[News] Mel Kiper Names Four Cornerback Options For Ravens In 2017 NFL Draft

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The Ravens have a chance to nab a top-notch cornerback with the No. 16 pick in this year's draft.

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[fusuymada]

If we got off of two picks that amounted to nothing in the last two drafts we could have had Ha Ha Clinton-Dix AND Jalen Ramsey. Because we so valued Bronson Kafusi we couldn't get Ramsey, similar situation with Clinton-Dix). When players start mattering more than picks we will do well, as long as Ozzie continues to buy into the mentallity that a pick is more important than players, then we will keep getting 11 draft picks a year and end up cutting 7 of them and 10 or those 11 never make it to the end of their rookie contracts and resigns.

I think Harbaugh is doing wonders with what the FO refuses to give him.

[ravens4life86]

Sidney Jones or Tabor if they are taking 1 in the 1st rnd

But Id prefer a pass rusher Barnett,Harris, etc

[Steve32]

If we got off of two picks that amounted to nothing in the last two drafts we could have had Ha Ha Clinton-Dix AND Jalen Ramsey. Because we so valued Bronson Kafusi we couldn't get Ramsey, similar situation with Clinton-Dix). When players start mattering more than picks we will do well, as long as Ozzie continues to buy into the mentallity that a pick is more important than players, then we will keep getting 11 draft picks a year and end up cutting 7 of them and 10 or those 11 never make it to the end of their rookie contracts and resigns.

I think Harbaugh is doing wonders with what the FO refuses to give him.

When is the last time we drafted 11 players and "end up cutting 7 of them."?

Answer: NEVER

During the last 4-5 years, all or nearly all of the draft picks have made the 53 man roster.

[nj_ravens]

If we got off of two picks that amounted to nothing in the last two drafts we could have had Ha Ha Clinton-Dix AND Jalen Ramsey. Because we so valued Bronson Kafusi we couldn't get Ramsey, similar situation with Clinton-Dix). When players start mattering more than picks we will do well, as long as Ozzie continues to buy into the mentallity that a pick is more important than players, then we will keep getting 11 draft picks a year and end up cutting 7 of them and 10 or those 11 never make it to the end of their rookie contracts and resigns.

I think Harbaugh is doing wonders with what the FO refuses to give him.

"Because we so valued Bronson Kaufusi we couldn't get Ramsey"

Wrong. Because we valued the 3rd round pick, which could have been anyone. He didn't know they would get Kaufusi, specifically. Your logical steps are backwards.

Ozzie didn't want to pay a premium (and extra pick) because Jerry Jones thought we were taking their guy, when we weren't.

If you wanted to complain that maybe we didn't take Javon Hargrave or Fuller in the 3rd that might be a more acceptable complaint. But what you're doing is analyzing with your 20/20 hindsight glasses on instead of looking at it "in the moment"

"similar situation with Clinton-Dix"

Wrong, we picked Mosley in that draft. Stud pick for a need position. Ha-Ha went 4 picks later. Ha-Ha has been good, but not amazing. I suppose you mean we didn't take him because we "already had Elam". Hard to tell, but Mosley was obviously ranked higher on the board since we picked him and not Dix, especially since we were obviously still looking for a safety and took Brooks at 3.

"If we got off of two picks that amounted to nothing in the last two drafts"

Wrong. Mosley didn't amount to nothing. Stanley didn't amount to nothing. Kaufusi, again, is nothing as long he is injured, but that's not nothing completely, nor is it nothing forever. You can't predict injuries with no injury history.

[TheKingFlip31]

No Adoree?

[nj_ravens]

  31 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

If we got off of two picks that amounted to nothing in the last two drafts we could have had Ha Ha Clinton-Dix AND Jalen Ramsey. Because we so valued Bronson Kafusi we couldn't get Ramsey, similar situation with Clinton-Dix). When players start mattering more than picks we will do well, as long as Ozzie continues to buy into the mentallity that a pick is more important than players, then we will keep getting 11 draft picks a year and end up cutting 7 of them and 10 or those 11 never make it to the end of their rookie contracts and resigns.

I think Harbaugh is doing wonders with what the FO refuses to give him.

When is the last time we drafted 11 players and "end up cutting 7 of them."?

Answer: NEVER

During the last 4-5 years, all or nearly all of the draft picks have made the 53 man roster.

This guy just likes to bash Ozzie and is blinded by hate. Our team is made up of low round picks that have made it. 5th-7th round picks sometimes don't make it, but they were risks anyway. We've had some high pick misses, but those guys still make the team for like 3 years. So I don't know where this guy gets his numbers from, but it's obviously because he's just pissed off about nothing.

[nj_ravens]

No Adoree?

I think he's getting mocked to the second round in most mock drafts.

[crazyboutravens]

When is Steve going to start hiring all the geniuses on this website. These guys could get us to many, many super bowls.

[ravensnj]

The funny thing about the 2011 draft, we actually had the 26th pick. We froze, the clock ran out, and we were passed by KC. We luckily selected Jimmy at 27.
We can't make that mistake again,especially at 16.

[The Beak]

If he is still there it's gotta be Tabor Right?

[RavensDieHard21]

2 hours ago, fusuymada said:

If we got off of two picks that amounted to nothing in the last two drafts we could have had Ha Ha Clinton-Dix AND Jalen Ramsey. Because we so valued Bronson Kafusi we couldn't get Ramsey, similar situation with Clinton-Dix). When players start mattering more than picks we will do well, as long as Ozzie continues to buy into the mentallity that a pick is more important than players, then we will keep getting 11 draft picks a year and end up cutting 7 of them and 10 or those 11 never make it to the end of their rookie contracts and resigns.

I think Harbaugh is doing wonders with what the FO refuses to give him.

I know we coveted Ramsey and that it would have killed Ozzie to give up that third, but in the end I think we will still win. Premier LTs are the second most important position on the offense and are in high demand, therefore if both hit peak potential then Stanley>Ramsey 10/10 times. 

I do recall in 14' Ozzie wanted to trade up for Mack and the report, never actually verified was that the Raidera wanted our first, second and third. That was a trade I would have easily taken. 

I hope we move up in he second though because regardless at 16 we are getting a premier talent. 

[RavensDieHard21]

18 minutes ago, The Beak said:

If he is still there it's gotta be Tabor Right?

No chance. I don't like him or Hump at 16. Sidney Jones and Quincy Wilson are both superior. 

[ravens4life86]

You know what early I forgot to mention Corey Davis out of Western Mich as another no.1 Mike Evans, Julio type wr. So besides Mike Williams there really is 2 bonefied no.1s

If they fell to 16 to grab, or Cook.

But preferably.. I want Pass rusher since Dumervil may be cut and is older, and or CB/S
Preferably Barnett,Williams,Solomon Thomas,Harris etc, Tabor, Jones cbs, Hooker, Peppers S

[clifton212]

I think we need the first two picks be offensive lineman. I suggest Cam Robinson, (OT) Alabama and Ethan Pocic, (C) LSU

[Azzi22]

we are soooooo far away from contention its not even funny... were missing a RB.. SOME OL.. ALOT OF WR.. DL.. LBS(ILB OLB)DB...S.. we need help at everyyy position and were not the type to break the bank or draft for need. I really don't see us doing much of anything for another 2-5 years. Drafts have put us back... players wanting more money.. injuries...$.... now lets wait another 4 months for the draft to hear a name NONE of us is heard of but ozzie thinks is good... UTTER PATHETIC

[n#7]

PASS RUSHER!!! A legit D lineman. Your DB's are only as good as your pass rush.

[Raven1995]

Mel Kiper had Matt Elam going at pick 31 in the 2013 draft to San Francisco, I wish he was right.

[ByTheBay]

2 hours ago, crazyboutravens said:

When is Steve going to start hiring all the geniuses on this website. These guys could get us to many, many super bowls.

While I don't like the pessimism either, this is a place for everyone's opinion and not just the ones that you agree with. It's important to listen to other people's views and not see the world through blinders. We have fallen short almost every year since the SB so something is wrong. Hopefully the FO has open eyes, ears and mind because the empty promises are starting to fall on deaf ears. 

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Just stick to football

[steelcityraven]

PASS RUSHER!!! A legit D lineman. Your DB's are only as good as your pass rush.

The Patriots don't have a great pass rush but they have very good DBs'
The Cardinals have an above avg pass rush and have great DBs
The Broncos have great DBs and a great pass rush
The Bills have very good DBs and an avg pass rush.
The Jets have a great pass rush and horrible DB play
The Sqeelers have a great pass rush and horrible DB play.

While I think that a good pass rush compliments good DBs... I don't think it makes up for a lack of quality DBs.

Look at our record over the past two years without Jimmy Smith. It is horrible. Now realisitically... Jimmy gets hurt every year... so we need an insurance policy. Tavon was a steal but he needs help and Sharece Wright is not the answer.

Plus we drafted Bronson Kafusi last season and he should be like an additional draft pick next year who will help our interior pass rush.

But make no mistake about it.... WE NEED A CB and a S
I like the thought of Gibrill Peppers in Purple

[steelcityraven]

If he is still there it's gotta be Tabor Right?

unless Dalvin Cook is on the board.

[steelcityraven]

If we got off of two picks that amounted to nothing in the last two drafts we could have had Ha Ha Clinton-Dix AND Jalen Ramsey. Because we so valued Bronson Kafusi we couldn't get Ramsey, similar situation with Clinton-Dix). When players start mattering more than picks we will do well, as long as Ozzie continues to buy into the mentallity that a pick is more important than players, then we will keep getting 11 draft picks a year and end up cutting 7 of them and 10 or those 11 never make it to the end of their rookie contracts and resigns.

I think Harbaugh is doing wonders with what the FO refuses to give him.

While I would have loved to have had Jalen Ramsey opposite Jimmy Smith I am not ready to call Kafusi a bust. He got injured and may still turn out to be a great pick.

While I hear what you are saying... We don't want to start drafting the Randy Gregorys, Shawn Oakmans and Josh Gordons just bc they are talented.

We are trying to win the right way.... the teams that do it the other way may find temporary success but they typically run into problems with these guys and in the salary cap era you cannot afford to have these issues too often.

With that said -you cannot afford to miss on your top picks either... Elam, Arthur Brown, Upshaw (probably), Kameli Correa.... this is a trend that has to stop and I think it did with CJ and Ronnie Stanley being two of our last three top picks.

It is easy to second guess everything in hindsight. I know who I was hoping we would take in round 1 over the last 5 years... some are having a lot of success... some not so much.

Realisticaly... every GM is going to have some hit and miss.... What Ozzie and company has missed on in the draft recently they hit homeruns on in the FA market. (Weddle, Mike Wallace, SSS, Elvis, Daryl Smith, and more).

Gotta take the good with the bad.

[n#7]

  4 hours ago, fusuymada said:

If we got off of two picks that amounted to nothing in the last two drafts we could have had Ha Ha Clinton-Dix AND Jalen Ramsey. Because we so valued Bronson Kafusi we couldn't get Ramsey, similar situation with Clinton-Dix). When players start mattering more than picks we will do well, as long as Ozzie continues to buy into the mentallity that a pick is more important than players, then we will keep getting 11 draft picks a year and end up cutting 7 of them and 10 or those 11 never make it to the end of their rookie contracts and resigns.

I think Harbaugh is doing wonders with what the FO refuses to give him.

While I would have loved to have had Jalen Ramsey opposite Jimmy Smith I am not ready to call Kafusi a bust. He got injured and may still turn out to be a great pick.

While I hear what you are saying... We don't want to start drafting the Randy Gregorys, Shawn Oakmans and Josh Gordons just bc they are talented.

We are trying to win the right way.... the teams that do it the other way may find temporary success but they typically run into problems with these guys and in the salary cap era you cannot afford to have these issues too often.

With that said -you cannot afford to miss on your top picks either... Elam, Arthur Brown, Upshaw (probably), Kameli Correa.... this is a trend that has to stop and I think it did with CJ and Ronnie Stanley being two of our last three top picks.

It is easy to second guess everything in hindsight. I know who I was hoping we would take in round 1 over the last 5 years... some are having a lot of success... some not so much.

Realisticaly... every GM is going to have some hit and miss.... What Ozzie and company has missed on in the draft recently they hit homeruns on in the FA market. (Weddle, Mike Wallace, SSS, Elvis, Daryl Smith, and more).

Gotta take the good with the bad.

All the ones they hit "HR's" on are in their 30's and on the way out. One does not sustain a team long term with that type of signings but it's done by drafting wisely with a view to the future. The Cowboys are a good example of that philosophy.

[Crusader]

Four good corner-backs but did anyone see Ozzie picking Perriman that year as a number one?

[n#7]

  1 hour ago, n#7 said:

PASS RUSHER!!! A legit D lineman. Your DB's are only as good as your pass rush.

The Patriots don't have a great pass rush but they have very good DBs'
The Cardinals have an above avg pass rush and have great DBs
The Broncos have great DBs and a great pass rush
The Bills have very good DBs and an avg pass rush.
The Jets have a great pass rush and horrible DB play
The Sqeelers have a great pass rush and horrible DB play.

While I think that a good pass rush compliments good DBs... I don't think it makes up for a lack of quality DBs.

Look at our record over the past two years without Jimmy Smith. It is horrible. Now realisitically... Jimmy gets hurt every year... so we need an insurance policy. Tavon was a steal but he needs help and Sharece Wright is not the answer.

Plus we drafted Bronson Kafusi last season and he should be like an additional draft pick next year who will help our interior pass rush.

But make no mistake about it.... WE NEED A CB and a S
I like the thought of Gibrill Peppers in Purple

Did you not see the time Big Ben had in that last drive to seal the deal for the Steelers? What about the last half of the season when the Ravens were either at the bottom on near so in pressuring the QB? One can have all pros at every position in the D backfield but if the QB has enough time he'll pick apart any D. That, Sir, is a fact acknowledged by all and even ones with only a rudimentary knowledge of the game.

[The Beak]

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

No chance. I don't like him or Hump at 16. Sidney Jones and Quincy Wilson are both superior. 

Tabor is more aggressive and has more upside, Jones is  a little soft(see alabama game) , Wilson has more speed than tabor but tabor is better man press corner , tabor plays with a nasty edge .. But wilson or tabor would be great.

[leziRav]

we are soooooo far away from contention its not even funny... were missing a RB.. SOME OL.. ALOT OF WR.. DL.. LBS(ILB OLB)DB...S.. we need help at everyyy position and were not the type to break the bank or draft for need. I really don't see us doing much of anything for another 2-5 years. Drafts have put us back... players wanting more money.. injuries...$.... now lets wait another 4 months for the draft to hear a name NONE of us is heard of but ozzie thinks is good... UTTER PATHETIC

Maybe you should root for another team. Ravens are not far away from contention. We were very close this year. Have we had Jimmy on field against the Giants and Steelers, we would have been playing the Pats last night. So we are only CBs away from contention. OL, OLB only need upgrade. We just need different type of WR and RB. We are not in a hole and will be in the dance next year. Go Ravens

[ellicottraven]

  1 hour ago, steelcityraven said:

  5 hours ago, fusuymada said:

If we got off of two picks that amounted to nothing in the last two drafts we could have had Ha Ha Clinton-Dix AND Jalen Ramsey. Because we so valued Bronson Kafusi we couldn't get Ramsey, similar situation with Clinton-Dix). When players start mattering more than picks we will do well, as long as Ozzie continues to buy into the mentallity that a pick is more important than players, then we will keep getting 11 draft picks a year and end up cutting 7 of them and 10 or those 11 never make it to the end of their rookie contracts and resigns.

I think Harbaugh is doing wonders with what the FO refuses to give him.

While I would have loved to have had Jalen Ramsey opposite Jimmy Smith I am not ready to call Kafusi a bust. He got injured and may still turn out to be a great pick.

While I hear what you are saying... We don't want to start drafting the Randy Gregorys, Shawn Oakmans and Josh Gordons just bc they are talented.

We are trying to win the right way.... the teams that do it the other way may find temporary success but they typically run into problems with these guys and in the salary cap era you cannot afford to have these issues too often.

With that said -you cannot afford to miss on your top picks either... Elam, Arthur Brown, Upshaw (probably), Kameli Correa.... this is a trend that has to stop and I think it did with CJ and Ronnie Stanley being two of our last three top picks.

It is easy to second guess everything in hindsight. I know who I was hoping we would take in round 1 over the last 5 years... some are having a lot of success... some not so much.

Realisticaly... every GM is going to have some hit and miss.... What Ozzie and company has missed on in the draft recently they hit homeruns on in the FA market. (Weddle, Mike Wallace, SSS, Elvis, Daryl Smith, and more).

Gotta take the good with the bad.

All the ones they hit "HR's" on are in their 30's and on the way out. One does not sustain a team long term with that type of signings but it's done by drafting wisely with a view to the future. The Cowboys are a good example of that philosophy.

Can you imagine we've gone from "In Ozzie we trust" to citing Jerry Jones' drafting philosophy in a few years time! You are right though. What happened to the Ravens drafting since John became HC? Too much interference by John or has Ozzie lost his magic or alternately, have we lost too many talented scouts to other teams??

[purpledown]

if they select a CB with the pick please make sure he can CATCH the ball when he is trying to intercept. That's why I'm worried about Peppers at 16 he cant catch the ball and he is not big enough for LB.

[purpledown]

  2 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

we are soooooo far away from contention its not even funny... were missing a RB.. SOME OL.. ALOT OF WR.. DL.. LBS(ILB OLB)DB...S.. we need help at everyyy position and were not the type to break the bank or draft for need. I really don't see us doing much of anything for another 2-5 years. Drafts have put us back... players wanting more money.. injuries...$.... now lets wait another 4 months for the draft to hear a name NONE of us is heard of but ozzie thinks is good... UTTER PATHETIC

Maybe you should root for another team. Ravens are not far away from contention. We were very close this year. Have we had Jimmy on field against the Giants and Steelers, we would have been playing the Pats last night. So we are only CBs away from contention. OL, OLB only need upgrade. We just need different type of WR and RB. We are not in a hole and will be in the dance next year. Go Ravens

this team is close, just a few moves away from the playoffs. We could have done as good as the Steelers did yesterday with the team we had this year.