[News] Late For Work 1/31: Mel Kiper Says Ravens Should Pursue Veteran Receiver. Who's Out There?

[rmcjacket23]

That's the problem with us and it starting to become a routine, we always sign a player when they are 3 years away from retirement. I want them to go after a prime receiver one time. We should've gotten Brandon Marshall years ago when the Dolphins got him for just a 6 round pick and was in his prime now in his 30's when retirement about to come we want him. While we traded and 4th and 5th round pick for Boldin that year, we could traded a 6th for Marshall as well and could've had Joe dominant weapons. Most of those low picks aren't making the roster anyway, so l would do it at that time. We still would've had the first 3 picks in 2010.

You're not remembering this correctly. Marshall was traded to the Dolphins from the Broncos for two 2nd round picks, not a 6th rounder. He also signed the richest deal for any WR ever at that time.

He was traded a year later to Chicago for two 3rd round picks, and was traded to the Jets for a 5th rounder in 2015.

Not sure where you got your information from, but its inaccurate.

[Chuckx999]

I love TF Howard from Ala. All he does is play hard, every play. The TE's Ozzie has drafted are a bust except Pinta, when he's healthy. Start with Howard,then O line, add 2 CB's, one Ala. Linebacker and a BIG RB.
Stop signing the old castoff's from other teams. Use the draft, trade up and trade picks, even one or two for 2018, 2019. Players must be FAST.

[Halshayeji]

Moving for B Marshall makes a lot of sense. 7.5 million for a top 10 WR is a sweet deal and the FO can work around it. Even if it's for one year. Il gladly give up a 7th or 6th if that's what it takes. Why wait for the jets to cut him and then compete with every other team to sign him?

You like him? Go get him! 

[hen826957]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

You're not remembering this correctly. Marshall was traded to the Dolphins from the Broncos for two 2nd round picks, not a 6th rounder. He also signed the richest deal for any WR ever at that time.

He was traded a year later to Chicago for two 3rd round picks, and was traded to the Jets for a 5th rounder in 2015.

Not sure where you got your information from, but its inaccurate.

RMC your right my apologies... just search the Dophins deal and they traded thier 2010 & 2011 second round picks for him. I still would enjoy made the deal anyway, yeah we wouldn't have 2 second rounds picks but l still do it LOL. Bet you gonna say about the cap situation that year right? 

[rmcjacket23]

15 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

RMC your right my apologies... just search the Dophins deal and they traded thier 2010 & 2011 second round picks for him. I still would enjoy made the deal anyway, yeah we wouldn't have 2 second rounds picks but l still do it LOL. Bet you gonna say about the cap situation that year right? 

Or any year. You're talking about two 2nd round picks AND an additional $5M a year for several years.

No thanks.

If you look at their statistics comparatively, you'd basically pay $5M a year for 33 catches, 364 yards, and 2 TDs. That's the average annual difference in production between Marshall and Boldin from 2010-2012.

I wouldn't pay $5M a year and two higher draft picks up front for that.

Edited February 1 by rmcjacket23

[hen826957]

35 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Or any year. You're talking about two 2nd round picks AND an additional $5M a year for several years.

No thanks.

If you look at their statistics comparatively, you'd basically pay $5M a year for 33 catches, 364 yards, and 2 TDs. That's the average annual difference in production between Marshall and Boldin from 2010-2012.

I wouldn't pay $5M a year and two higher draft picks up front for that.

The only thing we would miss if we traded the 2 second rounds picks would be Torrey Smith which he was drafted by the second round in 2011. But hey, l just wish that the Ravens take a gamble sometimes to get elite talent. You see when the Falcons trades picks to the Browns for what a 1st, 2nd, 4th rounds pick to get Julio Jones. If the Ravens want to prove they are serious about getting elite talent then they should take gambles and risks. 

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

The only thing we would miss if we traded the 2 second rounds picks would be Torrey Smith which he was drafted by the second round in 2011. But hey, l just wish that the Ravens take a gamble sometimes to get elite talent. You see when the Falcons trades picks to the Browns for what a 1st, 2nd, 4th rounds pick to get Julio Jones. If the Ravens want to prove they are serious about getting elite talent then they should take gambles and risks. 

Well and we'd miss the $5M a year, which could be spent on other players. Could easily have prevented us from signing somebody else. Maybe it costs us Dumervil or somebody else. No way of knowing, but we do know we'd have significantly less money to spend on players, and we already didn't have a ton to spend on players at that time.

Referencing the Julio trade really has nothing to do with it. Its literally taken six years for that trade to payoff in terms of the success you want from that deal, and he's certainly not even the biggest reason they are in the position they are in. He's a great player, but he's been a great player for several years now, including many seasons when the Falcons simply weren't any good.

They're not even close to being in the SB because they have one great receiver. They've got a good QB, they've got two very diverse and skilled RBs, they've got a good offensive line, they've got explosive WRs all over the offense, and they've got a defense that gets to the QB.

Its not like anybody really thinks that Julio Jones is the main reason why they are in the SB. He's merely a factor, just like any individual player is on a SB team.

[hen826957]

Well... l'm not putting words on others fans but l wouldn't just take risks all the time but sometimes. If they guy has talent and still up there on the board and have to give up a 2nd, 3rd or whatever l do it. Most of the time Ozzie won't do it; instead he would trade back, get more picks, and the picks don't even make the roster. I just like to see them do it and see what happens if there an opportunity a talented player still around. Your right about fans get upset when it doesn't turn out right.

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, hen826957 said:

Well... l'm not putting words on others fans but l wouldn't just take risks all the time but sometimes. If they guy has talent and still up there on the board and have to give up a 2nd, 3rd or whatever l do it. Most of the time Ozzie won't do it; instead he would trade back, get more picks, and the picks don't even make the roster. I just like to see them do it and see what happens if there an opportunity a talented player still around. Your right about fans get upset when it doesn't turn out right.

1. Ozzie doesn't trade back that often, especially in the first round. That's a myth.

2. There's tons of players that have talent. There's multiple "analysts" or "experts" who will like every single player taken in the 1st round every year.

3. Obviously, if you want a player like Julio, its going to cost a lot more than just a 2nd and a 3rd. Jones was traded for 2 1st, 1 2s, and 2 4s.

Its going to be very, very, very, very hard for anybody to outperform in total the output that 4 players would provide with those draft picks. Heck, you can whiff entirely on 2 of them and I'd still argue that 2 good players are worth as much as 1 great player, especially when that great player plays a position like WR. We aren't talking about trading for Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers here. He's still a receiver. They're important, but they're not that important.

I'm all for taking risks... as long as the risks pay off. Because when you take a risk like that, it MUST pay off. If it doesn't, you get fired. Its as simple as that.

 

[Drew P]

27 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

Well... l'm not putting words on others fans but l wouldn't just take risks all the time but sometimes. If they guy has talent and still up there on the board and have to give up a 2nd, 3rd or whatever l do it. Most of the time Ozzie won't do it; instead he would trade back, get more picks, and the picks don't even make the roster. I just like to see them do it and see what happens if there an opportunity a talented player still around. Your right about fans get upset when it doesn't turn out right.

I believe they were trying to work a deal and trade w/DAL last year to select Ramsey. The purported narrative was JJ was certain the Ravens wanted Zeke.

[hen826957]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

3 hours ago, hen826957 said:

Well... l'm not putting words on others fans but l wouldn't just take risks all the time but sometimes. If they guy has talent and still up there on the board and have to give up a 2nd, 3rd or whatever l do it. Most of the time Ozzie won't do it; instead he would trade back, get more picks, and the picks don't even make the roster. I just like to see them do it and see what happens if there an opportunity a talented player still around. Your right about fans get upset when it doesn't turn out right.

1. Ozzie doesn't trade back that often, especially in the first round. That's a myth.

2. There's tons of players that have talent. There's multiple "analysts" or "experts" who will like every single player taken in the 1st round every year.

3. Obviously, if you want a player like Julio, its going to cost a lot more than just a 2nd and a 3rd. Jones was traded for 2 1st, 1 2s, and 2 4s.

Its going to be very, very, very, very hard for anybody to outperform in total the output that 4 players would provide with those draft picks. Heck, you can whiff entirely on 2 of them and I'd still argue that 2 good players are worth as much as 1 great player, especially when that great player plays a position like WR. We aren't talking about trading for Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers here. He's still a receiver. They're important, but they're not that important.

I'm all for taking risks... as long as the risks pay off. Because when you take a risk like that, it MUST pay off. If it doesn't, you get fired. Its as simple as that.

 

Ozzie did trade back a lot in the last couple of years didn't have to be in the first but in second, third round and so forth when talent was still available on the board. I wouldn't trade all my picks for one player; yeah it was risky what the Falcons did they had faith and it work out. All l'm saying is sometimes a talent player is still on the board and have to trade picks or have some character issues in college l'll take a chance. We defined miss a lot of talent players because the front office didn't want to take a risk on character players because of Ray Rice.

Edited February 1 by hen826957

[hen826957]

  1 hour ago, hen826957 said:

Well... l'm not putting words on others fans but l wouldn't just take risks all the time but sometimes. If they guy has talent and still up there on the board and have to give up a 2nd, 3rd or whatever l do it. Most of the time Ozzie won't do it; instead he would trade back, get more picks, and the picks don't even make the roster. I just like to see them do it and see what happens if there an opportunity a talented player still around. Your right about fans get upset when it doesn't turn out right.

I believe they were trying to work a deal and trade w/DAL last year to select Ramsey. The purported narrative was JJ was certain the Ravens wanted Zeke.

Yep they did Drew. l like Ramsey but Stanley was the pick we needed.

[rmcjacket23]

8 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

Ozzie did trade back a lot in the last couple of years didn't have to be in the first but in second, third round and so forth when talent was still available on the board. I wouldn't trade all my picks for one player; yeah it was risky what the Falcons did they had faith and it work out. All l'm saying is sometimes a talent player is still on the board and have to trade picks or have some domestic issues in college l'll take a chance. We defined miss a lot of talent players because the front office didn't want to take a risk on domestic players because of Ray Rice.

1. Most teams do a lot of trades after day 1. Ravens are no different.

2. Fans only identify talent after they see them show talent. The draft is basically one large crap shoot. I can say for certainty that 100% of fans on this board (myself included) will identify a list of players that they view as "talented" and a good amount of that list will turn out to not be very good football players at the NFL or level or at least not live up to their draft position.

3. Who were the talented players that the Ravens voluntarily passed on because of domestic violence issues? Please provide some names to go along with that, because I can't really think of any.

[hen826957]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Most teams do a lot of trades after day 1. Ravens are no different.

2. Fans only identify talent after they see them show talent. The draft is basically one large crap shoot. I can say for certainty that 100% of fans on this board (myself included) will identify a list of players that they view as "talented" and a good amount of that list will turn out to not be very good football players at the NFL or level or at least not live up to their draft position.

3. Who were the talented players that the Ravens voluntarily passed on because of domestic violence issues? Please provide some names to go along with that, because I can't really think of any.

Sorry l meant character issues or concerns is what l'm thinkin LOL. I can't think of any players right now because l'm studying but one thing on the top of my head l could think of is Noah Spence. He had 5.5. Sacks that we could've use along with Judon. We could've drafted him in the second round but Ozzie decides to trade back and take Correa probably with character issues. I hope Correa can step up this year. I might not reply back tonight. 

[rmcjacket23]

14 hours ago, hen826957 said:

Sorry l meant character issues or concerns is what l'm thinkin LOL. I can't think of any players right now because l'm studying but one thing on the top of my head l could think of is Noah Spence. He had 5.5. Sacks that we could've use along with Judon. We could've drafted him in the second round but Ozzie decides to trade back and take Correa probably with character issues. I hope Correa can step up this year. I might not reply back tonight. 

Or we picked Correa because we thought he was the better player. And its entirely possible that still might be true in the long run.