[News] Late For Work 1/31: Mel Kiper Says Ravens Should Pursue Veteran Receiver. Who's Out There?

[mendii]

If Marshall winds up a free agent as a cut/cap casualty, signing him is a perfect Ozzie Newsome move. Actually, I think it's a great move for both sides. Marshall gets to be on a team with real playoff potential and a locker room culture that allows players to fully be themselves, while the Ravens get a proven and big receiver who makes insanely tough catches and holds himself and his teammates accountable in the locker room. The Ravens love guys like this, 10 year vets who were hotheads early in their careers and have since become more introspective and team-oriented. Also, there'd be a UCF connection between him and Perriman. I know I'd love to have him on board.

[Drew P]

They had a chain mover in Aiken and they didn't use him. Probably speaks to a large issue of a dysfunctional offense.

[rmcjacket23]

They had a chain mover in Aiken and they didn't use him. Probably speaks to a large issue of a dysfunctional offense.

Well it also doesn't help when he can't beat out his competition for playing time.

Probably speaks largely about just how good a receiver he really is.

[Crusader]

Perriman is gonna ball out next year.

Its time. No more excuses and I bet he will do a lot better since its getting closer to contract time.

[Adreme]

1 hour ago, Crusader said:

Its time. No more excuses and I bet he will do a lot better since its getting closer to contract time.

Being essentially less than rookie with no training camp is just a reality not an excuse.  

[metalraven]

  5 hours ago, dirtybird66 said:

they only need to look 30 miles south in DC. PIERRE CARCONE or DESHAWN JACKSON will be let go in free agency,either one is a legit 1 receiver.

1. I don't think DeSean is even a part of this discussion. He doesn't really bring any skill sets that Wallace or Perriman don't have at this point, and he certainly doesn't fit the mold of the kind of receiver we are looking for anyway.

2. I'd expect one of them to be retained by Washington. My money would be on Garcon, but he is the kind of player we would be looking for, though he also could be a bit outside of our price range.

Exactly. DeSean is good, but adding him would be redundant, and certainly would not benefit offense as a whole.

[mearzunkies]

Is Alabama TE O.J. Howard worth a 1st round QB? Aww HELL naw! He is raw. So Maxx should just be considered a bust? Gilmore?

[mearzunkies]

Personally, I like DeSean Jackson of the listed FA. And that was before I saw his YDS/REC ratio, which is very good. Guy was an outstanding player when he played under Andy Reid in Philly, and still looks to have some gas in the tank. Rumors are that Philly wants him back, and they are super desperate for ANY WR who can catch a ball, so I could see them overspending, especially considering he was a fan favorite before Chip Kelly basically gutted the Beagles of all their star players. Would be worthwhile to at least kick the tires on him in any case. LaFell might be another player to look at who would come relatively cheap and still have the potential to put up good numbers.

NO MORE SPEED. We need a Smitty move the chain type of player. A Q style.

[bioLarzen]

Is Alabama TE O.J. Howard worth a 1st round QB? Aww HELL naw! He is raw. So Maxx should just be considered a bust? Gilmore?

I've seen him coming to Baltimore in several mocks.
But we all know how much mocks are worth... especially this early.

[balfan23]

45 minutes ago, mearzunkies said:

NO MORE SPEED. We need a Smitty move the chain type of player. A Q style.

No lie. We've got speed. Need a solid route runner with sure hands who is tough. 

[balfan23]

50 minutes ago, mearzunkies said:

Is Alabama TE O.J. Howard worth a 1st round QB? Aww HELL naw! He is raw. So Maxx should just be considered a bust? Gilmore?

Really - we've invested heavily in TE over the past few years. We need to make do with what we have there. I feel like there are going to be more highly rated players at positions of need available at 16. 

[bigcatfrank1]

If Marshall winds up a free agent as a cut/cap casualty, signing him is a perfect Ozzie Newsome move. Actually, I think it's a great move for both sides. Marshall gets to be on a team with real playoff potential and a locker room culture that allows players to fully be themselves, while the Ravens get a proven and big receiver who makes insanely tough catches and holds himself and his teammates accountable in the locker room. The Ravens love guys like this, 10 year vets who were hotheads early in their careers and have since become more introspective and team-oriented. Also, there'd be a UCF connection between him and Perriman. I know I'd love to have him on board.

Agreed, Marshall is absolutely an Ozzie/Bisciotti move. If the money is right and he is willing to defer I could see them working out a deal. This would work well for the Ravens as you mention because his speed is still good and his size is incredibly perfect for the squad of, Wallace, Perriman, Pitta and then options of Campi, Moore, Waller adding Juice and the RBs. I think Marshall would be a link to that veteran side of things that will be missing in losing Sr. And lastly Flacco could use his acrobatic nature in catching the ball. Maybe it bleeds over a little on the others too. Go for it!

[JamesA119]

If Marshall winds up a free agent as a cut/cap casualty, signing him is a perfect Ozzie Newsome move. Actually, I think it's a great move for both sides. Marshall gets to be on a team with real playoff potential and a locker room culture that allows players to fully be themselves, while the Ravens get a proven and big receiver who makes insanely tough catches and holds himself and his teammates accountable in the locker room. The Ravens love guys like this, 10 year vets who were hotheads early in their careers and have since become more introspective and team-oriented. Also, there'd be a UCF connection between him and Perriman. I know I'd love to have him on board.

Marshall is a team wrecker. I don't see him in Ravens' uniform. He is nothing like Smith Sr. Smith Sr May be feisty but he is a great team mate.

[Crusader]

  On Tuesday, January 31, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Crusader said:

Its time. No more excuses and I bet he will do a lot better since its getting closer to contract time.

Being essentially less than rookie with no training camp is just a reality not an excuse.  

In many games they only threw to him twice late in the season. What ever that excuse was for a number one draft pick it can't happen this season.

[#Nevermore]

  15 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I like the idea of nabbing Marshall if he gets cut. We need a big receiver. One that can move the chains and won't get bullied at the line. 

Jeffrey is way too risk to pay $10-12 million a year. 

In fact, Marshall is the one WR I think fits our team and cap space. He'll elevate Flacco as a QB and make him look decent too. He has a wide catching radius and makes contested catches in a crowd. S

You are right on the money there. Also you have to keep in mind Marshall wants to continue his TV career, which is another reason why he chose NY. In Baltimore, he's near NY. He's on Inside the NFL. The question is if the Ravens would be okay with Marshall being on the show. I think they would as SSS made occasional appearances on the Mike and Mike show.

[#Nevermore]

i see no reason for us to go for anyone but BRANDON MARSHALL.. hes what weve needed for the past 10 years. BRANDON MARSHALL PLEASEEEEEEEEEE

I remember when we traded for Boldin and at the same time Miami traded for Marshall. I commented on this site that I would rather have Marshall. He is younger, his catch radius is outstanding and he was a better player at the time. Marshall was traded for two second round picks though and Boldin was traded for a 3rd and 4th. Which was only a little steeper. The fans on this site gave me a hard time, because Marshall was going through issues with his wife or girlfriend. They said he was a disruption and immature. Which was the case, but he was talented.

In hindsight Boldin was great for us. He won a Superbowl. Either way they both would've been cut as Ozzie wouldn't have paid Marshall, just like he didn't want to pay Boldin.

[#Nevermore]

Also I would point out that the notion of being able to get Marshall "cheap" is a matter of perspective. If fans think "cheap" is $4-5M a year, then Marshall won't be playing for us, because he won't be playing for a contract so low.

Honestly, at his current $7.5M salary, I think he's right at where he should be in terms of value, and I don't really see a scenario where a team could sign him for less than $6-7M a year. So I think the conversation starts there.

If you compare that to the "market value" chart from Spotrac (which I personally don't put much stock in), that puts him right in that same group with Britt/Garcon, etc., just less expensive than Jeffery. So basically, there's not much cost difference between the better FA WRs and what Marshall would bring in terms of value.

I agree his current salary is where he should be. Wallace is at $8.5M this year (although it is the 2nd and last year of the contract). He is better than Wallace.

[#Nevermore]

  13 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

  15 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I like the idea of nabbing Marshall if he gets cut. We need a big receiver. One that can move the chains and won't get bullied at the line. 

Jeffrey is way too risk to pay $10-12 million a year. 

In fact, Marshall is the one WR I think fits our team and cap space. He'll elevate Flacco as a QB and make him look decent too. He has a wide catching radius and makes contested catches in a crowd. S

Kenny Britt is the same type of WR and at this point in their careers is probably the much better version. You're going to pay for name for Marshall but I'd rather have the more productive Britt at a few $ million less.

I don't know about Britt being more productive based on one season. I do know he is injury prone and inconsistent. I like Marshall better.

[sizzlingdoom]

  14 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

i see no reason for us to go for anyone but BRANDON MARSHALL.. hes what weve needed for the past 10 years. BRANDON MARSHALL PLEASEEEEEEEEEE

I remember when we traded for Boldin and at the same time Miami traded for Marshall. I commented on this site that I would rather have Marshall. He is younger, his catch radius is outstanding and he was a better player at the time. Marshall was traded for two second round picks though and Boldin was traded for a 3rd and 4th. Which was only a little steeper. The fans on this site gave me a hard time, because Marshall was going through issues with his wife or girlfriend. They said he was a disruption and immature. Which was the case, but he was talented.

In hindsight Boldin was great for us. He won a Superbowl. Either way they both would've been cut as Ozzie wouldn't have paid Marshall, just like he didn't want to pay Boldin.

Boldin wasn't even expensive. Shipping him away for nothing might've been the stupidest thing Ozzie's ever done. And he know's it. And Steve knows it. Can't imagine Steve's reaction when he found out about that one. I agree, I been wanting Marshall for about just as long too and still do. The guy has been on awful teams. He would be so motivated coming over here. Marshall, Wallace, and Perriman sounds great to me

[sizzlingdoom]

  14 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

  16 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I like the idea of nabbing Marshall if he gets cut. We need a big receiver. One that can move the chains and won't get bullied at the line. 

Jeffrey is way too risk to pay $10-12 million a year. 

In fact, Marshall is the one WR I think fits our team and cap space. He'll elevate Flacco as a QB and make him look decent too. He has a wide catching radius and makes contested catches in a crowd. S

Kenny Britt is the same type of WR and at this point in their careers is probably the much better version. You're going to pay for name for Marshall but I'd rather have the more productive Britt at a few $ million less.

It's not paying for the name. Marshall had 1500 yards and 14 tds just 2 years ago. He was on about the worst O in the year this year so I don't blame his motivation. Britt cleared 1000 yards by 2 yards this year, and it's the first time he's even been close. 9 tds, besides that 5 is the most he's had in a year. How could you possibly say Britt's not only better, but "much better"? Marshall would be hungry coming over here. We need to make a number of good moves this offseason, but we would be the best team Brandon's ever been on. He must want a championship at this point. We have Wallace and Perriman, We have a couple 2s. We need a legit one. Even if it's only for a couple eyars

[sizzlingdoom]

They had a chain mover in Aiken and they didn't use him. Probably speaks to a large issue of a dysfunctional offense.

Aiken is a below average wr

[sizzlingdoom]

My 2 cents, I like Pryor , still a little raw at WR, but a lot of upside...

i agree

[sizzlingdoom]

  13 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  14 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

  16 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I like the idea of nabbing Marshall if he gets cut. We need a big receiver. One that can move the chains and won't get bullied at the line. 

Jeffrey is way too risk to pay $10-12 million a year. 

In fact, Marshall is the one WR I think fits our team and cap space. He'll elevate Flacco as a QB and make him look decent too. He has a wide catching radius and makes contested catches in a crowd. S

Kenny Britt is the same type of WR and at this point in their careers is probably the much better version. You're going to pay for name for Marshall but I'd rather have the more productive Britt at a few $ million less.

I don't know about Britt being more productive based on one season. I do know he is injury prone and inconsistent. I like Marshall better.

Yeah how could anybody ever say Briit is more productive. Over the last 10 years Marshall has averaged >92recs/year >1,175 yards/year and 8 tds a year. Don't blame him for his dropoff this year on the joke of a team. Britt's career numbers are laughable compared to Marshall. He has a couple good years left for sure. Esp. coming to a team like ours and how he must be hungry for the playoffs. Marshall is the true 1 we need. Britt would just be adding another #2 or #3. We needed Marshall 7 years ago when he was traded. And we still need him. Looks like he'll be ava. Time to make it happen

[sizzlingdoom]

i see no reason for us to go for anyone but BRANDON MARSHALL.. hes what weve needed for the past 10 years. BRANDON MARSHALL PLEASEEEEEEEEEE

Adding Marshall would be the quickest way to make Joe better/ look better

[Drew P]

5 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

Aiken is a below average wr

Well I dont know he played well when he was the guy late 2015. I dont think he is a #1 but look at the big picture as is now: thin FA market, very little cap space, spare's at the WR position and team that can't draft a WR to save their collective lives.

[ByTheBay]

17 hours ago, The Beak said:

My 2 cents, I like Pryor , still a little raw at WR, but a lot of upside...

I like him too. Problem is the Ravens aren't very good at developing receivers so bringing in someone who is raw with upside would be a waste and I think Ozzie knows it. If available, my money would be on Marshall. Feels like a typical Ozzie signing. Plug and play

[sizzlingdoom]

  6 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

Aiken is a below average wr

Well I dont know he played well when he was the guy late 2015. I dont think he is a #1 but look at the big picture as is now: thin FA market, very little cap space, spare's at the WR position and team that can't draft a WR to save their collective lives.

Sorry, I know some people like him but I'm not one of them. But yes, we might be the worst team ever at drafting wrs LOL! So I'm very interested to see who we're gonna add. Not a big market. And guys with a lot or ?s. Whoever we add will go a long way in next year's success, or not, I think. I think Marshall is who we need to go after 100%. 2 or 3 year deal. I bet nobody thought Smitty would play out his 3 years and he gave us every cent of his contract and more. I think Marshall would be an enormous add all the way around for the team- and I am aware of his past. We have to take a chance with a wr one way or another this offseason

[rmcjacket23]

10 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

Marshall is a team wrecker. I don't see him in Ravens' uniform. He is nothing like Smith Sr. Smith Sr May be feisty but he is a great team mate.

Very much like ten years ago.

Was nothing but a great leader and player with the Jets.

[rmcjacket23]

7 hours ago, #Nevermore said:

I remember when we traded for Boldin and at the same time Miami traded for Marshall. I commented on this site that I would rather have Marshall. He is younger, his catch radius is outstanding and he was a better player at the time. Marshall was traded for two second round picks though and Boldin was traded for a 3rd and 4th. Which was only a little steeper. The fans on this site gave me a hard time, because Marshall was going through issues with his wife or girlfriend. They said he was a disruption and immature. Which was the case, but he was talented.

In hindsight Boldin was great for us. He won a Superbowl. Either way they both would've been cut as Ozzie wouldn't have paid Marshall, just like he didn't want to pay Boldin.

1. The Ravens traded for Boldin about a month before the Dolphins traded for Marshall. Much like the Boldin trade was a surprise to people in Baltimore, I don't think we could just sit back and expect a trade for Marshall to happen.

2. Two second round picks is certainly a lot steeper than a 3rd and 4th. 

3. You're also not factoring in the big difference in contracts. Marshall's deal that he signed with Miami and was then subsequently traded to Chicago was for 4 years, $47.5M, so that's about $11.5M per season... and that was back in 2010. At the time, it made Marshall the highest paid WR in NFL history.

Boldin's extension with the Ravens was for 3 years at $25M, which effectively gave him a 4 year, $28M deal, since he had a $3M year left on his deal from the Cardinals when he was traded.

So they both effectively had the same numbers of years left, yet Marshall cost almost $20M more, which works out to close to $5M a year.

So not only would you have to give up significantly better draft picks, but you also would need to come up with another $5M/year. And remember, that's back in 2010. 

Needless to say, that's an enormous cost difference.

[hen826957]

That's the problem with us and it starting to become a routine, we always sign a player when they are 3 years away from retirement. I want them to go after a prime receiver one time. We should've gotten Brandon Marshall years ago when the Dolphins got him for just a 6 round pick and was in his prime now in his 30's when retirement about to come we want him. While we traded and 4th and 5th round pick for Boldin that year, we could traded a 6th for Marshall as well and could've had Joe dominant weapons. Most of those low picks aren't making the roster anyway, so l would do it at that time. We still would've had the first 3 picks in 2010.