[News] Pundits Expect Ravens To Make Brandon Williams A 'Very Competitive Offer'

[usmccharles]

8 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

We made KO a "very competitive offer"........what a bummer he left. If he's around for another 5-8+ years, he'll go down as one of the best ever. The guy is the definition of nasty. At least he helped us win a SB!

You think we should of gave him 12+ a year? 

12 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

Market value? LOL. Compare the contract he got at the time to the contract Arod had at the time then tell me all about your Market Value with the two products compared to each other. hahaha. Somebody probably will pay Bwill a lot more than we can afford to..........because we have many bad contracts on this team. And a ridiculous amount of dead money each year from past bad contracts

I love how you are referencing market value and you are not even aware of it, oh the irony. 

[budman]

23 hours ago, hen826957 said:

The Ravens could've kept Courtney Upshaw but want a draft pick instead SMH.

But then again, at that time 99 out of 100 people on these boards wanted Upshaw gone saying he wasn't worth keeping. It's me SMH

[sizzlingdoom]

  13 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

You need to start doing some research on how NFL contracts actually work, and fast. You're completely ignorant on the subject matter at this time.

But then he can't make up random arguments because he would actually be informed, we can't be having that.

You guys are hilarious! Bottom line is you guys admitted below he's overpaid by 2-3 mil a year. I would say 3-4 as would plenty of fans. Yall mentioned adding difference makers for that missing amount....I might call SSS senior a difference maker. I might call Justin Tucker and Daryl Smith difference makers. Plus not being able to spend that much more on top tier FA or trades on one player per year and just taking left overs. Yall admitted he's overpaid finally. Bravo. I'm sure you feel better

[sizzlingdoom]

  15 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

it would appear you haven't. And the 6 year part for Joe's contract was a problem as well. Yall that defend his contract truly crack me up

LOL the number of years on a contract are completely irrelevant. Its all written in pencil.

Remember when everybody threw a hissy fit the first time he signed a "six year deal", and literally everybody in the industry told you it was a 3 year deal the way it was restructured, and then sure enough, a new deal is struck after year 3?

Wake up. Six year deals turn into 2-3 year deals on an annual basis. Torrey Smith signed a 5 year deal with the 49ers in 2015. Its a coin flip right now whether he's back in SF for 2017, and that's after only two years. 

You need to start doing some research on how NFL contracts actually work, and fast. You're completely ignorant on the subject matter at this time.

HAHAHAHA. You guys are the fools.Comparing the contract of a mediocre wr that can run a route, to a qb's contract that averages well over 20 mil per year.WOW
And O yeah, we got that deal restructured didn't we !?!?! We got that cap hit down from TWENTY EIGHT and a half+ to 221/2! SWEEEEET! HAHAHAHA. And it only goes up from there....LOL. Comparing Flacco's contract to Torrey Smith's.....UM, yeah. Thanks for the laugh

[sizzlingdoom]

  15 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  16 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  23 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

"people on here still think....." LOL he averages over 22 a year. That is too much. No way around it

Well, that's the problem when you're averaging money that he will likely never make.

And at the end of the day, when you say he's making "too much", you're really saying he makes about $2-3M too much, because there's really not much argument that he's less than a $19-20M QB. Pretty much any metric you can come up with puts him in that range.

So its cute to argue about him being "overpaid" by $2-3M, but not really sure how you think you are going to take $2-3M and turn that into multiple quality players that will make this team a contender.

In short, you really can't.

So what exactly is the argument over?

It was also "cute" losing KO to a couple extra mil a year eh? Weenies. Just admit his contract blows

They were never going to pay him that money, regardless of Flacco. They gave him top 10 tackle money to play guard, and didn't even kick him out to tackle when Penn went down.

Maybe not. But bottom line is they admitted he's overpaid 2-3 mil a year. I would say 4. That extra per year keeps us from adding key missing difference makers that would help us get over the hump. Even just one player per year. SSS, Tucker, Daryl Smith just to name a couple off the top of my head in that price range. There are plenty of players in that range all around the league that make the difference. Also keeps us from spending that much more to get a top tier FA or player in a trade, so we take people's left overs. It is what is. Not too much to do about it now. Flacco was a huge part in winning the 12 SB which is beyond awesome. I'm not not a Flacco hater. His contract is just handi capping us a little bit. Watching him play last year was brutal. Not ALL of that falls on him though. Some better coaching would sure be nice. Can't believe the worst team in the league is gonna score Shannahan. That would've been the very best thing that could've happened to the Ravens and Flacco, without question. Why Steve, why?

[Adreme]

1 hour ago, sizzlingdoom said:

HAHAHAHA. You guys are the fools.Comparing the contract of a mediocre wr that can run a route, to a qb's contract that averages well over 20 mil per year.WOW
And O yeah, we got that deal restructured didn't we !?!?! We got that cap hit down from TWENTY EIGHT and a half+ to 221/2! SWEEEEET! HAHAHAHA. And it only goes up from there....LOL. Comparing Flacco's contract to Torrey Smith's.....UM, yeah. Thanks for the laugh

Before I say anything your tone here basically proves his point that you dont actually understand what you are talking about because when you act dismissively like that you look like the fool.

To cement that point his cap hit is about what you get if you have one of the 15 starting QBs who can take a team to the Super Bowl.  Only half the QBs in the league can do it they all command 20M annually or are on rookie deals and if you dont have one you ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT.  Every year you look at the teams in the championships games and they always seem to have the guy.  Every once in awhile you get a team like the Jets that can sneak that far without one but if you want to win a Super Bowl which only 1 team gets to do and 31 teams get to be disappointed that they didnt you have to have a guy who can take you there.

[sizzlingdoom]

  1 hour ago, sizzlingdoom said:

HAHAHAHA. You guys are the fools.Comparing the contract of a mediocre wr that can run a route, to a qb's contract that averages well over 20 mil per year.WOW
And O yeah, we got that deal restructured didn't we !?!?! We got that cap hit down from TWENTY EIGHT and a half+ to 221/2! SWEEEEET! HAHAHAHA. And it only goes up from there....LOL. Comparing Flacco's contract to Torrey Smith's.....UM, yeah. Thanks for the laugh

Before I say anything your tone here basically proves his point that you dont actually understand what you are talking about because when you act dismissively like that you look like the fool.

To cement that point his cap hit is about what you get if you have one of the 15 starting QBs who can take a team to the Super Bowl.  Only half the QBs in the league can do it they all command 20M annually or are on rookie deals and if you dont have one you ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT.  Every year you look at the teams in the championships games and they always seem to have the guy.  Every once in awhile you get a team like the Jets that can sneak that far without one but if you want to win a Super Bowl which only 1 team gets to do and 31 teams get to be disappointed that they didnt you have to have a guy who can take you there.

My tone was lame, because I was responding to personal attacks. You're right, that means I don't know what I'm talking about LOL. DO you honestly believe Flacco played like a top 15 qb?????

[BigUgly]

Williams is a great guy and a nice player for his role.  The Ravens have too many holes on the roster to be able to afford even a true "competitive offer".  They will offer market, regretfully wave goodbye as he takes an above-market offer elsewhere, and hope he results in a 3rd round comp that they can use to draft another Williams-like player (he was a 3rd-rounder, btw).

Besides, we already have his replacement on the roster.  Pierce is a space eater, which is the minimum you want from a 3-4 NT, and he has a better burst up the middle than Williams and can actually rush the passer.  

We need to replace the guy BEHIND the NT first.  We need another ILB that can hope to come close to matching Orr's 132 tackles and coverage skills.

[BrianRandolph011]

B Williams is expendable.. Great player but fortunately for baltimore, DL is the one area of our team we do rather well at drafting so the depth is there.. Loosing Williams to another team will hurt us far less than having to outbid and overpay for him keeping us from addressing the real issues on the Baltimore Ravens roster.. Pass Rusher.. WR.. DB...OL... TE... RB and now ILB

As far as OJ Howard.. if he is there at 16 I cant argue with taking him.. An unstoppable TE can do wonders for a rather sketchy WR corps.. Ask NE about that.. Though I feel we have positions we are worse off in that we will look to address at 16..

[rmcjacket23]

7 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

HAHAHAHA. You guys are the fools.Comparing the contract of a mediocre wr that can run a route, to a qb's contract that averages well over 20 mil per year.WOW
And O yeah, we got that deal restructured didn't we !?!?! We got that cap hit down from TWENTY EIGHT and a half+ to 221/2! SWEEEEET! HAHAHAHA. And it only goes up from there....LOL. Comparing Flacco's contract to Torrey Smith's.....UM, yeah. Thanks for the laugh

Way to dodge the overall premise of why the number of years on a contract don't matter. I don't blame you for dodging that part, because there really is no counter-argument that it does matter.

In chess, that's called checkmate.

[rmcjacket23]

7 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

You guys are hilarious! Bottom line is you guys admitted below he's overpaid by 2-3 mil a year. I would say 3-4 as would plenty of fans. Yall mentioned adding difference makers for that missing amount....I might call SSS senior a difference maker. I might call Justin Tucker and Daryl Smith difference makers. Plus not being able to spend that much more on top tier FA or trades on one player per year and just taking left overs. Yall admitted he's overpaid finally. Bravo. I'm sure you feel better

Yes, he's overpaid by $2-3M a year. And what does that have to do with the Baltimore Ravens ability to field a winning football team?

I mean if you want to I can find other players on the team that are overpaid, and I'm sure I could find a couple who are overpaid by more than $2-3M a year.

I'm willing to play this game all day long if you want to, but I don't think its a game you can win.

A little perspective goes a long way...

And based on your fascination of showing how one player is overpaid by 1% of the total salary cap, it would seem I'm not the one who's looking to make themselves "feel better".

Seems to me like trying to get somebody to agree to something that doesn't really have any impact on football would certainly qualify as that...

[rmcjacket23]

5 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

My tone was lame, because I was responding to personal attacks. You're right, that means I don't know what I'm talking about LOL. DO you honestly believe Flacco played like a top 15 qb?????

Nope, he didn't. 

Not that it matters if he did. Evaluating a franchise player based on one season or even a few seasons of a lengthy career wouldn't seem to yield any actual value to the football team.

[rmcjacket23]

3 hours ago, BigUgly said:

Williams is a great guy and a nice player for his role.  The Ravens have too many holes on the roster to be able to afford even a true "competitive offer".  They will offer market, regretfully wave goodbye as he takes an above-market offer elsewhere, and hope he results in a 3rd round comp that they can use to draft another Williams-like player (he was a 3rd-rounder, btw).

Besides, we already have his replacement on the roster.  Pierce is a space eater, which is the minimum you want from a 3-4 NT, and he has a better burst up the middle than Williams and can actually rush the passer.  

We need to replace the guy BEHIND the NT first.  We need another ILB that can hope to come close to matching Orr's 132 tackles and coverage skills.

Well, in fairness, its not possible to take an "above market value deal". The market, by definition, is whatever somebody is willing to pay you, even if its only one party.

No different than a housing market. A house's worth is 100% determined by how much any individual person is willing to pay for it. Just because somebody pays more than what somebody else projects it should go for doesn't mean that's above market. It means the market is higher than what they are projecting.

I would also point out that Orr wasn't that great in coverage. May have been better than Mosley, but that's not saying much. Replacing his coverage skills won't be extremely difficult. 

Edited February 3 by rmcjacket23