[News] Late For Work 1/20: Ranking Ravens' Biggest Offseason Needs

[TheConquerorWorm]

6 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

Good thing you're not gm. Tankersley has no shot of lasting til our 2nd pick. And yeah, let's use pick 16 on an overated S/LB hybrid. And rely on Canady...lol nice try

tell us what you would do?

[sizzlingdoom]

It sounds like the Ravens have already given up on Correa/. We need new scouts. This is just embarrassing.

Agreed. So many first second and third round picks that can't even stay in the league. Very embarrasing

[sizzlingdoom]

Unlike a lot of you on here, I really don't think we'll take an ilb with our first pick nor should we. IMO it's one of the "easiest" positions to fill without using a high pick or a lot of money on one. If we did, Cunningham looks awesome. It's gotta be a cb at 16 though. Unless fournette or Williams or Jamal Adams fall

[#Nevermore]

I bet Rick Dennison is going to be a good offensive coordinator for the Bills and the Ravens miss another opportunity to sign someone who knows west coast system.

My feelings exactly.

[sizzlingdoom]

1. CB
2. O line
3. WR
4. Pass Rush Specialist- a McPhee type would be solid
5. S
6. MLB
7. RB

[Rav'n Maniac]

1. CB
2. O line
3. WR
4. Pass Rush Specialist- a McPhee type would be solid
5. S
6. MLB
7. RB

This is a good lineup I could get on board with. The only thing is we may need 2 Oline if Wagner leaves.

[Crusader]

Looks to me there are more holes on this team than be fixed in one season. These draft picks are really setting this team back. At least will be drafting in the top ten again.

[sizzlingdoom]

  2 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

1. CB
2. O line
3. WR
4. Pass Rush Specialist- a McPhee type would be solid
5. S
6. MLB
7. RB

This is a good lineup I could get on board with. The only thing is we may need 2 Oline if Wagner leaves.

Yeah I was looking at this after I posted it and I meant I thought this what a list of our needs in order. But it almost does work for the draft too. We should have more picks though, at least another third. I would love to see us give up future picks to draft 2 first rounders. If we drafted wr Ross and cb Tabor or King in the first, then went for the oline and pass rushers after that....I think we'd be pretty set. And we could gets two birds with one stone as Ross could be an electric returner from day 1. King is a great returner as well. 2 big time playmakers to be ravens for years. We need to draft at least 2 big time play makers this year in the early rounds. Rounds 1-3 have been killin us. Can't happen again if we wanna be playoff bound year in and year out

[thecommish]

well add in ILB to that needs list.

We need to land a WR and ILB in FA... Maybe even a S-

We need to re-sign Ducasse and then

look to draft

S-Gibrill Peppers
CB
OT
WR
RB

[billiejean]

I think it's a strong possibility that with today's breaking news of Orr retiring, Ozzie will go for an ILB with his first pick. If there's something we've learned about Ozzie's team philosophy, it's that first of all you need a good D - and it starts with a rock solid center core - two great ILB's. Now there's a vacancy, and no clear replacement. Going for an ILB with the top pick would be a trademark Ozzie move - and looking back, they'll probably nail it - Ozzie was always good at identifying LB talent, and then the coaching staff has always been great at talent development at LB (the exact opposite of WR where the scouting dept seems to do a lousy job identifying good talent, and then the coaching studd seems unable to develop the young guns).

So, my guess is: an ILB with the first pick in April.

It really comes down to what the board looks like when we're up but we have a much more pressing need at OLB and CB. We already spent a first rounder and a second rounder on that position. And with the way the league is these days pass rush and coverage guys are a must. The other thing is that it ts harder to find quality CBs and OLBs in later rounds than it is to find ILBs.

[billiejean]

If I'm Ozzie I sign Eric Berry and Brandon Marshall. Fill the rest of the holes through the draft. If a solid vet G/C becomes available we could add one as well.

Is this a serious statement? Come back down from the cloud my friend. There is no way we would be able to afford both of those guys. Even if we sign one of them hes going to eat so much cap space that we wouldn't be able to pick up any other guys for depth. Berry is most certainly out of our league at this point. It will be interesting to see how much interest Brandon Marshall gets but im expecting that someone will pay him more than we would be willing to pay him. I don't understand how someone who regularly posts on this site can actually believe that picking those two guys up is possible.

[rmcjacket23]

Looks to me there are more holes on this team than be fixed in one season. These draft picks are really setting this team back. At least will be drafting in the top ten again.

I think I heard the same thing about our draft pick # last offseason, when people said we'd be picking in the top 10 again...

[billiejean]

4 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

1. CB
2. O line
3. WR
4. Pass Rush Specialist- a McPhee type would be solid
5. S
6. MLB
7. RB

This is a futile exercise. You cant assign positions to particular rounds. There are so many variables that come into play on who we pick when we are up, and most of said variables can only be determined when we are on the clock.

Edited January 21 by billiejean

[rmcjacket23]

guess the lead article needs to be revamped now that Orr is gone. #1 priority is find a starting ILB.

Not really. I'm not even convinced that we need to replace Orr with another ILB at all necessarily.

[rmcjacket23]

If I'm Ozzie I sign Eric Berry and Brandon Marshall. Fill the rest of the holes through the draft. If a solid vet G/C becomes available we could add one as well.

No way we could afford both, nor do I think Berry would be even available.

Also would think we would emphasize getting younger at safety, not older.

[billiejean]

  23 hours ago, hen826957 said:

I bet Rick Dennison is going to be a good offensive coordinator for the Bills and the Ravens miss another opportunity to sign someone who knows west coast system.

My feelings exactly.

The frustrating part is that Rick would have takin this OC job over the Bills if we had offered it to him.

[sizzlingdoom]

  19 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

1. CB
2. O line
3. WR
4. Pass Rush Specialist- a McPhee type would be solid
5. S
6. MLB
7. RB

This is such a pointless exercise. You cant assign positions to particular rounds. There are so many variables that come into play on who we pick when we are up, and most of said variables can only be determined when we are on the clock.

list of our needs bruh, not what we're doing in the draft

[Tru11]

20 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

No way we could afford both, nor do I think Berry would be even available.

Also would think we would emphasize getting younger at safety, not older.

berry is 28.

weddle is 32  and webb is 31.

 

Edited January 22 by Tru11

[rmcjacket23]

7 hours ago, Tru11 said:

berry is 28.

weddle is 32  and webb is 31.

 

LOL getting younger at the position generally doesn't involve signing a 28 year old. That would involve signing a 21-23 year old, which is almost certainly what we will be looking to do.

All moot of course, because you're not spending top dollar on two safeties at the same time, especially when they aren't home grown.

[rmcjacket23]

On 1/21/2017 at 10:29 AM, billiejean said:

The frustrating part is that Rick would have takin this OC job over the Bills if we had offered it to him.

Source?

[Tru11]

26 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

LOL getting younger at the position generally doesn't involve signing a 28 year old. That would involve signing a 21-23 year old, which is almost certainly what we will be looking to do.

All moot of course, because you're not spending top dollar on two safeties at the same time, especially when they aren't home grown.

yes it does.

28 years is not considered old in the NFL.

 replacing a 30+ player with a 28 year old is getting younger and not older.

Edited January 22 by Tru11

[verified]

We have all these good people on the team thats all ozzie looks for thats why this team so soft, you think belicheck is concerned about good people?He looks for people that can play the game. And orrs retirement doesnt mean we need to get A Linebacker in the draft its time for some of ozzies terrible draft picks to step up, Arthur brown, komila Correa. Its time, cant have him keep wasting draft picks

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, Tru11 said:

yes it does.

28 years is not considered old in the NFL.

 replacing a 30+ player with a 28 year old is getting younger and not older.

28 is also not considered young in the NFL, especially at the safety position.

The idea is to get significantly younger, not to sign a player who costs more and is only two years younger. All that means is you've delayed yet another problem by about two years.

Again, all moot, because we couldn't afford him, probably wouldn't want to afford him, nor do I expect him to even be available to sign.

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, verified said:

We have all these good people on the team thats all ozzie looks for thats why this team so soft, you think belicheck is concerned about good people?He looks for people that can play the game. And orrs retirement doesnt mean we need to get A Linebacker in the draft its time for some of ozzies terrible draft picks to step up, Arthur brown, komila Correa. Its time, cant have him keep wasting draft picks

Yes, actually, Belichick is concerned about good people. Think that's pretty obvious at this point.

 

 

[billiejean]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Source?

No source, I was just using logic, but youre right this is all anecdotal. By all accounts he had a good relationship with Joe.  You have a team and a quarterback that has been extremely successful in your system just 3 years ago.  The Ravens organization is much more stable than the Bills, who have not been in the playoffs since 1995.  And there is not a coach in the NFL that thinks they would have a better chance of winning with Tyrod rather than Joe.  There also seems to be lack of communication at the top of the organization between the GM and owners which was highlighted when Rex was fired.  There really aren't any factors which would lead anyone to believe that he would have more success in Buffalo than in Baltimore.  But I guess really there are two scenarios where he would choose Buffalo instead of Baltimore (if he was offered the job in both cities).  The first would be that there is some type of strained relationship between him and anyone else in the Ravens organization.  The second would be that he is making his decision based on factors that don't take the likelihood of success into consideration.  Maybe he just really likes chicken wings.

[rmcjacket23]

11 hours ago, billiejean said:

No source, I was just using logic, but youre right this is all anecdotal. By all accounts he had a good relationship with Joe.  You have a team and a quarterback that has been extremely successful in your system just 3 years ago.  The Ravens organization is much more stable than the Bills, who have not been in the playoffs since 1995.  And there is not a coach in the NFL that thinks they would have a better chance of winning with Tyrod rather than Joe.  There also seems to be lack of communication at the top of the organization between the GM and owners which was highlighted when Rex was fired.  There really aren't any factors which would lead anyone to believe that he would have more success in Buffalo than in Baltimore.  But I guess really there are two scenarios where he would choose Buffalo instead of Baltimore (if he was offered the job in both cities).  The first would be that there is some type of strained relationship between him and anyone else in the Ravens organization.  The second would be that he is making his decision based on factors that don't take the likelihood of success into consideration.  Maybe he just really likes chicken wings.

1. Obviously a bit presumptuous to say that teams would prefer Baltimore over Buffalo in terms of likelihood of success. If you're talking strictly about PAST success, then sure, except unless he has a time machine and can go back and coach those players at those times, then past success doesn't play a ton into it, especially as an OC.

2. We don't know who is QB is going to be. Could be Tyrod (who he coached here), could be somebody else, in which case he will have good say into picking a QB he wants rather than being handed an existing one.

3. I'll definitely say this... I would take Buffalo's roster of players over the Ravens very quickly right now. I think it would be hard to argue that we have a more talented roster than them at this point.

4. I seriously doubt the OC cares about the organizational structure or how well a GM communicates with an Owner/HC. He's an OC. He reports to the HC. The HC picks him... not the GM, and not the owner. 

His job is to coach the offense and devise a game plan. His job isn't to worry about the politics of whether or not a Owner/GM communicate with each other.

[RavenManiac#7]

So tired of reading how close we were to making the playoffs. 4" to 6" away from beating the Squealers and making it into the playoffs! Read it all the time. But, really, is it Only that one play that made us or broke us? How about all the losses that we should have won easily. The Jets, for Pete's sake! And just how many games did our coaches have such a Huge hand in losing for us? It wasn't that 4" to 6" play. It Never should have come to that. Another thought about something stated in this article. It was reported that the Ravens couldn't change Orr's mind about retiring. Given the seriousness of his injury, after all, I read that the doctors told him he shouldn't play football anymore. Why would the team even Try to change his mind? His quality of life is much more important than him playing football anymore. I believe that he made the wise decision and I pray that he will have a safe and fulfilling life ahead of him. And, finally, I sure wish that Harbs, since he didn't get fired, would have chosen to let our OC go and offered Dennison the job. Just some of my own personal thoughts, that's all.

[BmoreRavensFan4Eva]

I think the biggest need is getting another offensive lineman to help protect Joe, and to improve the running game. How many times have fans complained about Joe throwing off one leg or throwing too high? Some blame should go to Joe, but still, with poor pass protection, I don't think any QB would feel comfortable playing behind a line that can't block.The offense for most of the season could barely move the ball past midfield, and it will continue to have problems if it's not fixed. Again, the Ravens the o-line should be the priority, then improve other positions. 

[balfan23]

32 minutes ago, RavenManiac#7 said:

So tired of reading how close we were to making the playoffs. 4" to 6" away from beating the Squealers and making it into the playoffs! Read it all the time. But, really, is it Only that one play that made us or broke us? How about all the losses that we should have won easily. The Jets, for Pete's sake! And just how many games did our coaches have such a Huge hand in losing for us? It wasn't that 4" to 6" play. It Never should have come to that. 

I'm with you 100%. That inches away from the postseason sentiment dismisses a lot. Foremost, it makes the assumption we just waltz into CIN and beat the Bengals ... something we've not exactly been making a habit of. Using that kind of logic, one could also say that we were inches from being 6-10 ... and in games we had no business turning into such close affairs.

I believe if the Eagles staff had not been so cavalier to go for two and took us to OT, that would have ended in a loss and the PIT game would have been meaningless. I'd like to hear the post-season narrative if that had happened, because I think it is a lot closer to what it should be than the one I hear when we start talking about only being inches away. 

To realistically expect to be a playoff team in 2017 we have to figure out how to stop the offense from going into a coma for such long periods and stop the defense from having complete end of game collapses. Are we an inch or two away from fixing those problems? Since these issues have been around for a few years now, it really doesn't feel like it.   

[Tru11]

22 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

28 is also not considered young in the NFL, especially at the safety position.

The idea is to get significantly younger, not to sign a player who costs more and is only two years younger. All that means is you've delayed yet another problem by about two years.

Again, all moot, because we couldn't afford him, probably wouldn't want to afford him, nor do I expect him to even be available to sign.

28 is younger then 32 and 31.

so when you replace a 32 or a 31 year old with a 28 year old player you are in fact getting younger and not older like you previously stated.

 

On 21-1-2017 at 4:26 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

No way we could afford both, nor do I think Berry would be even available.

Also would think we would emphasize getting younger at safety, not older.