Flex Mock 3

[JoeyFlex5]

sorry guys i get bored working this graveyard shift and this is what i end up doing lol. 

SO, with the college season finally over, the EWS game over, and the senior bowl about to begin, its all heating up and players are finally starting to rise and fall. so lets go... 

ROUND 1:  

1. Cleveland - Myles Garrett, edge, TAM 

2. SF - Deshone Kizer, QB, ND 

3. Chicago - Jonathan Allen, DL, Bama 

4. Jax - Reuben Foster, LB, Bama 

5. Tennessee - Malik Hooker, FS, OSU 

6. NYJ - Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson(i think his stock is gonna rise again, he has too much upside and has really proven to be a gamer) 

7. SD - Cam Robinson, OT, Bama 

8. Carolina - Jamal Adams, S, LSU 

9. Cincinnati - Derek Barnett, edge, Tenn 

10. Buffalo - Marshon Lattimore, CB, OSU(replacement and upgrade for stephon gilmore)

11. NO - Solomon Thomas, DL, Stanford 

12. Cleveland - Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU(the new browns management appears to be all about BPA, fournette is a generational talent if healthy)

13. Arizona - Pat Mahomes, QB, Texas Tech 

14. Indy - Dalvin Cook, RB, FSU 

15. Philly - Mike Williams, WR, Clemson(ouch, 1 spot) 

16. Ravens - 

  

Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida. 

he is a bit of a poor mans marshon lattimore. now let me say, i personally prefer the fluidity and short area quickness of sidney jones, as well as the ball skills and the qb awareness and general feel for coverage, i also think he fits the dean pees mold of corner better than wilson... However, ozzie is the GM and its his job to build a winning roster, so he could care less about what dean pees prefers at this point. What ozzie knows is that our defense is dominant with jimmy smith, and garbage without him. Quincy Wilson is in that mold of jimmy smith, hes long, hes big, he locks guys up at the line but is still fluid enough to turn the hips and get downfield on release. Q. Wilson is my 2B with sidney jones at 2A, but i think ozzie is gonna rate him higher for a few reasons: his ability to re-route receivers and never fall off, something sidney jones occasionally has trouble with, his superior downfield speed, and his tight back-pocket coverage on quick crossing routes. our defense would be BETTER than it was in that stretch where we were tops in the league, and if jimmy goes down we look like we did during that stretch because Q. wilson fills his shoes very well. 

17. Washington - Zach Cunningham, LB, Vandy 

18. Tennessee - Sidney Jones, CB, Washington 

19. Tampa - OJ Howard, TE, Bama 

20. Denver - Dan Feeney, G, IND 

21. Detroit - Jalen Tabor, CB, Florida 

22. Miami - Jabrill Peppers, S/LB, Michigan 

23. NYG - Garrett Bolles, OT, Utah

24. Oakland - Malik McDowell, DE/DT, Michigan St. 

25. Houston - Christian McCaffrey, RB/WR, Stanford 

26. Seattle - Ethan Pocic, OL, LSU 

27. KC - Corey Davis, WR, WMU 

28. Dallas - Charles Harris, edge, Mizzou

29. Pitt - Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan 

30. Atlanta - Chris Wormley, DT, Michigan 

31. NE - Curtis Samuel, RB/WR, OSU 

32. GB - Tre'Davious White 

Ravens Round 2: 

T.J. Watt, OLB, Wisconsin. 

guys like takk mckinley, dawuane smoot, and tim williams will all test better at the combine and look to be the more sexy edge rushers, ryan andersons incredible play in the bama playoff run is gonna have him flying up boards, and TJ Watt gets lost in the sauce, guess what though... hes better than all of them, lucky us right? i think the speed and flashiness of the skill positions and the first round talents at lower value positions or guys who fell due to injury(like ramcyzk) work out in our favor and this guy just slips through the cracks. TJ Watt isnt likely to test extremely well at the combine, he can be expected to weigh in at around 6'4" 250 which is good but teams may be disappointed in the total package of combine numbers. but we see a stud on tape and snatch him up. He gets off the line well, he plays very smart and is always making a heads up play, he never gets outsmarted, he never gets outhustled, never gets outworked, his motor runs 100mph and he plays with a great intensity that the team will feed off of. he fights at the line, he fights in traffic, he works all directions in the pass rush, he stunts well, he can cover, and he just has a great nose for the ball. hes also decently refined after only one real season of college ball, and he already sports a long frame with room to easily bulk up to 260+ and he already plays as strong as a 260 pounder. day 1 starter, him and judon are the future, and suggs now rushes the passer with fresher legs. 

Round 3: 

Isaiah Ford, WR, VT. 

as of now, he appears to be a mid to late 3rd round pick, and i dont think much can change that in the coming months. the combine should only help others rise past him as he basically stays put, sort of like jarvis landry who you could easily argue was a 2nd round talent with average measurables, i think Ford may end up in the same boat. hes got good length with a thin but not boney frame, incredibly quick and explodes in and out of breaks as well as any receiver in the class, maybe the best route runner in the class, but his film shows a lot of deep work on tightly contested balls which could makes scouts wonder why? why is he not getting open downfield when he runs such quality routes? well the answer is 2 things, the qb play could have led better on deep throws, but also ford appears to lack elite breakaway speed, he gets an initial step but tends to allow the db to recover over time, and teams will be concerned with a thinly built guy making contested catches often. HOWEVER, we wont be asking him to make contested catches, i think VT's usage of him worked out great overall, but if they had used him on crosses and hitches and west coast style routes and really fed him the ball then he would be a premiere guy in this draft, that is where he will make his money, he is an explosive and nifty route runner like a stefon diggs type. Ford is a victim of his own success, he played well as a deep threat so VT used him as one often, but i dont think he got to really show what he does best, and that will be quick separation, catch-and-turn horizontal style plays. he is the complementary guy ozzie is referring to. 

3rd Round Comp: 

Alex Anzalone, LB, Florida 

this guy looks like a solid candidate to replace zach orr. he flies around and goes after the ball like a homing missile. high IQ player with good instincts and just always seems to be around the ball. he blitzes well, he could stand to get better in coverage but he has the traits to do so. he plays with an attitude and intensity, he tackles with authority and perfect form. this guys a pretty underrated player in general. i havent seen a whole lot of him as there doesnt seem to be much out there, but what ive seen has looked good and hes generally regarded as a 3rd round pick, and being in jarrad davis' shadow could have him fall a bit. 

4th Round 

Damien Mama

if we wanna get bigger and stronger on the line, this could be a start. he could stand to tighten up his core and add some muscle to his upper legs, but he still plays strong, he plays with good leverage and surprisingly light on his feet. good shield blocker for tight zone packages, latches onto his first man and stays low and drives upfield, disengages and finds a 2nd target often. however, he needs to be more accurate on pulls, he chips his primary target too often on pulls rather than blasting him right on the mark which leaves plays on the field, he also needs to play less panicked in pass protection, he isnt bad in pass pro but he looks a little lost at times and when he doesnt have a primary man to block he doesnt seem to know what to do, hopefully that can be worked on. 

5th Round 

Ejuan Price, edge, Pitt. 

one of my favorites, been in every one of my mocks so far and is staying here. 5'10", but lightning quick, great hands, great first step, great bend, great leverage, honestly this guy has first round talent and undrafted measurables, the combination seems to have him pegged in the 5th so thats where i take him. something he doesnt get credit for is his arm length and hand size, he is seriously a freaking clone of elvis dumervil, if he can slowly pack on weight throughout his career he can be as productive as him as well. this guy can seriously be a steal with his incredible first step and low leaning bend ability. 

6th Round 

Bryan Cox, DE/DT/OLB, Florida 

this guy seems to be quite low rated and again i dont understand it. everywhere i look he is pegged as a late day 3 guy. he is versatile and disruptive, with his build he can play OLB and stop the run very well, he anchors down and holds the point of attack and disengages violently. and you wouldnt expect it from a guy with his play style, but he actually bends quite well, he does the dirty work and bullies guys in the trenches but if hes out there on a passing down and he gains a step he can seriously capitalize with a good dip-and-chase. he fits the harbaugh MO as the versatile, blue collar, hard working guy who just wants to get the job done however he can.  

 

!!PLEASE!! no quoting this. this is a very long mock. 

 

 

 

[RaineV1]

I'd be pretty happy with those first two picks. For the third round, I think I'd rather go wide receiver Ryan Switzer with the 3rd comp pick and use the mid 3rd round pick on a center (there should be a decent one there) rather than going with Isiah Ford there.

You forgot to give the position and school for Damien Mama, but he does seem like he'd be a good pickup. Price and Cox would be good value picks at that point in the draft.

[Stevin]

only 1  OL? in 4th?

only 1 db?

Anzalone not athletic enough and have injury concern

i'm not sure about that...

 

Quincy Wilson  ,  T.J. Watt , Isaiah Ford +++

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I'd be pretty happy with those first two picks. For the third round, I think I'd rather go wide receiver Ryan Switzer with the 3rd comp pick and use the mid 3rd round pick on a center (there should be a decent one there) rather than going with Isiah Ford there.

You forgot to give the position and school for Damien Mama, but he does seem like he'd be a good pickup. Price and Cox would be good value picks at that point in the draft.

have you watched fords film? i see an excellent possession receiver with great quick twitch route running, i legitimately think hes the best route runner in the class. 

 

4 minutes ago, Stevin said:

only 1  OL? in 4th?

only 1 db?

Anzalone not athletic enough and have injury concern

i'm not sure about that...

 

Quincy Wilson  ,  T.J. Watt , Isaiah Ford +++

im ok with people questioning anzalone in this mock, hes a player who ive really liked on film from the little bit that ive seen and i wouldnt have even considered him until orr retired, im not too big on KC as a ILB because i think he just holds too much value as a speed rusher. i like anzalone for us specifically because hes an excellent blitzer and does a good job sniffing out gaps and blowing up run plays, hes the perfect type of ILB to allow mosley to go sideline-to-sideline and play untouched.

[Jacquouille]

I love a lot of those picks, but I think Watt is too optimistic, I don't see the Pats passing on him honestly. 

My main concern is the absence of a C.

Otherwise I'd still be excited with Wilson, Watt is a guy I wouldn't mind taking in the 1st, and Ford is a really really good pick at this point. Cox is a guy I also like quite a bit, I think he has an injury history though. 

 

[Davesta]

I prefer Sidney jones over Wilson for some reason. Better ball hawk 

[rossihunter2]

love the way that turns out - even though i cant see all 32 teams passing on watt between 16 and 48 - id absolutely love those first 3 rounds

but in terms of the getting to those results i really dont think arizona will take a qb at 13 - they may look to the future in this draft but they have too many holes to fill elsewhere - including wide receiver and corner so i see quincy wilson or corey davis maybe going there - and i find it difficult to see fournette getting past carolina

still not sure what i think about cleveland and not taking a qb in round 1 - i think if there were a draft to take a 2nd round qb its this one

[Darhk_Raven]

I like the mock for the Ravens for the most part... but you don't have Trubisky going in the 1st at all?

[ellicottraven]

There is no chance Watt is available to us in round 2. 

[RaineV1]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

have you watched fords film? i see an excellent possession receiver with great quick twitch route running, i legitimately think hes the best route runner in the class.

I get that he's good, but the mid third is probably the last chance at getting a really good center which we badly need.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

There is no chance Watt is available to us in round 2. 

That's not true. Watt has plenty of questionables and if it wasn't for his last name nobody would be saying this. He's a lot lighter than you want from your OLB, he's had one real season of college ball, and he is almost certain to perform average at the combine while others who are already ranked high above him are gonna separate themselves from him even further. 

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, Darhk_Raven said:

I like the mock for the Ravens for the most part... but you don't have Trubisky going in the 1st at all?

I don't like trubisky as a first rounder. One year starter, mistake prone, lacks velocity, can't drive the ball down field well. He's a  lot like Ryan tannehill but less proven.

[ellicottraven]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

That's not true. Watt has plenty of questionables and if it wasn't for his last name nobody would be saying this. He's a lot lighter than you want from your OLB, he's had one real season of college ball, and he is almost certain to perform average at the combine while others who are already ranked high above him are gonna separate themselves from him even further. 

Well the fact remains that he does have that last name and also has had great draft reviews generally. Most drafts have him going either the end of round 1 or early in round 2. But, hey if he is available to us in round 2, good for us!

[Somerset Ravens]

JoeyFlex do you believe in drafting for need or best player available? 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Somerset Ravens said:

JoeyFlex do you believe in drafting for need or best player available? 

i personally believe in BPA unless its a no brainer type of situation. at this point though im not sure where our FO lies. i think you could argue BPA with all of these picks at their respective points.

[ravensnation5220]

I like the first 3. The rest kinda don't interest me really. I think we can do better with our second 3rd round pick

[Baltimore RAYvens]

I think closer to draft day, especially after the combine we see Watt projected in the 20s. And I don't see Orr retiring suddenly creates a "need" at ILB, I think The KC project should be ready to roll. Everything we heard last year out of camp is that he looked good and was playing loose and fast until the incident with Pitta, and I think that caused him to shrink away. It's bad enough we had to sit a second-rounder for a full year, let alone him not be ready this year

[JoeyFlex5]

11 minutes ago, Baltimore RAYvens said:

I think closer to draft day, especially after the combine we see Watt projected in the 20s. And I don't see Orr retiring suddenly creates a "need" at ILB, I think The KC project should be ready to roll. Everything we heard last year out of camp is that he looked good and was playing loose and fast until the incident with Pitta, and I think that caused him to shrink away. It's bad enough we had to sit a second-rounder for a full year, let alone him not be ready this year

i dont think the ravens "want" him at ILB though to be honest. they definitely didnt have that vision when they drafted him.

and plus i think watts measurables at the combine wont do him many favors along with his lack of experience. when a guy only has one season of film and lacks those elite measurables that teams drool over i think it really hurts their value. i think teams will see him as a quality player but they may not love his upside enough to take him over guys like mckinley, harris, kpassagnon, and others who are raw but will blow away the combine with first round measurables. the 2nd round is typically either for high upside projects, or lower upside safe picks, it depends on how teams view a guy like watt.

[Darhk_Raven]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I don't like trubisky as a first rounder. One year starter, mistake prone, lacks velocity, can't drive the ball down field well. He's a  lot like Ryan tannehill but less proven.

He was a one year starter not because he wasn't good enough to get on the field, it was because Fedora wanted to go with the guy that he had seen play against college competition. What have you seen to say he that he is mistake prone and lacks velocity (I recently read an article where scouts think he has the velocity to be a starter in the NFL). Can't drive the ball down field??? I've seen him drive the ball 50 yards down field while throwing off his back foot. If anything he sometimes displays bad mechanics which prevents him from doing that, but that is fixable. 

[RavensDieHard21]

People that are yelping that Watt is going in the first or in the 20s really haven't watched the tape or understand that implications of the combine. 

Watt had one year of production. Scouts will already approach that differently. Watt weighs roughly 245 at 6'5, there are question marks that linger whether he keeps his burst when he adds weight. The weight problem slightly attributes to his inconsistent abilities to set the edge. Against LSU he really got gobbled up by blockers in the run game. 

No doubt I like Watt's upside but post combine I would almost guarantee we see Garrett, Barnett, Williams, Anderson, Thomas, McKinley, and possibly even Taco, Smoot and Walker go before him. 

[AnthonyGames]

Look at center John Toth from Kentucky. I think he's the best in the class for sure! All the others seem like guards who can play center. This dude seems like a natural at the position. Run blocking, pass protection, and gets up field. 

[RavensDieHard21]

To address the draft picks though, I love 1-3 especially. I also prefer Jones to Wilson, but Q more fits the mold of what the Ravens want, or at least his style of play will. He is physical, has great coverage abilities and seems to have solid ball skills, but his tackling is questionable and he tends to rely on his closing speed too much when he lets his receiver get an inside release rather than redirecting them in the first place. Jones just seems more confident, better in open field tackling and is more fluid as well.  

 Price in the fifth almost seems like a stretch even though 7 round mocks have him projected as a mid round pick. I would take him in the 4th if he is there. He had great TFL and sack numbers the past two years and I think the Dumervil comparison is spot on. He has burst off the line and has a low center of gravity that allows him to dip low around the edge then explodes to finish the play. He looks very capable in the run game too. 

Ford would be a sneaky good pick too. I like how explosive he is and a Landry like role could give Flacco a dependable underneath guy for years. 

My only critique is if use the second third rounder to grab Kyle Fuller or Guillermo, maybe even Kevin King from UW. 

[Drew P]

Carolina is probably parting ways with Stew so in goes Fournette. Houston just plunked down big $ for Lamar. Corey will likely go before Williams possibly to CIN. Taco and Watt are projected to be ends in a 4-3 scheme.

[rossihunter2]

11 hours ago, Darhk_Raven said:

I've seen him drive the ball 50 yards down field while throwing off his back foot.

I know the exact throw you were talking about lol

[rmw10]

19 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Carolina is probably parting ways with Stew so in goes Fournette. Houston just plunked down big $ for Lamar. Corey will likely go before Williams possibly to CIN. Taco and Watt are projected to be ends in a 4-3 scheme.

Taco, yes.  Watt, no.  He's not even 250 lbs.

[JoeyFlex5]

23 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Carolina is probably parting ways with Stew so in goes Fournette. Houston just plunked down big $ for Lamar. Corey will likely go before Williams possibly to CIN. Taco and Watt are projected to be ends in a 4-3 scheme.

I didn't think about miller tbh. Houston was one I had trouble with because they're pretty well off everywhere except for qb where hey have big money invested. It seems their plan was to get an average qb and stack the offense with talent, dalvin cook would make for a very nice complementary back to handle 3rd down and passing downs, and once miller inevitably begins to break down after 2 or 3 years you have a stud waiting. 

That was just some wild card pick tbh. Along with Carolina Cleveland and arizona.

[Drew P]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I didn't think about miller tbh. Houston was one I had trouble with because they're pretty well off everywhere except for qb where hey have big money invested. It seems their plan was to get an average qb and stack the offense with talent, dalvin cook would make for a very nice complementary back to handle 3rd down and passing downs, and once miller inevitably begins to break down after 2 or 3 years you have a stud waiting. 

That was just some wild card pick tbh. Along with Carolina Cleveland and arizona.

I think Simon is a FA so its possible they select an OLB and Wilfork is done so there's another position to fill.

[Drew P]

12 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Taco, yes.  Watt, no.  He's not even 250 lbs.

 

[Darhk_Raven]

28 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

I know the exact throw you were talking about lol

Lol the FSU game? I was kinda shocked when it happened. 

[nishadrahman13]

Quincy Wilson is terrible at getting off blocks and his tackling is questionable, but I absolutely love the way he competes in coverage and with the ball in the air. His size is a major plus too; hopefully our defense won't become trash if/when Jimmy Smith misses a snap. I am shocked to see Mike Williams at 15th and Corey Davis go 27th though; both are studs and steals at those spots. Especially Corey Davis.