Who are you taking Round 1?

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, Italian Raven said:

I'm not sure he would make an 'awful pick at 16' but I think he's been overhyped. Don't get why he's considered a lock in the top 15.

Not like I would be that disappointed after all.. I just like other prospects better (Laws who's not even in the poll, Wilson, Takk).

I didn't put Lawson only because of his extensive injury history. He just seems more like a trade up from the second kinda guy, plus I wasn't sure how many choices to give lol

[rossihunter2]

52 minutes ago, Stevin said:

None of that is true.

you sound a little like donald trump

[RavensFanMania]

My top choice at the is point if we stay at 16 is Derek Barnett.  That being said we have just under 3 months left until the draft and I suspect my mind will change several times.  I also haven't watched much tape of the players.  Only what I saw during the season and maybe some highlights.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

31 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

you sound a little like donald trump

Not to argue or to go political... but why, because he disagreed?

The post he was replying to use the same exact phrase about his opinion. 

This is the kind of thing that drives me nuts, both claim opinion as fact and a differing opinion as flat out wrong.... people say nothing about the opinion they agree with - the one you disagree with ---TRUMP.

 

Not really directed at you... just a general comment on the state of conversation/debate online these days.

 

"Admitted slow starter who has had issues with sluggishness to start a season. Will overthink it at times rather than just reacting. Can be undisciplined with guessing snap count and taking penalties. Change-of-direction issues typical of a broad-waisted big man. Struggles to redirect movements suddenly once momentum starts rolling downhill. Quarterbacks with pocket mobility can elude him. Substantially more twitch in hands than in feet. Feet are average. Initial burst upfield is average. Times snap count to help with his get-off. Aggressive forward charge opens him up to cut blocks. Long stride creates base inconsistencies at point of attack. Length is a concern. Can he still win without decisive, early victories with his hands? Loops to quarterback are rounded and might need a winning, inside counter move as a pro."

A snippet on his weaknesses... which seems to suggest this scout thinks he doesnt have great instincts, is undisciplined off the snap, etc.... 

This is not really my opinion either. Just saying, this is someone's opinion who studies these guys for a living... and shares similar sentiments to the guy you're calling "Trump" for disagreeing.

Edited February 1 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[trevorsteadman]

48 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

My top choice at the is point if we stay at 16 is Derek Barnett.  That being said we have just under 3 months left until the draft and I suspect my mind will change several times.  I also haven't watched much tape of the players.  Only what I saw during the season and maybe some highlights.

I really don't know why people like Barnett I really think he is going to fall. I would rather have a bunch of other guys than him. He has the stats but he doesn't jump off tape for me. But I am a huge Charles Harris supporter so what do I know.

[Stevin]

30 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Will overthink it at times rather than just reacting.

Can be undisciplined with guessing snap count and taking penalties.

Change-of-direction issues typical of a broad-waisted big man.

Struggles to redirect movements suddenly once momentum starts rolling downhill.

Quarterbacks with pocket mobility can elude him.

Substantially more twitch in hands than in feet. Feet are average.

Initial burst upfield is average.

he knows what he's talking about ) looks like he is great expert )

[Dubs]

If Solomon Thomas is there I would not be able to pass on him

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Stevin said:

None of that is true.

Yes it is and the film supports it. 

His step doesn't have to be the fastest in the class for it to be good.

He doesn't have to sprint across field and chase down a sweep from the backside to be a good run defender, as a matter of fact it's better to stay home and pinch the backside and tighten up lanes.

not sure what you mean by instincts but he times the snap well, he knows run vs pass, he hits he right throwing lanes on his zone drops, he executes the bend as soon as he gets a step past the tackle, and he can dart inside when the tackle overcommits to the edge. 

I honestly have no idea what you're referring to with Barnett 

[January J]

If we stay put ideally I'd take Jones. If he's gone then Wilson. If theyre both gone I'd trade back for Feeney.

Only way I'm trading  up is if Mike Williams falls to 12 or 13 and all we have to give up is our comp 3rd and a fifth.

[January J]

Can we hope a picture of Myles Garret with a marijuana gas mask on Leaks 10 minutes prior to the draft? Don't think we'd pass this time!

[RaineV1]

For guys that could realistically be there, I'm sticking with Harris. His explosive burst is just pretty rare, and not something you can find elsewhere. Even if he doesn't put up big sack numbers (though I think he will), he will be able to force a lot of early and bad throws.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Not to argue or to go political... but why, because he disagreed?

The post he was replying to use the same exact phrase about his opinion. 

This is the kind of thing that drives me nuts, both claim opinion as fact and a differing opinion as flat out wrong.... people say nothing about the opinion they agree with - the one you disagree with ---TRUMP.

 

Not really directed at you... just a general comment on the state of conversation/debate online these days.

 

"Admitted slow starter who has had issues with sluggishness to start a season. Will overthink it at times rather than just reacting. Can be undisciplined with guessing snap count and taking penalties. Change-of-direction issues typical of a broad-waisted big man. Struggles to redirect movements suddenly once momentum starts rolling downhill. Quarterbacks with pocket mobility can elude him. Substantially more twitch in hands than in feet. Feet are average. Initial burst upfield is average. Times snap count to help with his get-off. Aggressive forward charge opens him up to cut blocks. Long stride creates base inconsistencies at point of attack. Length is a concern. Can he still win without decisive, early victories with his hands? Loops to quarterback are rounded and might need a winning, inside counter move as a pro."

A snippet on his weaknesses... which seems to suggest this scout thinks he doesnt have great instincts, is undisciplined off the snap, etc.... 

This is not really my opinion either. Just saying, this is someone's opinion who studies these guys for a living... and shares similar sentiments to the guy you're calling "Trump" for disagreeing.

Some of those are just not really true though. For instance saying he struggles to change direction when he turns the corner better than anyone in the class, he dips his shoulder at full speed and bends the edge losing next to no momentum, that is literally the exact trait that makes him better than the far more athletic edge guys like Williams and Harris, he has a way more balanced and flexible bend and that is obvious on tape. Scouts exaggerate and make mistakes as well, especially some of the ones from the so called draft gurus.

I admit he doesn't have an elite first step, but it's not bad at all, inconsistent at times, and on occasion he'll false start, but he anticipates properly more often than not. 

[Stevin]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Scouts exaggerate and make mistakes as well

but not you , right? )

 

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Not to argue or to go political... but why, because he disagreed?

The post he was replying to use the same exact phrase about his opinion. 

This is the kind of thing that drives me nuts, both claim opinion as fact and a differing opinion as flat out wrong.... people say nothing about the opinion they agree with - the one you disagree with ---TRUMP.

 

Not really directed at you... just a general comment on the state of conversation/debate online these days.

 

"Admitted slow starter who has had issues with sluggishness to start a season. Will overthink it at times rather than just reacting. Can be undisciplined with guessing snap count and taking penalties. Change-of-direction issues typical of a broad-waisted big man. Struggles to redirect movements suddenly once momentum starts rolling downhill. Quarterbacks with pocket mobility can elude him. Substantially more twitch in hands than in feet. Feet are average. Initial burst upfield is average. Times snap count to help with his get-off. Aggressive forward charge opens him up to cut blocks. Long stride creates base inconsistencies at point of attack. Length is a concern. Can he still win without decisive, early victories with his hands? Loops to quarterback are rounded and might need a winning, inside counter move as a pro."

A snippet on his weaknesses... which seems to suggest this scout thinks he doesnt have great instincts, is undisciplined off the snap, etc.... 

This is not really my opinion either. Just saying, this is someone's opinion who studies these guys for a living... and shares similar sentiments to the guy you're calling "Trump" for disagreeing.

i quoted the wrong comment - the one before just reminded me of trump's speech patterns

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Stevin said:

but not you , right? )

 

Never said anything of the sort. Where is all this aggression coming from? 

[RavensDieHard21]

6 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

My top choice at the is point if we stay at 16 is Derek Barnett.  That being said we have just under 3 months left until the draft and I suspect my mind will change several times.  I also haven't watched much tape of the players.  Only what I saw during the season and maybe some highlights.

I picked Lattimore, but Barnett is option 1B. I just think he has all the tools to be a lock down corner. To deploy three top corners can wreck an offense's day. Denver knows the benefits with Talib, Harris and Robey. 

Watch his tape. Very feisty, good size, very solid tackler, can mirror the WR, anticipates routes and has good recovery speed. Even his ball skills seem to be very good.

[Stevin]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Never said anything of the sort. Where is all this aggression coming from? 

 you're basically saying "he's good...he's good...he's good..." and "film supports it".

well we all watched films and "he's not...he's not...he's not...".  and a lot of  "so called draft gurus"  agree with me.

it's not aggression , it's just really funny to me.  our opinion based on  that films. but you telling me that only you can see it right.

[January J]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Never said anything of the sort. Where is all this aggression coming from? 

Yeah man you've been rufflin alot of feathers lately! Lol beats me..

[JoeyFlex5]

26 minutes ago, Stevin said:

 you're basically saying "he's good...he's good...he's good..." and "film supports it".

well we all watched films and "he's not...he's not...he's not...".  and a lot of  "so called draft gurus"  agree with me.

it's not aggression , it's just really funny to me.  our opinion based on  that films. but you telling me that only you can see it right.

Yeah so many draft gurus agree that Barnett is not good. Have you been under a rock?

[ravensnation5220]

40 minutes ago, Stevin said:

 you're basically saying "he's good...he's good...he's good..." and "film supports it".

well we all watched films and "he's not...he's not...he's not...".  and a lot of  "so called draft gurus"  agree with me.

it's not aggression , it's just really funny to me.  our opinion based on  that films. but you telling me that only you can see it right.

So I guess the guy who held the Tennessee sack record before Barnett was no good either.....what was his name? Oh right, Reggie white. Guess all those lineman must've moved out of Barnett's way for 3 years since hes just "not good". 

[Stevin]

16 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

So I guess the guy who held the Tennessee sack record before Barnett was no good either.....what was his name? Oh right, Reggie white. Guess all those lineman must've moved out of Barnett's way for 3 years since hes just "not good". 

well.. he is not SO good. i didn't said he's bad.) i think he will be solid starter , reliable 4-3 de , but not elite pass rusher. that's why he's not top-10 pick. that's how i see it , my opinion... u know  

off course i'm not sure about that . who knows for sure ? mb you? )

[Gruntled Ravens Fan]

1 hour ago, Stevin said:

well.. he is not SO good. i didn't said he's bad.) i think he will be solid starter , reliable 4-3 de , but not elite pass rusher. that's why he's not top-10 pick. that's how i see it , my opinion... u know  

off course i'm not sure about that . who knows for sure ? mb you? )

"Solid starter, reliable 4-3 de" we need a solid starter on defense outside of Weddle and Moseley. I see nothing wrong with taking him at #16, though my preference would be Feeney.

[ravensnation5220]

3 hours ago, Stevin said:

well.. he is not SO good. i didn't said he's bad.) i think he will be solid starter , reliable 4-3 de , but not elite pass rusher. that's why he's not top-10 pick. that's how i see it , my opinion... u know  

off course i'm not sure about that . who knows for sure ? mb you? )

I respect your opinion never said you were wrong, I just don't agree, that's the beauty of an opinion. I see how people can dismay his sack production and I agree, He doesn't have the great athleticism or prototype body for the position however neither did suggs, yet they both produced at a high level. In my eyes, if you can get sacks in college consistently, you can do so in the pro's 

Like I said I respect your opinion, were all entitled to one. I have my reasons anx you have yours. At the end of the day one of us will be wrong.

[PurpleCity5]

Given what DeCosta and Horitz said, I think WR is absolutely in the cards in the first round. We might even take one over a CB. 

[ravensnation5220]

26 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Given what DeCosta and Horitz said, I think WR is absolutely in the cards in the first round. We might even take one over a CB. 

Take it with a grain of salt. They said the Same things last year when asked about Stanley and tunsil "we think there are a lot of good offensive lineman in the middle rounds" yet we picked Stanley round 1. 

Edited February 2 by ravensnation5220

[RavensDieHard21]

It's all smoke and mirrors here. I think only Williams would be out first pick of he were magically there. I like Davis a lot and would not be mad if we took him but I think someone else ranked higher on our board will be there 

[RavensFanMania]

16 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I picked Lattimore, but Barnett is option 1B. I just think he has all the tools to be a lock down corner. To deploy three top corners can wreck an offense's day. Denver knows the benefits with Talib, Harris and Robey. 

Watch his tape. Very feisty, good size, very solid tackler, can mirror the WR, anticipates routes and has good recovery speed. Even his ball skills seem to be very good.

I agree having three lockdown cbs would make it difficult for offenses, but a big reason Denvers three are so good is because of the pass rush.  Not saying they couldn't be good without it, but definitely not as good.

[January J]

10 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Given what DeCosta and Horitz said, I think WR is absolutely in the cards in the first round. We might even take one over a CB. 

I disagree. What I gathered from the recent interviews was that corner and o-line are of equal priority followed by pass rusher. I got the impression that receiver will be addressed thru FA. Esp with perriman and Moore looking to take that next step. I'd even venture to say RB will be a priority over receiver in the draft. After bringing roman in we are going to get back to being ALOT more balanced. That said- ofcourse if the BPA is a receiver and mike Williams falls in our lap or Cooper kupp in the second- that changes things quite a bit. Always based on how the board falls but going in I'm assuming a corner, pass rusher and OL are taken in rounds 1-3. Probably take a receiver with the comp from KO.

Edited February 2 by January J

[RavensDieHard21]

18 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

I agree having three lockdown cbs would make it difficult for offenses, but a big reason Denvers three are so good is because of the pass rush.  Not saying they couldn't be good without it, but definitely not as good.

Each compliments the others. We just need one side to take over lol. whether it be coverage sacks or a pass rush that forces bad decisions, I'll take either😎 I'm sure we are all tired of seeing blown 4th quarter leads.  

[PurpleCity5]

3 hours ago, January J said:

I disagree. What I gathered from the recent interviews was that corner and o-line are of equal priority followed by pass rusher. I got the impression that receiver will be addressed thru FA. Esp with perriman and Moore looking to take that next step. I'd even venture to say RB will be a priority over receiver in the draft. After bringing roman in we are going to get back to being ALOT more balanced. That said- ofcourse if the BPA is a receiver and mike Williams falls in our lap or Cooper kupp in the second- that changes things quite a bit. Always based on how the board falls but going in I'm assuming a corner, pass rusher and OL are taken in rounds 1-3. Probably take a receiver with the comp from KO.

I think what they believe this offense is missing is a play-maker. Of course this is assuming that we don't make the move of getting a WR via FA or in the very least get one who is a #3 at best.  We can surely get one via the draft why not if we fill in the CB/OLB via FA? Who says that's not possible? Mike Wallace is getting up there in age and Breshad Perriman is heading towards year 3 of his rookie year deal with year 5 option being questionable as to whether its picked up. Mike Williams would be a much welcomed addition. 

I'm not saying that we'll pick one period, but if a guy like Mike Williams or Cory Davis(If so desired) falls to our lap then I think its very possible we take them over a CB/OLB. 

Also, DeCosta said this so many times and he said it again, "when you need a play, the guy is there to make a play". The Ravens need play-makers and I think the Ravens want them regardless of their position and it feels like play-maker is the highest priority.