[News] Center Jeremy Zuttah Added To Pro Bowl Roster

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The veteran will make his first trip to the NFL's annual all-star game.

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[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Seriously? Snapping to Andy Dalton?

[BigUgly]

You Gotta Be <>Me

[mc_red23]

How?! 

[LaBamba]

Were no other centers available?

[ellicottraven]

The same day Eric Weddle was selected for the probowl Zuttah was selected also because of somebody dropping out. Something's terribly wrong with the probowl for 2 of the above reasons. First it took somebody dropping out for Weddle to make it. And Zuttah making it no matter who dropped out.

[JetLife94]

I hope we draft a Bully center or sign one. Zutta is good depth but he's gets pushed around to much. 

[ArsenalRaven666]

Zuttah got in after Pouncey pulled out injured. How is Zuttah in there !? are all the 15 other centers injured??

Anyone want to trade for a pro-bowl center ??

[hen826957]

I don't know how Zuttah got in the Pro Bowl but this Pro Bowl appearance won't let Zuttah off the hook. I would still cut him and get another quality center. Hopefully the draft or somebody like Nick Mangold get cut.

[Swift 1]

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

The same day Eric Weddle was selected for the probowl Zuttah was selected also because of somebody dropping out. Something's terribly wrong with the probowl for 2 of the above reasons. First it took somebody dropping out for Weddle to make it. And Zuttah making it no matter who dropped out.

I  seen on one of my Philly relative sites that the Eagles center also made it

[Swift 1]

Maybe we re over critical of the center position/

[ellicottraven]

2 minutes ago, Swift 1 said:

Maybe we re over critical of the center position/

We probably are. One of the forum members here on the 'free agent thread' went back and looked at Zuttah's games and he felt that Zuttah wasn't all that bad after all. I can't remember who but you can check it out...

[BigUgly]

Maybe we re over critical of the center position/

No, we are not. Joe consistently had pressure in his face, which (like Brady) really disrupts his progressions. On a play where he gets pushed back 3 yards, Zuttah may still grade out high if he is still in front of the defender and that defender doesn't get a sack, but he is still ineffective. Does not pass the eye test. Now that he is a Pro Bowl player, he is the epitome of overrated.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

You got to be kidding me First a safety that can't tackle now a canter that can't block no wonder nobody watches the pro bowl

[billiejean]

46 minutes ago, BigUgly said:

7 hours ago, Swift 1 said:

Maybe we re over critical of the center position/

No, we are not. Joe consistently had pressure in his face, which (like Brady) really disrupts his progressions. On a play where he gets pushed back 3 yards, Zuttah may still grade out high if he is still in front of the defender and that defender doesn't get a sack, but he is still ineffective. Does not pass the eye test. Now that he is a Pro Bowl player, he is the epitome of overrated.

Yea yo are. Pressure op the middle doesn't mean that Zuttah was the one who was at fault for giving up the pressure. Ive been saying this all year. Jeremy had a rough first four games and from there he played well. There is no way that you could have watched Jeremy Zuttah on every single play during the season. People are basing their opinions about Zuttahs play on probably about 1 percent of the plays that he played during the year. He had one terrible game where he backed up on Joe twice. Im not sure which game that was but it was one of the first four. But since that time people have had the unfounded perception that, that type of thing has been happening all year. And it really hasn't. As i said before it is absolutely impossibility for anyone to have watched Zuttah on every single play. And as Ive been saying he has been consistently in the top 5 for offensive performers in the last 12 games. Which is why he had the fifth best grade on on our offense for the entire year. Unless you and a friend have done the following for every single play during the year then you haven't seen the whole picture.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/

As i said before pressure up the middle does not mean that Zuttah gave that pressure up. Our guards were shuffled all season and once the line was solidified towards the end of the season Ducasse was clearly the weak link. Its also not always a OL fault. In the Philadelphia game on two separate occasions Joe was sacked or hurried because, Kenneth Dixon and then Juice, did not pick up the blitz. Its hard to see who is at fault during a game because

1. Your eyes aren't focused on the offensive line the entire time
2. Unless they show a replay it can be hard to see exactly what is happening in the middle of the OL because the view often is obscured by other players.

All that said Zuttah did have a problem this year. A big problem in fact. And that was penalties. Especially in that Dallas game. I think he also had a critical penalty in that Steelers game as well. And those yellow flags have also contributed to the perception that he wasn't playing well. I am not advocating that we keep him next year because he is awfully expensive, but if we let him go, there is not a player that is on our current roster that would do an adequate job of replacing him. We would have to count on either a FA or a draft pick to fill that void. I am also not saying that he deserves to go to the probowl.  I dont necessarily have a way of accurately assessing all of the centers in the league (no way in hell am I paying for that PFF subscription), but I would think that there would be a few that played better than JZ did this year.

Edited January 24 by billiejean

[law215]

You got to be kidding me First a safety that can't tackle now a canter that can't block no wonder nobody watches the pro bowl

Agreed. Weddle maybe because of the picks. But Zuttah. Anyone following the Ravens could see how often he was pushed in the backfield .

[The Greek]

zuttah was not awful but he does not get the push up the middle that we need to have a power running game. like i said on another thread if we can retain him for cheap than i would so he can mentor our draft pick. if we trade for a center or sign a better free agent that we can let him go

[Raven1995]

Zuttah got in after Pouncey pulled out injured. How is Zuttah in there !? are all the 15 other centers injured??

Anyone want to trade for a pro-bowl center ??

13. Zuttah 1, Pouncey 2, and New England's center 3, is going to the Super Bowl.

[Raven1995]

Maybe we re over critical of the center position/

I don't think so. When Atlanta got Alex Mack it changed everything. I remember the Falcons coming to Baltimore in 2014 and their offensive line got pushed around and Matt Ryan had no time to do anything. Suggs Safety was pretty cool too.

[OriolesMagicPlease]

Pro Bowl is a joke.

[ByTheBay]

Well the game has been moved from Hawaii to Orlando. I guess Orlando is fine to take your kids to disney world but other than that.... Let's just say it's no Honolulu. Players dont want to go to there. Add in that its such a boring game nobody can stand to watch it and you get sub par players in a sub par game. Anybody here having a "pro bowl" party? Didn't think so 😀  It's a relic. Time to move on and leave it behind. 

[whobilly]

zzzzzzz zzzzzzz zzzzzzz zzzzzzzz Wake me up when its over

[sami]

maybe us viewers arent as smart as we think we are

[RicknRoll]

I was shocked to see Zutah selected. But I must admit the comments made by "billiejean" hit it right on the head. It's good to hear from people with good Football Sense. Whether by Draft or Free agency, unless they are better, then leave it alone. 

[gellinho]

Did I watch another Jeremy Zuttah this season?

[RicknRoll]

Moving the game from Hawaii is a terrible move by the NFL. Hawaii is an awarding gift to the Players that were selected to go. And an chance for a nice vacation for those who are able to go. Who the hell wants to go to Florida? Not many. Affordable to most? Yes, desire -able over Hawaii? NO! It's supposed to be awarding to the Players and their families. Florida? Really? There are 31 other Football states, I think there is more to do in New Orleans than Orlando for one. How about some where in Sunny California? The NFL is a grossly RICH! Organization. They can come up with something better than Orlando, and how about making some rule changes that force the Players to play a REAL FOOTBALL GAME? Be it monetary incentive or whatever. Give the Fans something REAL to watch?

[ByTheBay]

1 hour ago, sami said:

maybe us viewers arent as smart as we think we are

It's not just the fans Sami. The whole front office from Biscotti to Newsome to Harbaugh all said the Oline needs an upgrade. If not Zuttah then who? I like what we have in Stanley, Lewis, Yanda and Wagner. Clearly we need better depth but depth is not what Biscotti said. He wants change. So if not Zuttah then who?

Its starting to look like our QB really is the problem. No matter the Oline or Receivers or OC. They all get thrown under the bus to save the front office from having to admit they have invested an enormous amount of money in a less than capable QB. I really hope as we all do that after another year from his injury Joe comes back next year better than ever. 

[billiejean]

1 hour ago, ByTheBay said:

3 hours ago, sami said:

maybe us viewers arent as smart as we think we are

It's not just the fans Sami. The whole front office from Biscotti to Newsome to Harbaugh all said the Oline needs an upgrade. If not Zuttah then who? I like what we have in Stanley, Lewis, Yanda and Wagner. Clearly we need better depth but depth is not what Biscotti said. He wants change. So if not Zuttah then who?

Its starting to look like our QB really is the problem. No matter the Oline or Receivers or OC. They all get thrown under the bus to save the front office from having to admit they have invested an enormous amount of money in a less than capable QB. I really hope as we all do that after another year from his injury Joe comes back next year better than ever. 

well we wont be able to keep Wagner and Ducasse was clearly the weak link there. And it not like Zuttah is a top 10 center. He came in at 13 which is in the top half of the league but hes taking up a lot of cap space there. I don't think there are any centers that would come in as upgardes to Zutah so the draft is where we do that. The other thing is deciding what kind of block scheme we will be running most next year. Zuttah is a much better zone blocker than a power guy.  With all that said if letting Zuttah is the only feasible way for us to resign Rick, I would do it in a heart beat.  The only thing that is worrisome is that there is most likely going to be a team that will over pay him like KO last year (getting LT money to play LG).  And in that case there isn't any chance that we will be able to keep him which is a bummer but it is the right choice.

Edited January 24 by billiejean

[BigUgly]

  12 hours ago, BigUgly said:

  19 hours ago, Swift 1 said:

Maybe we re over critical of the center position/

No, we are not. Joe consistently had pressure in his face, which (like Brady) really disrupts his progressions. On a play where he gets pushed back 3 yards, Zuttah may still grade out high if he is still in front of the defender and that defender doesn't get a sack, but he is still ineffective. Does not pass the eye test. Now that he is a Pro Bowl player, he is the epitome of overrated.

Yea yo are. Pressure op the middle doesn't mean that Zuttah was the one who was at fault for giving up the pressure. Ive been saying this all year. Jeremy had a rough first four games and from there he played well. There is no way that you could have watched Jeremy Zuttah on every single play during the season. People are basing their opinions about Zuttahs play on probably about 1 percent of the plays that he played during the year. He had one terrible game where he backed up on Joe twice. Im not sure which game that was but it was one of the first four. But since that time people have had the unfounded perception that, that type of thing has been happening all year. And it really hasn't. As i said before it is absolutely impossibility for anyone to have watched Zuttah on every single play. And as Ive been saying he has been consistently in the top 5 for offensive performers in the last 12 games. Which is why he had the fifth best grade on on our offense for the entire year. Unless you and a friend have done the following for every single play during the year then you haven't seen the whole picture.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/

As i said before pressure up the middle does not mean that Zuttah gave that pressure up. Our guards were shuffled all season and once the line was solidified towards the end of the season Ducasse was clearly the weak link. Its also not always a OL fault. In the Philadelphia game on two separate occasions Joe was sacked or hurried because, Kenneth Dixon and then Juice, did not pick up the blitz. Its hard to see who is at fault during a game because

1. Your eyes aren't focused on the offensive line the entire time
2. Unless they show a replay it can be hard to see exactly what is happening in the middle of the OL because the view often is obscured by other players.

All that said Zuttah did have a problem this year. A big problem in fact. And that was penalties. Especially in that Dallas game. I think he also had a critical penalty in that Steelers game as well. And those yellow flags have also contributed to the perception that he wasn't playing well. I am not advocating that we keep him next year because he is awfully expensive, but if we let him go, there is not a player that is on our current roster that would do an adequate job of replacing him. We would have to count on either a FA or a draft pick to fill that void. I am also not saying that he deserves to go to the probowl.  I dont necessarily have a way of accurately assessing all of the centers in the league (no way in hell am I paying for that PFF subscription), but I would think that there would be a few that played better than JZ did this year.

The reason Zuttah will be released next year is not his cap hit, it is because he is not very good. If he weren't perceived by the FO as such a weakness, he would be kept at that cap figure.

[billiejean]

1 hour ago, BigUgly said:

The reason Zuttah will be released next year is not his cap hit, it is because he is not very good. If he weren't perceived by the FO as such a weakness, he would be kept at that cap figure.

He not a top 10 center but hes in the top half of the league.  He was ranked 13 this year 9 last year.  So yea there is room for improvement.  And if your definition of bad is not being in the top 10, then yea he is bad. But as Ive said you are basing your opinion on his play on about 1 percent of the plays that he has been in this year becasue there is no way that you have focused in on him for every single play of every single game this year.  He was ranked as the fifth ranked offensive player on our roster.  The weakest link on the line is Ducasse by a large margin.  And the front office has to determine weather being in the end of the first half of all centers justifys his cap number.  I will say this, if the best way to bring Rick back involves droping Jz than im all for that.  All of that really depends on what types of offers he get.  And if we drop him we would have to look outside of the roster to fill that void,, which im not apposed to either..