[News] Mel Kiper Names Four Cornerback Options For Ravens In 2017 NFL Draft

[RavensDieHard21]

2 hours ago, The Beak said:

Tabor is more aggressive and has more upside, Jones is  a little soft(see alabama game) , Wilson has more speed than tabor but tabor is better man press corner , tabor plays with a nasty edge .. But wilson or tabor would be great.

Tabor is the kind of corner that plays really well in college but then gets a wake up call in the NFL. He is too aggressive for the skill set  and speed he has. He gambles a lot and gets toasted often as he doesn't have tremendous recovery speed. He doesn't play the ball in a lot of passes and forgets to turn his head. Penalty. He grabs way too much beyond the 5 yard mark and that will be a constantly called penalty.

wilson has tighter coverage and better recovery speed as well. 

Jones is superior in almost every way. He has just as good of ball skills set he has the speed to recover off the line, he is confident when the ball is in the air and never panics by grabbed the WR before the ball arrives.

[TheConquerorWorm]

The funny thing about the 2011 draft, we actually had the 26th pick. We froze, the clock ran out, and we were passed by KC. We luckily selected Jimmy at 27.
We can't make that mistake again,especially at 16.

We didn't freeze. We had a trade in place but the Bears backed out when the NFL officials called to confirm.

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

we are soooooo far away from contention its not even funny... were missing a RB.. SOME OL.. ALOT OF WR.. DL.. LBS(ILB OLB)DB...S.. we need help at everyyy position and were not the type to break the bank or draft for need. I really don't see us doing much of anything for another 2-5 years. Drafts have put us back... players wanting more money.. injuries...$.... now lets wait another 4 months for the draft to hear a name NONE of us is heard of but ozzie thinks is good... UTTER PATHETIC

Lol overreaction? Yes, this offseason is incredibly important. We nail this draft and add some pieces via FA and we will be ready to bang next January. We miss and we will be looking through the glass at 7-9 or 8-8 again.

QB, check

RBs, check 

Offensive line, needs upgrade at center, we have a premier LT and an all-pro at RG, hopefully retain Wagner as a pro bowl worthy RT. 

Receivers, need upgrade but we never have a premier unit regardless. 

Defense, run stuffers up front, Suggs and Judon as our rusher, Mosley, Weddle, Young, Webb and Smith. 

We add another game ready rusher, corner and center and make no mistake we will be back 

 

[thieverycorporation]

If we got off of two picks that amounted to nothing in the last two drafts we could have had Ha Ha Clinton-Dix AND Jalen Ramsey. Because we so valued Bronson Kafusi we couldn't get Ramsey, similar situation with Clinton-Dix). When players start mattering more than picks we will do well, as long as Ozzie continues to buy into the mentallity that a pick is more important than players, then we will keep getting 11 draft picks a year and end up cutting 7 of them and 10 or those 11 never make it to the end of their rookie contracts and resigns.

I think Harbaugh is doing wonders with what the FO refuses to give him.

You may be on to something. I don't think Harbaugh is the greatest problem but part of it. I think Ozzie needs to revamp his strat asap.

[Saxxin]

I think safety is a bigger need. But just my opinion.

[Ravens_Flock]

I think safety is a bigger need. But just my opinion.

Our corners behind Jimmy Smith are either inconsistent or flat out suck. And Jimmy is unreliable, as he is also inconsistent, and often hurt. Tavon Young had really good flashes, but I think he is better suited as a nickle/slot corner. We would be best served by drafting a big corner with good coverage skills and an eye for the ball to start on the outside. We do need to improve at safety as well, but I corner is a more glaring need, and has been our main issue for the last several seasons.

[Ravens_Flock]

I know "a lot of teams passed on him", but to think that the Ravens took Jimmy Smith in the first round in 2011, when they could have had a guy like Richard Sherman all these years. It's insane. Smith is good, but he's not first round good. He has flashes of greatness, and then frequent bouts of inconsistency. And his injury issues have held him back from ever truly improving.

I'm not say we need to move on, but we do need to plan for a Post-Smith, Post-Webb world. I know Weddle will be around for a couple of years yet, probably, but we really need to develop a whole new secondary. I think Young fits in, but not really as an outside starter. Not long-term, not against these tall WRs the league favors.

[zing21042]

we are soooooo far away from contention its not even funny... were missing a RB.. SOME OL.. ALOT OF WR.. DL.. LBS(ILB OLB)DB...S.. we need help at everyyy position and were not the type to break the bank or draft for need. I really don't see us doing much of anything for another 2-5 years. Drafts have put us back... players wanting more money.. injuries...$.... now lets wait another 4 months for the draft to hear a name NONE of us is heard of but ozzie thinks is good... UTTER PATHETIC

Unfortunately, I agree. Look at the salary cap situation. We are always battling the cap. We pick good players, they become great players just to loose them over the cap a few year later. Granted, it happens to many teams, but the Baltimore is the poster child for salary cap losses. The Ravens are fast becoming the "farm club team" for the rest of the NFL. All the NFL teams look to the Ravens for the best of the free agency market.

I would like someone to explain why an 8-8 team and the prior year a 5-11 team is constantly fighting the cap (right now $18 mil for 2017 and ranked 5th from the bottom) and why the Super Bowl contenders Steelers, and Patriots are projected (currently) to be $43 mil and $68 mil under the cap, respectively before the 2017 draft? And that does not even include the cap increase for 2017. These numbers can easily rise to $58 mil and $83 mil by the time free agency rolls around. Even the Bengals are sitting at $47 mil right now. These teams have money to blow to resign the best on their team and hire the best from free agency. At those levels of cap space the draft becomes secondary to them. The Ravens on the other hand have to say good bye to their best and "hope" to replace them with someone who can "do the job" among the rookies available.

Do you think the Patriots 'dynasty' has anything to do with Belichick being coach and general manager???

Anyway, until our general managers can get this situation under control, 2-5 years is a reasonable outlook. By that time we will be beyond the Flacco debacle.

JMHO

[Rav'n Maniac]

Lattimore certainly has all the tangibles we would want but, with so little tape as a starter is he worth moving up to get him? Our #1 & #2 is enough to move up to 8th if he falls that far and if he is truly the player you want, can we afford to spend more to go get him.

[zing21042]

  12 hours ago, leziRav said:

  14 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

we are soooooo far away from contention its not even funny... were missing a RB.. SOME OL.. ALOT OF WR.. DL.. LBS(ILB OLB)DB...S.. we need help at everyyy position and were not the type to break the bank or draft for need. I really don't see us doing much of anything for another 2-5 years. Drafts have put us back... players wanting more money.. injuries...$.... now lets wait another 4 months for the draft to hear a name NONE of us is heard of but ozzie thinks is good... UTTER PATHETIC

Maybe you should root for another team. Ravens are not far away from contention. We were very close this year. Have we had Jimmy on field against the Giants and Steelers, we would have been playing the Pats last night. So we are only CBs away from contention. OL, OLB only need upgrade. We just need different type of WR and RB. We are not in a hole and will be in the dance next year. Go Ravens

this team is close, just a few moves away from the playoffs. We could have done as good as the Steelers did yesterday with the team we had this year.

I apologize in advance, but I think you are kidding yourself. The Ravens have always been a team to keep games close. That being said, among this years opponents and over a period of 16 games, (if memory serves) we only won 2 games against teams with winning records...the Steelers and Miami. Look at the records of some of the others we beat; 1-15 (Browns), 3-13 (Jags), 6-9 (Bengals), 7-9 (Bills) and 7-9 (Eagles). And you really think we are a few moves away?

The Browns right now are projected to be $110 million under the cap. Adding in an estimated $15 mil for the 2017 increase, that is $125 mil UNDER the cap. They can afford to go out and fill every key position from prowl bowl players next year. That does not even include two first round picks in the upcoming draft. The Ravens could easily find themselves at the bottom of the division next year. Look what happened to our offensive line when we lost Osemele this year.

The fact is that the Ravens continue to lose their best players to the cap and have lost their passion to play. With the retirement of Smith, we no longer have anyone to light a fire under the team. The biggest shame is that Flacco even 8-9 years in, still does not know how to run a 2 minute drill. Joe needs 4 minutes to run what "elite" QBs can do with less than 50 seconds left. That is why the Ravens can never sit on a lead i.e., the Steelers game.

I am rambling a bit here, but the fact is that there are a lot of things wrong with this team and "...a few moves.." is not going to get us to the playoffs...in my opinion.

[Rizixcon]

I don´t want Tabor. Think he gets burned and takes chances way to often. I'd go with Sidney Jones or Wilson at this Point. Gareon Conley is also way too underrated at the moment, but I think he will rise in the next couple of weeks. I could also see us going pass rush/wr in the first and adress the CB position with a Cordrea Tankersley in the second.

Jones - Takk McSakk - Malachi Dupree
Solomon Thomas - Tankersley - Kupp
Corey Davis - Tankesley - Ryan Anderson

Those are all three options I could live with. Then take a safety with the second third rounder and go for center and a back in the fourth and fifth.

People talk about us being bad at drafting. Don't agree with that. The 2013 draft hurts us really badly with Elam and Arthur Brown and at the moment Correa and Williams in the two latest second rounders hurts quite badly, but the rest has turned out quite good. Perriman, Williams and Correa needs more time, but CJ, Lewis, Young and so on has been great picks.

[Drew P]

Who cares what DB's they get as long as they are 2 bigger bodied guys from the draft not some practice squad spares 2 weeks into the season.

[leziRav]

1 hour ago, zing21042 said:

I apologize in advance, but I think you are kidding yourself. The Ravens have always been a team to keep games close. That being said, among this years opponents and over a period of 16 games, (if memory serves) we only won 2 games against teams with winning records...the Steelers and Miami. Look at the records of some of the others we beat; 1-15 (Browns), 3-13 (Jags), 6-9 (Bengals), 7-9 (Bills) and 7-9 (Eagles). And you really think we are a few moves away?

The Browns right now are projected to be $110 million under the cap. Adding in an estimated $15 mil for the 2017 increase, that is $125 mil UNDER the cap. They can afford to go out and fill every key position from prowl bowl players next year. That does not even include two first round picks in the upcoming draft. The Ravens could easily find themselves at the bottom of the division next year. Look what happened to our offensive line when we lost Osemele this year.

The fact is that the Ravens continue to lose their best players to the cap and have lost their passion to play. With the retirement of Smith, we no longer have anyone to light a fire under the team. The biggest shame is that Flacco even 8-9 years in, still does not know how to run a 2 minute drill. Joe needs 4 minutes to run what "elite" QBs can do with less than 50 seconds left. That is why the Ravens can never sit on a lead i.e., the Steelers game.

I am rambling a bit here, but the fact is that there are a lot of things wrong with this team and "...a few moves.." is not going to get us to the playoffs...in my opinion.

I think those are just your opinion. What the cap space of the Brown has to do with us making the play offs. The Brown always had big cap number space and had multiple first rd picks in years. We all know the result.

Regarding the record of the team we beat, that is not a projection of next season. This year most of team were average, record does not matter.What matters is how we play the big team.  We were very close of beating those big boys. Had we had good corners, we would have won the giants, steelers and maybe the comboys which would have take us to play off. So we are close. Every expert who watch our games will say we are few players away from being in the dance. The good thing is that we can fil  those holes in the draft and don't have to spend a lot of money in free agency.

So please don't compare us to the Brown and if you think we will be at the bottom of the division, then you must be in the wrong camp then. The Ravens organization is not a losing organization. We always fight and play hard. Go Ravens, next year will be our year.

[leziRav]

I don´t want Tabor. Think he gets burned and takes chances way to often. I'd go with Sidney Jones or Wilson at this Point. Gareon Conley is also way too underrated at the moment, but I think he will rise in the next couple of weeks. I could also see us going pass rush/wr in the first and adress the CB position with a Cordrea Tankersley in the second.

Jones - Takk McSakk - Malachi Dupree
Solomon Thomas - Tankersley - Kupp
Corey Davis - Tankesley - Ryan Anderson

Those are all three options I could live with. Then take a safety with the second third rounder and go for center and a back in the fourth and fifth.

People talk about us being bad at drafting. Don't agree with that. The 2013 draft hurts us really badly with Elam and Arthur Brown and at the moment Correa and Williams in the two latest second rounders hurts quite badly, but the rest has turned out quite good. Perriman, Williams and Correa needs more time, but CJ, Lewis, Young and so on has been great picks.

I like that. I think we should get premium pass rusher in the first rd and then address the secondary in the 2nd and 3rd round. Also we should use our 3rd picks for Osemele on a premium center, i think Guillermo, Fuller or even Ethan Pocic maybe there. Then in 4th and later rounds we address the WR, RB and depth in CBs and OL.

[Rizixcon]

  2 hours ago, Rizixcon said:

I don´t want Tabor. Think he gets burned and takes chances way to often. I'd go with Sidney Jones or Wilson at this Point. Gareon Conley is also way too underrated at the moment, but I think he will rise in the next couple of weeks. I could also see us going pass rush/wr in the first and adress the CB position with a Cordrea Tankersley in the second.

Jones - Takk McSakk - Malachi Dupree
Solomon Thomas - Tankersley - Kupp
Corey Davis - Tankesley - Ryan Anderson

Those are all three options I could live with. Then take a safety with the second third rounder and go for center and a back in the fourth and fifth.

People talk about us being bad at drafting. Don't agree with that. The 2013 draft hurts us really badly with Elam and Arthur Brown and at the moment Correa and Williams in the two latest second rounders hurts quite badly, but the rest has turned out quite good. Perriman, Williams and Correa needs more time, but CJ, Lewis, Young and so on has been great picks.

I like that. I think we should get premium pass rusher in the first rd and then address the secondary in the 2nd and 3rd round. Also we should use our 3rd picks for Osemele on a premium center, i think Guillermo, Fuller or even Ethan Pocic maybe there. Then in 4th and later rounds we address the WR, RB and depth in CBs and OL.

I think a center could be found later. Orlovsky is projected later than Pocic, so he should be there in the fourth. I´d go safety with one of our two third rounders and then I´d go for the position which we haven't adressed in R1 and R2 of CB and Edge. I'd go for another Oline player in the fourth as I said wether C or G it doesn't matter. Don't see any tackles of worth in this draft so late though.

[RavenManiac#7]

  17 hours ago, n#7 said:

  18 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

  22 hours ago, fusuymada said:

If we got off of two picks that amounted to nothing in the last two drafts we could have had Ha Ha Clinton-Dix AND Jalen Ramsey. Because we so valued Bronson Kafusi we couldn't get Ramsey, similar situation with Clinton-Dix). When players start mattering more than picks we will do well, as long as Ozzie continues to buy into the mentallity that a pick is more important than players, then we will keep getting 11 draft picks a year and end up cutting 7 of them and 10 or those 11 never make it to the end of their rookie contracts and resigns.

I think Harbaugh is doing wonders with what the FO refuses to give him.

While I would have loved to have had Jalen Ramsey opposite Jimmy Smith I am not ready to call Kafusi a bust. He got injured and may still turn out to be a great pick.

While I hear what you are saying... We don't want to start drafting the Randy Gregorys, Shawn Oakmans and Josh Gordons just bc they are talented.

We are trying to win the right way.... the teams that do it the other way may find temporary success but they typically run into problems with these guys and in the salary cap era you cannot afford to have these issues too often.

With that said -you cannot afford to miss on your top picks either... Elam, Arthur Brown, Upshaw (probably), Kameli Correa.... this is a trend that has to stop and I think it did with CJ and Ronnie Stanley being two of our last three top picks.

It is easy to second guess everything in hindsight. I know who I was hoping we would take in round 1 over the last 5 years... some are having a lot of success... some not so much.

Realisticaly... every GM is going to have some hit and miss.... What Ozzie and company has missed on in the draft recently they hit homeruns on in the FA market. (Weddle, Mike Wallace, SSS, Elvis, Daryl Smith, and more).

Gotta take the good with the bad.

All the ones they hit "HR's" on are in their 30's and on the way out. One does not sustain a team long term with that type of signings but it's done by drafting wisely with a view to the future. The Cowboys are a good example of that philosophy.

Can you imagine we've gone from "In Ozzie we trust" to citing Jerry Jones' drafting philosophy in a few years time! You are right though. What happened to the Ravens drafting since John became HC? Too much interference by John or has Ozzie lost his magic or alternately, have we lost too many talented scouts to other teams??

This is a very good post and just might hit at the root of our main problem. Until this FO figures out the answers to these questions, and corrects them, I fear that we will continue our downward spiral. Add to this our absolutely horrible decisions on signings in regards to the cap situation. We consistently live in "Cap Hades", and suffer from Ozzie's tunnel vision of thinking that quantity (draft picks) over quality (better players) is better. I, for one, have become convinced that he is wrong. It hurts me to have to say that I no longer believe "in Oz we trust".

[RavenManiac#7]

  18 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

we are soooooo far away from contention its not even funny... were missing a RB.. SOME OL.. ALOT OF WR.. DL.. LBS(ILB OLB)DB...S.. we need help at everyyy position and were not the type to break the bank or draft for need. I really don't see us doing much of anything for another 2-5 years. Drafts have put us back... players wanting more money.. injuries...$.... now lets wait another 4 months for the draft to hear a name NONE of us is heard of but ozzie thinks is good... UTTER PATHETIC

Maybe you should root for another team. Ravens are not far away from contention. We were very close this year. Have we had Jimmy on field against the Giants and Steelers, we would have been playing the Pats last night. So we are only CBs away from contention. OL, OLB only need upgrade. We just need different type of WR and RB. We are not in a hole and will be in the dance next year. Go Ravens

That's not fair. Why should Azzi22 have to root for another team just because he/she voices an opinion that you do not agree with? Actually, the last point made is, I believe, a valid one. Honestly now, how many of us had ever heard of our second and third round choices in the last draft Before the draft? I, for one, hadn't. I happen to agree that we are not close to contention, but I love my Ravens and will root for them as hard as ANYONE on here, in good times and bad. Isn't the whole purpose of commenting on here to voice our opinions of our team? Whether or not I agree with Anybody's opinion, I won't question their loyalty to our team. Let's be nice, shall we?

[leziRav]

  35 minutes ago, leziRav said:

  3 hours ago, Rizixcon said:

I don´t want Tabor. Think he gets burned and takes chances way to often. I'd go with Sidney Jones or Wilson at this Point. Gareon Conley is also way too underrated at the moment, but I think he will rise in the next couple of weeks. I could also see us going pass rush/wr in the first and adress the CB position with a Cordrea Tankersley in the second.

Jones - Takk McSakk - Malachi Dupree
Solomon Thomas - Tankersley - Kupp
Corey Davis - Tankesley - Ryan Anderson

Those are all three options I could live with. Then take a safety with the second third rounder and go for center and a back in the fourth and fifth.

People talk about us being bad at drafting. Don't agree with that. The 2013 draft hurts us really badly with Elam and Arthur Brown and at the moment Correa and Williams in the two latest second rounders hurts quite badly, but the rest has turned out quite good. Perriman, Williams and Correa needs more time, but CJ, Lewis, Young and so on has been great picks.

I like that. I think we should get premium pass rusher in the first rd and then address the secondary in the 2nd and 3rd round. Also we should use our 3rd picks for Osemele on a premium center, i think Guillermo, Fuller or even Ethan Pocic maybe there. Then in 4th and later rounds we address the WR, RB and depth in CBs and OL.

I think a center could be found later. Orlovsky is projected later than Pocic, so he should be there in the fourth. I´d go safety with one of our two third rounders and then I´d go for the position which we haven't adressed in R1 and R2 of CB and Edge. I'd go for another Oline player in the fourth as I said wether C or G it doesn't matter. Don't see any tackles of worth in this draft so late though.

I think that will be risky. If Pocic or Guillermo is sitting there at rd 3, I will take them instead of waiting 4th. I really doubt they will be there when we pick at end of rd3. Center is our needed position. If we go pass rusher and CB in first 2 rd, then safety in first pick in rd3, then we should address immediately the center position. I think Ozzie will get a possession WR in the free agency so we can address the WR in later rounds.

[ravens4life86]

Im wondering because this draft seems to be a deeper draft in the CB, OL, and overall Defensive players draft, if Ozzie would consider sliding back from 16th to 20-23 area if he can pick up an extra 3rd. That way you should have 3 3rds, with the KO comp pick and original pick.

And at 20-23 you may not be able to get Cook, Corey Davis, Mike Williams which could 20% chance slide to 16th, but early 20s still would have your pick up top Cbs like Jones,Jackson,Maybe Tabor still there, pass rushers Tj Watt, Harris,McKinley, etc

[ravens4life86]

Im full focused on draft couple months away..

Dream draft 1.0
Ravens
Rnd 1 16- Rb Cook, option 2 Defensive Gamechanger preferably pass rush, Barnett DE/OLBr, Thomas De/Dt, Ruben Foster ilbr, Peppers Lbr/S,Hooker S, Tabor Cb, Sidney Jones Cb
Trade back few spots get another pick, get a Tj Watt, Harris,McKinkey DE/OLBrs
Rnd 2- Watt,McKinley,Ryan Anderson, Devonte fields De/olbr
Rnd 3
2 pks OT Taylor Moton, Dorian Johnson OG, option 2 Dede Westbrook,Amarah Darboh, Travin Duval, Malichi Dupree Wrs, Samaje Perine,Donte Foreman,Gallman, Rbs Budda Baker, etc cbs
Rnd 4

[BallsoHard622]

I think safety is a bigger need. But just my opinion.

Our biggest need is corner our safeties are good. It's hard to find safeties an our safeties have only been on the job one season. Corner is our biggest need an why we didn't make the playoffs.

[Rizixcon]

  16 hours ago, Rizixcon said:

  16 hours ago, leziRav said:

  19 hours ago, Rizixcon said:

I don´t want Tabor. Think he gets burned and takes chances way to often. I'd go with Sidney Jones or Wilson at this Point. Gareon Conley is also way too underrated at the moment, but I think he will rise in the next couple of weeks. I could also see us going pass rush/wr in the first and adress the CB position with a Cordrea Tankersley in the second.

Jones - Takk McSakk - Malachi Dupree
Solomon Thomas - Tankersley - Kupp
Corey Davis - Tankesley - Ryan Anderson

Those are all three options I could live with. Then take a safety with the second third rounder and go for center and a back in the fourth and fifth.

People talk about us being bad at drafting. Don't agree with that. The 2013 draft hurts us really badly with Elam and Arthur Brown and at the moment Correa and Williams in the two latest second rounders hurts quite badly, but the rest has turned out quite good. Perriman, Williams and Correa needs more time, but CJ, Lewis, Young and so on has been great picks.

I like that. I think we should get premium pass rusher in the first rd and then address the secondary in the 2nd and 3rd round. Also we should use our 3rd picks for Osemele on a premium center, i think Guillermo, Fuller or even Ethan Pocic maybe there. Then in 4th and later rounds we address the WR, RB and depth in CBs and OL.

I think a center could be found later. Orlovsky is projected later than Pocic, so he should be there in the fourth. I´d go safety with one of our two third rounders and then I´d go for the position which we haven't adressed in R1 and R2 of CB and Edge. I'd go for another Oline player in the fourth as I said wether C or G it doesn't matter. Don't see any tackles of worth in this draft so late though.

I think that will be risky. If Pocic or Guillermo is sitting there at rd 3, I will take them instead of waiting 4th. I really doubt they will be there when we pick at end of rd3. Center is our needed position. If we go pass rusher and CB in first 2 rd, then safety in first pick in rd3, then we should address immediately the center position. I think Ozzie will get a possession WR in the free agency so we can address the WR in later rounds.

Well you seem certain that for instance Pocic is a sure thing, but he is a tall dude and might be too tall which means NT will gett under him and push him back. CB, Edge, WR and S are our biggest needs. Sure Zuttah isn't the best guy out there, but he is ok at least. We can afford to wait until the fourth for a center and as center is a devalued position there will be good talent in the fourth at that position.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

Yes we definitely need to draft a CB but cannot reasonably expect them to come in and be a shut down player. We need an experienced top quality CB to match with Jimmy, Young will be our starting slot, Weddle on the back end and not sure if Webb is going to stay or not. A young CB to learn the system and come in and help is all we can ask for. I think Young did just that and held his own for the most part this season

[Chuckx999]

We have to get another starting O lineman, a center, a RB who can get more than 2-3 years at a time, then DB's. Everything starts with the O line. Look at Dallas, Steelers, Falcons, New England. Look at the time those QB's have to read the D and find receivers. We all know how SLOW Flacco is at everything and if we are stuck with him, then O line is the most important piece to fix.

[GENE2407]

I'll believe it when I see it. Ozzie's been way too infatuated with his junk 4th and 5th round picks instead of moving up a couple spots in the 1st and 2nd round to take the blue chip guys we need. We need two good corners, this hasn't changed in 3 or 4 years. With our new strategy of drafting only academic scholars who go to church 5 times a week, who knows what we'll get?