[News] Late For Work 1/26: Joe Flacco Gets Major Love In Super Bowl MVP Rankings

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[jravens1313]

Flacco won a SB with a great TEAM in 2012. It is now 2017. It's time to let it go and focus on what he has done lately.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

“We are going to build a football team around Joe, and Joe is going to be another year removed from the injury. We are going to build an offensive line that is best in the league, and we are going to put a running game together that is going to support the quarterback,” Harbaugh said.

WOW, Harbaugh you just figured out what it takes to win...fans have been saying this for years!!!

[b93333]

With all the players we are looking at letting go... Williams, Wagner, Juice and SSS retiring it will be a major accomplishment to get back to 8-8... unless Ozzie nails this year's draft (including the first three rounds this time.

[ByTheBay]

I'm confused. The FO says we need to strengthen our Oline but I think our starting group of Stanley, Lewis, Yanda and Wagner is pretty darn good. So the problem must be our Pro Bowl center? (I know I am floored by that too) Then its our receivers who before the season we were told are the best group in Ravens history. But for some reason they cant get seperation and Joe needs clear separation to throw the ball otherwise he hesitates. Then its always the OC's fault. Terrible scheme and play calling. Yeah that must be it. I think we will look back in the 10 years and laugh at how many players and staff have been thrown under the bus to avoid admitting Joe Flacco is the problem. I know we are stuck with him and I dont have a solution to offer but it's starting to look like this may be the case. 10th season. Think about that for a minute. In what skills has he improved over the last decade? After 10 years of doing the same job most people become much, much better. Sorry for the rant, I am just finished making excuses for our QB. Every year it's someone elses fault he is not succeeding. Madness at the castle. 

Edited January 26 by ByTheBay
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[Azzi22]

all you flacco bashers.... have absolutely no clue what youre talking about... I can easily say 15-20 teams WISH AND PRAYED TO GOD they can have someone Flacco under center...Just take a look at other ''better'' qbs... what have they done with the talent they have surrounding them? Dalton/aj..brees and whoever..Rodgers/jordy..luck and ty..Stafford/megatron..big ben Antonio... list goes on and on... CALM YOURSELVES DOWN.. guy has had 5 oc's in 5 years.. NO RB.. horrible WR(no one near a elite one) and u want him to do good?

[The Greek]

every year they say flacco needs a better supporting cast yet they never get him anybody. flacco must improve his game as well. he needs a running game and defense behind him to be successful

[Bruce_Almty]

all you flacco bashers.... have absolutely no clue what youre talking about... I can easily say 15-20 teams WISH AND PRAYED TO GOD they can have someone Flacco under center...Just take a look at other ''better'' qbs... what have they done with the talent they have surrounding them? Dalton/aj..brees and whoever..Rodgers/jordy..luck and ty..Stafford/megatron..big ben Antonio... list goes on and on... CALM YOURSELVES DOWN.. guy has had 5 oc's in 5 years.. NO RB.. horrible WR(no one near a elite one) and u want him to do good?

totally bogus argument.

[jhulax35]

Really Flacco is the problem.. what about a lot dropped balls by the wr ... or do you think joe throws too hard like someone else on here.. Joe still needs get rid the ball quicker but the wr still need the separation.. did you see the separation the pats wr were getting against the steelers.. Actually let's keep talking about the pats game when Joe threw in double coverage and Wallace arms were wide open and it was int.. plus the wr need learn to look at joe when they lease get 5 yards especially if they are hot wr because I saw a lot balls not caught because of that. the right side of oline is not that good we rarely ever run the ball to the right and if we keep running left well that's pretty predictable.. The problem Joe try's force plays and gets in trouble but that's with any Qb .. 

[krnraven]

Get Joe a QB coach or face another losing season due to his sloppy mechanics. If Joe's throwing motion is wrong will they say something? I doubt it.

[sami]

“We are going to build a football team around Joe, and Joe is going to be another year removed from the injury. We are going to build an offensive line that is best in the league, and we are going to put a running game together that is going to support the quarterback,” Harbaugh said.

WOW, Harbaugh you just figured out what it takes to win...fans have been saying this for years!!!

Don't forget the Ravens did draft a LT #1 and a LG/LT #4. Plus drafted a WR #1 the year before. They are trying, ya have to give them credit for that. If it wasn't for injuries to the OL it would have been pretty good.

[rmcjacket23]

I'm confused. The FO says we need to strengthen our Oline but I think our starting group of Stanley, Lewis, Yanda and Wagner is pretty darn good. So the problem must be our Pro Bowl center? (I know I am floored by that too) Then its our receivers who before the season we were told are the best group in Ravens history. But for some reason they cant get seperation and Joe needs clear separation to throw the ball otherwise he hesitates. Then its always the OC's fault. Terrible scheme and play calling. Yeah that must be it. I think we will look back in the 10 years and laugh at how many players and staff have been thrown under the bus to avoid admitting Joe Flacco is the problem. I know we are stuck with him and I dont have a solution to offer but it's starting to look like this may be the case. 10th season. Think about that for a minute. In what skills has he improved over the last decade? After 10 years of doing the same job most people become much, much better. Sorry for the rant, I am just finished making excuses for our QB. Every year it's someone elses fault he is not succeeding. Madness at the castle. 

Well he's certainly a lot better than he was in, say, 08-10, but I don't think he's that much better than he was, say, 4-5 years ago.

But then again, I'm not sure there's many QBs that doesn't apply to either. I don't think Drew Brees is really any better than he was, say, 8 years ago. Aaron Rodgers doesn't look any better to me this year than he did in like 2011. In fact, some QBs even become worse.

I think QBs take an obvious leap in that 3rd-5th year range, and then every year afterwards they ideally just become a little bit better.

[jhulax35]

Get Joe a QB coach or face another losing season due to his sloppy mechanics. If Joe's throwing motion is wrong will they say something? I doubt it.

Yes bring Jim Zorn back

[whobilly]

  21 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

all you flacco bashers.... have absolutely no clue what youre talking about... I can easily say 15-20 teams WISH AND PRAYED TO GOD they can have someone Flacco under center...Just take a look at other ''better'' qbs... what have they done with the talent they have surrounding them? Dalton/aj..brees and whoever..Rodgers/jordy..luck and ty..Stafford/megatron..big ben Antonio... list goes on and on... CALM YOURSELVES DOWN.. guy has had 5 oc's in 5 years.. NO RB.. horrible WR(no one near a elite one) and u want him to do good?

totally bogus argument.

Who would you argue for Ryan Fitzpatrick, EJ Manuel, etc.? Never said Joe was the best QB in the league. Lets face it. There is Brady. There is Rodgers. There is everybody else. In a QB starved league there would be a lot a takers for Joe if we didn't buck up after the Super Bowl. Just out of curiosity, how did you feel when the confetti was falling down on us after the Super Bowl. The purple, black, and gold confetti that is.

[whobilly]

Flacco won a SB with a great TEAM in 2012. It is now 2017. It's time to let it go and focus on what he has done lately.

Made GREAT in part by Joe. Never said he was the best QB in the league but Ravens Fans would have gone crazy if we let him walk.

[Wildwest Raven]

I'm tired of what Joe needs and Harbaugh can blow smoke with the best politician as he laid out a plan ANY Qb could succeed with, so back it up or shut up. See you in the spring.

[ByTheBay]

28 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

all you flacco bashers.... have absolutely no clue what youre talking about... I can easily say 15-20 teams WISH AND PRAYED TO GOD they can have someone Flacco under center...Just take a look at other ''better'' qbs... what have they done with the talent they have surrounding them? Dalton/aj..brees and whoever..Rodgers/jordy..luck and ty..Stafford/megatron..big ben Antonio... list goes on and on... CALM YOURSELVES DOWN.. guy has had 5 oc's in 5 years.. NO RB.. horrible WR(no one near a elite one) and u want him to do good?

It's great when an argument includes how stupid everyone that doesn't agree with you is 😀

But I will throw you a bone to make your case. Please go ahead and name 15-20 teams that would trade their starting QB for the 23rd best QB in Flacco. I can see about 5 or 6. Keep in mind that they will be taking him with his 3rd highest salary in the league. A number people keep saying will be dwarfed every year by new higher contracts but I'm not seeing it actually happen. 

 

[OriolesMagicPlease]

1 hour ago, jravens1313 said:

Flacco won a SB with a great TEAM in 2012. It is now 2017. It's time to let it go and focus on what he has done lately.

Yes, let's just forget or completely ignore one of sports' greatest accomplishments. It was a team effort, but it is obvious that Joe's fantastic play lead them to the victory. Oh wait, let's pretend that never happened either.

Edited January 26 by OriolesMagicPlease

[ByTheBay]

17 minutes ago, jhulax35 said:

Really Flacco is the problem.. what about a lot dropped balls by the wr ... or do you think joe throws too hard like someone else on here.. Joe still needs get rid the ball quicker but the wr still need the separation.. did you see the separation the pats wr were getting against the steelers.. Actually let's keep talking about the pats game when Joe threw in double coverage and Wallace arms were wide open and it was int.. plus the wr need learn to look at joe when they lease get 5 yards especially if they are hot wr because I saw a lot balls not caught because of that. the right side of oline is not that good we rarely ever run the ball to the right and if we keep running left well that's pretty predictable.. The problem Joe try's force plays and gets in trouble but that's with any Qb .. 

Ravens were ranked #15 in the league in dropped passes. Right in the middle. Every team has dropped passes. 

[OriolesMagicPlease]

1 minute ago, ByTheBay said:

Ravens were ranked #15 in the league in dropped passes. Right in the middle. Every team has dropped passes. 

How about crucial drops? There is a difference you know.

[Minionhunter]

  19 minutes ago, jhulax35 said:

Really Flacco is the problem.. what about a lot dropped balls by the wr ... or do you think joe throws too hard like someone else on here.. Joe still needs get rid the ball quicker but the wr still need the separation.. did you see the separation the pats wr were getting against the steelers.. Actually let's keep talking about the pats game when Joe threw in double coverage and Wallace arms were wide open and it was int.. plus the wr need learn to look at joe when they lease get 5 yards especially if they are hot wr because I saw a lot balls not caught because of that. the right side of oline is not that good we rarely ever run the ball to the right and if we keep running left well that's pretty predictable.. The problem Joe try's force plays and gets in trouble but that's with any Qb .. 

Ravens were ranked #15 in the league in dropped passes. Right in the middle. Every team has dropped passes. 

You are making the point. Ravens #15 in dropped passes, 8-8 record. Go Figure.

[ByTheBay]

1 minute ago, OriolesMagicPlease said:

How about crucial drops? There is a difference you know.

Every team has crucial drops too

[jhulax35]

  21 minutes ago, jhulax35 said:

Really Flacco is the problem.. what about a lot dropped balls by the wr ... or do you think joe throws too hard like someone else on here.. Joe still needs get rid the ball quicker but the wr still need the separation.. did you see the separation the pats wr were getting against the steelers.. Actually let's keep talking about the pats game when Joe threw in double coverage and Wallace arms were wide open and it was int.. plus the wr need learn to look at joe when they lease get 5 yards especially if they are hot wr because I saw a lot balls not caught because of that. the right side of oline is not that good we rarely ever run the ball to the right and if we keep running left well that's pretty predictable.. The problem Joe try's force plays and gets in trouble but that's with any Qb .. 

Ravens were ranked #15 in the league in dropped passes. Right in the middle. Every team has dropped passes. 

Guess you don't think that's a little wrong with all the short passes completed to the RB

[Minionhunter]

  41 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

all you flacco bashers.... have absolutely no clue what youre talking about... I can easily say 15-20 teams WISH AND PRAYED TO GOD they can have someone Flacco under center...Just take a look at other ''better'' qbs... what have they done with the talent they have surrounding them? Dalton/aj..brees and whoever..Rodgers/jordy..luck and ty..Stafford/megatron..big ben Antonio... list goes on and on... CALM YOURSELVES DOWN.. guy has had 5 oc's in 5 years.. NO RB.. horrible WR(no one near a elite one) and u want him to do good?

It's great when an argument includes how stupid everyone that doesn't agree with you is 😀

But I will throw you a bone to make your case. Please go ahead and name 15-20 teams that would trade their starting QB for the 23rd best QB in Flacco. I can see about 5 or 6. Keep in mind that they will be taking him with his 3rd highest salary in the league. A number people keep saying will be dwarfed every year by new higher contracts but I'm not seeing it actually happen. 

 

It is starting to happen now, but will accelerate through the end of his contract. The assumption is that the salary cap will continue to increase (not accelerate, but just the steady predicted increases). It will take off when Carr, Mariota and Winston need to be redone.

[OriolesMagicPlease]

1 minute ago, ByTheBay said:

Every team has crucial drops too

Of course they do. But you can't just discount ours because of that. Any stats to show who has the most important drops?

[Minionhunter]

  48 minutes ago, ByTheBay said:

I'm confused. The FO says we need to strengthen our Oline but I think our starting group of Stanley, Lewis, Yanda and Wagner is pretty darn good. So the problem must be our Pro Bowl center? (I know I am floored by that too) Then its our receivers who before the season we were told are the best group in Ravens history. But for some reason they cant get seperation and Joe needs clear separation to throw the ball otherwise he hesitates. Then its always the OC's fault. Terrible scheme and play calling. Yeah that must be it. I think we will look back in the 10 years and laugh at how many players and staff have been thrown under the bus to avoid admitting Joe Flacco is the problem. I know we are stuck with him and I dont have a solution to offer but it's starting to look like this may be the case. 10th season. Think about that for a minute. In what skills has he improved over the last decade? After 10 years of doing the same job most people become much, much better. Sorry for the rant, I am just finished making excuses for our QB. Every year it's someone elses fault he is not succeeding. Madness at the castle. 

Well he's certainly a lot better than he was in, say, 08-10, but I don't think he's that much better than he was, say, 4-5 years ago.

But then again, I'm not sure there's many QBs that doesn't apply to either. I don't think Drew Brees is really any better than he was, say, 8 years ago. Aaron Rodgers doesn't look any better to me this year than he did in like 2011. In fact, some QBs even become worse.

I think QBs take an obvious leap in that 3rd-5th year range, and then every year afterwards they ideally just become a little bit better.

And that is with a consistent offensive system. Joe has had none. When was he at his best? When he was at the end of Cam's system just Caldwell calling it. Even SSS said he was confused on plays because the terms were all screwed up and that was just his route, think about the QB's head on the 5th system in 5 years....

[jhulax35]

  7 minutes ago, OriolesMagicPlease said:

How about crucial drops? There is a difference you know.

Every team has crucial drops too

Some teams have worst Qbs you probably want them instead of Joe

[ByTheBay]

15 minutes ago, whobilly said:

Made GREAT in part by Joe. Never said he was the best QB in the league but Ravens Fans would have gone crazy if we let him walk.

No doubt about it. Every fan including myself would have lost it had they let Joe walk in 2013. However, I believe we would now be laughing at whoever picked him up much in the same way Houston looks like fools for signing and paying Osweiler. Hindsight is 20/20 and I'm not arguing that we shouldn't have signed him. Ozzie was put in a tough spot. Thats the past. My argument is in the now and if anything short of surrounding joe with stars at every position will ever make him worth his pay. The same pay which makes it impossible to put stars around him. See the problem?

[rmcjacket23]

9 minutes ago, Minionhunter said:

And that is with a consistent offensive system. Joe has had none. When was he at his best? When he was at the end of Cam's system just Caldwell calling it. Even SSS said he was confused on plays because the terms were all screwed up and that was just his route, think about the QB's head on the 5th system in 5 years....

I think most would say his best season was 2014 under Kubiak, and he was only in that system for one year essentially. 

Did think 2009-2012 with Cameron/Caldwell he was pretty good also.

Edited January 26 by rmcjacket23

[Minionhunter]

  1 hour ago, ibleedpurpleandblack said:

“We are going to build a football team around Joe, and Joe is going to be another year removed from the injury. We are going to build an offensive line that is best in the league, and we are going to put a running game together that is going to support the quarterback,” Harbaugh said.

WOW, Harbaugh you just figured out what it takes to win...fans have been saying this for years!!!

Don't forget the Ravens did draft a LT #1 and a LG/LT #4. Plus drafted a WR #1 the year before. They are trying, ya have to give them credit for that. If it wasn't for injuries to the OL it would have been pretty good.

And the penalties Sami, and the penalties.... The drive killing penalties wiping out first down after first down and huge gains. Offensive holding again. I wanted to rip my eyeballs out in nearly every single game because of the penalties on the O line.

Also, Dennis Pitta turning into a matador's cape every time he was called to block someone. Someone called him an atrocious blocker, I say that gives a bad name to every atrocious blocker who is actually trying to block (like Zuttah) but is constantly beaten. Dennis looked like he literally just said, "Nah, you just run on by me and deck Joe this time, I'll dodge out of your way so I won't hinder you in any way of getting a bone crushing sack."

Our Probowl center - lol. Didn't we send Sharece Wright to the probowl as a corner? - whoever said that the probowl is for everyone who likes participation trophies was spot on.

Kicker, longsnapper, punter, fullback - guys who have the lowest paying but most essential jobs on the team - AND young talent (going for the first time) - they tend to be the honest and deserving awarded/attendees at the probowl. IMHO