[News] Pundits Expect Ravens To Make Brandon Williams A 'Very Competitive Offer'

[BR News]

The Ravens nose tackle ‘will get paid, and will get a big deal’ if he hits the open market, ESPN’s Adam Caplan says, but NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport said Williams should want to stay in Baltimore.

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[Azzi22]

cant afford to lose this guy... our run D will struggle like our Pass D struggles without Jimmy... we should sell everyone and cut everyone to keep this guy..DO NOT BE STUPID BALTIMORE

[jetskireid]

cant afford to lose this guy... our run D will struggle like our Pass D struggles without Jimmy... we should sell everyone and cut everyone to keep this guy..DO NOT BE STUPID BALTIMORE

I said the same thing about Boldin and I like to think I was right about that, but I think we have too many holes to fill to throw all of our cap space at Williams. Plus we have a promising backup for that position so there might be that much drop off if he walks.

[bioLarzen]

A "very comeptitive offer" will be worth sweet little as soon as there's an organization willing to overpay him - and there will be. I'm quite sure Williams will receive offers Ozzie wouldn't match - let alone overbid - even if we had the cap space - which we don't...

[ravens4life86]

I wouldnt mind a Harrison type deal, 5 for 46. Thats avg of 9mil. Now do they Ravens value him that much? We'll see soon.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

I just don't understand this guy is good but not great he disappears for games at times and takes plays off overpay this guy and be set back 3 or 4 years

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

cant afford to lose this guy... our run D will struggle like our Pass D struggles without Jimmy... we should sell everyone and cut everyone to keep this guy..DO NOT BE STUPID BALTIMORE

We can afford to lose this guy we got ran on with him in the game this year he takes plays off doesn't sake the QB and at times disappears he's good but not great

[Steve32]

I just don't understand this guy is good but not great he disappears for games at times and takes plays off overpay this guy and be set back 3 or 4 years

Sounds as if you are referring to Timmy Jernigan, not Brandon Williams. We need to keep Williams.

[Azzi22]

  57 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

cant afford to lose this guy... our run D will struggle like our Pass D struggles without Jimmy... we should sell everyone and cut everyone to keep this guy..DO NOT BE STUPID BALTIMORE

I said the same thing about Boldin and I like to think I was right about that, but I think we have too many holes to fill to throw all of our cap space at Williams. Plus we have a promising backup for that position so there might be that much drop off if he walks.

promising backup? pierce? hahahahah come on .. don't kid yourself.. davis/urban/henry/pierce... none of them are a quarter of what Brandon is

[bluehen]

He is one of the good guys, keep him!

[Ravensfansince03]

Am I the only one who thinks this guy is overrated?

Edited February 1 by Ravensfansince03
Missed question mark

[n#7]

Am I the only one who thinks this guy is overrated.

Far from it.

[The Greek]

  1 hour ago, jetskireid said:

  1 hour ago, Azzi22 said:

cant afford to lose this guy... our run D will struggle like our Pass D struggles without Jimmy... we should sell everyone and cut everyone to keep this guy..DO NOT BE STUPID BALTIMORE

I said the same thing about Boldin and I like to think I was right about that, but I think we have too many holes to fill to throw all of our cap space at Williams. Plus we have a promising backup for that position so there might be that much drop off if he walks.

promising backup? pierce? hahahahah come on .. don't kid yourself.. davis/urban/henry/pierce... none of them are a quarter of what Brandon is

i have to agree with you. pierce as a 3 down player over a full season is a big ??? and jernigans dominant start to the season fizzled as the season wore on. williams is the real deal but we cannot break the cap space on him. hopefully he can be retained without keeping us from filling other holes

[RavensDieHard21]

Lol let us just beat these topics to death shall we? 

A serious offer would be 5Yr $38-41 million. 

Ozzie with his frugal ways will say "Hey Brandon, ready for a solid offer? How about 5Yr $31 million." 

There will be no counter and bam he is gone. 

[crazyboutravens]

I think this cap situation is a bunch of crap. All teams are supposed to spend a
certain percentage and they don't. We do and it always hurts us so we have to
let players walk. I am willing to bet the NFL lets certain teams spend as little as
they want and pocket the balance. Another Roger problem.

[Crusader]

Since Orr retired Ravens can't afford to have another hole open up on the team. Again, this all comes back to picking players either as starters or backups and those "lost draft years" are coming back to haunt the Ravens..

[Drew P]

IF he accepts they need a guy next to him that can get penetrate into the backfield. Jernigan vanished in thin air after week 7. Those other duds are the tall angular guys that get stood up at the point of attack and hop up in a failed attempt to swat the ball

[Crusader]

Am I the only one who thinks this guy is overrated?

No

[hen826957]

The Ravens could've kept Courtney Upshaw but want a draft pick instead SMH.

Edited February 1 by hen826957

[fusuymada]

Love Williams but Like KO there is going to be one team that is going to have an outrageous amount of money to throw at him and he would be a fool to turn it down and we simply can't afford to compete. With a 120 million dollar QB contract that should be about 75 mil. that would allow us some flexibility. Flacco has all the money that even the worst financial managers needs to maintain 15 generations of Flacco's so it is time he gave back to the team who has so generously given him a big pay day. Is he a Ravens player or is he chasing money. I think this is what we need to determine before this season starts. This is not asking too much I just think its the facts ma'am.

[bigcatfrank1]

A "very comeptitive offer" will be worth sweet little as soon as there's an organization willing to overpay him - and there will be. I'm quite sure Williams will receive offers Ozzie wouldn't match - let alone overbid - even if we had the cap space - which we don't...

First, this year the Ravens actually have the Cap space, unlike the KO deal /year. 8 Mill a year for 5 years 5/40 would probably do it The Ravens can afford that even 42 if they had to. KO went for 12.
The Ravens can also keep Wagner at 5.5 Mil./4 years
3 players go- Doom- Zuttah - Aiken there's your 13.5 mil cap space
I would gladly take that career move exchange .

[TheConquerorWorm]

Lol let us just beat these topics to death shall we? 

A serious offer would be 5Yr $38-41 million. 

Ozzie with his frugal ways will say "Hey Brandon, ready for a solid offer? How about 5Yr $31 million." 

There will be no counter and bam he is gone. 

That's not true. Ozzie offered to make KO the highest paid guard in the league (more than Yanda). Instead, the Raiders paid him top 5 LT money.

Plus, it's the guaranteed money that really matters. Flacco got $40 million, Romo got $55 million, Cam Newton(worse ranking than Flacco this year) got $60 million, Andrew Luck got $60-87 million, Russell Wilson got $60 million. NT Snacks got 5yr - 46Million $24 million guaranteed. I think an offer of 5 years $45 million with $25 million guaranteed gets it done unless another team with beaucoup cap space comes in with 5 yr - $50+ million offer.

[rmcjacket23]

The Ravens could've kept Courtney Upshaw but want a draft pick instead SMH.

LOL, what does Courtney Upshaw do well?

Do you fans realize that he really doesn't play that much for the Falcons? Like literally like a quarter of the defensive snaps.

Hes kind of irrelevant. Not even sure what position you think he would play on this team anyway.

[rmcjacket23]

I think this cap situation is a bunch of crap. All teams are supposed to spend a
certain percentage and they don't. We do and it always hurts us so we have to
let players walk. I am willing to bet the NFL lets certain teams spend as little as
they want and pocket the balance. Another Roger problem.

There's a salary floor, but its evaluated over like a 3-5 year period.

Up to teams if they want to spend less. Less payroll = more profit. Most of the time, the teams that spent up to or close to the gap tend to put a better product on the field.

In 2016, out of the 10 teams that spent the least amount of cap space, only 2 of them made the playoffs (Raiders and Packers), and both of those teams spent within $10M of the cap. Four teams had more than $20M in cap space at the end of 2016, and they were the Browns, 49ers, Jags and Titans. I don't need to add anything further to that.

2015 wasn't much different. 7 teams had over $10M in cap space at the end of 2015, and none of them made the playoffs.

[rmcjacket23]

  2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

A "very comeptitive offer" will be worth sweet little as soon as there's an organization willing to overpay him - and there will be. I'm quite sure Williams will receive offers Ozzie wouldn't match - let alone overbid - even if we had the cap space - which we don't...

First, this year the Ravens actually have the Cap space, unlike the KO deal /year. 8 Mill a year for 5 years 5/40 would probably do it The Ravens can afford that even 42 if they had to. KO went for 12.
The Ravens can also keep Wagner at 5.5 Mil./4 years
3 players go- Doom- Zuttah - Aiken there's your 13.5 mil cap space
I would gladly take that career move exchange .

No scenario where Wagner signs for $5.5M. I wouldn't even listen to an offer that doesn't have a $7M/year in front of it. That's likely the floor in any discussions.

And Aiken is a UFA, so we don't gain any cap space by letting him go. You can cut Doom and Zuttah, and we probably will, though you'll also need to sign a Center via the draft or FA, which will cut into that number.

You also have some more players who will be looking for extensions in the near future, such as Mosley, Jernigan, etc.

[rmcjacket23]

  54 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Lol let us just beat these topics to death shall we? 

A serious offer would be 5Yr $38-41 million. 

Ozzie with his frugal ways will say "Hey Brandon, ready for a solid offer? How about 5Yr $31 million." 

There will be no counter and bam he is gone. 

That's not true. Ozzie offered to make KO the highest paid guard in the league (more than Yanda). Instead, the Raiders paid him top 5 LT money.

Plus, it's the guaranteed money that really matters. Flacco got $40 million, Romo got $55 million, Cam Newton(worse ranking than Flacco this year) got $60 million, Andrew Luck got $60-87 million, Russell Wilson got $60 million. NT Snacks got 5yr - 46Million $24 million guaranteed. I think an offer of 5 years $45 million with $25 million guaranteed gets it done unless another team with beaucoup cap space comes in with 5 yr - $50+ million offer.

Glad to see you've finally come down from the "Williams is going to get Malik Jackson-type money" warpath you've been on for several months now...

[RavensDieHard21]

26 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

That's not true. Ozzie offered to make KO the highest paid guard in the league (more than Yanda). Instead, the Raiders paid him top 5 LT money.

Plus, it's the guaranteed money that really matters. Flacco got $40 million, Romo got $55 million, Cam Newton(worse ranking than Flacco this year) got $60 million, Andrew Luck got $60-87 million, Russell Wilson got $60 million. NT Snacks got 5yr - 46Million $24 million guaranteed. I think an offer of 5 years $45 million with $25 million guaranteed gets it done unless another team with beaucoup cap space comes in with 5 yr - $50+ million offer.
 

Lmao I'm not referencing KO. Ozzie actually did make KO a very good offer, but I think KO was far more valuable. I hope he gets around that $40 million with at least 20 guaranteed. I think that will get the deal done. 

[jetskireid]

  2 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

  2 hours ago, jetskireid said:

  3 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

cant afford to lose this guy... our run D will struggle like our Pass D struggles without Jimmy... we should sell everyone and cut everyone to keep this guy..DO NOT BE STUPID BALTIMORE

I said the same thing about Boldin and I like to think I was right about that, but I think we have too many holes to fill to throw all of our cap space at Williams. Plus we have a promising backup for that position so there might be that much drop off if he walks.

promising backup? pierce? hahahahah come on .. don't kid yourself.. davis/urban/henry/pierce... none of them are a quarter of what Brandon is

i have to agree with you. pierce as a 3 down player over a full season is a big ??? and jernigans dominant start to the season fizzled as the season wore on. williams is the real deal but we cannot break the cap space on him. hopefully he can be retained without keeping us from filling other holes

yeah but Williams isn't a 3 down player either.

[Tower of Power]

Williams is staying. If I'm Ozzie and DeCosta, I mean, Williams isn't going nowhere.

[billiejean]

16 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

17 hours ago, hen826957 said:

The Ravens could've kept Courtney Upshaw but want a draft pick instead SMH.

LOL, what does Courtney Upshaw do well?

Do you fans realize that he really doesn't play that much for the Falcons? Like literally like a quarter of the defensive snaps.

Hes kind of irrelevant. Not even sure what position you think he would play on this team anyway.

Now come on jacket lets be fair.  He is really good at gaining weight during the off season, and coming into camp out of shape. I don't think he had to put on much weight when he converted to DT. A friend showed me his rookie season highlights the other day, and I gotta say I was a little taken aback. He looks like a totally different player. I remember him making some of those plays back then, but I completely forgot how athletic he looked when making them. I also forgot about his hustle that year, and that he had the ability to run down plays from the backside.  I don't think Courtney would have caused that .LaMichael James fumble in the Super Bowl in his second year.  Each year that he played for us he must have gained about 3 pounds, and as the weight increased his mobility decreased. And that wasn't a huge deal because his role was primarily focused on setting the edge, but I think if he would have kept the weight off he could have contributed more in passing situations.

 

Edited February 2 by billiejean