[News] Late For Work 1/24: Ravens Entering One Of Most Crucial Offseasons In Team History

[JetLife94]

I was flipping out when we didn't draft Deion Jones!!!!. Dude is a baller like Danny treviathan, Brandon Marshall, etc. 

[whobilly]

  49 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

alll of these 1st/2nd/3rd guys....Elam, Brown, Maxx, Davis, KC, Perriman-upshaw that's 6 PLAYERS that should be starters and dominating... yet not one knows how to play the RAVENS WAY. all this ''IN OZZ WE TRUST'' hahahahahah ill keep my mouth shut on what I think about it ...ill use my favorite word here and stay classy.... PATHETIC

The draft is not just about the first 3 rd, it is about the 7 rds and the UDA. Maxx, Perriman, KC are not bust yet. Was Paul Krauger a bust, was Jimmy Smith a bust, how long it tooks then to the players they are. You mention Elam, Brown, etc.. What about B Williams, Juice, Tucker, KO, Pitta, Wagner etc.. I can keep naming them. How every year NFL teams spend money on our free agents. It is because we have been drafting well. Again NFL draft is not just rd1,2 and 3. No team or GM will draft 7 starters each year in the draft. If you can get 3/4 starters of each draft through their rookie contract, then you will be successful as GM. This is the nature of the game. Our FO has been doing a very good job. They are among the best in the league and no one can't argue.

Agree to a certain extent about the Draft being more than Rounds 1,2,and 3. On the other hand, the players you do draft at #1, #2, and #3 BETTER be more than roster fillers/special teams players. Take a look at the first three players the Ravens picked going back to 2009.
A few Impact guys, a few good players, and LOTS of mediocre roster filler players and BUSTS.

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, jravens1313 said:

Maxx Williams was hurt all year. Hard to say he is a miss when he showed a lot of promise as a Rookie. Karl Davis is mainly a run stuffer. Perriman shows a lot of promise as a big play WR. I think he dominates fade routes/jump balls, and has the speed to take any play to the house. How we use him in year three will be the telling sign. All year I saw a coaching staff that had no clue how to utilize their roster to get the most out of each players skillset. That is the biggest problem IMO. 

I agree, non creative play calling killed us. How we only attempted 2-3 targets a game for Perriman was baffling. When he gets the ball in his hands he is lightning.

[The Greek]

gruden made a big mistake. he is banking everything with his coaching staff just like harbs is this next season.

[The Greek]

failed high draft picks have hurt. correa needs to step up. i wanted thomas or spence badly. wonder if the scouts are being overuled by ozzie when we r on the clock or the scouting dept needs some better scouts.

[The Greek]

Call me a dreamer if you like, but I have strong feeling that we will get a lot pleasant surprises this off season, hint Alshon Jeffery, Pierre Garçon, Brandon Marshall, CB Trumaine Johnson, Gilmore, Boyle, trade for Harden. Also we will sign Wagner and Juice. We will give a cheaper, cap friendly contract to Doom, Web, Pitta and Wallace. Then the draft will be so nice to us. I know the FO is under pressure and I know they will react well. Last year they were under pressure about missing on draft picks, but what a reaction it was, Stanley, Lewis, Young, Dixon, Jutton and more to come, Kaufusy, Canady, Henry. Let wait and see. I have faith on this organization.

harbaugh and flacco are under pressure as well. if they miss the playoffs next season than several people will be out of jobs.

[steelcityraven]

alll of these 1st/2nd/3rd guys....Elam, Brown, Maxx, Davis, KC, Perriman-upshaw that's 6 PLAYERS that should be starters and dominating... yet not one knows how to play the RAVENS WAY. all this ''IN OZZ WE TRUST'' hahahahahah ill keep my mouth shut on what I think about it ...ill use my favorite word here and stay classy.... PATHETIC

Well.... most TEs do not come in and light it up as a rookie. Look at Eric Ebron or heck... even Gronk.... it took them a couple of years to grow into a NFL TE.... I think Maxx is no exception. Don't be too quick to call him a bust.

Same is true to Davis. I think Davis had a good rookie campaign. He was injured this year but there was not pressing need to rush him back to action bc of the emergence of Pierce. Davis will be healthy and ready to go next year (especially if we lose BW)

Upshaw didn't play bad and is showing more of his potential at Atlanta. Remember that he was fully used to his potential here bc most of the time he played behind a healthy Suggs and Dum- and we still got one of those comp picks for him (I think Tavon) so hard to call that a bust.

Perriman ... basically had his rookie year this year...
He posted 500 yards and 3 TDs playing as a # 3 WR.

Lets look at some other rookie WRs
Michael Thomas 1137 yards 9TDs
Sterling Shepard 693 yards 8 TD's
Corey Coleman 413 yards 3TDs
Will Fuller 635 yards 2 TDs
Malcolm MItchell 401 yards 4 TDs
Chris Conley 530 yards 0 TDs
John Doctson 66 yards 0 TDs
Laquon Treadwell 15 yards 0 TDs

So... considering that this is in essence Perrimans rookie season. He finished in the middle of the pack amongst some very highly touted rookie WRs this season. IN fact the Patriots and Chiefs are calling Mitchell and Conley breakout players and the put up less #s then Perriman did. Sterling Shepard had a great year ad wasn't exactly light years ahead of Perriman (and Shepard was the #2 WR in NY whereas Perriman was the # 3 in BMORE). Fuller is being called a rising star in the NFL and he put up 130 more rec yards and 1 less TD then Perriman. I think the expectations are still high for Perriman.

KC... while his rookie year was a very big disappointment and while am not 100% sure what we saw in him to make us jump that high for him. I am still not ready to close the books and call him a bust. I think he has a motor and wants to learn... so I think he will be able to at least be a solid contributor.

Elam and Brown were truly just misses. That happens some times, but I am not ready to say that all of those guys were a bust....in fact I do not believe that and I think that they will prove many people wrong over the next couple of years.

[The Greek]

2 hours ago, RavenManiac#7 said:

I fear our beloved Ravens organization, which was once the model of excellence for the NFL, has become quite the opposite now. The scouting department is far from what it used to be. Ozzie consistently whiffs with early round selections in the draft, and that is devastating to a team. He, also, believes in an unwise strategy of hoarding as many mid and late round selections as he can get, which produces very few starters but many mediocre players. Yes, he hit on Stanley but, goodness, it was at pick #6. And there was C J a few years ago but, again, that was with pick #17. But, what about his other 1st rounders and his 2nd and 3rd rounders. Not a whole lot, except for misses. Remembering that Bisciotti wanted Ozzie to trade up for Matt Ryan but let Ozzie, instead, wait and pick Flacco, with Ozzie saying that Flacco was the one we wanted, really hurts right about now. I have Never been a Flacco basher but I have come to believe that Ryan is the better QB. And, our FO is horrible at managing the Cap and making personnel decisions that affect it. All this, while considering all the needs we have that this article points out surely does not give me a lot of confidence that we will see much improvement next year. I fear Wagner is as good as gone, as is Williams. All I can do is hope that I am wrong about Everything I have just pointed out, and I certainly Do hope that. I just can no longer say "in Ozzie we trust" because I just don't anymore. Oh well, I'll still ALWAYS love my Ravens, though, in good times and bad.

ryan has a creative oc in shanahan that utilizes his players skills and a gm that has made some solid draft picks. flacco has no creative oc nor players that can make plays. maybe dixon and perriman next season but they are not guaranteed to do so. flacco needs to put in the work as well. read defenses, be quicker in releasing the ball and make the guys around him better. instead of worrying about the deep pass lets make the routes shorter like the patriots do with edelman ammendola and hogan and when defenses move up they burn them with the deep pass. need more plays in the middle of the field as well. 

Edited January 24 by The Greek

[merryjman]

  2 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

alll of these 1st/2nd/3rd guys....Elam, Brown, Maxx, Davis, KC, Perriman-upshaw that's 6 PLAYERS that should be starters and dominating... yet not one knows how to play the RAVENS WAY. all this ''IN OZZ WE TRUST'' hahahahahah ill keep my mouth shut on what I think about it ...ill use my favorite word here and stay classy.... PATHETIC

Well.... most TEs do not come in and light it up as a rookie. Look at Eric Ebron or heck... even Gronk.... it took them a couple of years to grow into a NFL TE.... I think Maxx is no exception. Don't be too quick to call him a bust.

Same is true to Davis. I think Davis had a good rookie campaign. He was injured this year but there was not pressing need to rush him back to action bc of the emergence of Pierce. Davis will be healthy and ready to go next year (especially if we lose BW)

Upshaw didn't play bad and is showing more of his potential at Atlanta. Remember that he was fully used to his potential here bc most of the time he played behind a healthy Suggs and Dum- and we still got one of those comp picks for him (I think Tavon) so hard to call that a bust.

Perriman ... basically had his rookie year this year...
He posted 500 yards and 3 TDs playing as a # 3 WR.

Lets look at some other rookie WRs
Michael Thomas 1137 yards 9TDs
Sterling Shepard 693 yards 8 TD's
Corey Coleman 413 yards 3TDs
Will Fuller 635 yards 2 TDs
Malcolm MItchell 401 yards 4 TDs
Chris Conley 530 yards 0 TDs
John Doctson 66 yards 0 TDs
Laquon Treadwell 15 yards 0 TDs

So... considering that this is in essence Perrimans rookie season. He finished in the middle of the pack amongst some very highly touted rookie WRs this season. IN fact the Patriots and Chiefs are calling Mitchell and Conley breakout players and the put up less #s then Perriman did. Sterling Shepard had a great year ad wasn't exactly light years ahead of Perriman (and Shepard was the #2 WR in NY whereas Perriman was the # 3 in BMORE). Fuller is being called a rising star in the NFL and he put up 130 more rec yards and 1 less TD then Perriman. I think the expectations are still high for Perriman.

KC... while his rookie year was a very big disappointment and while am not 100% sure what we saw in him to make us jump that high for him. I am still not ready to close the books and call him a bust. I think he has a motor and wants to learn... so I think he will be able to at least be a solid contributor.

Elam and Brown were truly just misses. That happens some times, but I am not ready to say that all of those guys were a bust....in fact I do not believe that and I think that they will prove many people wrong over the next couple of years.

I think you are right on the money in every point you made. It's hard to be a commenter at this time of year, when you have to watch someone else in the playoffs, because it's so easy to be negative.

[GMAC]

  4 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

Wagner isn't worth 10M if we didn't want to pay KO that. All those Zuttah haters and he got the pro bowl nod, lol. The o-line and system are the biggest question marks entering the offseason. Marty better not waste another year of our fans free time.

Those bottom dweller teams with cap can surprise anyone. A LG--KO--was paid $60 million. 

I'd love to know how all these teams have so much cap room to steal our best players and overpay them every year. It's like we're the farm team for so many other franchises.

[Purple Dawg 96]

Ozzie and Co. just needs to keep doing what their doing and if some don't like it kick rocks! Joe Flacco and the Offense killed our season with bad passes and play calling! The skins cowboys pats squeelers and bungles are the only teams to really beat us and those other games the Offense "CHOKED" plain and simple killing our season! It all starts at the QB just ask the pats squeelers and packers! And when the QB doesn't play well unnecessary finger pointing for the next 8 months smh!

[whobilly]

Ozzie and Co. just needs to keep doing what their doing and if some don't like it kick rocks! Joe Flacco and the Offense killed our season with bad passes and play calling! The skins cowboys pats squeelers and bungles are the only teams to really beat us and those other games the Offense "CHOKED" plain and simple killing our season! It all starts at the QB just ask the pats squeelers and packers! And when the QB doesn't play well unnecessary finger pointing for the next 8 months smh!

You are what your record says you are. Good teams find a way to win some of the games we lost. Mediocre teams like the Ravens find a way to lose them. We were a very mediocre team this season.

[whobilly]

  5 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

  5 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

Wagner isn't worth 10M if we didn't want to pay KO that. All those Zuttah haters and he got the pro bowl nod, lol. The o-line and system are the biggest question marks entering the offseason. Marty better not waste another year of our fans free time.

Those bottom dweller teams with cap can surprise anyone. A LG--KO--was paid $60 million. 

I'd love to know how all these teams have so much cap room to steal our best players and overpay them every year. It's like we're the farm team for so many other franchises.

Oakland was able to overpay KO because they have not yet faced the breaking the bank for the QB that all teams with decent/NOT GREAT QB's eventually have to address. Two to three years from now the Raiders will be losing quality players.

[ravefan52]

5 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Best available could be an offensive tackle:
Ramczyk- Wisconsin or Robinson- Alabama

That's intriguing. Having Bookends would be sweet

They probably won't be BPA because this is a terrible OT class and there's a lot of teams desperate for OT's. Also, that's what we already had with Wagner, probably worse. If our 1st round pick is used to weaken RT then say goodbye to next season.

[metalraven]

were are slowly becoming the browns ... this is pathetic

hahaha. my god, man. no. freaking. way. not even in the same conversation.

[metalraven]

I share the sentiment of others here: I feel our roster could use upgrades, of course. However, I think this year was more of a coaching problem. If they can rectify that, and utilize the existing talent we have, I think we'll be back in the hunt.

[gkro]

I wonder if anyone has ever proposed that the team that drafts a player be allowed to better negotiate for that player when his initial contract is up by having only a portion of the new contract money (vs the entire amount) count against the cap. IOW, the team that invested the time and money in training him gets a little something back for the work they've done. Make sense?

[mearzunkies]

I agree with DB with our round 1 choice. Then pass rush, more DB's and more pass rush. RB? WTH Maybe in round 5. Wagner may just be a Raven next season. B. Will is gone. Webb should restructure yet again and save the Ravens a mil or so. IMO

[Trevarski]

8 hours ago, potomacpitbulls said:

To me Onwuasor is the man for the job inside. Correa should be moved back outside and play his natural position where he had 12 sacks as a sophomore and 7 as a junior. As for WAAY TOO early draft thoughts, we all agree this team needs playmakers. These 3 would make me happy.

First Round:
Jabrill Peppers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8wQa5tYznQ

Second Round:
Adoree' Jackson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROTgXqxyzq4

Third Round:
Donnel Pumphrey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK5GpJoxI3w
 

Onwuasor is a beast and he's hungry. Remember all the big hits he gave last summer? I believe he'll win the job for sure. I never want to assume that a player is going to be a bust, especially after an injury or a rookie year, therefore, Correa could still be a beast.

[purpledown]

Thank you Joe Flacco!!! This team will never recover from his contract. Another year of picking up other teams leftovers, old washed up vets and "potential" All Pros. We should be seeing a new regime takeover by this time next year.

[BmoreFan15]

Zach Banner can replace Wagner.

[Crusader]

  On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 0:29 PM, leziRav said:

  On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 0:17 PM, Azzi22 said:

alll of these 1st/2nd/3rd guys....Elam, Brown, Maxx, Davis, KC, Perriman-upshaw that's 6 PLAYERS that should be starters and dominating... yet not one knows how to play the RAVENS WAY. all this ''IN OZZ WE TRUST'' hahahahahah ill keep my mouth shut on what I think about it ...ill use my favorite word here and stay classy.... PATHETIC

The draft is not just about the first 3 rd, it is about the 7 rds and the UDA. Maxx, Perriman, KC are not bust yet. Was Paul Krauger a bust, was Jimmy Smith a bust, how long it tooks then to the players they are. You mention Elam, Brown, etc.. What about B Williams, Juice, Tucker, KO, Pitta, Wagner etc.. I can keep naming them. How every year NFL teams spend money on our free agents. It is because we have been drafting well. Again NFL draft is not just rd1,2 and 3. No team or GM will draft 7 starters each year in the draft. If you can get 3/4 starters of each draft through their rookie contract, then you will be successful as GM. This is the nature of the game. Our FO has been doing a very good job. They are among the best in the league and no one can't argue.

Agree to a certain extent about the Draft being more than Rounds 1,2,and 3. On the other hand, the players you do draft at #1, #2, and #3 BETTER be more than roster fillers/special teams players. Take a look at the first three players the Ravens picked going back to 2009.
A few Impact guys, a few good players, and LOTS of mediocre roster filler players and BUSTS.

Fans seemed to have lowered their standards for the high rounds picks in just being able to staying on the team.

[bigcatfrank1]

Call me a dreamer if you like, but I have strong feeling that we will get a lot pleasant surprises this off season, hint Alshon Jeffery, Pierre Garçon, Brandon Marshall, CB Trumaine Johnson, Gilmore, Boyle, trade for Harden. Also we will sign Wagner and Juice. We will give a cheaper, cap friendly contract to Doom, Web, Pitta and Wallace. Then the draft will be so nice to us. I know the FO is under pressure and I know they will react well. Last year they were under pressure about missing on draft picks, but what a reaction it was, Stanley, Lewis, Young, Dixon, Jutton and more to come, Kaufusy, Canady, Henry. Let wait and see. I have faith on this organization.

I like the idea of Trumaine Johnson and anyone of the the 3 WR would work. there goes 12 mil - so lets say Doom, Aiken, Wright and Arrington gone for those 2 guys. Boyle and Gilmore for Harden ? i dont know but maybe who knows $ have to equal. Juice, Pitta and Webb are doable. Wallace will need help so gonna have to dump Zuttah. I dont see how they keep Wagner at 10 mil, but there may be some space to make up somewhere. Otherwise we will need OL help. I would not keep all both Allen and West, but its gonna cost to get a third to replace one of them so there is no savings there. The Linebackers are fine, I think you are correct about the rest of the team and keep as many of the FA as possible maintaining close current cap hits.

[sizzlingdoom]

  15 hours ago, whobilly said:

Another 8-8 year leads to a major blow up of the organization. If we are depending on Arthur Brown......I mean Correa to step in and play we are off to a shaky start. KC was a 4th to 5th round pick but we outsmarted everybody and picked him in the 2nd round. CP. (Can't Play)

Lmao touché. I remember in draft night I screamed bloody murder when we picked him! I knew he was a 4th-5th round talent at best and look at it now. We passed on Spence, M. Alexander, Shepard, Thomas, jones--who everyone knew would be a good coverage LB. 

I loved the rebuttals that everyone on this page gave when I criticized him, "oh he's got a crazy motor, he's relentless, he wraps up well." Guess what? He lacked ideal size, had short arms, lacked any arsenal of legitimate pass rush moves, only played well against mediocre Pac-12 lineman and wasn't excessively quick or capable of moving inside so why did he go in the second? 

I'm right there with you. I thought Shepard had a chance of going in the first. I was screaming at the tv for him when we were on the clock. It's such a shame how drafting, and now coaching are just destroying the Ravens. There was zero competition this year and we couldn't make the playoffs. Yet the Dolphins and Texans could, lol. Yeah, picking KC was a joke. Well actually he has a high motor..so we're good. HAHA. Spence could've been a top 10 pick if he didn't get caught for X- what college kid hasn't tried it. Alexander was considered the top cb in the draft for a long time. And Thomas and Shepard were the best wrs. Our drafting has been a joke. It sucks. Without the signings of SSS and Weddle we would've been bottom feeders of the NFL for the past several years. Time to clean house. It's been time. Funny how a lot of fans gripe at a group of us cuz were "negative"....yet the writers of this site keep coming out with articles stating exactly what we're saying, just days later lol

[sizzlingdoom]

I love how we probably already wrote off Wagner. We are becoming a joke of a franchise. We can't even keep our good players and instead have replaced them with the league's recycling bin of players. If we are not doing that we are whiffing on early round replacements.

   I am 90% positive Ozzie will let Williams and Wagner go, then there goes the top talent of another draft class. The sick part about the whole thing is Ozzie will then draft Cam Robinson or McDowell to replace one of them then continue to neglect corner and pass rusher, unless he takes a mid round talent. Lately we just seem to lose two good players then replace them with one at best. 

I agree with this post 100%. It's sad. Ridiculous how there was even an article about Steve not wanting to sell the Ravens. That's how bad things are. The front office is in complete disarray and they have all lost their ways. That's what used to make us strong, now it's making us crumble. No coaching, no drafting, and no resigning our best homegrown players. We really are starting to look like the browns and 9ers. We just have a couple left over pieces from the past that are keeping us from going full on stupid. But that'll be over soon. Can't believe Steve didn't clean house this year. Made my stomach turn when I saw each individual coach was coming back, let alone all three of them. What a joke

[RaRaRavens]

This offseason is so crucial because we have FAILED with most of our past draft picks and our young players are not picking up the slack. That's why we have so many needs all over the place. And the difference makers or even good starters we do manage to find or develop over the years we just let walk out the door come FA. You'll see that again in March when B.Williams and Wagner will be allowed to leave, which leaves us with 2 more holes. Whoever we will have to replace them, there will be a significant drop in each of their positions production and in the overall performance of this team. Like I've said couple of years now, this team is slowly but steadily headed for the rock bottom. If significant changes are not made then in couple of seasons our most interesting games will be against the Browns because we MIGHT be able to get a win against them.


"Correa Can Go From ‘Draft Disappointment’ To Starter"? More like "Correa Can Go From ‘Draft Disappointment’ To a Disappointment at Starter". Even his position coach said publicly that Correa is not 100% committed to football. To even be relevant in this league you must bee 100% committed 24/7, 365 days a year. So unless somehow Correa completely changes his mindset, he'll be another one of our early round draft busts. And to say he'll go to be a starter...he's million miles away from being the starter, what a joke. And we passed up on guys like Myles Jack, Noah Spence and Sterling Shepard up because of him...another miserable fail by the FO. Oz better be praying every night for Correa to become even a decent backup player so he wouldn't have completely wasted the pick.

[RaRaRavens]

1 hour ago, sizzlingdoom said:

Funny how a lot of fans gripe at a group of us cuz were "negative"....yet the writers of this site keep coming out with articles stating exactly what we're saying, just days later lol

This is SO true. I've been downvoted to oblivion for saying that Flacco needs to step up, our drafting has not been good past couple of years etc. Good thing I didn't receive any death threats.

Then 2 days later Biscotti says the exact same things and everybody is like "I completely agree with Mr.B, what an insightful opinions he has.". LMAO. 

But it's refreshing to see that there are still some people left on these boards who are capable of independent thinking and who can see beyond the naive feel-good optimism that is as far away from truth as we are from finding a no 1 WR. 

[RaRaRavens]

12 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

Ozzie and Co. just needs to keep doing what their doing

If they keep doing what they have been doing in the draft for the past 5 years, we will be the new Browns in no time. Even Biscotti called them out over the recent drafts.

[sizzlingdoom]

  2 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

Funny how a lot of fans gripe at a group of us cuz were "negative"....yet the writers of this site keep coming out with articles stating exactly what we're saying, just days later lol

This is SO true. I've been downvoted to oblivion for saying that Flacco needs to step up, our drafting has not been good past couple of years etc. Good thing I didn't receive any death threats.

Then 2 days later Biscotti says the exact same things and everybody is like "I completely agree with Mr.B, what an insightful opinions he has.". LMAO. 

But it's refreshing to see that there are still some people left on these boards who are capable of independent thinking and who can see beyond the naive feel-good optimism that is as far away from truth as we are from finding a no 1 WR. 

Seriously. You whats really refreshing? For whatever reason I can't vote or even see the results of people voting for comments, good or bad. And I can't vote myself either. Very very refreshing. And yeah, it's sad seeing fans get upset for us admitting the truth. Even when the owner of the teams comes out and says all the same things we're saying publicly. Steve should've already cleaned house. Looks like everyone has one more year. Too bad. Cuz the greatest qb and offensive mind of the past 5 years + was ava. for a head coach. Now he's gonna coach the worst team in football- Shanahan. I think he would've chosen the Ravens instead. Would've been the absolute best thing we could've done for Joe and the Ravens. Now we're stuck with inept coaching in all 3 phases once again.

[Rav'n Maniac]

Isn't every draft crucial for the Ravens, or have I missed something?