. I'd offer him a 3 year deal worth $22-24 million, mostly guaranteed with a couple million dollar escalators if we go to playoffs and he makes it to the pro bowl.