[News] Should Ravens Target A First-Round Running Back?

[Tru11]

4 hours ago, balfan23 said:

No - I would love elite talent all around Joe and at every position on this team. 

We've gone on the cheap on drafting CB for years and we better get someone that can come in and help NOW. If we can get that in the 2nd, great, but if a game changing CB is available in the 1st, I want us to take him. I'm not a talent evaluator, so perhaps such a CB doesn't exist and perhaps BPA will end up being one of these RBs should they drop. 

If that is the case, then God help him if we don't improve our O line this offseason (no matter how elite he is) and God help the team if that RB gets us a 4th quarter lead with the opposition having a minute left on the clock and a couple TOs. 

 

Few rookie CBs are game changers in their first year.

Usually takes them a season or 2 to adjust to the NFL.

We should certainly try to get a good 1 in the first 3 rounds of the draft but you might wanna lower expectations if you expect him to come in and be a game changer right away.

 

 

 

[balfan23]

9 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

Few rookie CBs are game changers in their first year.

Usually takes them a season or 2 to adjust to the NFL.

We should certainly try to get a good 1 in the first 3 rounds of the draft but you might wanna lower expectations if you expect him to come in and be a game changer right away.

Yeah - you're probably right. That doesn't change the fact that we need to draft a future game changing CB.

In the 5 drafts since we selected Jimmy, we've taken a total of 4 CBs ... 2 4th rounders, a 5th rounder and a 7th rounder. That's beyond absurd. 

[Tru11]

16 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

Yeah - you're probably right. That doesn't change the fact that we need to draft a future game changing CB.

In the 5 drafts since we selected Jimmy, we've taken a total of 4 CBs ... 2 4th rounders, a 5th rounder and a 7th rounder. That's beyond absurd. 

well i wanted marcus peters but to bad it did not happen lol.
wanted ramsey to but did not happen either.

young looks to be pretty darn good.
have high expectations for him.

its a deep CB class so we should land a solid CB in the 2nd or maybe 3rd.

depending on who is there when we pick i still prefer we take the best player rather then just draft for need.

Quite frankly after spending a 1st round on a LT , a 1st round on a WR and a 2nd round on a TE in the past 2 drafts , we might as well spend a 1st on a guy like fournette or cook as well lol.
Having all those high picks on offense should at some point lead to some results.

[dirtybird66]

  15 hours ago, dirtybird66 said:

it's sad because we never wanted ELLIOT,we we suppose to trade for RAMSEY but the deal got screwed up! we can get our CB this year with DEE KING he can also play safety just like RAMSEY can,KING is not ranked the highest cb on the board,but many insiders believe he is the best,physical corner in the draft,J SMITH,when healthy has lost a step due to injuries,they can put him in as a slot guy,then we have 2 physical shutdown corners in TAVON YOUNG who will get even stronger this offseason,and KING a true shutdown guy,our secondary would be as good as ARIZONAS and a tad lower than SEATTLES,but then again,we have the best run stopping D in football! so we will just be,very good at doing both,the first thing i do before all that is give ZUTAH his pink slip,he's a walking penalty,drive killer! draft a strong BULLDOZER like DENVERS MCGOVERN and STANLEY another offseason to get stronger and DIXON and WEST will be a fine 1-2 punch!

I agree with a lot of your points on your posts on this article. First I have to say how it is absolute LUDICROUS if we even slightly considered taking a rb in the first this year! Madness. It would look as ridiculous as our coaching looked this year!!!!!! And that's saying something.
Getting Ramsey would've been awesome, no doubt. We'd probably still be playing if we did, who knows. I'm not too bummed about it though cuz Stanley looks awesome, and he plays a very important position. I'm with you about King though. The guy looks awesome! Really looks like a young Revis to me. Shut down corner capability, awesome and natural returner, and I think he would make an amazing FS.
Where I disagree is that Jimmy has lost a step due to injuries. He's injury prone, we all know that. But I have faith in him staying healthy next year. I also think the slot would be a terrible place to put him. Quickness and covering small wrs is not his strength at all. If he gets himself healthy this summer and comes to camp hungry, I still believe he's a top 10 cover cb in the NFL. He doesn't cause turnovers which sucks, but he just doesn't give much up at all when healthy. So slight tweak to your thinking, I think Jimmy and King on the outside, with quick little Tavon in the slot. Tavon is a straight baller. Too bad we don't usually trade up. It'd be so worth it to draft 2 first rounders this year. I sincerely believe if we drafted a corner that we're talking about like King, or maybe Wilson, Tabor, or Jones. And we added Jamal Adams or Malik Hooker. We would have THE best secondary in the NFL. For years too. Can you imagine trying to throw on Jimmy+Tavon+King+Adams+Weddle.....LOL Combined with the way we stop the run...haha, the Ravens D would be officially back. We should trade up and do that, esp with the way we've been wasting picks for the past several years. I can't even imagine. That would be amazing.
I also agree that Dixon is a baller and more than adequate as our lead rb. And Zuttah needs to go and we need to draft a big mauling Center. in the second or third I'd say.

yeah,the plus about KING i forgot to mention is he's a great return guy! thanks!

[dirtybird66]

  13 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  16 hours ago, dirtybird66 said:

it's sad because we never wanted ELLIOT,we we suppose to trade for RAMSEY but the deal got screwed up! we can get our CB this year with DEE KING he can also play safety just like RAMSEY can,KING is not ranked the highest cb on the board,but many insiders believe he is the best,physical corner in the draft,J SMITH,when healthy has lost a step due to injuries,they can put him in as a slot guy,then we have 2 physical shutdown corners in TAVON YOUNG who will get even stronger this offseason,and KING a true shutdown guy,our secondary would be as good as ARIZONAS and a tad lower than SEATTLES,but then again,we have the best run stopping D in football! so we will just be,very good at doing both,the first thing i do before all that is give ZUTAH his pink slip,he's a walking penalty,drive killer! draft a strong BULLDOZER like DENVERS MCGOVERN and STANLEY another offseason to get stronger and DIXON and WEST will be a fine 1-2 punch!

I agree with a lot of your points on your posts on this article. First I have to say how it is absolute LUDICROUS if we even slightly considered taking a rb in the first this year! Madness. It would look as ridiculous as our coaching looked this year!!!!!! And that's saying something.
Getting Ramsey would've been awesome, no doubt. We'd probably still be playing if we did, who knows. I'm not too bummed about it though cuz Stanley looks awesome, and he plays a very important position. I'm with you about King though. The guy looks awesome! Really looks like a young Revis to me. Shut down corner capability, awesome and natural returner, and I think he would make an amazing FS.
Where I disagree is that Jimmy has lost a step due to injuries. He's injury prone, we all know that. But I have faith in him staying healthy next year. I also think the slot would be a terrible place to put him. Quickness and covering small wrs is not his strength at all. If he gets himself healthy this summer and comes to camp hungry, I still believe he's a top 10 cover cb in the NFL. He doesn't cause turnovers which sucks, but he just doesn't give much up at all when healthy. So slight tweak to your thinking, I think Jimmy and King on the outside, with quick little Tavon in the slot. Tavon is a straight baller. Too bad we don't usually trade up. It'd be so worth it to draft 2 first rounders this year. I sincerely believe if we drafted a corner that we're talking about like King, or maybe Wilson, Tabor, or Jones. And we added Jamal Adams or Malik Hooker. We would have THE best secondary in the NFL. For years too. Can you imagine trying to throw on Jimmy+Tavon+King+Adams+Weddle.....LOL Combined with the way we stop the run...haha, the Ravens D would be officially back. We should trade up and do that, esp with the way we've been wasting picks for the past several years. I can't even imagine. That would be amazing.
I also agree that Dixon is a baller and more than adequate as our lead rb. And Zuttah needs to go and we need to draft a big mauling Center. in the second or third I'd say.

yeah,the plus about KING i forgot to mention is he's a great return guy! thanks!

and i'd really like us to go after PATRICK MAHOMES from TEXAS TECH-44 tds-8 rushing and only 10 int's,they next PEYTON MANNING in 2 years behind FLACCO and the qb whisperer-MORNINGWEIG!

[Saxxin]

West and Dixon are not the problem. The run game is fine with those two. The problem was lack of using them when they were doing great. Play calling and O-line are a bigger problem than who is running the ball. I love Dixon. He'll be another Ray Rice. He started off behind McGahee and didn't get a lot of snaps even when he was healthy hi first year. Dixon is a play maker. Improve the line and blocking scheme. And most of all stick with the run game when it's working.

[Saxxin]

You see what happened when Pitts and Greenbay had no pass rush and we're talking about a running back?. Yea, be that stupid and push for a Runningback in first round. When Ngata was here you seen many other defensive backs getting sacks and hits even with injuried players. How's that been since he left. Never replaced him neither.

Replace him with who? He had no equal. Still doesn't really. Who in the NFL is playing as well as Ngata did while he was here?

[MdPride1]

Have you guys even watched Leonard Fournette's highlights? The dude is easily just as good as Ezekiel Elliot. 6'1" 230 lbs and potentially 4.3 -4.4 speed with the ability to run you over or run past you. My gosh if Ozzie finally decided to grow a pair and trade up for Fournette or even Cook I would be ecstatic.

I think we need to take some weight off of Joe Flacco's shoulders because frankly he isn't Matt Ryan, Brady, Brees, Rodgers and has shown he can't carry the load of our offense. IMO he just isn't smart enough to be able to do it. He had the second most pass attempts in the NFL and BARELY eclipsed 4,000 passing yards. That is a JOKE. Flacco seemed to be better when we had a good running game with Ray Rice.

Also I'm tired of seeing the ravens settle for less on the offensive side of the ball. We need a game changer ... not the 4th best cornerback or 4th best pass rusher in the draft.

Finally, the ravens need to not feel forced to draft a pass rusher or corner just because Ozzie has put them in a terrible spot at those positions. We should have taken Ramsey last year ... just give up the 3rd round pick and our secondary would have been set.

[MdPride1]

Far too many times have we watched the ravens sit back and not trade up to have the player we coveted be taken & turn out to be a star.

Just to name a few

Dez Bryant
Donta Hightower
Jalen Ramsey
Marcus Peters

Ozzie needs to trade up this year

IMO these should be our top trade up targets as they all would be guaranteed to make significant contributions as a rookie.

1A. Mike Williams - Dez Bryant 2.0
1B. Fournette - Mix of Gurley & Adrian Peterson
2. Cook - Jamaal Charles 2.0
3. Jamal Adams - Most likely top 7 pick, may be best defensive player in draft
https://youtu.be/ktuijMDwsh8 - Jamal Adams Highlights
4. Malik Hooker - Flashes of Ed Reed

Cornerback Class is deep so there is no need to trade up for one unless we were to do so in the second round

1. Jalen "teez" Tabor - Florida
2. Sidney Jones - Washington
3. Quincy Wilson - Florida
4. Tre'Davious White - LSU
5. Marshon Lattimore - Ohio St


I would NOT touch Jabrill Peppers , dude has to be one of the most overrated players ever. Phenomenal Athlete, Overrated defender. He has one interception in his whole career and it was a right place right time off of a tipped pass. His highlights are 90% punt and kick returns.

[TheConquerorWorm]

On 1/23/2017 at 8:26 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

And Rivers has been ballin as a top 10 QB for the last ELEVEN years. I sincerely believe the Ravens would have at least 4 rings if RIvers was our QB the past 11 years.

Rivers has choked in the play-offs in every season for the past ELEVEN years. He had the best RB in the league for most of that time (LaDanian Tomlinson). Add in Gates, Vincent Jackson, etc in their prime. Joe would have won 8 rings if he had those play-makers. That doesn't fit your troll agenda. And since you've played organized football for years, you would know what it takes to win the SB....lol

[YorkCountyRaven]

On ‎1‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 2:09 AM, TheConquerorWorm said:

"The Ravens’ Terrance West and Kenneth Dixon combined for only six plays of 20 or more yards"

Stats don't lie.

Terrance West - 67 Rushes for 1 yard or less
Terrance West - 26 Rushes for 2 yards

That's 93 of his 193 rushes that went for 2 yards or less.....

And only had 19 rushes that gained 10+ yards. Isaiah Crowell, playing behind one of the worst O-lines AND whose offense ran the ball less than the Ravens, had 26 rushes of 10+ yards.
 

I'm not saying west is our answer at running back but you stated that if you lined up all the rbs in the league West AND Dixon would be picked last... that's false. So you're saying you would rather have Jonathan Stewart, Lamar Miller, Frank Gore.... Rashad Jennings?!?!?! They're not even on a Thomas Rawls level? The same Rawls who averaged 3.2 yards a carry and 3 TD's... You're right stats don't lie.

[BMoreDuck]

Hopefully the FO doesn't over think this draft. 

 

Rd1- CB

Rd2- OLB/DE

Rd3- ILB

Mixture of OT, RB, QB, DL, BPA, etc for the remaining rounds.

Find a vet WR in FA who is South of 30.