[News] Late For Work 1/18: Ravens Should Be Smiling Because Draft Talent Matches Their Biggest Needs

[hereweare]

1 minute ago, b93333 said:

Our big problem in the draft is recognizing and developing talent. Darian Stewart is yet another safety that has blossomed when he left the Ravens.

Darian Stewart was ranked #16 at safety by PFF in 2014. So he played very well in Baltimore and then "blossomed" when he went to a team with two pro bowl corners, T.J Ward beside him, and 2 pro bowl pass rushers. Not to take anything away from the man, but let's be real.. He was good in Baltimore and now is surrounded by the best supporting cast in the league.

[Azzi22]

  21 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

Our problem is letting our guys go(the ones we draft): Kruger...Upshaw--Torrey--McPhee--KO- we missed on ELAM/BROWN... maxx/carl davis aren't doing much...this year we will let wagner juice and bwill go... how do you expect us to be any good??? soo yea don't blame flacco..Our Coordinators or even our Running game....don't blame anyone but the FO/GM... they have no idea how to pick talent past couple of years.... they are good DEPTH FINDERS not elite talent finders.

Kruger-situational pass rusher only, nothing else

Upshaw- average ILB or system player

Torrey- would not fight even if someone steals his lunch money.

McPhee-another systematic guy and injury away from retirement.

KO- asking too much money and only teams that won't spend anything or cheap for past decade can afford it, so he asked for LT money to play for the LG...what a rip off.....

I don't see any problem you are listing but more like positive takeaways...

 

Kruger: do we have anyone else that can be a situational passrusher.. id take kruger over ZADARIUS OR JUDON OR MCCLELAN
Upshaw: best edge setter since JOHNSON.. why get rid of him
torrey: Since he left.. flacco has gone deep barely once a game... WE NEEDED HIM
McPhee: injuries this injuries that... he was starting to become what we needed then got rid of him... pathetic
KO: sometimes you just have to pay people... simple as that. we paid yanda how many times? why because hes the best we got.

[RowdyMan52]

  18 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

Our problem is letting our guys go(the ones we draft): Kruger...Upshaw--Torrey--McPhee--KO- we missed on ELAM/BROWN... maxx/carl davis aren't doing much...this year we will let wagner juice and bwill go... how do you expect us to be any good??? soo yea don't blame flacco..Our Coordinators or even our Running game....don't blame anyone but the FO/GM... they have no idea how to pick talent past couple of years.... they are good DEPTH FINDERS not elite talent finders.

Kruger-situational pass rusher only, nothing else

Upshaw- average ILB or system player

Torrey- would not fight even if someone steals his lunch money.

McPhee-another systematic guy and injury away from retirement.

KO- asking too much money and only teams that won't spend anything or cheap for past decade can afford it, so he asked for LT money to play for the LG...what a rip off.....

I don't see any problem you are listing but more like positive takeaways...

 

I agree with you except for KO, he is a very special player that can play tackle if they need him to like he did for us.. When it comes to Torrey am I the only one here that would love to see him back??

[krnraven]

The past few years our needs and the board lined up nicely and the FO still messed up. Hopefully they can get it right this year. That Correa pick then moving him to MLB kills me.

[OUravensfan]

I don't care who we draft as long as they play and they're good. I hate the draft, I get it I get it, believe me I get it, but god I hate the draft .

[n#7]

A legit D lineman pass rusher(not a hybrid) should be first and second priority! Your DB's are only as good as your pass rush! That last drive by the Steelers should have told it all(not to mention the last half of the season)

[verified]

We had plenty of chances to draft safety Landon collins whos turning out to be a good safety for the giants. Another miss by ozzie

[robbie29]

Don't care who we pick in the first round, as long as it's not a WR. Ever again.

[whobilly]

  2 hours ago, AsianRice said:

  3 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

Our problem is letting our guys go(the ones we draft): Kruger...Upshaw--Torrey--McPhee--KO- we missed on ELAM/BROWN... maxx/carl davis aren't doing much...this year we will let wagner juice and bwill go... how do you expect us to be any good??? soo yea don't blame flacco..Our Coordinators or even our Running game....don't blame anyone but the FO/GM... they have no idea how to pick talent past couple of years.... they are good DEPTH FINDERS not elite talent finders.

Kruger-situational pass rusher only, nothing else

Upshaw- average ILB or system player

Torrey- would not fight even if someone steals his lunch money.

McPhee-another systematic guy and injury away from retirement.

KO- asking too much money and only teams that won't spend anything or cheap for past decade can afford it, so he asked for LT money to play for the LG...what a rip off.....

I don't see any problem you are listing but more like positive takeaways...

 

I agree with you except for KO, he is a very special player that can play tackle if they need him to like he did for us.. When it comes to Torrey am I the only one here that would love to see him back??

Yes, I think you are part of the select few who wants Torrey Smith back. A very average receiver who got WAY overpaid by the Niners.

[whobilly]

  2 hours ago, AsianRice said:

  3 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

Our problem is letting our guys go(the ones we draft): Kruger...Upshaw--Torrey--McPhee--KO- we missed on ELAM/BROWN... maxx/carl davis aren't doing much...this year we will let wagner juice and bwill go... how do you expect us to be any good??? soo yea don't blame flacco..Our Coordinators or even our Running game....don't blame anyone but the FO/GM... they have no idea how to pick talent past couple of years.... they are good DEPTH FINDERS not elite talent finders.

Kruger-situational pass rusher only, nothing else

Upshaw- average ILB or system player

Torrey- would not fight even if someone steals his lunch money.

McPhee-another systematic guy and injury away from retirement.

KO- asking too much money and only teams that won't spend anything or cheap for past decade can afford it, so he asked for LT money to play for the LG...what a rip off.....

I don't see any problem you are listing but more like positive takeaways...

 

Kruger: do we have anyone else that can be a situational passrusher.. id take kruger over ZADARIUS OR JUDON OR MCCLELAN
Upshaw: best edge setter since JOHNSON.. why get rid of him
torrey: Since he left.. flacco has gone deep barely once a game... WE NEEDED HIM
McPhee: injuries this injuries that... he was starting to become what we needed then got rid of him... pathetic
KO: sometimes you just have to pay people... simple as that. we paid yanda how many times? why because hes the best we got.

The Ravens offered Torrey a contract. He took the Niners offer of MORE MONEY. Offered KO a contract, he took the Raiders offer of MORE MONEY. McPhee and Kruger wanted to test the FA Market to see how much MORE MONEY they could get. Do you see a trend here? You can't play a good player great player money. The Raiders had the money to offer KO simply because they have not had to address breaking the bank with Carr and the QB position.....for now.

[whobilly]

  3 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

Our problem is letting our guys go(the ones we draft): Kruger...Upshaw--Torrey--McPhee--KO- we missed on ELAM/BROWN... maxx/carl davis aren't doing much...this year we will let wagner juice and bwill go... how do you expect us to be any good??? soo yea don't blame flacco..Our Coordinators or even our Running game....don't blame anyone but the FO/GM... they have no idea how to pick talent past couple of years.... they are good DEPTH FINDERS not elite talent finders.

Kruger-situational pass rusher only, nothing else

Upshaw- average ILB or system player

Torrey- would not fight even if someone steals his lunch money.

McPhee-another systematic guy and injury away from retirement.

KO- asking too much money and only teams that won't spend anything or cheap for past decade can afford it, so he asked for LT money to play for the LG...what a rip off.....

I don't see any problem you are listing but more like positive takeaways...

 

With the exception of KO the rest are very average at best. They will simply go to the team that pays them the most. Don't blame them for it. That's life in the NFL.

[whobilly]

  7 hours ago, whobilly said:

Translated: Our #2 and #3 picks from last year CAN'T PLAY. "The Ravens head into the off season viewing Correa as a limited rusher and Kaufusi needing to build up his lower body". Hope these roster fillers drafted #2 and #3 can run down the field on special teams and make a tackle every now and then. Once again OZ outsmarted the other teams by passing on Spence and Jack.

people might take you seriously if you knew about our players. Kaufusi was IR'ed from an injury sustained at rookie camp. Doesn't mean he can or cant play... we have no info on it yet. And, btw, by trading back and missing Spence and Jack we got extra players in the 4th and 5th... one of which, Judon, performed just as well as Spence in a more limited role.

I know about our players. They should not have been drafted in the #2 and #3 spots.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

I just do not understand the move to bring in a 3rd back when we could not find play calls for the 2 we have. I guess it is another avenue for Harb's to throw blame down. After all, the long list of OC's have taken the blame in every other case.

[law215]

OZ is going to do what he always does. He'll bring in an over 30 WR and an over 30 CB. Then draft a CB or Wr in the middle round.

It difficult to get excited about listing top CB. This is the same guy that in the deepest class of WRs drafted Campanero in the 7th round.

[Chuckx999]

Ozzie will take his idea of the best player on the board, not a player he can plug right into the defence/offence. Then they just hang around for 2-3 years and fade away or if he does play well, he doesn't want to pay him and he leaves. What a waste.

[Ravens8383]

OZ is going to do what he always does. He'll bring in an over 30 WR and an over 30 CB. Then draft a CB or Wr in the middle round.

It difficult to get excited about listing top CB. This is the same guy that in the deepest class of WRs drafted Campanero in the 7th round.

Yea but it seems that when healthy Campanero is making at least one big play a game. Too bad he's only healthy 5 games a year.

[The Beak]

my way too early &7rd picks 1- Humphrey -CB 2- Mckinley - OLB 3- pocic - C 4- I Ford - WR 5- D Fields - olb 6 - D Pumphry- RB
7 - O Melifonwu - S

[OzzieBisciotti]

Oz has cornerback amnesia on draft days.... He'll most likely take another lineman or linebacker in the first couple of rounds as usual. hopefully, he doesn't pull another Elam

[OzzieBisciotti]

  8 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

  9 hours ago, AsianRice said:

  9 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

Our problem is letting our guys go(the ones we draft): Kruger...Upshaw--Torrey--McPhee--KO- we missed on ELAM/BROWN... maxx/carl davis aren't doing much...this year we will let wagner juice and bwill go... how do you expect us to be any good??? soo yea don't blame flacco..Our Coordinators or even our Running game....don't blame anyone but the FO/GM... they have no idea how to pick talent past couple of years.... they are good DEPTH FINDERS not elite talent finders.

Kruger-situational pass rusher only, nothing else

Upshaw- average ILB or system player

Torrey- would not fight even if someone steals his lunch money.

McPhee-another systematic guy and injury away from retirement.

KO- asking too much money and only teams that won't spend anything or cheap for past decade can afford it, so he asked for LT money to play for the LG...what a rip off.....

I don't see any problem you are listing but more like positive takeaways...

 

Kruger: do we have anyone else that can be a situational passrusher.. id take kruger over ZADARIUS OR JUDON OR MCCLELAN
Upshaw: best edge setter since JOHNSON.. why get rid of him
torrey: Since he left.. flacco has gone deep barely once a game... WE NEEDED HIM
McPhee: injuries this injuries that... he was starting to become what we needed then got rid of him... pathetic
KO: sometimes you just have to pay people... simple as that. we paid yanda how many times? why because hes the best we got.

The Ravens offered Torrey a contract. He took the Niners offer of MORE MONEY. Offered KO a contract, he took the Raiders offer of MORE MONEY. McPhee and Kruger wanted to test the FA Market to see how much MORE MONEY they could get. Do you see a trend here? You can't play a good player great player money. The Raiders had the money to offer KO simply because they have not had to address breaking the bank with Carr and the QB position.....for now.

Oz low balled KO- google it- KO was offended by it, and no way he was going to come play for the Ravens. Just like Oz tried to lowball Anquan on the last year of his contract, and see what happened after we lost Anquan- we only made it to the playoffs once since he and Torrey left. Bad Oz, bad Oz

[BigUgly]

This is a deep defensive draft, with many 1st-round grades for corners and edge rushers. That's why Ozzie could very well draft a receiver, believing that drafting counter to the trend results in a relatively higher value player at our draft position. Remember the 2014 draft, lauded as being the best offensive draft (especially for WRs) in a decade? That's when we nabbed Mosley. Not saying thats what he should do, but it is what he might do.

[Rav'n Maniac]

Can't wait for the free agent and draft periods to begin. I always look forward to it each year and follow it with great anticipation.

[sizzlingdoom]

Can't wait for the free agent and draft periods to begin. I always look forward to it each year and follow it with great anticipation.

same here.

[J.O.14]

  15 hours ago, whobilly said:

  18 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

  18 hours ago, AsianRice said:

  18 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

Our problem is letting our guys go(the ones we draft): Kruger...Upshaw--Torrey--McPhee--KO- we missed on ELAM/BROWN... maxx/carl davis aren't doing much...this year we will let wagner juice and bwill go... how do you expect us to be any good??? soo yea don't blame flacco..Our Coordinators or even our Running game....don't blame anyone but the FO/GM... they have no idea how to pick talent past couple of years.... they are good DEPTH FINDERS not elite talent finders.

Kruger-situational pass rusher only, nothing else

Upshaw- average ILB or system player

Torrey- would not fight even if someone steals his lunch money.

McPhee-another systematic guy and injury away from retirement.

KO- asking too much money and only teams that won't spend anything or cheap for past decade can afford it, so he asked for LT money to play for the LG...what a rip off.....

I don't see any problem you are listing but more like positive takeaways...

 

Kruger: do we have anyone else that can be a situational passrusher.. id take kruger over ZADARIUS OR JUDON OR MCCLELAN
Upshaw: best edge setter since JOHNSON.. why get rid of him
torrey: Since he left.. flacco has gone deep barely once a game... WE NEEDED HIM
McPhee: injuries this injuries that... he was starting to become what we needed then got rid of him... pathetic
KO: sometimes you just have to pay people... simple as that. we paid yanda how many times? why because hes the best we got.

The Ravens offered Torrey a contract. He took the Niners offer of MORE MONEY. Offered KO a contract, he took the Raiders offer of MORE MONEY. McPhee and Kruger wanted to test the FA Market to see how much MORE MONEY they could get. Do you see a trend here? You can't play a good player great player money. The Raiders had the money to offer KO simply because they have not had to address breaking the bank with Carr and the QB position.....for now.

Oz low balled KO- google it- KO was offended by it, and no way he was going to come play for the Ravens. Just like Oz tried to lowball Anquan on the last year of his contract, and see what happened after we lost Anquan- we only made it to the playoffs once since he and Torrey left. Bad Oz, bad Oz

We offered KO 8.5 million a year. That ranks in the top 5 for G's in the entire league, and I believe it would have been more than Yanda is making. The Raiders gave KO 11.5 million a year for a guard, that's crazy money that I am glad we didn't pay. He is a great player no doubt, but we would have hurt our team more by paying him that money than helping our team.

[eze17]

  17 hours ago, whobilly said:

  20 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

  20 hours ago, AsianRice said:

  21 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

Our problem is letting our guys go(the ones we draft): Kruger...Upshaw--Torrey--McPhee--KO- we missed on ELAM/BROWN... maxx/carl davis aren't doing much...this year we will let wagner juice and bwill go... how do you expect us to be any good??? soo yea don't blame flacco..Our Coordinators or even our Running game....don't blame anyone but the FO/GM... they have no idea how to pick talent past couple of years.... they are good DEPTH FINDERS not elite talent finders.

Kruger-situational pass rusher only, nothing else

Upshaw- average ILB or system player

Torrey- would not fight even if someone steals his lunch money.

McPhee-another systematic guy and injury away from retirement.

KO- asking too much money and only teams that won't spend anything or cheap for past decade can afford it, so he asked for LT money to play for the LG...what a rip off.....

I don't see any problem you are listing but more like positive takeaways...

 

Kruger: do we have anyone else that can be a situational passrusher.. id take kruger over ZADARIUS OR JUDON OR MCCLELAN
Upshaw: best edge setter since JOHNSON.. why get rid of him
torrey: Since he left.. flacco has gone deep barely once a game... WE NEEDED HIM
McPhee: injuries this injuries that... he was starting to become what we needed then got rid of him... pathetic
KO: sometimes you just have to pay people... simple as that. we paid yanda how many times? why because hes the best we got.

The Ravens offered Torrey a contract. He took the Niners offer of MORE MONEY. Offered KO a contract, he took the Raiders offer of MORE MONEY. McPhee and Kruger wanted to test the FA Market to see how much MORE MONEY they could get. Do you see a trend here? You can't play a good player great player money. The Raiders had the money to offer KO simply because they have not had to address breaking the bank with Carr and the QB position.....for now.

Oz low balled KO- google it- KO was offended by it, and no way he was going to come play for the Ravens. Just like Oz tried to lowball Anquan on the last year of his contract, and see what happened after we lost Anquan- we only made it to the playoffs once since he and Torrey left. Bad Oz, bad Oz

So because we've lost an aging possesion reciever and a questionable #2 WR who wanted #1 money, that's the reason we can't make the play-offs? Maybe we should give you a crack at GM...

And have googled KO...Ozzie offered him a little over market value, Raiders way over paid him. They'll be begging him to restructure his contract in the next year or so when Carr, Mack, ect. start coming into their pay-days...

[bigcatfrank1]

  On 1/18/2017 at 2:56 PM, Azzi22 said:

  On 1/18/2017 at 2:40 PM, AsianRice said:

  On 1/18/2017 at 2:31 PM, Azzi22 said:

Our problem is letting our guys go(the ones we draft): Kruger...Upshaw--Torrey--McPhee--KO- we missed on ELAM/BROWN... maxx/carl davis aren't doing much...this year we will let wagner juice and bwill go... how do you expect us to be any good??? soo yea don't blame flacco..Our Coordinators or even our Running game....don't blame anyone but the FO/GM... they have no idea how to pick talent past couple of years.... they are good DEPTH FINDERS not elite talent finders.

Kruger-situational pass rusher only, nothing else

Upshaw- average ILB or system player

Torrey- would not fight even if someone steals his lunch money.

McPhee-another systematic guy and injury away from retirement.

KO- asking too much money and only teams that won't spend anything or cheap for past decade can afford it, so he asked for LT money to play for the LG...what a rip off.....

I don't see any problem you are listing but more like positive takeaways...

 

Kruger: do we have anyone else that can be a situational passrusher.. id take kruger over ZADARIUS OR JUDON OR MCCLELAN
Upshaw: best edge setter since JOHNSON.. why get rid of him
torrey: Since he left.. flacco has gone deep barely once a game... WE NEEDED HIM
McPhee: injuries this injuries that... he was starting to become what we needed then got rid of him... pathetic
KO: sometimes you just have to pay people... simple as that. we paid yanda how many times? why because hes the best we got.

The Ravens offered Torrey a contract. He took the Niners offer of MORE MONEY. Offered KO a contract, he took the Raiders offer of MORE MONEY. McPhee and Kruger wanted to test the FA Market to see how much MORE MONEY they could get. Do you see a trend here? You can't play a good player great player money. The Raiders had the money to offer KO simply because they have not had to address breaking the bank with Carr and the QB position.....for now.

you are absolutely correct and look what happened they ended up going to building teams and by leaving the Ravens hurt the Ravens just enough to disrupt the flow of player development. Because as one player stays you can turn your focus to another direction. Thus getting help at a critical time and possibly picking up a timely selection or FA. So those decisions by the Player, and over payment by a competing team and really not the Ravens fault, ultimately cost both teams in the long run. Of course the Ravens have made out OK so far with replacements of all of them, as long as next year we see Perriman, Judon, ZaD, and Jernigan, Play lights out. The real positions the Ravens needed to turn on were CB, RB, LT G and S they got the LT and G, saftey looks better, still need help at RB, CB must get attention.

[bozo]

Peterson has to take a pay cut to stay with the Vikings, so should joe Flacco as skip bayless would say.

[#Nevermore]

  On ‎1‎/‎18‎/‎2017 at 0:40 PM, Space11jams said:

As someone else mentioned it is way to early to cast those two off. Especially since one of those guys didn't see a single snap because of injury. The two big names you speak off didn't do much this year and one of them is a HIGH injury concern. Ozzie was smart to pass on him and the Jags has the cap to draw a big name if necessary so it was a high risk high reward type deal with them. We don't have the time or money for that.

You have to question how in the hell a guy is considered an edge pass rusher through the draft process and then day one of camp is moved to the inside

When you figure that out, let me know. I have been asking myself that same question. Then he doesn't play well at the inside position and everyone calls him a bust. SMH.