[News] Ravens Want Playmakers, No Matter What Size They Come In

[Chuckx999]

We all know the "pick the best on the board rule" Ozzie has. And just how many games have we won the past 4-5 years with those players? Pick for our NEEDS. Select players that can replace the OLD and SLOW players we have been stuck with and that includes QB. Maybe its just time for Ozzie to go?

[zing21042]

  2 hours ago, zing21042 said:

  10 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  17 hours ago, ravens4life86 said:

Playmakers... ok. There will be playmakers every round.
Mike Williams,Dalvin Cook, Davis West Mich WR, Howard TE all possibly 16th picks
Rnd 2- Dede Westbrook, Amarah Darboh, Smith Schuster WRs

But are they going offense or defense?

Williams is gone in the Top 10. I think Fournette goes to the Panthers and Cook goes to the Colts or the Eagles right before us. That basically leaves Davis, Howard or John Ross for us in the 1st Round. I don't know if you pass up a top notch CB or Pass Rusher for either (Davis maybe but not Howard). I like Ross but we don't need another speed guy. I think this is the perfect draft to trade back in the 1st Round and still get a shutdown corner. Trading back into the 20s could get us another 3rd Round pick that could net us CB Tre'Davious or RT Taylor Morton.

JuJu will be gone at the top of Round 2 (49ers or Bears). No way Stevie B drafts Dede after 2 domestic violence arrests.

Darboh is more a 3rd or 4th Round guy. I think the Ravens wait until those rounds on a WR like Darboh, Kupp, Zay or Courtland Sutton. Personally, I would love to see the Ravens get Zay or Sutton - that's the type of WR we need.

Many are forgetting the Ravens philosophy toward the draft; they pick the best player available on the board. Picking a CB, pass rusher, running back, offensive lineman, etc. first, will be dictated by who is the best on the board ....not by which one the Ravens need the most. We have needed CBs every year since I can remember. We were in dire need of a tackle with the loss of Osemele; however, had he been available, we would have drafted Elliott before Stanley (in my opinion)...Not taking anything away from Stanley, but the Ravens would have asked themselves, is Elliott a better running back than Stanley is a tackle? That is the Ravens logic. In the end, we will all be in wonderment at what the Ravens do with their early draft picks.

Also, the Ravens feel (and are correct) that the offense is the weakest part of our game. So I expect it to get the most attention early on. But the Ravens have incorrectly equated Flacco's poor play to his knee, his weapons and consistency in offensive coaching. Two of the three will have been rendered academic by 2017. However, line management has failed to entertain the idea that Flacco has peaked and become a middle of the road QB. Weapons will not change that.

JMHO

"we would have drafted Elliott before Stanley (in my opinion)"

I suppose I can't say your wrong, but it's a situation we knew never would happen.

Facts: We knew Dallas wanted Elliot. We wanted Ramsey. We liked Ramsey more than both Elliot and Stanley.

I suppose we never will know if we liked Elliot more than Stanley, but we knew Elliot would be gone so it never was a serious thought.

NJ, I don't disagree; however the point was not Stanley or Elliot, it was that the Ravens want the best available. That is what dictates their draft choices. In the end, I think we will all be surprised by the first and second round choices because we do not have the Raven's mindset as to who is best on the board.

[nj_ravens]

In order for a "playmaker" to make plays, you have to give them the opportunity. Camp is a playmaker but they only use him for end arounds.

because he gets hurt. You're right though. He should be our Welker or Hogan. In the game where Joe threw 5 touchdowns in the first quarter against the Bucs (remember that game, haters?), I think camp had 2 TDs.

[nj_ravens]

Yeah we REALLY need another TE , it would be a wasted pick, We all know we need CBs, but if D Cook is there it could be tempting...

He looks like he could play reciever, tbh.

[fusuymada]

Part of getting playmakers is the ability to draft high quality players, the other part is being able to develop those players and surround them with game plans and other players that allow them to be successful. I am not so sure the Ravens issues reside with poor draft selections as it resides with the ability to develop players, game plan and best utilize those highly skilled players. For the Steelers to hit on every skill position and we, every now and then hit on a running back, tells me that we are failing miserably at developing players and putting them in positions to be successful. As much as people lambaste Ozzie for his draft picks, who is to say those same guys, given the tutelage and instruction they would have gotten on other teams who seem to be able to make superstars out of lacrosse players, that they too may not be HOFers. BUT, on the Ravens, if you don't have it when you get here, you aren't going to get it here.

The only way we have been able to get playmakers is to sign them away from other teams who know how to develop themt (except for some rare exceptions).

[mmcclend]

I created a "playmaker" thread months ago and got crushed. Not BR puts it up and everybody is all over it lmao.

[Crusader]

I created a "playmaker" thread months ago and got crushed. Not BR puts it up and everybody is all over it lmao.

There a lot of that lately. People just want to protest everything before thinking.

[Raven1995]

  17 hours ago, sami said:

In order for a "playmaker" to make plays, you have to give them the opportunity. Camp is a playmaker but they only use him for end arounds.

because he gets hurt. You're right though. He should be our Welker or Hogan. In the game where Joe threw 5 touchdowns in the first quarter against the Bucs (remember that game, haters?), I think camp had 2 TDs.

They need to use Camp more than 3 or 4 plays a game. The games he was in last year he was great. I'd keep him in the backfield to keep the defense honest and draw them to the line and open up plays for Wallace and Perriman.

[CQ1]

We'll see how far this goes, given:
-whoever we draft at RB even gets the ball when they should be running the ball
-whoever we draft at WR /TE, even gets the ball when it is either thrown directly, to the defense and, or, it is continually checked off via Dunkin' Joenuts.
- maybe the 10 year rookie QB we have will progress. Yeah, right.
We'll see ;)

[Crusader]

"Wide receiver Kendall Wright told reporters Monday that he will not be "part of the 2017 Tennessee Titans." Is the impending free agent ready to test his market value"

[TheConquerorWorm]

I don't think we need to add a lot of play makers to this team on the Offensive side of the Ball. Just Brandon Marshall and a crazy fast rb in rounds 3-5 maybe. In addition to that we have Perriman, Wallace, Dixon, Waller, and Moore. What we need is competent coaching to put these guys in situations to utilize their strengths. It boggles my mind to think about how incompetent the Ravens are at coaching offense. We do need play makers on the defensive side of the ball though! AT CB,OLB, and FS

Lol...Waller has brick for hands, Wallace is a one trick pony when he's not pouting (or taking himself out of the game), Perriman & Moore still have a lot to learn. They're not exactly Bell/Brown, AJ Green/Eifert, Julio/Freeman and aren't keeping DCs up at night.

Marshall is still under contract so banking on him getting cut to fix your offense is not very smart. Just think though, if the Ravens hired someone with your knowledge & expertise, they wouldn't need incompetent people like Harbaugh, Ozzie, etc.

[Raven in ATL]

I created a "playmaker" thread months ago and got crushed. Not BR puts it up and everybody is all over it lmao.

same, i've been clamoring for more playmakers for a while now on these comment boards. well better late than never i suppose. lets hope we can find some in the draft.

[sizzlingdoom]

  22 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

I don't think we need to add a lot of play makers to this team on the Offensive side of the Ball. Just Brandon Marshall and a crazy fast rb in rounds 3-5 maybe. In addition to that we have Perriman, Wallace, Dixon, Waller, and Moore. What we need is competent coaching to put these guys in situations to utilize their strengths. It boggles my mind to think about how incompetent the Ravens are at coaching offense. We do need play makers on the defensive side of the ball though! AT CB,OLB, and FS

Lol...Waller has brick for hands, Wallace is a one trick pony when he's not pouting (or taking himself out of the game), Perriman & Moore still have a lot to learn. They're not exactly Bell/Brown, AJ Green/Eifert, Julio/Freeman and aren't keeping DCs up at night.

Marshall is still under contract so banking on him getting cut to fix your offense is not very smart. Just think though, if the Ravens hired someone with your knowledge & expertise, they wouldn't need incompetent people like Harbaugh, Ozzie, etc.

Wallace is a one trick pony....that just had over 1,000 yards. LOL and can still blow the top off the D. Perriman is getting better and is very dangerous. Moore hasn't got a chance yet.
And yes, I suggested adding a play maker. Marshall. If he's not ava.(which he will be), then go after someone in his place. Hmm, tough logic there. And I just love how you give Ozzie and Harbaugh credit. HAHAHAHAHA. Ozzie has lost most of his touch unfortunately. And Harbaugh pulled off the worst coached season off all time last year! LOLOLOLOL After next year, they'll be working on a half decade streak of straight dominance!!!!! You should do stand up

[sizzlingdoom]

  22 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

I don't think we need to add a lot of play makers to this team on the Offensive side of the Ball. Just Brandon Marshall and a crazy fast rb in rounds 3-5 maybe. In addition to that we have Perriman, Wallace, Dixon, Waller, and Moore. What we need is competent coaching to put these guys in situations to utilize their strengths. It boggles my mind to think about how incompetent the Ravens are at coaching offense. We do need play makers on the defensive side of the ball though! AT CB,OLB, and FS

Lol...Waller has brick for hands, Wallace is a one trick pony when he's not pouting (or taking himself out of the game), Perriman & Moore still have a lot to learn. They're not exactly Bell/Brown, AJ Green/Eifert, Julio/Freeman and aren't keeping DCs up at night.

Marshall is still under contract so banking on him getting cut to fix your offense is not very smart. Just think though, if the Ravens hired someone with your knowledge & expertise, they wouldn't need incompetent people like Harbaugh, Ozzie, etc.

Not to mention, what's your solution to adding a play maker???Trading up in the first to grab a rb???? Or wait, that's right, you said we should sign Kenny Britt, and draft Pumphrey in the 3rd!!!!!!!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I think the Ravens need your expertise HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA it's too much, but I do appreciate the laugh

[FLBlackbird]

The first step to adding a play maker is to clear salary cap space, and this starts with Joe Flacco. It's very clear that he is not elite with out elite players around him. He needs to take a pay cut that matches his QB rating. This will allow Ozzie to have some $$$ to work with. Then he can afford to shop the free agent market, make trades in the draft and just have more options.

On another note Ozzie/Ravens don't pay for high priced free agents when they are available or keep the players that have earned that new contract (Torrey Smith). Result 1 playoff appearance in four years. Coincident probably not?
It seems like only Belichick & Brady have the ability to make no name receivers great.
Brady is Elite as much as I hate it. Case in point "Hogan", who is he? Brady is making him a star, if/when he goes to another team he will be a dude. Other teams don't have Brady to make average receivers great, and the Ravens don't have that QB either, Average Joe Flacco needs to pay for the supporting cast to make another Super Bowl run. Bottom Line!!!

[Adreme]

On 2/3/2017 at 0:35 PM, FLBlackbird said:

The first step to adding a play maker is to clear salary cap space, and this starts with Joe Flacco. It's very clear that he is not elite with out elite players around him. He needs to take a pay cut that matches his QB rating. This will allow Ozzie to have some $$$ to work with. Then he can afford to shop the free agent market, make trades in the draft and just have more options.

On another note Ozzie/Ravens don't pay for high priced free agents when they are available or keep the players that have earned that new contract (Torrey Smith). Result 1 playoff appearance in four years. Coincident probably not?
It seems like only Belichick & Brady have the ability to make no name receivers great.
Brady is Elite as much as I hate it. Case in point "Hogan", who is he? Brady is making him a star, if/when he goes to another team he will be a dude. Other teams don't have Brady to make average receivers great, and the Ravens don't have that QB either, Average Joe Flacco needs to pay for the supporting cast to make another Super Bowl run. Bottom Line!!!

Why would Flacco have any motivation to agree to a payout cut.  The only time players ever agree to one is when being released is an actual issue and that player will not make as much on the open market.

 

Both of those are untrue here and before you quote his cap number to say he would make (if you were able to somehow make cutting him not automatically  make the Ravens franchise a 1-2 win franchise for the next 2 years) his cap number is NOT his salary and he can double his salary on the open market easily.

Edited February 4 by Adreme

[NNITRED]

Flaco doesn't need to take a paycut. When you look at contracts for Jimmy Smith, Doom, and Webb there are plenty of places where we spend big and get little.

[Grapple Raven]

On ‎2‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 8:23 AM, Maurice0094 said:

I like East Carolina's Zay Jones and NC Ryan Switzer they were very productive, good route runners. We have a lot of speed something we didn't have years ago but now we need wr's who can work intermediate routes and get open. Joe needs more dependable targets that he is comfortable with besides Pitta and the RB's.

I am with ya on those two, Switzer is what we need as a punt/kick returner, and can double as a WR.  Zay is the WR this offense has been looking for years.

[RavenManiac#7]

We all know the "pick the best on the board rule" Ozzie has. And just how many games have we won the past 4-5 years with those players? Pick for our NEEDS. Select players that can replace the OLD and SLOW players we have been stuck with and that includes QB. Maybe its just time for Ozzie to go?

I don't think that it is, in fact, time for Ozzie to go. I do think, however, that he does need to somewhat abandon his BPA mindset at this point as a direct result of the fact that this team has deteriorated significantly in its talent level and the sheer number of different needs that it has. This team would benefit more, I think, by placing more emphasis on positions of need rather than on strict adherence to that BPA philosophy. I don't believe that Ozzie wanted Elliot over Stanley, as some on here have suggested, when he tried to trade with Dallas in the first round of last year's draft. I think that he was after Ramsey, not Elliot. Of course, both of them were gone when we picked, and the trade wasn't made, so we'll never know, but I am More than pleased with our choice of Stanley. Getting our starting LT on a five year rookie contract is awesome, and quite an accomplishment. But, this year, the draft is loaded with potentially quality CBs so, again, because of our numerous needs, if a very high quality player at a different position of need is there for us, I would like to see Ozzie try to concentrate on filling as many players as he can that play one of the many positions we have a need to upgrade. The last thing I would want is to see him draft a player, who plays a position that we simply don't have a need for, just because he happens to be the BPA at that moment in the draft. If we were only a player or two away from being a serious Super Bowl contender, maybe we might have the luxury of sticking to that BPA line of thinking, but I just do not believe that the Ravens are only a player or two away. We have more needs to address than just a player or two. We need to, more than ever, concentrate on our positions of need. The Only exception to this would be if the BPA happens to Not be a position of need but he is truly leaps and bounds better than the BPA of a needed position. But, I mean a Huge, huge difference of talent between the two players in question. Just one fan's opinion.