[News] Late For Work 1/23: Is There A True No. 1 WR Out There For Ravens Like Julio Jones?

[metalraven]

Here's an idea: How about everyone KNOW their role, and play their role well. You don't need a Julio Jones to win a SB. In fact, the most recent SB winners never had a Julio Jones-like receiver. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when teams do have those types of receivers, they end up not being very good because all of their money is dumped on that one guy.

I hate to use them as an example, but the last time the Pats had a #1 WR was when Moss played for them. Yes, they were awesome, but they didn't win a SB. The Pats have been most successful with role players - and everyone knowing their place.

A Julio Jones would be awesome to have. So don't misunderstand me. But having a truly dominant WR is rarely the recipe for continued, consistent success. However, fundamentals are. Do all the little things right, and big things happen.

[Purple_Polo89]

  3 hours ago, MadStorkSociety said:

  3 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Julio Jones... Can't help remembering the YUUUUGE pack of picks the Falcons gave up to trade up and snatch Julio Jones. And the chances Ozzie will ever even consider such a trade... Never.

I'm not saying he's wrong - it was a huge risk of the Falcons that could have crippled their development for years if Jones doesn't turn out to be the star he is now. I'm just trying to gauge the chances of the Ravens getting an elite WR through the draft. Our "luck" is that the year we had a top-10 pick was the year where there was no elite WR in the draft...

And even if we got a WR like Jones... with the dismal offensive play calling we saw this season, he would hardly be anything close to what he is in Atlanta...

And talking about Atlanta... another thing I can't help remembering is how we could have had Shanahan as the new OC replacing Kubiak, but went with Trestman instead...

yes, especially that last paragraph.

Agree. Not only has the Ravens' ability to identify & draft playmakers diminished in recent years, but so has their ability to hire (and retain) quality coaches.

Not even remotely true. Our biggest problem area when drafting used to be offense. In recent years we've seen Ozzie get bolder with the picks and 9 times out of 10 the picks push us in the right direction. Last years draft was used to boost the defense. This year it'll be offense heavy with some CB's and pass rushers taking as well.

And whom are you talking about? Gary Kubiak was so good he got an head coaching job after one season and won a super bowl within 2 yrs of being in Denver. I don't wanna hear this we don't have good coaches crap when a majority of the NFL wants our players and coaches. Oh and Leslie Frazier just became DC for the bills after the improvement of our Defense so you logic is flawed bro.

[merryjman]

Ozzie can't catch a break with you people sometimes:

--If he takes a gamble on a receiver and misses (Clayton) he was an idiot for trying.
--If he picks a solid, no-gamble starter (Stanley) he was an idiot for not trading up to get a more dynamic player like Bosa or Ramsey.
--If he trades out of the first round entirely to accumulate picks, he was an idiot for not staying put and getting round 1 talent.
--If he trades up to get a projected good talent (A Brown), he was an idiot for wasting it on someone we eventually waived and who never started.
--If he doesn't trade up, he was an idiot for it.
--etc.

Isn't it more fair and more accurate to admit that drafting is really difficult, and subject to the same laws of probability as everything else? Ozzie gets love because ON AVERAGE he does better than a lot of other managers, not because he's infallible.

Best kicker in the league? Undrafted rookie. Our starting O-line? A 4th round pick and a 5th rounder in there. Osemele and Williams, late 2 / late 3 got so good we couldn't afford to keep them!

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And this idea that Ozzie has been whiffing on first round picks lately is ludicrous.

-Stanley will be a perennial pro bowler if he stays healthy.
-Jimmy Smith was such an important part of our defense, we couldn't win without him.
-Perriman had a couple great catch-and-run plays just like Julio this season, so who's to say he's a bust at this point? Injuries are basically random.
-CJ Mosley is a seriously good player, and is only going to get better.
-Matt Elam sucks, no getting around that one. But everyone else in the league thought he was a great pick at #32, so what you gonna do?

[RavenROC]

15 minutes ago, merryjman said:

Ozzie can't catch a break with you people sometimes:

--If he takes a gamble on a receiver and misses (Clayton) he was an idiot for trying.
--If he picks a solid, no-gamble starter (Stanley) he was an idiot for not trading up to get a more dynamic player like Bosa or Ramsey.
--If he trades out of the first round entirely to accumulate picks, he was an idiot for not staying put and getting round 1 talent.
--If he trades up to get a projected good talent (A Brown), he was an idiot for wasting it on someone we eventually waived and who never started.
--If he doesn't trade up, he was an idiot for it.
--etc.

Isn't it more fair and more accurate to admit that drafting is really difficult, and subject to the same laws of probability as everything else? Ozzie gets love because ON AVERAGE he does better than a lot of other managers, not because he's infallible.

Best kicker in the league? Undrafted rookie. Our starting O-line? A 4th round pick and a 5th rounder in there. Osemele and Williams, late 2 / late 3 got so good we couldn't afford to keep them!

--------

And this idea that Ozzie has been whiffing on first round picks lately is ludicrous.

-Stanley will be a perennial pro bowler if he stays healthy.
-Jimmy Smith was such an important part of our defense, we couldn't win without him.
-Perriman had a couple great catch-and-run plays just like Julio this season, so who's to say he's a bust at this point? Injuries are basically random.
-CJ Mosley is a seriously good player, and is only going to get better.
-Matt Elam sucks, no getting around that one. But everyone else in the league thought he was a great pick at #32, so what you gonna do?
 

Most of it is a crapshoot, I'll give you that, but we have not been drafting well for many years. Mosley and Jimmy were good but not great, they've both had their share of ups and downs.

 

Using Stanley as an example is trendy but shortsighted, he's played 1 year. Pump the brakes.

Perriman has proven nothing yet, he can't even consistently crack the starting lineup.

 

[merryjman]

First off, I think we need to use free agency with reckless abandon this year. The window is closing fast for current senior players on the team. This is the year to get a couple of high value free agents unlike in previous years waiting for the best available value with the fear of losing potential comp picks. They need to be bold because the status quo strategy hasn't generated enough playmakers.

Second, Julio Jones is a beast but with a frame and athleticism very similar our own Perriman. For starters, I would mandate that Perriman watches that play and similar plays by other #1 receivers every day till training camp begins so he understands that is what 1st round receivers do for a living!

Perriman is entirely capable of being that receiver for us, but he has to buy in and believe in himself. The coaches have to do a great job in creating plays that help Perriman ease into that role and Joe has to deliver the ball accurately and with timing to him so he can build confidence to begin playing like an elite receiver.

Lastly, to do that and more it is almost imperative that Joe gets together with his existing receivers to develop timing of their routes and chemistry with each one of his receivers well before training camp begins in 2017. Joe has to get good just as much as the receivers we already have on our roster.

Disagree with first part, agree with last part. Ozzie and Steve have said many times that free-agency hijinks are good if you're trying to build a championship team that quickly disintegrates afterwards, but that's not their aim - they want to have a decent shot at making the playoffs every year. And with the exception of the 5-11 season, that's what we've had for a decade: a team that gets close to, or into, the playoffs every year. Even this 8-8 season had us very close.

But that last bit about Joe working more with the receivers - I agree with that. I used to buy into it when the team would say "oh, no, Joe doesn't need that, he's got it figured out" but that approach has clearly not worked. Especially in the case of Perriman, and especially now that #89 is gone, Joe needs to develop rapport with those guys.

I think the case of Hogan illustrates this most clearly. It's not that he is some amazing undiscovered gem, it's more that Brady is the GOAT quarterback, and he and Hogan worked tirelessly until they understand each other - to the point that all Brady has to do is look at him and Hogan will adjust his route at the line. He gets open all the time because Brady tells him where the defense is going to have openings!

[Minionhunter]

  4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Julio Jones... Can't help remembering the YUUUUGE pack of picks the Falcons gave up to trade up and snatch Julio Jones. And the chances Ozzie will ever even consider such a trade... Never.

I'm not saying he's wrong - it was a huge risk of the Falcons that could have crippled their development for years if Jones doesn't turn out to be the star he is now. I'm just trying to gauge the chances of the Ravens getting an elite WR through the draft. Our "luck" is that the year we had a top-10 pick was the year where there was no elite WR in the draft...

And even if we got a WR like Jones... with the dismal offensive play calling we saw this season, he would hardly be anything close to what he is in Atlanta...

And talking about Atlanta... another thing I can't help remembering is how we could have had Shanahan as the new OC replacing Kubiak, but went with Trestman instead...

Even with Julio being a stud, it cripple their development.

Roddy White, Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez - how does that team not win more than 1 play-off game in 8 years with those guys in their prime?

You're memory is fading.....Shanahan signed with the Falcons on Jan 18. On Jan 11th, the day after our play-off loss to the Pats, Kubiak said he was staying in Baltimore. The Broncos asked to interview Kubiak on Jan 15 and Kubiak left on Jan 18th. We couldn't have had Shanahan.

And Shanahan's offense was horrible last year even with Julio. Let's see how good the 49ers are next year with him at the helm....

Thank you very much for posting the timeline. I knew there were technically like 2 days in there (you correctly point out 3), but even if we knew the 11th Gary was gone, we still had no shot at Kyle, the Falcons had already all but locked him up and were working on the contract details.

[Raven1995]

  4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Julio Jones... Can't help remembering the YUUUUGE pack of picks the Falcons gave up to trade up and snatch Julio Jones. And the chances Ozzie will ever even consider such a trade... Never.

I'm not saying he's wrong - it was a huge risk of the Falcons that could have crippled their development for years if Jones doesn't turn out to be the star he is now. I'm just trying to gauge the chances of the Ravens getting an elite WR through the draft. Our "luck" is that the year we had a top-10 pick was the year where there was no elite WR in the draft...

And even if we got a WR like Jones... with the dismal offensive play calling we saw this season, he would hardly be anything close to what he is in Atlanta...

And talking about Atlanta... another thing I can't help remembering is how we could have had Shanahan as the new OC replacing Kubiak, but went with Trestman instead...

Even with Julio being a stud, it cripple their development.

Roddy White, Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez - how does that team not win more than 1 play-off game in 8 years with those guys in their prime?

You're memory is fading.....Shanahan signed with the Falcons on Jan 18. On Jan 11th, the day after our play-off loss to the Pats, Kubiak said he was staying in Baltimore. The Broncos asked to interview Kubiak on Jan 15 and Kubiak left on Jan 18th. We couldn't have had Shanahan.

And Shanahan's offense was horrible last year even with Julio. Let's see how good the 49ers are next year with him at the helm....

When Kubiak left it was when all the good coaches were gone . Only 2 people were left Trestman and Adam Gase and Harbaugh didn't want to go with him because he thought he would of been one and done.

[whobilly]

  1 hour ago, merryjman said:

Ozzie can't catch a break with you people sometimes:

--If he takes a gamble on a receiver and misses (Clayton) he was an idiot for trying.
--If he picks a solid, no-gamble starter (Stanley) he was an idiot for not trading up to get a more dynamic player like Bosa or Ramsey.
--If he trades out of the first round entirely to accumulate picks, he was an idiot for not staying put and getting round 1 talent.
--If he trades up to get a projected good talent (A Brown), he was an idiot for wasting it on someone we eventually waived and who never started.
--If he doesn't trade up, he was an idiot for it.
--etc.

Isn't it more fair and more accurate to admit that drafting is really difficult, and subject to the same laws of probability as everything else? Ozzie gets love because ON AVERAGE he does better than a lot of other managers, not because he's infallible.

Best kicker in the league? Undrafted rookie. Our starting O-line? A 4th round pick and a 5th rounder in there. Osemele and Williams, late 2 / late 3 got so good we couldn't afford to keep them!

--------

And this idea that Ozzie has been whiffing on first round picks lately is ludicrous.

-Stanley will be a perennial pro bowler if he stays healthy.
-Jimmy Smith was such an important part of our defense, we couldn't win without him.
-Perriman had a couple great catch-and-run plays just like Julio this season, so who's to say he's a bust at this point? Injuries are basically random.
-CJ Mosley is a seriously good player, and is only going to get better.
-Matt Elam sucks, no getting around that one. But everyone else in the league thought he was a great pick at #32, so what you gonna do?
 

Most of it is a crapshoot, I'll give you that, but we have not been drafting well for many years. Mosley and Jimmy were good but not great, they've both had their share of ups and downs.

 

Using Stanley as an example is trendy but shortsighted, he's played 1 year. Pump the brakes.

Perriman has proven nothing yet, he can't even consistently crack the starting lineup.

 

If you use a #1 pick for a wide receiver he should be a number one receiver.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Perriman, your new hobby is to watch and study Julio Jones. You are both relatively the same type of player as far as speed, size and athleticism. Biggest difference at this point is Julio has been working on his craft longer. Learn everything you can from him, how he makes his breaks, how he gets separation, etc. I don't expect you to be the same player as him, but to get better you gotta learn/study the best and right now he is the best. If you can improve your routes and separation even just a little, those little changes will lead to big plays and more consistent success. His 73 yard TD was very similar to the big forty something yard play Perriman made on a crossing route (same route).

No point in looking for a #1 WR this draft, IMHO. You will give up too much to justify the selection and prevent addressing other needs with high draft picks. Really there are already a lot of different receivers on the roster and just like the RB they were not being fully utilized. The offense more than anything needs refinement over this off-season to really extract the most of out his group.

[bigcatfrank1]

The Ravens are not the Falcons. We do not need Julio Jones. What the Ravens need is a 1000 yd RB. Joe can throw the ball 4000 yds and the Ravens have receivers who can make the yards, warranted they pick up one more decent WR but there are plenty out there, and they can still afford to draft a young guy too!
So reality is Dixon needs some help. I'm not sure he is ready for the full load yet, I would give him one more year if it were my decision. I would pick up a RB and let them compete. keep only either Allen or West but not both. The platooning doesn't work, we need a workhorse back that will get a first down on 2 running plays regularly. That is what will catapult this team into the playoffs.

[TheRavengers]

19 minutes ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

The Ravens are not the Falcons. We do not need Julio Jones. What the Ravens need is a 1000 yd RB. Joe can throw the ball 4000 yds and the Ravens have receivers who can make the yards, warranted they pick up one more decent WR but there are plenty out there, and they can still afford to draft a young guy too!
So reality is Dixon needs some help. I'm not sure he is ready for the full load yet, I would give him one more year if it were my decision. I would pick up a RB and let them compete. keep only either Allen or West but not both. The platooning doesn't work, we need a workhorse back that will get a first down on 2 running plays regularly. That is what will catapult this team into the playoffs.

Another thing that'll catapault us back into the playoffs would be to score a TD on more than one drive over the course of a game. As well as a defense that doesn't get skulldragged down the field at the worst possible times.

[leziRav]

  1 hour ago, merryjman said:

Ozzie can't catch a break with you people sometimes:

--If he takes a gamble on a receiver and misses (Clayton) he was an idiot for trying.
--If he picks a solid, no-gamble starter (Stanley) he was an idiot for not trading up to get a more dynamic player like Bosa or Ramsey.
--If he trades out of the first round entirely to accumulate picks, he was an idiot for not staying put and getting round 1 talent.
--If he trades up to get a projected good talent (A Brown), he was an idiot for wasting it on someone we eventually waived and who never started.
--If he doesn't trade up, he was an idiot for it.
--etc.

Isn't it more fair and more accurate to admit that drafting is really difficult, and subject to the same laws of probability as everything else? Ozzie gets love because ON AVERAGE he does better than a lot of other managers, not because he's infallible.

Best kicker in the league? Undrafted rookie. Our starting O-line? A 4th round pick and a 5th rounder in there. Osemele and Williams, late 2 / late 3 got so good we couldn't afford to keep them!

--------

And this idea that Ozzie has been whiffing on first round picks lately is ludicrous.

-Stanley will be a perennial pro bowler if he stays healthy.
-Jimmy Smith was such an important part of our defense, we couldn't win without him.
-Perriman had a couple great catch-and-run plays just like Julio this season, so who's to say he's a bust at this point? Injuries are basically random.
-CJ Mosley is a seriously good player, and is only going to get better.
-Matt Elam sucks, no getting around that one. But everyone else in the league thought he was a great pick at #32, so what you gonna do?
 

Most of it is a crapshoot, I'll give you that, but we have not been drafting well for many years. Mosley and Jimmy were good but not great, they've both had their share of ups and downs.

 

Using Stanley as an example is trendy but shortsighted, he's played 1 year. Pump the brakes.

Perriman has proven nothing yet, he can't even consistently crack the starting lineup.

 

Well Perriman really played only one year and never had a full training camp yet.So if you don't want to judge Stanley yet, then let not judge Perriman yet.
Merryjman was right on point. How could you blame Ozzie? Point me some GMs who had done better than him. Ozzie only first rd bust recently was Elam.
How can you said Mosley is just good. 2X probawler in the last 3 yr. Also forget about the early rd picks or late rd picks. It is all about how many good starter who get from a draft. Ozzie and our staffs have been master in that domain. Give the man credit

[dirtybird66]

the SKIN'S are said they will have to let go either DESHAUN JACKSON or PIERRE CARCONE,I have heard CARCONE is a true baller that blocks really well downfield and has not lost a step.

[leziRav]

Perriman, your new hobby is to watch and study Julio Jones. You are both relatively the same type of player as far as speed, size and athleticism. Biggest difference at this point is Julio has been working on his craft longer. Learn everything you can from him, how he makes his breaks, how he gets separation, etc. I don't expect you to be the same player as him, but to get better you gotta learn/study the best and right now he is the best. If you can improve your routes and separation even just a little, those little changes will lead to big plays and more consistent success. His 73 yard TD was very similar to the big forty something yard play Perriman made on a crossing route (same route).

No point in looking for a #1 WR this draft, IMHO. You will give up too much to justify the selection and prevent addressing other needs with high draft picks. Really there are already a lot of different receivers on the roster and just like the RB they were not being fully utilized. The offense more than anything needs refinement over this off-season to really extract the most of out his group.

I agree, all Perriman really need is to work on his route and separation, also to work on his hands. Maybe more time on the jugs machine to work on his hands and more time watching videos of great WR on running route and separation. The kid already has athleticism and speed that cannot be teach or learn.

[Space11jams]

We have receivers. We need to learn to develop them and Flacco needs to learn to do that as well and read coverages and defenses. It's a reason other QB's are so good when it comes to undrafted or later round receivers. The development process is key. Our guys run deep routes and routes across the field all the time, weak. Develop these guys route running, foot work, breaks, change of pace, dropped hips, eyes, hit fakes, and understanding of coverages

[leziRav]

the SKIN'S are said they will have to let go either DESHAUN JACKSON or PIERRE CARCONE,I have heard CARCONE is a true baller that blocks really well downfield and has not lost a step.

Pierre Garçon is the type of possession WR the team is looking for. All he has to do is drive few miles on I95, direction Owings Mills. Skins will give a big contract to Cousin so won't be able to sign him. I rather give a contract to Garçon than $8 Mill to Wallace who is not a good team player. The dude creates problem because he is not targeted much.

[FloridalovesRavens]

  29 minutes ago, dirtybird66 said:

the SKIN'S are said they will have to let go either DESHAUN JACKSON or PIERRE CARCONE,I have heard CARCONE is a true baller that blocks really well downfield and has not lost a step.

Pierre Garçon is the type of possession WR the team is looking for. All he has to do is drive few miles on I95, direction Owings Mills. Skins will give a big contract to Cousin so won't be able to sign him. I rather give a contract to Garçon than $8 Mill to Wallace who is not a good team player. The dude creates problem because he is not targeted much.

I don't blame Wallace for wanting the ball. No proof he is not a good teammate. Where did you hear that?

[ravenwildman]

In recent history these guys were the last clear cut #1 WR in my opinion.....Derek Mason, Boldin (Torrey got close), and SSS. Some folks questioned Boldin until the SB run in 2012. Drafting a top WR? It's a crap shoot. Sometimes they are clear as with Julio Jones 6th pick overall...then not so clear, A. Brown a 6th round pick. I remember when the Ravens picked Mark Clayton, then two picks later GB picked AAron Rodgers, who could have known? FA, same thing, sometimes it's a home run, sometimes you strike out. The problem with getting a true #1 WR in FA is the cost, teams rarely let them walk so if you want them, you better ante up! Then, if it doesn't pay out (or he gets injured).....you've weakened the whole roster hopping on one player. I think Ozzie and Eric are great at this balancing act, let's hope they can work their magic this year and snag a couple team positions #1's. GO RAVENS!

[leziRav]

  53 minutes ago, leziRav said:

  1 hour ago, dirtybird66 said:

the SKIN'S are said they will have to let go either DESHAUN JACKSON or PIERRE CARCONE,I have heard CARCONE is a true baller that blocks really well downfield and has not lost a step.

Pierre Garçon is the type of possession WR the team is looking for. All he has to do is drive few miles on I95, direction Owings Mills. Skins will give a big contract to Cousin so won't be able to sign him. I rather give a contract to Garçon than $8 Mill to Wallace who is not a good team player. The dude creates problem because he is not targeted much.

I don't blame Wallace for wanting the ball. No proof he is not a good teammate. Where did you hear that?

In a game last season, he scored and refused to celebrate with teammates because he wanted the ball more. Also there was report that he had issue Miami HC because he wanted the ball more. His press conference when we sign him, he said stuff about his former QB than a pro should not say in public. My point is that he is a selfish WR and can easily create problem in a team. I don't blame him for wanting the ball more, but when not targeted, he should not show frustration and take it on his teammates.

[Purple Dawg 96]

The Ravens are the only team that can beat the pats at home and they will! The #1 pick mite go to the O line because the Ravens have Perriman and Wallace and the next WR should be taken later in the draft he doesn't have to be 6ft Antonio Brown isn't and he wreaking havoc! Perriman Is our Julio Jones and the Ravens gotta get some better routes to get him open!

[bigcatfrank1]

  1 hour ago, dirtybird66 said:

the SKIN'S are said they will have to let go either DESHAUN JACKSON or PIERRE CARCONE,I have heard CARCONE is a true baller that blocks really well downfield and has not lost a step.

Pierre Garçon is the type of possession WR the team is looking for. All he has to do is drive few miles on I95, direction Owings Mills. Skins will give a big contract to Cousin so won't be able to sign him. I rather give a contract to Garçon than $8 Mill to Wallace who is not a good team player. The dude creates problem because he is not targeted much.

Garcon is not an 8mil WR any longer, Wallace will cost too much to release and he was over 1000 yds this year we have to expect him to perform that well again. But I would pay Garcon 3.5Mil for 1 yr with a 1yr option. That is less than Aikens contract and he is looking to lock in for 3 years. Wallace, Perriman, Garcon, Chris Moore, Keenan Renolds, and Campinaro make a pretty nice receiving corp, very workable. I like Chris Moores catchabilty.. Plus a pick in the draft if one presents itself.

[leziRav]

  1 hour ago, leziRav said:

  1 hour ago, dirtybird66 said:

the SKIN'S are said they will have to let go either DESHAUN JACKSON or PIERRE CARCONE,I have heard CARCONE is a true baller that blocks really well downfield and has not lost a step.

Pierre Garçon is the type of possession WR the team is looking for. All he has to do is drive few miles on I95, direction Owings Mills. Skins will give a big contract to Cousin so won't be able to sign him. I rather give a contract to Garçon than $8 Mill to Wallace who is not a good team player. The dude creates problem because he is not targeted much.

Garcon is not an 8mil WR any longer, Wallace will cost too much to release and he was over 1000 yds this year we have to expect him to perform that well again. But I would pay Garcon 3.5Mil for 1 yr with a 1yr option. That is less than Aikens contract and he is looking to lock in for 3 years. Wallace, Perriman, Garcon, Chris Moore, Keenan Renolds, and Campinaro make a pretty nice receiving corp, very workable. I like Chris Moores catchabilty.. Plus a pick in the draft if one presents itself.

Well I won't give Wallace $8Mil and no way you are getting Garçon for 3.5 Mil, you are looking at 5 to 7 Mil for him. If Wallace decide to take less, like $4 Mil then I will go with that. We already have Perriman and Moores who can do the job of Wallace, we need someone to replace Steve, and Garçon fits just that. However I would love to see Garçon, Wallace, Perriman, Moore, Campinaro as our WR corp

[whobilly]

The Ravens are the only team that can beat the pats at home and they will! The #1 pick mite go to the O line because the Ravens have Perriman and Wallace and the next WR should be taken later in the draft he doesn't have to be 6ft Antonio Brown isn't and he wreaking havoc! Perriman Is our Julio Jones and the Ravens gotta get some better routes to get him open!

Interesting. Perriman is our Julio Jones? I'd be thrilled at this point if he just turns into a #1 WR which is what you expect when you take a receiver with your #1 pick.

[ellicottraven]

3 hours ago, merryjman said:

I think the case of Hogan illustrates this most clearly. It's not that he is some amazing undiscovered gem, it's more that Brady is the GOAT quarterback, and he and Hogan worked tirelessly until they understand each other - to the point that all Brady has to do is look at him and Hogan will adjust his route at the line. He gets open all the time because Brady tells him where the defense is going to have openings!

Flacco believed that TC was plenty of time to build a rapport with his receivers. Now, he has probably been told that it won't be enough this off season and therefore has stated that he plans to work with receivers. I don't know if it'll happen because he may not push too hard for it. However, I know Flacco had a picture of Brady in his dorm when he was in college. Now its time for Flacco to also hang on his wall, Brady's schedule and program to help develop his WRs and in building a rapport with them. Peyton Manning is the other guy who did that. Is it surprising that those 2 are among the two best QBs in the last 25 yrs? Perhaps Brady is the unquestioned GOAT at QB. Now Flacco is entering his 10th year in the league and QBs of this kind of experience suddenly don't regress. So he needs to get to work and play like he is paid.

[whobilly]

  2 hours ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Perriman, your new hobby is to watch and study Julio Jones. You are both relatively the same type of player as far as speed, size and athleticism. Biggest difference at this point is Julio has been working on his craft longer. Learn everything you can from him, how he makes his breaks, how he gets separation, etc. I don't expect you to be the same player as him, but to get better you gotta learn/study the best and right now he is the best. If you can improve your routes and separation even just a little, those little changes will lead to big plays and more consistent success. His 73 yard TD was very similar to the big forty something yard play Perriman made on a crossing route (same route).

No point in looking for a #1 WR this draft, IMHO. You will give up too much to justify the selection and prevent addressing other needs with high draft picks. Really there are already a lot of different receivers on the roster and just like the RB they were not being fully utilized. The offense more than anything needs refinement over this off-season to really extract the most of out his group.

I agree, all Perriman really need is to work on his route and separation, also to work on his hands. Maybe more time on the jugs machine to work on his hands and more time watching videos of great WR on running route and separation. The kid already has athleticism and speed that cannot be teach or learn.

Also needs to develop the desire to want to be THE MAN. Speed and athleticism YES. Attitude, Heart, Guts, Desire. ????. This upcoming season will tell. Top receivers seem to have that edge. Don't know if he has any "Nasty" in him.

[TheConquerorWorm]

  3 hours ago, leziRav said:

  3 hours ago, dirtybird66 said:

the SKIN'S are said they will have to let go either DESHAUN JACKSON or PIERRE CARCONE,I have heard CARCONE is a true baller that blocks really well downfield and has not lost a step.

Pierre Garçon is the type of possession WR the team is looking for. All he has to do is drive few miles on I95, direction Owings Mills. Skins will give a big contract to Cousin so won't be able to sign him. I rather give a contract to Garçon than $8 Mill to Wallace who is not a good team player. The dude creates problem because he is not targeted much.

I don't blame Wallace for wanting the ball. No proof he is not a good teammate. Where did you hear that?

http://www.sportsgrid.com/real-sports/nfl/mike-wallace-complain-miami-dolphins-beat-cleveland-browns/

"But besides sitting down and chatting with his coaches, Harbaugh needs to get some harmony back in the locker room. Receivers Steve Smith and Mike Wallace are privately pouting because they aren't getting the ball enough."

"On offense, the Ravens are an unhappy bunch. You can see it in the temper tantrum receiver Mike Wallace threw on the sideline Sunday..."


My issue is that he took himself out of the Squealer game for the rest of the 1st half after he scored the long TD to "get his head right" (not on the sideline - he went to the locker room). Not exactly the guy I want on my team. There's a reason he's been let go by 3 teams already....

[sticks999]

Yes there is. His name is Mike Williams. He will be the first WR drafted this year and you will have to trade up to get him, but he;s a game changer and it's worth the expense.

[BmoreFan15]

I'm a huge USC fan and I must say, Darreus Rogers is vastly under-rated ! Look him up.. He is a dog. Bonafide hands-catcher and clutch. Baltimore should look at him in the mid rounds.

[Ravens559]

14 hours ago, whobilly said:

So now we are admitting that Perriman is not a number one receiver?

Hes gunna be number 1 next year.. I seen alot of flashes to where when forced to rely on him he will put up.. Breshad Perriman will be our julio jones in 2 years top..  I have faith in him

[Saxxin]

It doesn't matter who the AFC championship. I think I can say most of us would be rooting for Atlanta anyway.
Perriman, who I have been an outspoken critic of is starting come along. I said I'd admit if I was wrong and am glad to say I was. I think he'll break out next season. His mental hurdle and the pressure took damn near the whole season to overcome but he did it and looked pretty good. He'll go in with much more confidence than he did this year. Keep Wallace of course. Eight million won't kill them to keep him a second year, he wants to be here and still has a chip on his shoulder. Not to mention the veteran leadership he can provide. Something he's said he's looking forward too. Would love to keep Aiken but I don't see it happening. He'll go where the money is and I can't blame him. The ravens need a receiver in the mold of Campanaro but doesn't break so easy. I like Camp. But he can't stay healthy. And they can be found in later rounds. The Ravens need a CB or safety more. Or even a stud center or guard if you go with offense.