[News] Late For Work 1/26: Joe Flacco Gets Major Love In Super Bowl MVP Rankings

[iluvpurple]

  12 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

Flacco won a SB with a great TEAM in 2012. It is now 2017. It's time to let it go and focus on what he has done lately.

now this is an interesting statement, lets all ponder it for just a moment. I will break it down for you , slowly and then I might add-

1-Flacco won a SB


2-with a great team


3-in 2012. it is now 2017


4-Its time to let it go and focus


5-on what he has done lately.


I think this is very interesting it says a lot, I dont think J really knows how much it says. I have read through the remarks on the article and was looking for a post to reply to and i came upon this post.

1-You see, Joe Flacco as J. points out won a Super Bowl, thats something that only 3 other AFC QB's have done since 2001. And Joe hasn't even played that long. So sure we cant go backwards but you cant take it away, its his and he has the ring, along with everyone else on that team.

2-A great Team it was indeed, thats right folks, it takes a great TEAM to win in football. You can have the greatest QB in the world but it doesnt mean a thing if your TEAM isnt great. Anyone remember Dan Marino? Fran Tarkenton? Dan Fouts? Philip Rivers?

3-yeah how about that 2012 Super Bowl Champs, that means that since no other team has repeated a win there are only 25 teams left in the NFL that have not won yet since 2012. In fact The Ravens missed the Playoffs again which was painful because we have become so accustomed to making the playoffs boy how depressing imagine if our Ravens were actually average "Joes" like 65% NFL teams who have less than 4 playoff appearances in the past 10 years.

4.-time to let it go, is it the Fans that should let this Go? Or is it the Team that should let something go? Should Joe let the ball go? Should the coaches focus? Should Joe focus? Should the fans focus? Should everybody Focus? Yes! Run the ball.

5.on what he has done lately but simply overcome complete disaster.
Some QB's fold up and cannot lead their team after coming off of an injury, ie. Neil Lomax, Sonny Jurgensen, even Tony Romo. But Joe Flacco has a rough year, then 20 starters go down and he gets hurt at the end of the season. He works the entire off-season to recover and returns for all 16 regular season games. Obviously not 100 %. He sets both personal and team completion and yardage records. As well leads the team to a .500 record a much improvement to the 5-11 2015 season even though the was a large amount of injuries in 2016 to quite a few key players.
How many teams would have Joe? if your asking me only one matters. He is a Raven and that is what he has earned.

So thank you J, Very Interesting post indeed.

Awesome post 👍😎🏈

[iluvpurple]

I think everyone is a little off base where Joe Flacco is concerned. The problem is with the term "elite". We, as Ravens fans, need to drop the term completely from our vocabulary. He's not elite. Neither are the QB's for most NFL teams. What we need to consider; where Joe ranks in terms of current QB's in the league, compare his career path, and weigh the pros and cons.
-Joe Flacco is the only QB in the AFC to start (and win) in a Superbowl in the
last 14 years that wasn't either Tom Brady, Big Ben or Peyton Manning. Considering Peyton did it with 2 teams, that leaves 11 AFC teams that haven't hoisted the Lombardi trophy in that span. Oddly enough, the last AFC team to do it prior to Brady, Ben and Manning was...the Ravens...in 2001. Get this; you have to go back to 1984 to find an AFC team that won the Superbowl that wasn't the Patriots, Steelers, Broncos, Colts or Ravens. 32 freaking years since the LA Raiders won!!! Joe Flacco has a proven record in the playoffs. He also managed a crucial drive this year, in Pittsburgh, that realistically should have won the game (and possibly division) if the defense had not Crap the bed.
-With Peyton Manning retired, Big Ben considering retirement (and honestly, Flacco is kind of owning Big Ben recently), that leaves Tom Brady as the QB to beat in the AFC. And Joe has beaten Brady twice in the playoffs IN Foxboro. We have owned the Steelers recently (6 of 9 since 2013 with a playoff win in there). With the rag-tag crew of receivers we had this year, he beat Ben once, was within a score of Brady, and lost to Ben by an outstretched arm. To me, you can't put a price tag on composure, which Flacco has against these guys. If Tom Brady were to win this year, and then retire along with Big Ben, who would be the Ravens main competition in the AFC?
-Ravens fans are used to making the playoffs, and we've gotten spoiled. How consistent is Dalton in the Playoffs? The Texans? The Chiefs? Not a whole lot of winning in that group. Flacco has had an inconsistent support system around him, and the carousel of OC's has got to stop for him to develop into the passer he has the potential to be. I think what a lot of fans fail to realize, is that Joe has put our team in the position to win a lot of games, and our defense has let us down. Granted, more consistent play from Joe could potentially negate our less-than-stellar secondary, but if your QB scores a go-ahead TD with less than a couple minutes to play...and you can't stop their team from scoring...that's hardly the QB's fault.

You can argue all you want that Joe makes too much money, that he's not consistent enough, etc. But when it comes down to brass tacks, there's only a handful of consistent QB's in the league, and an even smaller class of QB's that are consistent when it matters...in the playoffs. Given the option, there's only 4 or 5 QB's in the league I'd consider over Flacco. Brady, Rodgers, Brees and (possibly) Derek Carr or Matt Ryan. Other than that, every team is struggling with inconsistency at QB...and have no hardware to show for it. Andrew Luck? Andy Dalton? Ryan Tannehill? Tyrod Taylor? Come on guys, our position is a lot more solid than 80 to 90% of the league. We are a couple key guys away from being back on top while it looks like the Bengals unraveled this year, and it looks like the Steelers are headed that way.

Take a deep breath my friends. The AFC north is ripe for the taking, and we are poised to be that team. Peace.

Also an awesome post 👍😎🏈

[jravens1313]

Joe needs to be in a system that utilizes his strengths the best. We need offensive balance to wear down defenses and keep our defense fresh. Lets play smash mouth and protect Joe. Go watch the 2014 tape with Kubiak. That is the recipe for winning with Flacco. 

[sizzlingdoom]

  13 hours ago, ByTheBay said:

  14 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, its not actually true that they'd be trading for the 3rd highest salary in the league either. Keep in mind that much of Joe's compensation is in the form of bonuses, which is something that doesn't transfer over to another team on a trade. The only thing another team gets is the base salary in a trade and any future roster/option bonuses (and I'm not 100% sure they transfer either).

So, for example, IF (which this obviously isn't happening) they traded Joe this offseason, his base salaries for the next three years are all under $20M ($6M in 2017, $12M in 2018, $18.5M in 2019). Joe did defer a portion of his signing bonus from this past season to 2017, but my understanding is that the Ravens would be on the hook for that, not another team.

So any team trading for him would only have to pay him $36.5M over the next three years (and average of roughly $12M a season, which is an extreme bargain), and $81M over the next five years, which is still an average of $16.2M a year. At an AAV of $16.2M over five years, he would be the 23rd highest paid QB in the league currently, sandwiched between Alex Smith and Andy Dalton. 

AND keep in mind that none of those salaries is currently guaranteed, so any team that traded for him and didn't alter his deal could cut or trade him at any given time with zero dead money attached.

So, needless to say, IF (again, this isn't happening) a team were going to trade for him, they'd be getting a very cost effective, non-guaranteed contract. 

Ah I see my mistake is using the term "trade" when the comment I was rebuffing was (all you flacco bashers.... have absolutely no clue what youre talking about... I can easily say 15-20 teams WISH AND PRAYED TO GOD they can have someone Flacco under center) 

 

So my mistake. Please respond to my comments with this in mind. The poster stated 15-20 teams wished they "had" Joe Flacco. Not based in an argument where they would get him on the cheap due to a trade deal we could never realistically afford. His salary is the main issue that I have with him. If he was only 12m a year I would love to have him as my qb.

How many teams would take Joe Flacco for his current contract. Thanks 

15 to 20.

That's hilarious. Not even close

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  16 hours ago, ByTheBay said:

I'm confused. The FO says we need to strengthen our Oline but I think our starting group of Stanley, Lewis, Yanda and Wagner is pretty darn good. So the problem must be our Pro Bowl center? (I know I am floored by that too) Then its our receivers who before the season we were told are the best group in Ravens history. But for some reason they cant get seperation and Joe needs clear separation to throw the ball otherwise he hesitates. Then its always the OC's fault. Terrible scheme and play calling. Yeah that must be it. I think we will look back in the 10 years and laugh at how many players and staff have been thrown under the bus to avoid admitting Joe Flacco is the problem. I know we are stuck with him and I dont have a solution to offer but it's starting to look like this may be the case. 10th season. Think about that for a minute. In what skills has he improved over the last decade? After 10 years of doing the same job most people become much, much better. Sorry for the rant, I am just finished making excuses for our QB. Every year it's someone elses fault he is not succeeding. Madness at the castle. 

That group of Stanley, Lewis, Yanda & Wagner was only together for 4 games (the 1st 3 games and the 1st Pit game) last year. Not surprisingly, we won all 4 of those games. That's where our struggles were. Wagner is a FA and probably gone, Yanda is going to undergo his umpteenth shoulder surgery. So, yes we need to build our O-line.

What skills has Flacco improved? The ability to win games in the 4th quarter. He led the offense on game winning drives in the final minutes against Jax, Oak, NYG, Was, Pit. It's your misguided perception that he should somehow evolve into Tom Brady. He's not going to and probably never will. Phillip Rivers has been in the league 12 years and still can't win in the clutch despite having some of the game's best play-makers on his team. You think he should get better after 12 years, I say he's the same player he always was. Did Russell Wilson get better this year? Did Ryan Tannehill? Did Cam Newton? Did Eli Manning? Did Blake Bortles? Did Andrew Luck? Did Andy Dalton? Did Jamies Winston? Did Drew Brees? It's taken Matt Ryan 9 years to even get to the SB despite having some of the best offensive players in the league in their prime - Roddy White, Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez, DeVonte Freeman, Michael Turner, etc. In the previous 8 years, he's won 1 play-off game.

Bottom line: Flacco can win games. In today's NFL that's all you need at QB. And a QB that can win games when the game is on the line in the 4th quarter is not your problem.

You can't just compare qbs. That's absurd and ignorant. Every player is in a completely different situation. Until this year Ryan has never had an oline or defense. Ryan would have at least 2 rings on his finger if he spent his whole career with the Ravens imo

[sizzlingdoom]

I'm tired of what Joe needs and Harbaugh can blow smoke with the best politician as he laid out a plan ANY Qb could succeed with, so back it up or shut up. See you in the spring.

touche

[#Nevermore]

I think everyone is a little off base where Joe Flacco is concerned. The problem is with the term "elite". We, as Ravens fans, need to drop the term completely from our vocabulary. He's not elite. Neither are the QB's for most NFL teams. What we need to consider; where Joe ranks in terms of current QB's in the league, compare his career path, and weigh the pros and cons.
-Joe Flacco is the only QB in the AFC to start (and win) in a Superbowl in the
last 14 years that wasn't either Tom Brady, Big Ben or Peyton Manning. Considering Peyton did it with 2 teams, that leaves 11 AFC teams that haven't hoisted the Lombardi trophy in that span. Oddly enough, the last AFC team to do it prior to Brady, Ben and Manning was...the Ravens...in 2001. Get this; you have to go back to 1984 to find an AFC team that won the Superbowl that wasn't the Patriots, Steelers, Broncos, Colts or Ravens. 32 freaking years since the LA Raiders won!!! Joe Flacco has a proven record in the playoffs. He also managed a crucial drive this year, in Pittsburgh, that realistically should have won the game (and possibly division) if the defense had not Crap the bed.
-With Peyton Manning retired, Big Ben considering retirement (and honestly, Flacco is kind of owning Big Ben recently), that leaves Tom Brady as the QB to beat in the AFC. And Joe has beaten Brady twice in the playoffs IN Foxboro. We have owned the Steelers recently (6 of 9 since 2013 with a playoff win in there). With the rag-tag crew of receivers we had this year, he beat Ben once, was within a score of Brady, and lost to Ben by an outstretched arm. To me, you can't put a price tag on composure, which Flacco has against these guys. If Tom Brady were to win this year, and then retire along with Big Ben, who would be the Ravens main competition in the AFC?
-Ravens fans are used to making the playoffs, and we've gotten spoiled. How consistent is Dalton in the Playoffs? The Texans? The Chiefs? Not a whole lot of winning in that group. Flacco has had an inconsistent support system around him, and the carousel of OC's has got to stop for him to develop into the passer he has the potential to be. I think what a lot of fans fail to realize, is that Joe has put our team in the position to win a lot of games, and our defense has let us down. Granted, more consistent play from Joe could potentially negate our less-than-stellar secondary, but if your QB scores a go-ahead TD with less than a couple minutes to play...and you can't stop their team from scoring...that's hardly the QB's fault.

You can argue all you want that Joe makes too much money, that he's not consistent enough, etc. But when it comes down to brass tacks, there's only a handful of consistent QB's in the league, and an even smaller class of QB's that are consistent when it matters...in the playoffs. Given the option, there's only 4 or 5 QB's in the league I'd consider over Flacco. Brady, Rodgers, Brees and (possibly) Derek Carr or Matt Ryan. Other than that, every team is struggling with inconsistency at QB...and have no hardware to show for it. Andrew Luck? Andy Dalton? Ryan Tannehill? Tyrod Taylor? Come on guys, our position is a lot more solid than 80 to 90% of the league. We are a couple key guys away from being back on top while it looks like the Bengals unraveled this year, and it looks like the Steelers are headed that way.

Take a deep breath my friends. The AFC north is ripe for the taking, and we are poised to be that team. Peace.

I agree with you. The point that some of the Flock make is that Flacco is frustrating. He plays well in the playoffs, but he is inconsistent during the season and really from quarter to quarter. So he irritates you because you know the talent and more importantly the will to win is there, but not consistently. He is just like Eli Manning. You know when you get to the playoffs, you have an above average chance of winning because of quarterback play, but also because of regular season quarterback play, you may not make it to the playoffs.

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all you flacco bashers.... have absolutely no clue what youre talking about... I can easily say 15-20 teams WISH AND PRAYED TO GOD they can have someone Flacco under center...Just take a look at other ''better'' qbs... what have they done with the talent they have surrounding them? Dalton/aj..brees and whoever..Rodgers/jordy..luck and ty..Stafford/megatron..big ben Antonio... list goes on and on... CALM YOURSELVES DOWN.. guy has had 5 oc's in 5 years.. NO RB.. horrible WR(no one near a elite one) and u want him to do good?

15-20 teams "WISH AND PRAYED TO GOD' they had Flacco. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. I sincerely thank you for that. There's only been a handful of times that I've actually busted out laughing out loud from a post on here. The NFL is a what have you done for me lately league. So we are talking about how Joe played last year. There are maybe 5 teams that would've wanted him inplace of their QB. Maybe. And if you consider contracts and cap hit, I would turn that 5 into a ZERO.

[Crusader]

What ever you don't search for "Worst super bowl QB winners"

[BigUgly]

What ever you don't search for "Worst super bowl QB winners"

The Dilfernator!

[rmcjacket23]

6 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

That's hilarious. Not even close

I listed 15 for you earlier...

[Crusader]

"Ravens fans are spoiled" Why because we don't want complacency to set it? Because the league gave the expansion teams to Jacksonville and Carolina completely disrespecting Baltimore so now we want the NFL elites to keep handing Baltimore Ravens the SB trophy? So we hold the coaches and players feet to the fire, big deal. The Baltimore Ravens need to keep building their legacy and not care what other teams are doing or not have done. Besides, this country was made by people not settling for good enough Try complaing in another country and see what happens.

[Tank 92]

On 1/26/2017 at 11:45 PM, jravens1313 said:

Joe Any quality QB needs to be in a system that utilizes his strengths the best. We need offensive balance to wear down defenses and keep our defense fresh. That is the recipe for winning with Joe any QB.

 

[RavenManiac#7]

I think everyone is a little off base where Joe Flacco is concerned. The problem is with the term "elite". We, as Ravens fans, need to drop the term completely from our vocabulary. He's not elite. Neither are the QB's for most NFL teams. What we need to consider; where Joe ranks in terms of current QB's in the league, compare his career path, and weigh the pros and cons.
-Joe Flacco is the only QB in the AFC to start (and win) in a Superbowl in the
last 14 years that wasn't either Tom Brady, Big Ben or Peyton Manning. Considering Peyton did it with 2 teams, that leaves 11 AFC teams that haven't hoisted the Lombardi trophy in that span. Oddly enough, the last AFC team to do it prior to Brady, Ben and Manning was...the Ravens...in 2001. Get this; you have to go back to 1984 to find an AFC team that won the Superbowl that wasn't the Patriots, Steelers, Broncos, Colts or Ravens. 32 freaking years since the LA Raiders won!!! Joe Flacco has a proven record in the playoffs. He also managed a crucial drive this year, in Pittsburgh, that realistically should have won the game (and possibly division) if the defense had not Crap the bed.
-With Peyton Manning retired, Big Ben considering retirement (and honestly, Flacco is kind of owning Big Ben recently), that leaves Tom Brady as the QB to beat in the AFC. And Joe has beaten Brady twice in the playoffs IN Foxboro. We have owned the Steelers recently (6 of 9 since 2013 with a playoff win in there). With the rag-tag crew of receivers we had this year, he beat Ben once, was within a score of Brady, and lost to Ben by an outstretched arm. To me, you can't put a price tag on composure, which Flacco has against these guys. If Tom Brady were to win this year, and then retire along with Big Ben, who would be the Ravens main competition in the AFC?
-Ravens fans are used to making the playoffs, and we've gotten spoiled. How consistent is Dalton in the Playoffs? The Texans? The Chiefs? Not a whole lot of winning in that group. Flacco has had an inconsistent support system around him, and the carousel of OC's has got to stop for him to develop into the passer he has the potential to be. I think what a lot of fans fail to realize, is that Joe has put our team in the position to win a lot of games, and our defense has let us down. Granted, more consistent play from Joe could potentially negate our less-than-stellar secondary, but if your QB scores a go-ahead TD with less than a couple minutes to play...and you can't stop their team from scoring...that's hardly the QB's fault.

You can argue all you want that Joe makes too much money, that he's not consistent enough, etc. But when it comes down to brass tacks, there's only a handful of consistent QB's in the league, and an even smaller class of QB's that are consistent when it matters...in the playoffs. Given the option, there's only 4 or 5 QB's in the league I'd consider over Flacco. Brady, Rodgers, Brees and (possibly) Derek Carr or Matt Ryan. Other than that, every team is struggling with inconsistency at QB...and have no hardware to show for it. Andrew Luck? Andy Dalton? Ryan Tannehill? Tyrod Taylor? Come on guys, our position is a lot more solid than 80 to 90% of the league. We are a couple key guys away from being back on top while it looks like the Bengals unraveled this year, and it looks like the Steelers are headed that way.

Take a deep breath my friends. The AFC north is ripe for the taking, and we are poised to be that team. Peace.

I think that this is one of the best, and accurate, posts that I've read in a long while. We all love our Ravens and can get upset and emotional at times during games. What we need to remember is that there are NO Perfect QBs in the NFL. I think that we have a pretty good one and I can easily remember what it was like when we didn't, before we drafted Flacco. It sure wasn't fun. Joe really Has directed a lot of late drives that should have produced wins but, unfortunately, all too often our defense could not stop our opponents offense and it frittered those potential wins away. Our team has a lot of problems that need fixed before we will be consistent winners again, but our QB is not one of them. While I do believe that we are a bit more than just a couple key guys away from being back on top, as this poster thinks, I completely agree with him/her ?? that we do Not need a different QB to get there. Joe has already showed us what he is capable of doing when he has the proper pieces surrounding him. Actually, I am far more concerned about our current coaching staff than I am our QB. Joe just does NOT have the team around him right now to repeat what he did in 2012. That is Not his fault.

[RavenManiac#7]

  On 1/26/2017 at 11:13 AM, whobilly said:

Made GREAT in part by Joe. Never said he was the best QB in the league but Ravens Fans would have gone crazy if we let him walk.

No doubt about it. Every fan including myself would have lost it had they let Joe walk in 2013. However, I believe we would now be laughing at whoever picked him up much in the same way Houston looks like fools for signing and paying Osweiler. Hindsight is 20/20 and I'm not arguing that we shouldn't have signed him. Ozzie was put in a tough spot. Thats the past. My argument is in the now and if anything short of surrounding joe with stars at every position will ever make him worth his pay. The same pay which makes it impossible to put stars around him. See the problem?

Yes, Houston's FO does look, and actually Was, foolish for signing and paying Osweiler what it did. And, yes, hindsight Is 20/20. But, let's get real here. The situations were much, much different. Joe had an excellent history of getting us to the playoffs, being successful once getting there, and had just completed an historic playoff run capping it off with a Super Bowl win and SB MVP performance. Osweiler had started 8 games, Total, the year before Houston gave him that ridiculous amount of money. Ozzie did the right thing and Joe is taking an awful lot of undeserved criticism of late. Of course, that's just my own opinion, that's all.