2017 Senior Bowl

[Drew P]

27 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Speed doesn't make you a stud #1 WR and if any team is foolish enough to pass on Williams because of it they'll be sorry. Now I'm not saying he's a sure fire stud but if speed is the only thing you'd use as a basis to pass on him I think it'd be a huge mistake. Guys like AJ Green, Deandre Hopkins, Dez Bryant Josh Gordon and I can continue to name some other up and coming studs in the NFL, don't win on speed but you can't deny they are studs. Williams is a guy that can win on every level and will cause defenses to game plan to stop him, that's about all you can ask for from any WR. Guys like Juilo, Calvin and Fitz are rare.

Even if Kupp is viewed as a slot WR, which I think he can do well outside, the Ravens need WRs who can create separation quick and get RAC yards. Kupp would easily be the best route runner on the team, with a pair of consistent hands and probably the most polished WR the Ravens would have next season. It's not a matter of where guys line up, it's about how guys can produce for this offense. 

I personally wouldn't touch JuJu until the 3rd round. Not much about him really stands out to me personally. I'm sure a lot of people love him but he wouldn't be a target for me that high in the 2nd. 

If JuJu makes it to round 3 there should be some GM vacancies to fill in the NFL. The guy is a spitting image of Dez. As physical? No probably not but he can be Q 2.0. In Mike Williams I see Michael Floyd.

[ravensnation5220]

Dan feeney is practicing at center today. He looked comfortable taking on a big nose tackle in pass pro. As well as a quick guy in the middle. DJ and mayock like him there too. 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

If feeney can play center, take him at 16 lol. play no games with it, that dude would be possibly the biggest upgrade on this team unless Barnett, lattimore, hooker, or Williams are available as a guard, if he can become a legit center then he may bring a bigger impact than even some of those guys. 

In case you didn't notice, i like feeney a lot lol.

[ravensnation5220]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If feeney can play center, take him at 16 lol. play no games with it, that dude would be possibly the biggest upgrade on this team unless Barnett, lattimore, hooker, or Williams are available as a guard, if he can become a legit center then he may bring a bigger impact than even some of those guys. 

In case you didn't notice, i like feeney a lot lol.

I would trade down. Odds are he'll be there at 20, get more pick if you can

[JoeyFlex5]

24 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I would trade down. Odds are he'll be there at 20, get more pick if you can

I would too because there's also likely to be enough good players available to that point to guarantee you get a quality player with a trade back. 

Just highlighting how much of a feeney fan I am lol

[ravensnation5220]

16 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I would too because there's also likely to be enough good players available to that point to guarantee you get a quality player with a trade back. 

Just highlighting how much of a feeney fan I am lol

Ya I see that lol and see why. He's a great prospect and if he can play center that's added value. We get him and a corner in the second I'm happy lol

Decosta said at the senior bowl that oline and secondary are 2 areas he wants to focus on to add depth. He hopes the board can fall our way so we can grab a corner in the first 2 rounds, Pointed out white and King as 2 guys who could be there

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, Drew P said:

If JuJu makes it to round 3 there should be some GM vacancies to fill in the NFL. The guy is a spitting image of Dez. As physical? No probably not but he can be Q 2.0. In Mike Williams I see Michael Floyd.

There is no spitting images in the NFL and if you draft off of that than the vacancy will be in the job you just left. Again it's just my opinion as i'm sure many others love him. However I just don't think he runs routes well enough nor reads defenses well enough to get consistent separation against even above average DBs and as physical as he is, I just don't see him being able to consistently win vs upper level DBs. I certainly think he has a chance to be a solid NFL WR, but for what the Ravens need for this offense, I don't think he fits. 

I don't do player comp any more. I just think people get way to carried away with them. To use your example, Mike Williams is Michael Floyd and Smith is Boldin 2.0. That all sounds good but you can't measure what's inside of these players. By all accounts Michael Floyd was believed to be a stud coming out of ND and had a player comparisons to guys like Roddy White. But what does it all mean? Williams is going to get drafted have 2 successful years to start his career, regress midway through his 3rd season and get cut for off-field issues because he compares to Floyd? JuJu Smith will have 100+ catches in 2 of his first 3 seasons like Boldin? At the end of the day Mike Williams will be Mike Williams good or bad. He won't be the next anyone nor will anyone else. 

That's why a lot of these guys are at the Senior Bowl right now. A guy like Cooper Kupp has been labeled as a slot guy but at the Senior Bowl he's been almost  unstoppable on the outside vs some really good cover guys. Player comp puts guys into a box imo and it never really works out that way. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya I see that lol and see why. He's a great prospect and if he can play center that's added value. We get him and a corner in the second I'm happy lol

Decosta said at the senior bowl that oline and secondary are 2 areas he wants to focus on to add depth. He hopes the board can fall our way so we can grab a corner in the first 2 rounds, Pointed out white and King as 2 guys who could be there

What I really would love to see most(aside from an elite corner or edge rusher falling) is a trade back for a second, draft feeney in 1, and use our 2 seconds for Evan engram and either white, king, Lewis, or tankersley. Great offensive overhaul and another good cb to really round out the roster

[ravensnation5220]

19 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

What I really would love to see most(aside from an elite corner or edge rusher falling) is a trade back for a second, draft feeney in 1, and use our 2 seconds for Evan engram and either white, king, Lewis, or tankersley. Great offensive overhaul and another good cb to really round out the roster

Lol i know engram looks good but I wouldn't want him. We have invested so much at tight end already and have a lot of potential there. Id rather draft a player who can bring more versatility to the team. A guy like king or Obi who can play multiple positions and draft another corner on top of that to bring some flexibility and balance to our pass defense. versatility really is what I'm looking for but in terms of position I think Oline And secondary are where I want us to focus on early in the draft. Pass rush and wide receiver too but we do have young talent at outside backer and we will probably sign a receiver. 

[BmoreBird22]

7 hours ago, Drew P said:

Neither one works for the Ravens in round 1. Williams doesn't posses speed to make him a stud # 1 guy. 

I hear that Larry Fitzgerald guy ran a 4.7

[mc_red23]

Wasn't that impressed with the WR's today. So many drops that should have been catches.

Dalvin Tomlinson is a guy that stood out for me.

[hn68wb4]

 

[JoeyFlex5]

35 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Lol i know engram looks good but I wouldn't want him. We have invested so much at tight end already and have a lot of potential there. Id rather draft a player who can bring more versatility to the team. A guy like king or Obi who can play multiple positions and draft another corner on top of that to bring some flexibility and balance to our pass defense. versatility really is what I'm looking for but in terms of position I think Oline And secondary are where I want us to focus on early in the draft. Pass rush and wide receiver too but we do have young talent at outside backer and we will probably sign a receiver. 

I don't see engram as a TE though. He's really undersized for a TE at the next level but he fits the mold of a big bodied possession receiver and has the explosiveness and big play ability of a receiver as well. 

I think he would be a guy who fills the roles of both pitta and Aiken and does their jobs better because he just has so much more playmaking ability

[Boddiebroadus]

What round is reddick projected?

[ravensnation5220]

49 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I don't see engram as a TE though. He's really undersized for a TE at the next level but he fits the mold of a big bodied possession receiver and has the explosiveness and big play ability of a receiver as well. 

I think he would be a guy who fills the roles of both pitta and Aiken and does their jobs better because he just has so much more playmaking ability

He reminds me of Jordan reed. Size and skill set. Hes really an H-back and juice fills that roll nicely with pitta. If we cut outta then I'll take him but if not then I'd rather stand pay at tight end and take a guy like zay jones, kupp, or even switzer. 

[ravensnation5220]

11 minutes ago, Boddiebroadus said:

What round is reddick projected?

After the senior bowl raising his stock by showing off his versatility and you mix that with a good projected combine and pro day and I think he should be a first rounder. His coverage traits and pass rush will make him a commodity in today's pass attack nfl. He could play inside or outside(just not vs the run) in a 3-4. I think hes a first rounder if not early second round guy. 

[JO_75]

21 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Lol 23 is kinda old coming out of college. We're getting rookies at 20-21 years old. But ya I love kupp, i just hope he isn't doing too well for himself and getting out of our reach for the second round

Since when is 23 old? I get it, from a football perspective it does sound old but your talking about 7-10 years potentially that we could get out of him before he retires. 

[ravensnation5220]

20 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

Since when is 23 old? I get it, from a football perspective it does sound old but your talking about 7-10 years potentially that we could get out of him before he retires. 

I was just comparing it to underclassmen who come out. Max Williams was 20 when we took him. So he's only 22 after 2 years lol. He'll be a vet once Calvin Ridley comes out next year at 24 years old. 

[JoeyFlex5]

52 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

He reminds me of Jordan reed. Size and skill set. Hes really an H-back and juice fills that roll nicely with pitta. If we cut outta then I'll take him but if not then I'd rather stand pay at tight end and take a guy like zay jones, kupp, or even switzer. 

I think he's a good bit more explosive than reed. Jordan reed is a great TE but he doesn't have something that engram does, he's a threat to break a long one on any short catch, he's more a receiver in that aspect because he moves like one, and then he boxes out and high points the ball like you want from a TE. 

I think he's a dream fit for what we need, let him take pittas spot and I'd love to see how quick he makes joe forget about pitta

[Wildabeast88]

On January 25, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Ravensfan23 said:

Really impressed with Cooper Kupp so far. His on field performance was excellent getting in and out of his breaks so clean, while winning at every level all while looking so smooth and polished. 

However it was his interview that I was most impressed with. He seems to really love the hard work required to be great and has the mindset that he'll never be good enough so keep working hard. Both on and off the field he sounds like a great fit for the Ravens. 

Mike Mayock is all about some Kupp

[Wildabeast88]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I hear that Larry Fitzgerald guy ran a 4.7

Jerry Rice 4.6 I mean that guy wasn't any good speed isn't everything great routes and gaining separation with great hands make a WR.

[Ravensfan23]

2 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Mike Mayock is all about some Kupp

 

2 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Jerry Rice 4.6 I mean that guy wasn't any good speed isn't everything great routes and gaining separation with great hands make a WR.

This is why i'm all aboard the Kupp train. With where the Ravens are going with this offense, they need guys who can get in and out of their routes quickly and make plays in tight places.The speed doesn't really matter as much in the WCO, the Ravens said they want a guy who can move the chains as well as make plays deep and I definitely see that with Kupp. I'm right there with Mayock. The more and more I watch Kupp the more impressed with him I am. The only knock on him I have is his age, but I don't think that is as big of an issue because he's so polished. I think he comes in day one making plays for whatever team drafts him. 

[Italian Raven]

Man..Corey Clement is one great pass blocking RB

[KBoum]

With what we've seen so far from Kupp at the Senior Bowl... if he tests well at the combine he's a 1st rounder imo. I need more studying but looks real good out there.

[Drew P]

14 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I hear that Larry Fitzgerald guy ran a 4.7

Cool i heard that Perriman guy ran a 4.2

[BmoreBird22]

59 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Cool i heard that Perriman guy ran a 4.2

And now you should see the idiocy in your post.

[Ravensfan23]

3 hours ago, KBoum said:

With what we've seen so far from Kupp at the Senior Bowl... if he tests well at the combine he's a 1st rounder imo. I need more studying but looks real good out there.

I think the run and DBs and Pass rushers will push him and some other quality offensive players to the 2nd round. The thing we have to remember is that while he's beasting at the Senior Bowl, it's still a small sample size. He might be opening some eyes or reaffirming what others saw on tape against the top "seniors" but it's not necessarily the top talent available in the draft. I think Tre'Davious White is the only CB with a unanimous 1st round grade at the Senior Bowl.

I haven't really looked into the draft class yet, but it seems it's much more  defensive talent at the top of the draft and that will force the quality offensive guys into the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I think it's very possible that Mike Williams is the only WR taken in the first round and he'll probably drop just outside of the top 10. Surprisingly I see more RBs and TEs taken in the 1st round than WRs this year. But maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part that the Ravens can come away with a CB or Pass rusher in the 1st and a guy like Kupp in the 2nd. .

[trevorsteadman]

15 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think he's a good bit more explosive than reed. Jordan reed is a great TE but he doesn't have something that engram does, he's a threat to break a long one on any short catch, he's more a receiver in that aspect because he moves like one, and then he boxes out and high points the ball like you want from a TE. 

I think he's a dream fit for what we need, let him take pittas spot and I'd love to see how quick he makes joe forget about pitta

I don't follow college football so I only see based off of highlights on Youtube but how well does Engram block? Even in a receiving tight end role or possession wide receiver role they need to block and Pitta struggles with that. I am just curious how you viewed his blocking ability if he were to be drafted by the Ravens. While the team already have good blockers in Maxx Williams and Nick Boyle I am just wondering if Engram would be too good to take off the field. Great in pass game and blocking like Boldin and Steve Smith were here. I am tired of watching plays being blown up in the backfield because Pitta cannot block. I bet teams knew when the Ravens were passing just because of when Pitta was on and off the field.

Plus Engram after the catch is fantastic and that is what Pitta sucks at. Sure he finds soft spots in zones from time to time but the Ravens receivers are terrible at YAC and drops. 

[trevorsteadman]

48 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I think the run and DBs and Pass rushers will push him and some other quality offensive players to the 2nd round. The thing we have to remember is that while he's beasting at the Senior Bowl, it's still a small sample size. He might be opening some eyes or reaffirming what others saw on tape against the top "seniors" but it's not necessarily the top talent available in the draft. I think Tre'Davious White is the only CB with a unanimous 1st round grade at the Senior Bowl.

I haven't really looked into the draft class yet, but it seems it's much more  defensive talent at the top of the draft and that will force the quality offensive guys into the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I think it's very possible that Mike Williams is the only WR taken in the first round and he'll probably drop just outside of the top 10. Surprisingly I see more RBs and TEs taken in the 1st round than WRs this year. But maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part that the Ravens can come away with a CB or Pass rusher in the 1st and a guy like Kupp in the 2nd. .

If the Ravens somehow came away with a combination of like Charles Harris and Cooper Kupp I would be super excited.

[January J]

18 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

What I really would love to see most(aside from an elite corner or edge rusher falling) is a trade back for a second, draft feeney in 1, and use our 2 seconds for Evan engram and either white, king, Lewis, or tankersley. Great offensive overhaul and another good cb to really round out the roster

Bingo. And just listening to an interview with decosta my interpretation is that OL and corner are equally at the top of the totum pole. If Feeney can play center, AND we can trade back and get him while getting an extra 2nd ....wow I can't even finish my thought thinking about how great that could be. Imagine this:

1)Feeney

2)Cooper Kupp

2) Desmond king/ White