[News] Who Will Ravens Replace Zachary Orr At Inside Linebacker?

[billiejean]

I think Correa or Onwuasor could fill that role. If they draft another ILB with all the other needs on this team, I think that would be a mistake. IF they have any desire to maintain a manageable cap, they need to get out of the win now mentality and let these young players develop.
The defense has enough old players as it is. That's probably the biggest reason for the defense nose diving a the end of the season.

I think it depends on how the board falls, but I am with you, I wouldn't be upset if we didn't get one during the draft. Im sure we will bring a few UDFAs in.

[Raven'evermore]

 I think it's possible that the coaches tried to put too much information into Correa's brain for his rookie year.  Especially not having a solidified role on the team.  Would like to see them tell him: see the ball, go get the ball, or maybe better, see Qb, crush Qb.  Just wind him up and let him go.

[ellicottraven]

 I think it's possible that the coaches tried to put too much information into Correa's brain for his rookie year.  Especially not having a solidified role on the team.  Would like to see them tell him: see the ball, go get the ball, or maybe better, see Qb, crush Qb.  Just wind him up and let him go.

If it were only that simple, all one would need for a football team are a bunch of motivational speakers to address the team before a game. See that team, go beat them!

[Raven'evermore]

17 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

If it were only that simple, all one would need for a football team are a bunch of motivational speakers to address the team before a game. See that team, go beat them!

 Eh, wasn't really serious.  Except that perhaps they did try to put too much on him and that he's thinking too much instead of reacting.  Maybe it's possible to simplify the game plan a bit.  Not everyone is a John Urschel.

[bigcatfrank1]

  5 hours ago, balfan23 said:

I still don't know what Correa is - I thought we drafted him to be an edge rusher, but then we tried first to using him inside and ultimately he didn't give any indication where he can play and be effective. We need Correa to step up in 2017 and contribute somewhere in a significant way. I don't want to hear that we need to draft for Orr's loss. We have too many other places that need to be addressed. Back fill ILB and draft secondary, edge rush and O line.

"ultimately he didn't give any indication where he can play and be effective."

It seemed like they were liking him at ilb, but Orr was just better. Team wasn't expecting it. Wanted to get Correa on the field so started working him outside. High learning curve for Correa, learning 2 spots as a rookie, when his really not a "smarts" player but an instinct/motor guy. Should do better this year.

Agreed, the problem was KC got hot headed when the big linemen manhandled him at camp when he played inside cause he wanted to rush the line and he ended up in fights. That caused some bad blood in the locker room, you don't do that as a rookie. You have to earn your respect not demand it. Then he did get beat out by Orr, of course he did. How is any rookie going to beat out Suggs, Doom, Orr and Mosley? aint gonna happen in fact behind that McClellan, ZaD, Judon and "Owniywan" - KC was deep in the dog house. Heck the Ravens even kept Brennan, he is good too! KC will get his chance in camp, the team has forgiven him and he has climbed back into good graces. This is a very talented and deep group!

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, Raven'evermore said:

 Eh, wasn't really serious.  Except that perhaps they did try to put too much on him and that he's thinking too much instead of reacting.  Maybe it's possible to simplify the game plan a bit.  Not everyone is a John Urschel.

I know exactly what you meant. He was potentially overwhelmed or isn't that scheme bright to pick up a complex defense in a hurry. If I recall correctly, wasn't it the same problem with Arthur Brown. He was fast but he just didn't know where he needed to be fast... With Correa, if the light bulb doesn't go off this year, then it is a wasted pick.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Bitter sweet about Zach Orr injury/retirement. Best of luck in your next chapter. Keep stacking days.

If there is one position I don't worry about the Ravens filling it's LB. Might not be another Z Orr stepping in, but whoever it is will be ready.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

We needed to upgrade this position anyway we need a big fast hard hitting enforcer at this LB spot and also at safety those to changes would stop other teams going down the field at will on us over the middle like the pats do and also stops the run

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  10 hours ago, Raven'evermore said:

 Eh, wasn't really serious.  Except that perhaps they did try to put too much on him and that he's thinking too much instead of reacting.  Maybe it's possible to simplify the game plan a bit.  Not everyone is a John Urschel.

I know exactly what you meant. He was potentially overwhelmed or isn't that scheme bright to pick up a complex defense in a hurry. If I recall correctly, wasn't it the same problem with Arthur Brown. He was fast but he just didn't know where he needed to be fast... With Correa, if the light bulb doesn't go off this year, then it is a wasted pick.

No its not a wasted pick if he has the skills its up to the coaches to coach him up as a coach you have to simplify things good coaches adjust their scheme to fit players stupid coaches try to make players do it one way only and if they can't they get rid of them and the player goes to another team and does well

[sizzlingdoom]

It'd be a bummer if we use a high pick on a mlb

[RaRaRavens]

19 hours ago, sami said:

We've got the WR 1&2, we also have the OLB and RT as of right now. Quit being so pessimistic.

Ok, we do have WR2 in Wallace, I'll give you that. I was exaggerating a bit with that one. But if you truly believe we are nice and set on all the other positions then you are naive optimist. 

Perriman should not be considered a starter until he shows he can regularly catch passes when wide open. 

Even if Doom returns for another year we still need much more production from starting pass rushers. Maybe we already have an in-house solution in Z. Smith or Judon. But the fact remains, we need upgrade at OLB.

Claiming we have a RT in a situation where he's about to hit open market is just ignorant. By that logic we are also set with our D-line by having one of the best DTs in football. Do you want to say that we should not prepare for the situation where he decides to go after more money? I consider the chances of both Williams and Wagner leaving over 50%.

If I was pessimistic I'd throw Juice into that list as well. But I think there's higher chance of him resigning with us than Williams or Wagner, which is why I didn't add FB into the list of imminent needs.

All that is called being realistic, something that can't be seen too often from our fans.

Edited January 22 by RaRaRavens

[sizzlingdoom]

  19 hours ago, sami said:

We've got the WR 1&2, we also have the OLB and RT as of right now. Quit being so pessimistic.

Ok, we do have WR2 in Wallace, I'll give you that. I was exaggerating a bit with that one. But if you truly believe we are nice and set on all the other positions then you are naive optimist. 

Perriman should not be considered a starter until he shows he can regularly catch passes when wide open. 

Even if Doom returns for another year we still need much more production from starting pass rushers. Maybe we already have an in-house solution in Z. Smith or Judon. But the fact remains, we need upgrade at OLB.

Claiming we have a RT in a situation where he's about to hit open market is just ignorant. By that logic we also set with our D-line by having one of the best DTs in football. Do you want to say that we should not prepare for the situation where he decides to go after more money? I consider the chances of both Williams and Wagner leaving over 50%.

If I was pessimistic I'd throw Juice into that list as well. But I think there's higher chance of him resigning with us than Williams or Wagner, which is why I didn't add FB into the list of imminent needs.

All that is called being realistic, something that can't be seen too often from our fans.

I think Juice leaves, esp listening to him about how excited he is to test FA. And he just made the pro bowl..he's gonna cash in and leave. To be honest, I hope he does. No way we need to pay 2+ mil for an overated FB. He played hard for us, but I hope he cashes in elsewhere. The FB position is overated, unless you have a true Vonte or Lorenzo Neal leading the way. I'd rather have an extra TE on the field....and Pitta shouldn't even count as a TE

[whobilly]

  11 hours ago, Raven'evermore said:

 Eh, wasn't really serious.  Except that perhaps they did try to put too much on him and that he's thinking too much instead of reacting.  Maybe it's possible to simplify the game plan a bit.  Not everyone is a John Urschel.

I know exactly what you meant. He was potentially overwhelmed or isn't that scheme bright to pick up a complex defense in a hurry. If I recall correctly, wasn't it the same problem with Arthur Brown. He was fast but he just didn't know where he needed to be fast... With Correa, if the light bulb doesn't go off this year, then it is a wasted pick.

You're not happy with your #2 pick being able to make a tackle or two on special teams? I don't have to wait for next season. KC should have NEVER been picked by us in the 2nd round.

[sizzlingdoom]

  9 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

  12 hours ago, Raven'evermore said:

 Eh, wasn't really serious.  Except that perhaps they did try to put too much on him and that he's thinking too much instead of reacting.  Maybe it's possible to simplify the game plan a bit.  Not everyone is a John Urschel.

I know exactly what you meant. He was potentially overwhelmed or isn't that scheme bright to pick up a complex defense in a hurry. If I recall correctly, wasn't it the same problem with Arthur Brown. He was fast but he just didn't know where he needed to be fast... With Correa, if the light bulb doesn't go off this year, then it is a wasted pick.

You're not happy with your #2 pick being able to make a tackle or two on special teams? I don't have to wait for next season. KC should have NEVER been picked by us in the 2nd round.

Looks like a wasted even if we took him in the 3rd. Sterling Shepard was there. There to be a Raven for the next 10 years. Instead we use the pick on a "hustle" player without a position from Boise State. FACE PALM......... again, and again, and again

[whobilly]

  17 hours ago, nj_ravens said:

  17 hours ago, balfan23 said:

I still don't know what Correa is - I thought we drafted him to be an edge rusher, but then we tried first to using him inside and ultimately he didn't give any indication where he can play and be effective. We need Correa to step up in 2017 and contribute somewhere in a significant way. I don't want to hear that we need to draft for Orr's loss. We have too many other places that need to be addressed. Back fill ILB and draft secondary, edge rush and O line.

"ultimately he didn't give any indication where he can play and be effective."

It seemed like they were liking him at ilb, but Orr was just better. Team wasn't expecting it. Wanted to get Correa on the field so started working him outside. High learning curve for Correa, learning 2 spots as a rookie, when his really not a "smarts" player but an instinct/motor guy. Should do better this year.

Agreed, the problem was KC got hot headed when the big linemen manhandled him at camp when he played inside cause he wanted to rush the line and he ended up in fights. That caused some bad blood in the locker room, you don't do that as a rookie. You have to earn your respect not demand it. Then he did get beat out by Orr, of course he did. How is any rookie going to beat out Suggs, Doom, Orr and Mosley? aint gonna happen in fact behind that McClellan, ZaD, Judon and "Owniywan" - KC was deep in the dog house. Heck the Ravens even kept Brennan, he is good too! KC will get his chance in camp, the team has forgiven him and he has climbed back into good graces. This is a very talented and deep group!

KC=CP(Can't Play)

[JamesA119]

  3 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

  22 hours ago, sami said:

We've got the WR 1&2, we also have the OLB and RT as of right now. Quit being so pessimistic.

Ok, we do have WR2 in Wallace, I'll give you that. I was exaggerating a bit with that one. But if you truly believe we are nice and set on all the other positions then you are naive optimist. 

Perriman should not be considered a starter until he shows he can regularly catch passes when wide open. 

Even if Doom returns for another year we still need much more production from starting pass rushers. Maybe we already have an in-house solution in Z. Smith or Judon. But the fact remains, we need upgrade at OLB.

Claiming we have a RT in a situation where he's about to hit open market is just ignorant. By that logic we also set with our D-line by having one of the best DTs in football. Do you want to say that we should not prepare for the situation where he decides to go after more money? I consider the chances of both Williams and Wagner leaving over 50%.

If I was pessimistic I'd throw Juice into that list as well. But I think there's higher chance of him resigning with us than Williams or Wagner, which is why I didn't add FB into the list of imminent needs.

All that is called being realistic, something that can't be seen too often from our fans.

I think Juice leaves, esp listening to him about how excited he is to test FA. And he just made the pro bowl..he's gonna cash in and leave. To be honest, I hope he does. No way we need to pay 2+ mil for an overated FB. He played hard for us, but I hope he cashes in elsewhere. The FB position is overated, unless you have a true Vonte or Lorenzo Neal leading the way. I'd rather have an extra TE on the field....and Pitta shouldn't even count as a TE

Insightful. Boyle could be a capable replacement.

[Raven'evermore]

10 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

No its not a wasted pick if he has the skills its up to the coaches to coach him up as a coach you have to simplify things good coaches adjust their scheme to fit players stupid coaches try to make players do it one way only and if they can't they get rid of them and the player goes to another team and does well

  Agreed, but I wonder if the coaches are thinking the opposite and that the player has to become what they imagine him to be.  Have to wonder if these coaches think they can make something out of these draft picks that's just not possible.  Then, when the experiment doesn't pan out like they thought, the player gets blamed or criticized.

 

18 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I know exactly what you meant. He was potentially overwhelmed or isn't that scheme bright to pick up a complex defense in a hurry. If I recall correctly, wasn't it the same problem with Arthur Brown. He was fast but he just didn't know where he needed to be fast... With Correa, if the light bulb doesn't go off this year, then it is a wasted pick.

  People learn differently as teachers and coaches use different methods. Some take longer than some others do.  As far as Correa, only time will tell, but perhaps a bit longer than one year.

 

Edited January 22 by Raven'evermore

[ravensnj]

How about UFA's: Dont'a Hightower, Malcolm Smith, Zach Brown, Keenan Robinson or Kevin Minter? Smith might be to costly, though.

[The Greek]

On 1/21/2017 at 1:34 PM, bioLarzen said:

We've gpot WR 1&2? Who do you consider starting caliber WR beside Wallace? Because I don't think at all that Perriman has proven himself last sesaon... The way things looked at the end of the season, I'd much rather go with Aiken than Perriman - but Kamar's all but gone.

even wallace disappeared many times during games and had issues being physical enough to get separation. receiver is a weak spot for us until proven otherwise.

[dirtybird66]

uh,MATT JUDON? he'll be fine with an offseason to get stronger and learn the D alittle better,we do not need to draft a LB!

[DrPuff]

25 minutes ago, dirtybird66 said:

uh,MATT JUDON? he'll be fine with an offseason to get stronger and learn the D alittle better,we do not need to draft a LB!

Really? Suggested Judon. Do you even watch the Ravens games? First off they arent even the same position. Secondly, No way would anyone ever want judon covering the middle of the field. His replacement will be a budget free agent. As ozzie likes to do. 

[Zilla314]

I want us to put Kamalei Correa at MLB, leave Judon at OLB he and Smith show some promise, draft Jabrill Peppers, and more DB's. We also need a playmaker, if Peppers is gone by our pick we should draft Corey Davis. We do not need to jump up unless we are drafting Peppers. Get WR for FA. We'll be good to go.

[sizzlingdoom]

  17 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  17 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

  On 1/21/2017 at 9:31 AM, sami said:

We've got the WR 1&2, we also have the OLB and RT as of right now. Quit being so pessimistic.

Ok, we do have WR2 in Wallace, I'll give you that. I was exaggerating a bit with that one. But if you truly believe we are nice and set on all the other positions then you are naive optimist. 

Perriman should not be considered a starter until he shows he can regularly catch passes when wide open. 

Even if Doom returns for another year we still need much more production from starting pass rushers. Maybe we already have an in-house solution in Z. Smith or Judon. But the fact remains, we need upgrade at OLB.

Claiming we have a RT in a situation where he's about to hit open market is just ignorant. By that logic we also set with our D-line by having one of the best DTs in football. Do you want to say that we should not prepare for the situation where he decides to go after more money? I consider the chances of both Williams and Wagner leaving over 50%.

If I was pessimistic I'd throw Juice into that list as well. But I think there's higher chance of him resigning with us than Williams or Wagner, which is why I didn't add FB into the list of imminent needs.

All that is called being realistic, something that can't be seen too often from our fans.

I think Juice leaves, esp listening to him about how excited he is to test FA. And he just made the pro bowl..he's gonna cash in and leave. To be honest, I hope he does. No way we need to pay 2+ mil for an overated FB. He played hard for us, but I hope he cashes in elsewhere. The FB position is overated, unless you have a true Vonte or Lorenzo Neal leading the way. I'd rather have an extra TE on the field....and Pitta shouldn't even count as a TE

Insightful. Boyle could be a capable replacement.

agreed

[Hardhitters]

We need O-linemen, we have good running backs and a QB, Dallas recipe made the offense look superstar-ish.

[Ravens8383]

Wouldn't it be nice to see Reuben Foster lined up next to Mosley with the other LBs on the team being able to help out in depth and in other spots.

[verified]

one of ozzies little small school draft picks hes missed on has to just sink or swim. We cant keep wasting draft picks on the same position year after year, if ozzie is that bad at recognizing talent then it might be time for eric to have a bigger voice.

[verified]

How many times do we have to draft a Linebacker and a pass rusher? How many times do we have to watch ozzie miss on guys year after year and then have to go into the next draft with the same needs as the year prior because ozzie keeps missing? Its really pathetic to watch.

[Neal Could Block the SUN!!]

How many times do we have to draft a Linebacker and a pass rusher? How many times do we have to watch ozzie miss on guys year after year and then have to go into the next draft with the same needs as the year prior because ozzie keeps missing? Its really pathetic to watch.

Totally agree. The players he doesn't miss on we tend to groom up and watch walk away for big paydays. Be nice to keep some of that talent (looking at you Brandon Williams). Be nice for Oz to nail this draft and bring in the depth we need to improve.

[Ravensfansince03]

Correa

[Ravensfansince03]

We need O-linemen, we have good running backs and a QB, Dallas recipe made the offense look superstar-ish.

Elliot is still an highly exceptional running back