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[News] How Much Of An Impact Did Joe Flacco's Knee Have On Him?

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The Ravens quarterback said he doesn’t think his ACL injury had an effect on him this year, but Owner Steve Bisciotti believes it did, and everybody agrees that less offseason rehab and more training should help Flacco rebound in 2017.

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Joe never made excuses for his less then good performances during last season. I truly believe that Mr Biscotti hit the nail on the head. There is no way Joe could have been 100% and I look forward to a better next season for Joe and our Ravens.

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With regard to his accuracy with a hurt knee (assuming it wasn't completely healed), what was his completion percentage this year vs years past? Was it so much worse this year or not? In fact out of curiosity I dug up his career stats and guess what? 2016 was his best completion percentage ever! So, why do we keep creating scenarios as to why Flacco underperformed? Could it be his knee? Sure but was it? Don't know but at least it didn't affect his completion percentage. Well this article seems to say he was inaccurate because of it, but the stats debunk that theory. Here are the stats:

SEASON TEAM GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
2008
BAL
16 257 428 60.0 2,971 6.94 14 70 12 6 45.0 80.3
2009
BAL
16 315 499 63.1 3,613 7.24 21 72 12 6 63.0 88.9
2010
BAL
16 306 489 62.6 3,622 7.41 25 67 10 7 63.1 93.6
2011
BAL
16 312 542 57.6 3,610 6.66 20 74 12 9 66.3 80.9
2012
BAL
16 317 531 59.7 3,817 7.19 22 61 10 6 54.9 87.7
2013
BAL
16 362 614 59.0 3,912 6.37 19 74 22 8 50.9 73.1
2014
BAL
16 344 554 62.1 3,986 7.20 27 80 12 2 71.6 91.0
2015
BAL
10 266 413 64.4 2,791 6.76 14 50 12 2 53.3 83.1
2016
BAL
16 436 672 64.9 4,317 6.42 20 95 15 4 58.6 83.5

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Will he wear the knee brace next year? I hope not 

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With regard to his accuracy with a hurt knee (assuming it wasn't completely healed), what was his completion percentage this year vs years past? Was it so much worse this year or not? In fact out of curiosity I dug up his career stats and guess what? 2016 was his best completion percentage ever! So, why do we keep creating scenarios as to why Flacco underperformed? Could it be his knee? Sure but was it? Don't know but at least it didn't affect his completion percentage. Well this article seems to say he was inaccurate because of it, but the stats debunk that theory. Here are the stats:

SEASON TEAM GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
2008
BAL
16 257 428 60.0 2,971 6.94 14 70 12 6 45.0 80.3
2009
BAL
16 315 499 63.1 3,613 7.24 21 72 12 6 63.0 88.9
2010
BAL
16 306 489 62.6 3,622 7.41 25 67 10 7 63.1 93.6
2011
BAL
16 312 542 57.6 3,610 6.66 20 74 12 9 66.3 80.9
2012
BAL
16 317 531 59.7 3,817 7.19 22 61 10 6 54.9 87.7
2013
BAL
16 362 614 59.0 3,912 6.37 19 74 22 8 50.9 73.1
2014
BAL
16 344 554 62.1 3,986 7.20 27 80 12 2 71.6 91.0
2015
BAL
10 266 413 64.4 2,791 6.76 14 50 12 2 53.3 83.1
2016
BAL
16 436 672 64.9 4,317 6.42 20 95 15 4 58.6 83.5

Percentage was great but don't forget all the dump off passes. That always helps accuracy but doesn't help much else.

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With regard to his accuracy with a hurt knee (assuming it wasn't completely healed), what was his completion percentage this year vs years past? Was it so much worse this year or not? In fact out of curiosity I dug up his career stats and guess what? 2016 was his best completion percentage ever! So, why do we keep creating scenarios as to why Flacco underperformed? Could it be his knee? Sure but was it? Don't know but at least it didn't affect his completion percentage. Well this article seems to say he was inaccurate because of it, but the stats debunk that theory. Here are the stats:

SEASON TEAM GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
2008
BAL
16 257 428 60.0 2,971 6.94 14 70 12 6 45.0 80.3
2009
BAL
16 315 499 63.1 3,613 7.24 21 72 12 6 63.0 88.9
2010
BAL
16 306 489 62.6 3,622 7.41 25 67 10 7 63.1 93.6
2011
BAL
16 312 542 57.6 3,610 6.66 20 74 12 9 66.3 80.9
2012
BAL
16 317 531 59.7 3,817 7.19 22 61 10 6 54.9 87.7
2013
BAL
16 362 614 59.0 3,912 6.37 19 74 22 8 50.9 73.1
2014
BAL
16 344 554 62.1 3,986 7.20 27 80 12 2 71.6 91.0
2015
BAL
10 266 413 64.4 2,791 6.76 14 50 12 2 53.3 83.1
2016
BAL
16 436 672 64.9 4,317 6.42 20 95 15 4 58.6 83.5

I think, if I can read this right, his percentage was up but the ave YPC is way down, so he threw more but only real short passes. That's why his percentage is up. If you shoot more layups than 3 pointers, ur percentage is gonna be higher.

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There is no question that the ACL repair takes about a year or longer to be close to 100%. Some of it is more mental than physical. Missing time throwing to his new receivers in the off season was evident throughout the season,not on the same page on reads and routes. That will improve big time and I believe we will see that this year. Put the time in this off season and reap those rewards, just do it.

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Joe never made excuses for his less then good performances during last season. I truly believe that Mr Biscotti hit the nail on the head. There is no way Joe could have been 100% and I look forward to a better next season for Joe and our Ravens.

Now if we can find some other legit receivers to go along with Mike Wallace that would help things a lot.

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  2 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

With regard to his accuracy with a hurt knee (assuming it wasn't completely healed), what was his completion percentage this year vs years past? Was it so much worse this year or not? In fact out of curiosity I dug up his career stats and guess what? 2016 was his best completion percentage ever! So, why do we keep creating scenarios as to why Flacco underperformed? Could it be his knee? Sure but was it? Don't know but at least it didn't affect his completion percentage. Well this article seems to say he was inaccurate because of it, but the stats debunk that theory. Here are the stats:

SEASON TEAM GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
2008
BAL
16 257 428 60.0 2,971 6.94 14 70 12 6 45.0 80.3
2009
BAL
16 315 499 63.1 3,613 7.24 21 72 12 6 63.0 88.9
2010
BAL
16 306 489 62.6 3,622 7.41 25 67 10 7 63.1 93.6
2011
BAL
16 312 542 57.6 3,610 6.66 20 74 12 9 66.3 80.9
2012
BAL
16 317 531 59.7 3,817 7.19 22 61 10 6 54.9 87.7
2013
BAL
16 362 614 59.0 3,912 6.37 19 74 22 8 50.9 73.1
2014
BAL
16 344 554 62.1 3,986 7.20 27 80 12 2 71.6 91.0
2015
BAL
10 266 413 64.4 2,791 6.76 14 50 12 2 53.3 83.1
2016
BAL
16 436 672 64.9 4,317 6.42 20 95 15 4 58.6 83.5

Percentage was great but don't forget all the dump off passes. That always helps accuracy but doesn't help much else.

Exactly. If I shoot layups all of the time, my shooting percentage will look great. It'd be interesting to see a chart of the percentage differences every 5-10 yards; I bet beyond 10 yards his accuracy drops considerably.

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I give him credit for bouncing back after a torn ACL and not missing 1 game. His durability and toughness is second to none in this league. That said, we did not make the playoffs and he is a big reason why we did not.

Injured or not, he is AVERAGE JOE in the regular season, and JANUARY JOE in the post season.

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With regard to his accuracy with a hurt knee (assuming it wasn't completely healed), what was his completion percentage this year vs years past? Was it so much worse this year or not? In fact out of curiosity I dug up his career stats and guess what? 2016 was his best completion percentage ever! So, why do we keep creating scenarios as to why Flacco underperformed? Could it be his knee? Sure but was it? Don't know but at least it didn't affect his completion percentage. Well this article seems to say he was inaccurate because of it, but the stats debunk that theory. Here are the stats:

SEASON TEAM GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
2008
BAL
16 257 428 60.0 2,971 6.94 14 70 12 6 45.0 80.3
2009
BAL
16 315 499 63.1 3,613 7.24 21 72 12 6 63.0 88.9
2010
BAL
16 306 489 62.6 3,622 7.41 25 67 10 7 63.1 93.6
2011
BAL
16 312 542 57.6 3,610 6.66 20 74 12 9 66.3 80.9
2012
BAL
16 317 531 59.7 3,817 7.19 22 61 10 6 54.9 87.7
2013
BAL
16 362 614 59.0 3,912 6.37 19 74 22 8 50.9 73.1
2014
BAL
16 344 554 62.1 3,986 7.20 27 80 12 2 71.6 91.0
2015
BAL
10 266 413 64.4 2,791 6.76 14 50 12 2 53.3 83.1
2016
BAL
16 436 672 64.9 4,317 6.42 20 95 15 4 58.6 83.5

This is one of those instances where stats doesn't tell the true story.
His accuracy was inflated because of dumpoff passes - remember the New England game lol.
Also most career passing yards. Last season the pass run ratio was something like 70:30. 70:30!!!! Imagine that.
Garbage yards.

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Please. Really. The knee will always be an excuse- now. Before, it was his lack of weapons and incompetence of all those offensive coordinators we went through. What excuse or issue are you going to write about next year. OOOH, wait- I have one. Why did we stick with the coordinator that refused to run the run the ball, while we hire ( a next in line, offensive-assistant) one that likes to run the ball. This is a cover up for when we / Flacco stink next year, in the making).

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  4 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

With regard to his accuracy with a hurt knee (assuming it wasn't completely healed), what was his completion percentage this year vs years past? Was it so much worse this year or not? In fact out of curiosity I dug up his career stats and guess what? 2016 was his best completion percentage ever! So, why do we keep creating scenarios as to why Flacco underperformed? Could it be his knee? Sure but was it? Don't know but at least it didn't affect his completion percentage. Well this article seems to say he was inaccurate because of it, but the stats debunk that theory. Here are the stats:

SEASON TEAM GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
2008
BAL
16 257 428 60.0 2,971 6.94 14 70 12 6 45.0 80.3
2009
BAL
16 315 499 63.1 3,613 7.24 21 72 12 6 63.0 88.9
2010
BAL
16 306 489 62.6 3,622 7.41 25 67 10 7 63.1 93.6
2011
BAL
16 312 542 57.6 3,610 6.66 20 74 12 9 66.3 80.9
2012
BAL
16 317 531 59.7 3,817 7.19 22 61 10 6 54.9 87.7
2013
BAL
16 362 614 59.0 3,912 6.37 19 74 22 8 50.9 73.1
2014
BAL
16 344 554 62.1 3,986 7.20 27 80 12 2 71.6 91.0
2015
BAL
10 266 413 64.4 2,791 6.76 14 50 12 2 53.3 83.1
2016
BAL
16 436 672 64.9 4,317 6.42 20 95 15 4 58.6 83.5

This is one of those instances where stats doesn't tell the true story.
His accuracy was inflated because of dumpoff passes - remember the New England game lol.
Also most career passing yards. Last season the pass run ratio was something like 70:30. 70:30!!!! Imagine that.
Garbage yards.

Yeah- and they are going to re-invent the running game next year. Right. ANALOGY: you can have all the best ingredients in the world to cook with- but if your chef cant turn on the stove- someones going to be hungry.

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The reality is Flacco looked bad in 2013, was helped by a great run game and OC in 2014, and played poorly before the injury in 2015. I think the first 5 games, it was evident that he was hesitant in the pocket and was throwing off the back foot more than he usually does.

However, coming into this season, all of the articles on this site mentioned he has more weapons than ever. To be at the bottom 3rd of QB rating while being at the top in attempts passing says a lot.

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2 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

This is one of those instances where stats doesn't tell the true story.
His accuracy was inflated because of dumpoff passes - remember the New England game lol.
Also most career passing yards. Last season the pass run ratio was something like 70:30. 70:30!!!! Imagine that.
Garbage yards.

I totally agree he was terrible last year, but the excuses being made by Ravens paid staff bloggers on behalf of the team is appalling and that's the reason I showed the stats. Now, its because Flacco was hurt last year that he was stinking up the joint. But, truthfully while his head must be affected by the ACL (Understandable),  he was physically more than okay. He was just so hurried that he chose the dump off pass more than any other. He played scared all of last year and was unable to diagnose defenses and just followed Pitta with his eyes so much that they used to entrap him into throwing interceptions. He was terrible last year and his weapons were more than adequate to have a good year. He just played very poorly and that's got to change.

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What are Ryan Mink, Eisenberg, Ellison and the other Ravens' writers supposed to say? Flacco stunk it up for yet another season? But he did. This guy looks brilliant at times, and will turn a great game into another 1 or 2 "dumb interceptions", according to Rich Gannon and other commentators. Every other QB shows improvements. I blame part of it on the Ravens organization: there is no consistency at the OC position... Agent 89 said it. The language and terms change from OC to OC, and you just gotta learn the new guy's way. None of the OCs want to stick around, because it's way too much of a challenge to wake up this sleeper of an offense. I love the Ravens, but I am more excited to watch Redskins games with my wife because their offense looks far more exciting.

Since Ray Rice's penultimate season, we have stunk up the running game, and rather than continue to feed West and Dixon to get #5 into a flow in certain games, they let those guys turn into blockers, receivers or bench warmers. The D can't continue to keep us in it. According to Warren Sapp, defense doesn't win championships, but it gives you a chance... and he would know. If you can't put points on the board or stop turning the ball over or move the ball in every way possible, why not try some balance instead of airing it out 600 times a season. Even their boss said is was bad.

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One of the bottom lines is the Ravens just can't figure out how to coach offense. The Kubiack year was a small exception. Really good coaching can make players and a team better than they should be. That hasn't happened in Baltimore in a long time. That's what I think. thoughts?

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One of the bottom lines is the Ravens just can't figure out how to coach offense. The Kubiack year was a small exception. Really good coaching can make players and a team better than they should be. That hasn't happened in Baltimore in a long time. That's what I think. thoughts?

It's obvious that coaching can trump talent, to a point. Aside from Tom Brady (and Randy Moss for a brief moment), the Pats have had no real star talent yet still win. They'd likely still get to 10-12 wins without Brady (Cassell had 11 wins, Garrapolo went 3-1).

A Kubiak-led offense would have taken this team to at least 10 wins, but our defense would have still lost us the big one (likely in the wildcard round vice regular season).

In the absence of offensive coaching competence, the next best thing for the Ravens to do is build an "elite" O-Line (like Dallas or Oakland), and hope that improves the running game and gives Joe time to throw.

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The reality is Flacco looked bad in 2013, was helped by a great run game and OC in 2014, and played poorly before the injury in 2015. I think the first 5 games, it was evident that he was hesitant in the pocket and was throwing off the back foot more than he usually does.

However, coming into this season, all of the articles on this site mentioned he has more weapons than ever. To be at the bottom 3rd of QB rating while being at the top in attempts passing says a lot.

I do think the injury was an issue. He relatively less efficient and effective in the first half of the season, against the "easiest" teams on the schedule, and was much better the second half. Of course, "better" is in the context of this horrendous offense.

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Sure his injury affected him this year. That along with poor mechanics, a struggling Oline, Wr's not getting open along with drops and the playcalling/lack of a run game all contributed to his poor season.

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We lost 4 games we should have won well maybe the skins game but the others were rite there! Trestman tried quick releases and Joe struggled with that smh brady and big ben do those all day! Brady to Edelman all day Big ben got AB open at the goal line I wonder could Joe make that pass?! Joe needs to step his game "ALL THE WAY UP" because the only position suspect on this team is the QB because the Ravens got the weapons! The pats w/o brady the squeelers w/o big ben not in playoffs! The QB is the bread and butter of the team PERIOD!

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Plus Joe needs to incorporate the "PUMP FAKE" and move the pocket I thought Joe was like Aaron Rodgers quiet with a big arm! Smh Joe should have 3 rings! YUP

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If the knee didn't bother him (which I believe it did) that is even more telling about how poor his performance was.

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If nothing else, it took away from his ability to practice and train. Additionally, those wanting to 'can Suggs' need to understand that an Achilles injury is even worst.

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