[News] Late For Work 1/27: Top Question For Seven Ravens Positions

[whobilly]

  3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  5 hours ago, BigUgly said:

To a point.  You still have to look at the cost of production.  In the case of Boldin, his production was proven and, at that cost point, not easily replaced for the same money.  Had he been on the team in 2013, I believe we would've made the playoffs.  Got too cheap at the wrong position at the wrong time.

I understand letting Torrey go.  He had a narrow skill set, and was barely a #2 but got #1 money from SF.  We thought we had a replacement in Perriman, but he has yet to prove as productive.

Well, keep in mind also that Boldin's regular season production was never spectacular with the Ravens, so it was actually quite hard to justify a $6M price tag on him for what he was giving us in the regular season. He was producing as a #2 WR at that point.

I don't think anybody really expected us to return to the playoffs in 2013, and its tough to tell what would have happened. We were able to get Dumervil that year, and maybe that doesn't happen if Boldin is on the roster.

No possible way of knowing.

Exactly. And at the time, Pitta & Torrey were dominating the catches with Ray Rice in the mix as well. Boldin was the 4th option on offense. We also had a ton of Free agents - Flacco, Reed, McKinney, Leach, Ellerbe, Kruger, Cary Williams, Ihedibo that the Ravens wanted to resign. And the following year - Pitta, Graham, Art Jones, Monroe, Oher, etc. Now, in hindsight, it doesn't look like the right decision, however, no one could have seen Pitta's injury and the Ray Rice fiasco.

Also, the money from Boldin allowed us to sign Dumervil, Daryl Smith & Chris Canty. I'll take Dumervil's 17 sack season in 2014 (that help lead us into the play-offs) over any of Boldin's last few seasons.

On the other hand Steve B said it was the biggest mistake the organization ever made.

[whobilly]

  7 hours ago, BigUgly said:

If you'll recall, we released Boldin the year after the super bowl (while he was on a charity trip to Africa) because we deemed his $6M cap hit too pricey.

The Ravens can't afford to be a penny wise and a pound foolish with WR talent.

We also had Torrey Smith on the roster cheaply (along with Pitta) and he was among many cap purges we made that offseason, which is fairly common for a SB champ with a big contract going to a QB.

That's just how it works.

Steve B admitted they made a big mistake and they should have kept him. At least he was man enough to admit such a brutal error in judgement.

[RavensFanMania]

On 1/27/2017 at 0:18 PM, Chuckx999 said:

Nice atricle in todays Wash. Post on how Tom Bradys salary cap is so low by Brady choice. He would rather take a smaller salary so the TEAM can affort the players it needs to keep on winning. Ask old "3 and out Flacco" if he would do that for the Ravens??????????????????? FAT CHANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 He didn't take a pay cut.

[rmcjacket23]

  8 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  9 hours ago, BigUgly said:

If you'll recall, we released Boldin the year after the super bowl (while he was on a charity trip to Africa) because we deemed his $6M cap hit too pricey.

The Ravens can't afford to be a penny wise and a pound foolish with WR talent.

We also had Torrey Smith on the roster cheaply (along with Pitta) and he was among many cap purges we made that offseason, which is fairly common for a SB champ with a big contract going to a QB.

That's just how it works.

Steve B admitted they made a big mistake and they should have kept him. At least he was man enough to admit such a brutal error in judgement.

Cool. And he did so after the 2013 season, when he, like the fans, had the beauty of hindsight.

Not that it accomplishes anything, because it doesn't. He's also the one saying every year in his post season PC that the decisions to not sign certain players have direct impact on our ability to sign other players. He's brought up the Dumervil signing on nearly an annual basis in reference to a player we probably couldn't sign if we signed somebody else.

[TheConquerorWorm]

Nice atricle in todays Wash. Post on how Tom Bradys salary cap is so low by Brady choice. He would rather take a smaller salary so the TEAM can affort the players it needs to keep on winning. Ask old "3 and out Flacco" if he would do that for the Ravens??????????????????? FAT CHANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's Brady's choice to keep his salary low because the Pats are paying his company and giving them a storefront at Gillette Stadium....I'd take a few million less in salary if you pay my company a few million and help me make millions more.....

[Halshayeji]

8 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

And it's easy for the Pats to ask a guy to take lesser salary when they're paying his company (TB12 Sports Therapy Center) significant $$ and giving them a storefront at Gillette Stadium.

thats just another reason why it's not fair to compare Tom Brady taking less money to any other QB in the NFL.

It's also no secret that some NFL owners pay money to NFL players indirectly through their companies to relief their teams from the salary cap.

its against the NFL rules but almost impossible to prove in court. Fortunately or unfortunately for us (depending on how you look at it) Mr Beschotti is one of the classiest owners and rarely if ever played under the belt.

[whobilly]

  15 hours ago, whobilly said:

  22 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  23 hours ago, BigUgly said:

If you'll recall, we released Boldin the year after the super bowl (while he was on a charity trip to Africa) because we deemed his $6M cap hit too pricey.

The Ravens can't afford to be a penny wise and a pound foolish with WR talent.

We also had Torrey Smith on the roster cheaply (along with Pitta) and he was among many cap purges we made that offseason, which is fairly common for a SB champ with a big contract going to a QB.

That's just how it works.

Steve B admitted they made a big mistake and they should have kept him. At least he was man enough to admit such a brutal error in judgement.

Cool. And he did so after the 2013 season, when he, like the fans, had the beauty of hindsight.

Not that it accomplishes anything, because it doesn't. He's also the one saying every year in his post season PC that the decisions to not sign certain players have direct impact on our ability to sign other players. He's brought up the Dumervil signing on nearly an annual basis in reference to a player we probably couldn't sign if we signed somebody else.

He said it recently once again admitting the error in judgement.

[whobilly]

I hate the Pats. I despise the Pats. I respect the Pats. We can whine about their weak division, their cheating, Brady taking pay cuts and on and on and on. Bottom line is they win 12 games or more every season, host the AFC Title Game just about every season, and are heading to the Super Bowl with Brady for the 7th time. Lets focus on what the Ravens have to do to get better. Winners focus on winning. Losers focus on Winners.

[rmcjacket23]

4 hours ago, whobilly said:

He said it recently once again admitting the error in judgement.

And how does this help the current or future Ravens again?

Can literally anyone explain to me what is with the fanboy fascination with hindsight analysis? Do you people use this same kind of backwards logic in your own lives?

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

We need vocal leaders on both sides of the ball and I am not just talking about guys who just talk but guys who talk and back it up with their play, practice and film study. SSS retired and he was the only noticeable vocal leader on offense. Suggs is getting towards the sun setting on his career those 2 guys were probably the most vocal leaders who backed it up on Sundays.  Weddle was vocal in his first year and he was a leader who made plays on the field. But right now on the roster there are only 2 guys going into next season who are vocal and back it up by their play and that's Suggs and Weddle. We need guys who are going to call each other out when someone is not playing to their full potential and guys who can go out and cause something to happen when we need something to happen. Notice both vocal guys are on defense with SSS gone now we need guys who will call the offense out and make plays on offense at key times in the games and get the team fired up. Everyone remembers R.Lewis and "ANY DOGS IN THE HOUSE" chant guys were fired up before the game even started and at that time we also had E.Reed and Sizzle and S.Sharpe guys who could get the whole team excited.

Edited January 29 by ALSKAN RAVEN FAN

[bigcatfrank1]

Joe Flacco didn't regress. Joe Flacco set personal and team records for passing yards, 4340 yds exceeding his best previous season by 400 yrds. In 8 seasons he now holds Franchise records for Yards, Compltetions, Touchdowns and Wins.

Not just that the yards, QB ratings and all the stats were all either very close to his "normal" above average NFL standards, Joe Flacco continues to endure a what some would call a revolving door at the OC and QB Coach positions.

Some untimely Wide Receiver moves, injuries and FA situations have caused cohesive Offense execution. Not to mention an Offensive Line that went through a complete overhaul with the exception of Pro- Bowler Marshal Yanda.

Lastly a severe season ending injury that luckily only cost Joe 4 Games and with tremendous off- season re-conditioning he came back, played a full 16 game season with a brace on his leg. He set personal records. His team was not full strength and his Offence fielded at times 5 rookies out of 11.

Pro-football Report, one of the leading national syndicated sports statistical co,reports the following; comparing for the same year of their careers-
in Years - the Quarterbacks who's career was of similar quality and shape-

Year 5- Jim Kelly*, Ben Roethlisberger, Fran Tarkenton*, Joe Namath*, Ken O'Brien, Aaron Brooks, Doug Williams, John Elway*, Bernie Kosar, Jay Cutler

Year 6- Ben Roethlisberger, Fran Tarkenton*, John Elway*, Jim Kelly*, Warren Moon*, Steve Grogan, Eli Manning, Drew Bledsoe, Aaron Brooks, Ken O'Brien

Year 7- John Elway*, Ben Roethlisberger, Jim Kelly*, Drew Bledsoe, Eli Manning, Jim Everett, Ken O'Brien, Tom Brady, Fran Tarkenton*, John Hadl

Year 8- Eli Manning, Mark Brunell, John Hadl, John Elway*, Ken O'Brien, Drew Bledsoe, Jay Cutler, Bob Griese*, Jim Everett, Steve McNair

I would not classify this as regression. A poor Team season yes.

[BigUgly]

Joe Flacco didn't regress. Joe Flacco set personal and team records for passing yards, 4340 yds exceeding his best previous season by 400 yrds. In 8 seasons he now holds Franchise records for Yards, Compltetions, Touchdowns and Wins.

Not just that the yards, QB ratings and all the stats were all either very close to his "normal" above average NFL standards, Joe Flacco continues to endure a what some would call a revolving door at the OC and QB Coach positions.

Some untimely Wide Receiver moves, injuries and FA situations have caused cohesive Offense execution. Not to mention an Offensive Line that went through a complete overhaul with the exception of Pro- Bowler Marshal Yanda.

Lastly a severe season ending injury that luckily only cost Joe 4 Games and with tremendous off- season re-conditioning he came back, played a full 16 game season with a brace on his leg. He set personal records. His team was not full strength and his Offence fielded at times 5 rookies out of 11.

Pro-football Report, one of the leading national syndicated sports statistical co,reports the following; comparing for the same year of their careers-
in Years - the Quarterbacks who's career was of similar quality and shape-

Year 5- Jim Kelly*, Ben Roethlisberger, Fran Tarkenton*, Joe Namath*, Ken O'Brien, Aaron Brooks, Doug Williams, John Elway*, Bernie Kosar, Jay Cutler

Year 6- Ben Roethlisberger, Fran Tarkenton*, John Elway*, Jim Kelly*, Warren Moon*, Steve Grogan, Eli Manning, Drew Bledsoe, Aaron Brooks, Ken O'Brien

Year 7- John Elway*, Ben Roethlisberger, Jim Kelly*, Drew Bledsoe, Eli Manning, Jim Everett, Ken O'Brien, Tom Brady, Fran Tarkenton*, John Hadl

Year 8- Eli Manning, Mark Brunell, John Hadl, John Elway*, Ken O'Brien, Drew Bledsoe, Jay Cutler, Bob Griese*, Jim Everett, Steve McNair

I would not classify this as regression. A poor Team season yes.

Well, I guess if you consider his abysmal 2013 and injury-shortened 2015 seasons to be his benchmarks, then you're right, he didn't regress.

[An_Unkindness_Flock]

  5 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Joe Flacco didn't regress. Joe Flacco set personal and team records for passing yards, 4340 yds exceeding his best previous season by 400 yrds. In 8 seasons he now holds Franchise records for Yards, Compltetions, Touchdowns and Wins.

Not just that the yards, QB ratings and all the stats were all either very close to his "normal" above average NFL standards, Joe Flacco continues to endure a what some would call a revolving door at the OC and QB Coach positions.

Some untimely Wide Receiver moves, injuries and FA situations have caused cohesive Offense execution. Not to mention an Offensive Line that went through a complete overhaul with the exception of Pro- Bowler Marshal Yanda.

Lastly a severe season ending injury that luckily only cost Joe 4 Games and with tremendous off- season re-conditioning he came back, played a full 16 game season with a brace on his leg. He set personal records. His team was not full strength and his Offence fielded at times 5 rookies out of 11.

Pro-football Report, one of the leading national syndicated sports statistical co,reports the following; comparing for the same year of their careers-
in Years - the Quarterbacks who's career was of similar quality and shape-

Year 5- Jim Kelly*, Ben Roethlisberger, Fran Tarkenton*, Joe Namath*, Ken O'Brien, Aaron Brooks, Doug Williams, John Elway*, Bernie Kosar, Jay Cutler

Year 6- Ben Roethlisberger, Fran Tarkenton*, John Elway*, Jim Kelly*, Warren Moon*, Steve Grogan, Eli Manning, Drew Bledsoe, Aaron Brooks, Ken O'Brien

Year 7- John Elway*, Ben Roethlisberger, Jim Kelly*, Drew Bledsoe, Eli Manning, Jim Everett, Ken O'Brien, Tom Brady, Fran Tarkenton*, John Hadl

Year 8- Eli Manning, Mark Brunell, John Hadl, John Elway*, Ken O'Brien, Drew Bledsoe, Jay Cutler, Bob Griese*, Jim Everett, Steve McNair

I would not classify this as regression. A poor Team season yes.

Well, I guess if you consider his abysmal 2013 and injury-shortened 2015 seasons to be his benchmarks, then you're right, he didn't regress.

Ever since the 2013 PURGE the team has regressed into 3rd Place but 1st place in excuses.

[Adreme]

5 hours ago, An_Unkindness_Flock said:

Ever since the 2013 PURGE the team has regressed into 3rd Place but 1st place in excuses.

Apparently the division rankings dont know that the Ravens finished 3rd because the standings show that the Ravens finished 2nd.  2nd is higher than 3rd and only one step away from being champs (which is something that Ravens always seem to struggle with for some reason,)