[News] Late For Work 1/19: Joe Flacco Reacts For First Time To Ravens Keeping Marty Mornhinweg

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Will Ed Reed replace Leslie Frazier as the secondary coach? Ravens' carryover spending is well below the league average ... and that's not a bad thing. Reasons to keep and release Elvis Dumervil. Two Ravens ranked in top-five under-the-radar free agents.

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[KidNme]

I really don't believe that they'd even consider Reed for a coaching job here. He may have been one of the best but that doesn't translate into a good teacher. I also remember his last few years here were fraught with drama. Lot's of bickering with the coaches and management, leaving us hanging to the last minute as to whether or not he'd be back the next year or his trip to Buffalo his last year, saying it was just visiting friends when we all knew he was shopping himself and my personal favorite, the way he'd pitch the ball to try to keep the "drive alive" when he thought he was going to be tackled. Of course, this was during one of his famous pics and returns but that always drove me crazy!

[The Greek]

hope harbaugh does not promote hewitt or horton. go out and get somone with a history of success. college ranks possibly?

[Maurice0094]

I would like Ed to come back but I don't think Harbaugh will bring him back. I would like to see a secondary coach brought in from outside. Maybe a Ray Horton or bring back Mike Petitine.
As far as Dume cut him, too much money invested for someone who plays just 3rd down and has a foot injury. Players like Wright, Webb, Lewis, Arrington will soon follow. Restructures will be asked of Zuttah and J. Smith probably. Atleast the Ravens can make a competitive offer to Williams and Wagner. I'm sure they will look at the backups to see if they are ready to move on. Pierce did well to beat out Carl Davis for snaps so he is a viable replacement. I'm not sure if Alex Lewis can be a starter at RT he wasn't that good at LG.

[bioLarzen]

"Horton was an assistant special teams coach, but he was an NFL safety for four seasons."

Horton played in 3 seasons, from 2008 till 2010. During that span, he played in 29 games, starting 15. He had 3 INT's, 1 forced fumble and 1 sack.

For comparison: our very own Tom Zbikowski was in the NFL for 6 seasons, playing 64 games. And we can all remember how low level he played... (sorry, Tom, but let's face it...)

That, of course, says nothing about how good a coach Horton can be - but still.

[RavensDieHard21]

Let it be known Ravens Organization, it's time to buckle up. FO and scouts need to do their research and find talent in the draft. Harbaugh needs to fill the roster with talented coaches, not just his poker buddies. Finally, Flacco needs to stop making 101 excuses. Once we get a competent center, it's up to him to make the scheme Marty draws up translate to success. Fans don't want to hear excuses anymore, 3/4 years missing the playoffs isn't fun.

[whobilly]

Time to part ways with Dumervil regardless of "Wherever I play I'm gonna be a beast" Did you expect him to say, well, I'm getting old and this game is taken its toll on me. B Williams will be gone as another team will give a good player great player money. Juice, good guy, good player. Would we really miss him if he moves on?

[bioLarzen]

As for Reed to Baltimore... if it was meant to be, it would have already happened. I don't thnink either Harbaugh or Reed fancies working with the other.

[omar586]

they gonna have to start taking talented players with off field issues, with the exception of domestic violence of course.

[eze17]

they gonna have to start taking talented players with off field issues, with the exception of domestic violence of course.

Why? Not saying they won't take a chance with someone who has had issues (they drafted Alex Smith last year, and he had spent time in jail for assault), but you make it seem like the only really good players out there all have personal problems, which is not true. What is your point?

[eze17]

  8 minutes ago, omar586 said:

they gonna have to start taking talented players with off field issues, with the exception of domestic violence of course.

Why? Not saying they won't take a chance with someone who has had issues (they drafted Alex Smith last year, and he had spent time in jail for assault), but you make it seem like the only really good players out there all have personal problems, which is not true. What is your point?

Whoops! Meant Alex Lewis! Sorry!

[ellicottraven]

I don't expect Reed to coach in Baltimore till there is a regime change of HC. I don't think Reed truly wants to coach under Harbaugh because they didn't get along very well and its documented. Also, I don't know if he likes to be in a regimented coaching environment. He's perhaps by nature a free flower much like he was when he played. That doesn't a good coach make.

[ellicottraven]

hope harbaugh does not promote hewitt or horton. go out and get somone with a history of success. college ranks possibly?

Harbaugh's lack of a great network (being a special teams coach and because he has only coached on 2 NFL teams) and the fact that he is fiercely loyal even if at the cost of improvement means he'll promote from within.

[ellicottraven]

Flacco makes good arguments about wanting to retain Marty. But, if he's excited about seeing what kind of offense (Marty's own) will be installed and him working with Marty to establish it, what difference would it make if we had gone ahead with a change to a more successful OC? If on the other hand it's his comfort level with Marty because he has a great relationship with him then it's okay I suppose. But hopefully it also doesn't mean that Marty basically acquiesces to Joe's demands (to throw a lot) easily doesn't equate to a good working relationship...

Edited January 19 by ellicottraven

[fusuymada]

  2 hours ago, The Greek said:

hope harbaugh does not promote hewitt or horton. go out and get somone with a history of success. college ranks possibly?

Harbaugh's lack of a great network (being a special teams coach and because he has only coached on 2 NFL teams) and the fact that he is fiercely loyal even if at the cost of improvement means he'll promote from within.

I think you are failing to consider both his father who is well entrenched and his brother, who is still getting NFL coaching offers, then yes he is limited. But he has already shown he has no problem hiring people who coached for both his brother and his father which opens up a number of quality coaches in the NFL. It doesn't matter, to the naysayers, Harbaugh could have gone to the playoffs 9 years in a row and won a super bowl and some of these so-called Ravens fans would want him fired because he only won one super bowl in 9 tries. Everyone wants to win every year and if the fans had their way, only Bellicek would have a job and 31 other coaching jobs would be terminated for lack of production. Thank goodness the fans don't run things.

[eze17]

  25 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

  2 hours ago, The Greek said:

hope harbaugh does not promote hewitt or horton. go out and get somone with a history of success. college ranks possibly?

Harbaugh's lack of a great network (being a special teams coach and because he has only coached on 2 NFL teams) and the fact that he is fiercely loyal even if at the cost of improvement means he'll promote from within.

I think you are failing to consider both his father who is well entrenched and his brother, who is still getting NFL coaching offers, then yes he is limited. But he has already shown he has no problem hiring people who coached for both his brother and his father which opens up a number of quality coaches in the NFL. It doesn't matter, to the naysayers, Harbaugh could have gone to the playoffs 9 years in a row and won a super bowl and some of these so-called Ravens fans would want him fired because he only won one super bowl in 9 tries. Everyone wants to win every year and if the fans had their way, only Bellicek would have a job and 31 other coaching jobs would be terminated for lack of production. Thank goodness the fans don't run things.

Well said. And I personally know Pat's fans who have complained about Bellicek being out of touch after some of his rare play-off losses and want him fired and a new coach brought in to "shake things up". So you'll NEVER please some fans, no matter how good they've got it. Sad.

[TheConquerorWorm]

Need a WR & DB coach with coaching experience, not a guy that played in the NFL (no matter if he is a HOFer). The reason the Squealers and the Pats always have great WR - look at the resume of their WRs coaches.....

[jravens1313]

I'm glad that someone pointed out the Carryover Cap situation. Ozzie has failed to use this rule to our benefit. We keep talking about how great our Offesive Linemen are yet the results of the field would say otherwise. If Yanda played well, Stanley played well, Wagner played well, Lewis played well, then how did we struggle in both the run and pass game? Zuttah wasn't great, but it doesn't all fall on him.

Imo we can upgrade 3 positions on the O-Line and will see improvements from doing so.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I'm glad that someone pointed out the Carryover Cap situation. Ozzie has failed to use this rule to our benefit. We keep talking about how great our Offesive Linemen are yet the results of the field would say otherwise. If Yanda played well, Stanley played well, Wagner played well, Lewis played well, then how did we struggle in both the run and pass game? Zuttah wasn't great, but it doesn't all fall on him.

Imo we can upgrade 3 positions on the O-Line and will see improvements from doing so.

Yanda played well but missed several games to injury. Wagner missed a couple. Stanley missed at least 4. And Lewis missed half of the season.

So, yes... those 4 all played very well, yet our line still struggled overall because they were VERY rarely in the lineup together. And when they were it was in the beginning of the season -- Lewis' and Stanley's first ever starts. And we went 3-0 in those games.

I think we had 2 losses, maybe only 1; when all 4 were in the lineup together. And it was to Dallas and/or New England.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

  5 hours ago, The Greek said:

hope harbaugh does not promote hewitt or horton. go out and get somone with a history of success. college ranks possibly?

Harbaugh's lack of a great network (being a special teams coach and because he has only coached on 2 NFL teams) and the fact that he is fiercely loyal even if at the cost of improvement means he'll promote from within.

Seriously? Pretty sure almost anyone in the NFL would recommend one of their guys to work under Harbaugh, and he's worked with or for many of the best/well connected coaches in the league.

Kubiak, Roman, Pees, Caldwell, Leslie Frazier, Steve Spags, Trestman, etc... all guys from outside his immediate coaching "tree" that have come to work for him. In several cases former HC's coming in as assistants or position coaches just to do so.

Add to the fact that Belichick recommended him for the coaching hire here and his close relationship with Andy Reid, plus all the guys that have been promoted to other jobs after working under John... Harbs is probably just as well, if not more connected throughout the NFL coaching circles than anyone else.

Connection to Spags means hes got connections to the Giants and the Coughlin tree. Connection to Kubiak he can tap Denver. Caldwell and Teryl Austin in the Lions. Pagano to the Colts staff. Reid to the Chiefs staff. Pederson at the Eagles. Belichick and Pees for the Pats. Frazier now gives him ties in Buffalo.

Not to mention he can lean on Ozzie and the FO's connections for relationships with Hue Jackson and the Browns, Marvin Lewis and the Bengals so by association Gruden and the Redskins as well as Zimmer and the Vikings; Del Rio and the Raiders, Mike Pettine, Rex Ryan, Mike Smith , Jim Schwartz at the Eagles, Ken Whisenhunt, Mike Nolan, and a slew of guys present and past both pro and college like Mangini, Cam Cameron, Neuhisel (sp), etc...

Include his brother Jim and his connections from both playing days, coaching in the NFL, and NCAA which go nearly as deep; plus his father whose contemporaries/buddies influenced an entire generation of coaches -- Harbs is easily one of the most well respected, well liked, and well connected guys in the league.

He could make a call into almost every NFL organization and a wide range of the NCAA game and get the blessing to interview who he wants, or be able to talk to a trusted confidant to get a recommendation.

[JonnyBaltimore]

"I think" "you have to realize", these are not the language of a decisive leader. Say it like you mean it Flacco!

[JamesA119]

  7 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

  9 hours ago, The Greek said:

hope harbaugh does not promote hewitt or horton. go out and get somone with a history of success. college ranks possibly?

Harbaugh's lack of a great network (being a special teams coach and because he has only coached on 2 NFL teams) and the fact that he is fiercely loyal even if at the cost of improvement means he'll promote from within.

Seriously? Pretty sure almost anyone in the NFL would recommend one of their guys to work under Harbaugh, and he's worked with or for many of the best/well connected coaches in the league.

Kubiak, Roman, Pees, Caldwell, Leslie Frazier, Steve Spags, Trestman, etc... all guys from outside his immediate coaching "tree" that have come to work for him. In several cases former HC's coming in as assistants or position coaches just to do so.

Add to the fact that Belichick recommended him for the coaching hire here and his close relationship with Andy Reid, plus all the guys that have been promoted to other jobs after working under John... Harbs is probably just as well, if not more connected throughout the NFL coaching circles than anyone else.

Connection to Spags means hes got connections to the Giants and the Coughlin tree. Connection to Kubiak he can tap Denver. Caldwell and Teryl Austin in the Lions. Pagano to the Colts staff. Reid to the Chiefs staff. Pederson at the Eagles. Belichick and Pees for the Pats. Frazier now gives him ties in Buffalo.

Not to mention he can lean on Ozzie and the FO's connections for relationships with Hue Jackson and the Browns, Marvin Lewis and the Bengals so by association Gruden and the Redskins as well as Zimmer and the Vikings; Del Rio and the Raiders, Mike Pettine, Rex Ryan, Mike Smith , Jim Schwartz at the Eagles, Ken Whisenhunt, Mike Nolan, and a slew of guys present and past both pro and college like Mangini, Cam Cameron, Neuhisel (sp), etc...

Include his brother Jim and his connections from both playing days, coaching in the NFL, and NCAA which go nearly as deep; plus his father whose contemporaries/buddies influenced an entire generation of coaches -- Harbs is easily one of the most well respected, well liked, and well connected guys in the league.

He could make a call into almost every NFL organization and a wide range of the NCAA game and get the blessing to interview who he wants, or be able to talk to a trusted confidant to get a recommendation.

Your response is just a massive brainstorm. You are essentially saying that everyone in the NFL is connected to everyone. This is somewhat true however the previous posters were making the point that Coach Harbaugh went from being The Eagles special teams coach to a head coach with the Ravens. That Eagles job was his first job in the NFL. There's no doubt that he has hired more people connected to the eagles than any other franchise. Would it surprise you to know that Frazier and Spagnuolo all were with Harbaugh in Philadelphia. We all know about Juan Castillo. Harbaugh even loves Eagles players even the washed up ones like Jason Babin whom he chose over Dwight Freeney.
In terms of connectivity the senior Harbaugh was never in the NFL. He was at Western KY university in Bowling in Green as a head coach and an assistant to Bo Schembechler at university of Michigan.

The Harbaugh family is an excellent family, and a great great football family, but in NFL sense as a coach, John Harbaugh is the most accomplished.
In my opinion I think he had too much affinity for everything eagles, and that's not using the full breadth of the NFL

[ellicottraven]

47 minutes ago, JamesA119 said:

Your response is just a massive brainstorm. You are essentially saying that everyone in the NFL is connected to everyone. This is somewhat true however the previous posters were making the point that Coach Harbaugh went from being The Eagles special teams coach to a head coach with the Ravens. That Eagles job was his first job in the NFL. There's no doubt that he has hired more people connected to the eagles than any other franchise. Would it surprise you to know that Frazier and Spagnuolo all were with Harbaugh in Philadelphia. We all know about Juan Castillo. Harbaugh even loves Eagles players even the washed up ones like Jason Babin whom he chose over Dwight Freeney.
In terms of connectivity the senior Harbaugh was never in the NFL. He was at Western KY university in Bowling in Green as a head coach and an assistant to Bo Schembechler at university of Michigan.

The Harbaugh family is an excellent family, and a great great football family, but in NFL sense as a coach, John Harbaugh is the most accomplished.
In my opinion I think he had too much affinity for everything eagles, and that's not using the full breadth of the NFL

Thank you for succinctly illustrating my point so I won't bother to respond to that diatribe! Exactly what I meant when I said he had limited network in the NFL. Look even his latest hire Roman is because of Jim's affinity and knowledge of Roman and nothing else.

Edited January 20 by ellicottraven

[billiejean]

"I think" "you have to realize", these are not the language of a decisive leader. Say it like you mean it Flacco!

How would a "decisive leader" have said it.

[Rav'n Maniac]

I wouldn't expect Reed to want to coach here, at least while Harbs is the HC. I feel there has always been something going on between the two that has affected that relationship.

[BigUgly]

6 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

I wouldn't expect Reed to want to coach here, at least while Harbs is the HC. I feel there has always been something going on between the two that has affected that relationship.

I wouldn't expect the Ravens to want Reed to coach here just yet, especially as a lead positional coach.  Its tough to have him coach on the team when there are still players on the squad who played with him, and under a head coach who coached him.  Add in the fact that Ed has very little actual coaching experience, and it makes sense for both sides to let him get seasoned elsewhere.  If, in a few years, he proves to be a coach anywhere near as talented as he was as a player, then by all means bring him aboard!

Edited January 20 by BigUgly

[J.O.14]

I'm glad that someone pointed out the Carryover Cap situation. Ozzie has failed to use this rule to our benefit. We keep talking about how great our Offesive Linemen are yet the results of the field would say otherwise. If Yanda played well, Stanley played well, Wagner played well, Lewis played well, then how did we struggle in both the run and pass game? Zuttah wasn't great, but it doesn't all fall on him.

Imo we can upgrade 3 positions on the O-Line and will see improvements from doing so.

As bad as our line seemed to play, we have to remember they were only on the field together for about 10-12 games if that.

And surprisingly, our line graded out as the 9th ranked line in the league....that's not bad at all. And when all the starters were on the field together, we were actually pretty decent.

[J.O.14]

Flacco makes good arguments about wanting to retain Marty. But, if he's excited about seeing what kind of offense (Marty's own) will be installed and him working with Marty to establish it, what difference would it make if we had gone ahead with a change to a more successful OC? If on the other hand it's his comfort level with Marty because he has a great relationship with him then it's okay I suppose. But hopefully it also doesn't mean that Marty basically acquiesces to Joe's demands (to throw a lot) easily doesn't equate to a good working relationship...

Marty runs the same offense, but every coach has their way of spinning it. Terminology, concepts, beliefs, etc. Trestman was a pass happy guy, and you can't change a lot of that in the middle of a season. I think what Flacco was saying is that he is going to add his identity to the offense now with a couple of his own wrinkles.

[Crusader]

I don't expect Reed to coach in Baltimore till there is a regime change of HC. I don't think Reed truly wants to coach under Harbaugh because they didn't get along very well and its documented. Also, I don't know if he likes to be in a regimented coaching environment. He's perhaps by nature a free flower much like he was when he played. That doesn't a good coach make.

So true. There are people around Baltimore that don't like Ed Reed and wanted him gone years before SB.but the people in Baltimore can relate. Ed's knowledge of the QB's he faced is priceless. You don't have to like the man but you have to respect the man. Something a know-it-all will never get.

[Crusader]

I believe most people on this site do not want to really start over with a new coach. QB or OC but just want to push these guys to become better. Joe just needs to get out of his comfort zone.Its easy to plan against him. Just when people think they got you figured out, change.