Die Hard 2.0 mock

[RavensDieHard21]

As my last mock prior to the combine, I am remaining practical with selections even though I am figuring we will trade back in the first if not trade up in the second. 

Before our 16th pick I undoubtedly believe that Allen, Garrett, Barnett, M. Williams, Fournette, Cook, Thomas, Hooker, Adams are all gone. So here we go! 

With the 16th Picknin the 2016 NFL Draft, the Baltimore Ravens select:

 

Sidney Jones finally gives us another outside corner to compliment Jimmy Smith. He might be the most well rounded corner in the draft that has been consistent as well. Can mirror the receiver, high point the ball while In the air, turns his head to make plays, has ball skills, great tackler, and is Not afraid to play the run. 

With the 48th pick the Ravens select:

 

TJ Watt is starting to pick up steam, but I think Ozzie makes the move to get him in the second. The kid is barely scratching the surface of his potential and I like him long-term vs T. Williams or even Harris. He has a crazy motor and work ethic that works with his long frame to make plays. He plays strong and his frame could very easily add +20lbs and still be as explosive. He plays the run well too and I think he will be a home run pick. 

**Alternate trade up scenario below

With our first third round pick:

Kevin King, CB, UW. 

I know it seems cliché to take both corners from UW, but I think that King might be the best corner left at this point and perhaps the one of the best players left on the board after the first 2 rounds perhaps maybe Lewis from Michigan might be, but I like King's size to fill the roll. You can never have enough corners and we make this one of our strongest units after years of let downs. He is 6'3 and is a prototypical press corner that would give us a lot of depth for years. It also allows us to keep Young in the nickel even if Jimmy goes down. 

Round 3 Comp pick:

David Sharpe, T/G, Florida

Trying to be realistic here. I would love to get Dorian Johnson or Foresst Lamp from WM, but they might both be in the top 3 at the position. Sharpe might not have been a top 10 tackle in the nation, but could he do damage at guard? He is 6'6, 350, at this point we can see if he can mature into a pile mover for our run game. 

4th Round pick: 

Jay Guillermo, C, Clemson

We might even be able to get him in the 5th with how far under the radar he has been. Even after the championship game, I haven't seen him even in top 5-10 rankings, which is good for us. We want to get nasty up front and he allows us to do that. He is a technician yet has a mean streak to hold his own with top-tier talent as seen in the Ohio and Alabama games. He can anchor the line in pass protection and can be a force at the point of attack, he will be one of the steals of the draft. 

** In the second round I believe we could package our third round picks to move back back into the second round if a particular player was still lingering in the middle of the round that we really wanted. 

In this scenario I have us taking Desmond King. Some have him as a top 5 corner, while other don't even have him in their top 50 prospects list. I don't think he will have a great 40, perhaps in the 4.6 range. I don't think his measurements will blow anyone away either, so many might pass him by for other CBs. I think we see a ton of value if he is hanging around pick 50 and we take him. He could become a premier corner still or better yet, our future FS. He has great instincts, ball skills, works well in zone coverage and plays the run with an edge. Either way we turn can off our TVs happier than can be on day 2.😈

 

 

 

Edited January 18 by RavensDieHard21

[ravensnation5220]

It's funny. With how deep this class is I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if we go corner rounds 1 and 2. Solidify the group for years to come, ozzie always says you can never have too many corners. I love that combo of Jones and king. Eventually king could move to safety. 

I know this is going away from an argument I made earlier but I was more talking about how the qbs are making throws that no one can defend

[RavensDieHard21]

11 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

It's funny. With how deep this class is I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if we go corner rounds 1 and 2. Solidify the group for years to come, ozzie always says you can never have too many corners. I love that combo of Jones and king. Eventually king could move to safety. 

I know this is going away from an argument I made earlier but I was more talking about how the qbs are making throws that no one can defend

Ya everyone knows our weaknesses. The main ones for many years was a slack of corners. Surprising in our crap 13' season we had a nice group with Webb, Smith, and Graham, but ever since we have gotten toasted in close games. Raiders, Giants, Patriots and even Pitt. 

Jones and King to go with J. Smith, Young, Weddle and Webb and we immediately have one of the deepest secondaries. 

[ravensnation5220]

9 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Ya everyone knows our weaknesses. The main ones for many years was a slack of corners. Surprising in our crap 13' season we had a nice group with Webb, Smith, and Graham, but ever since we have gotten toasted in close games. Raiders, Giants, Patriots and even Pitt. 

Jones and King to go with J. Smith, Young, Weddle and Webb and we immediately have one of the deepest secondaries. 

Well....hypothetically of course. They all still have to play. And life for a rookie corner can be tough. 

[RavensDieHard21]

1 minute ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Well....hypothetically of course. They all still have to play. And life for a rookie corner can be tough. 

Ya it can be but Ramsey and Hargreaves both played well for rookies, so they are examples that top corner talent can make the jump. Obviously it's all based on individual efforts but I like their skill sets. 

[mazlak315]

im all for secondary in the first round, but with how old our pass rush is outside of judon and smith who still have a lot to prove...no way we go cb first and second round. I definitely think itll be an edge player in the second. with that said i do really like watt for what he did this year and the bloodlines of course. I also think its very likely anderson falls into the mid 2nd 

[RavensDieHard21]

27 minutes ago, mazlak315 said:

im all for secondary in the first round, but with how old our pass rush is outside of judon and smith who still have a lot to prove...no way we go cb first and second round. I definitely think itll be an edge player in the second. with that said i do really like watt for what he did this year and the bloodlines of course. I also think its very likely anderson falls into the mid 2nd 

Ya watt is just tapping into his potential. He has the intangibles now he need to practice his craft and add weight to his frame. 

I like Anderson but I think he goes very early second after the way he played in the title game. I wouldn't mind him but I think Watt has a far higher ceiling. 

[VermontRaven]

9 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

* In the second round I believe we could package our third round picks to move back back into the second round if a particular player was still lingering in the middle of the round that we really wanted. 

In this scenario I have us taking Desmond King. Some have him as a top 5 corner, while other don't even have him in their top 50 prospects list. I don't think he will have a great 40, perhaps in the 4.6 range. I don't think his measurements will blow anyone away either, so many might pass him by for other CBs. I think we see a ton of value if he is hanging around pick 50 and we take him. He could become a premier corner still or better yet, our future FS. He has great instincts, ball skills, works well in zone coverage and plays the run with an edge. Either way we turn can off our TVs happier than can be on day 2.😈

I would love this scenario!  First, I will say I am completely biased on King because I am a HUGE Iowa Hawkeyes fan! (I grew up in Iowa)  I agree that he does not have the best measurements, but he is a PLAYMAKER.  I would love it if he slipped down the board and we were able to get him late second round.  I probably am in the minority here, but I would be stoked if we got a premier corner in the 1st (Jones, Wilson, Lattimore, etc.--I haven't done enough research to know who I would like there), then King was still around in the 2nd (either at our 2nd or trading back into later in the second round).  What a boost for our secondary that would be.  I know our pass rush struggled, but bottom line, our defense was pretty darn good when we had Jimmy and Tavon.  Imagine Jimmy, (Jones/Wilson/Lattimore) on the outside, with Tavon Young in the slot, add in King for depth at CB/FS.  We keep saying you can never have enough secondary players and I think this draft may be our chance to put our money where our mouth is and go and get a couple quality secondary players!

Edited January 18 by VermontRaven
typo

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, VermontRaven said:

I would love this scenario!  First, I will say I am completely biased on King because I am a HUGE Iowa Hawkeyes fan! (I grew up in Iowa)  I agree that he does not have the best measurements, but he is a PLAYMAKER.  I would love it if he slipped down the board and we were able to get him late second round.  I probably am in the minority here, but I would be stoked if we got a premier corner in the 1st (Jones, Wilson, Lattimore, etc.--I haven't done enough research to know who I would like there), then King was still around in the 2nd (either at our 2nd or trading back into later in the second round).  What a boost for our secondary that would be.  I know our pass rush struggled, but bottom line, our defense was pretty darn good when we had Jimmy and Tavon.  Imagine Jimmy, (Jones/Wilson/Lattimore) on the outside, with Tavon Young in the slot, add in King for depth at CB/FS.  We keep saying you can never have enough secondary players and I think this draft may be our chance to put our money where our mouth is and go and get a couple quality secondary players!

I agree 100%! King is a play maker and that can easily translate to being a good corner, but I see him eventually being an even better FS because he would be able to use his instincts best there. 

I know we want to solve every problem in each round of the draft, but it rarely works well that way. Just look at 13' when we tried to immediately fill Lewis and Reed's spots on defense. 

There is a lot of depth at corner and pass rusher in this draft, but many of the rushers are best suited in 4-3 schemes with their hands in the dirt--Walker, Smoot, McKinley, Barnett, plus I think the overall talent of the corner class still blows away any other position. If we land a corner like Sid Jones or Marshon Lattimore and then add King into the mix, woo! That is a lot of talent being added to a group we haven't had the best of luck with in years. Even when we had Reed, McAllister, and even Webb in their primes, we have always lacked overall depth at corner, as well as suiting up two really good corners.

pass rush can take over games at times, but when you face a smart coach like BB and Brady, they can just start to dink and dunk, then it just comes down to receivers v defenders. A talented secondary can then help the rush get there. 

Edited January 18 by RavensDieHard21

[Drew P]

11 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

As my last mock prior to the combine, I am remaining practical with selections even though I am figuring we will trade back in the first if not trade up in the second. 

Before our 16th pick I undoubtedly believe that Allen, Garrett, Barnett, M. Williams, Fournette, Cook, Thomas, Hooker, Adams are all gone. So here we go! 

With the 16th Picknin the 2016 NFL Draft, the Baltimore Ravens select:

 

Sidney Jones finally gives us another outside corner to compliment Jimmy Smith. He might be the most well rounded corner in the draft that has been consistent as well. Can mirror the receiver, high point the ball while In the air, turns his head to make plays, has ball skills, great tackler, and is Not afraid to play the run. 

With the 48th pick the Ravens select:

 

This wouldn't offend me.

I do think they need some WR's from this draft and we know Oz stinks in this department. Godwin is a nice option that will probably be around for one of their third round picks...just saying at least he can catch lol

 

 

 

[RavensDieHard21]

God knows we need receivers, but with the talent that the defensive players have, I wouldn't want Ozzie to whiff and we miss out lol. Hopefully we sign another bet and take a mid round guy like Cooper Kupp, or Samuel. 

[usmccharles]

Id be happy with this.  CB or pass rush in the first and im happy.  I wonder if a team will reach on Watt just because they look at his older brother. 

[RavensDieHard21]

14 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Id be happy with this.  CB or pass rush in the first and im happy.  I wonder if a team will reach on Watt just because they look at his older brother. 

That is hard to tell. I have seen him rise up rankings, but nothing too serious. Their other brother Derek Watt was drafted as a FB so that wasn't exactly a glorious position to gauge whether the family name gives him a boost. But I think he is a solid second round guy that gives a lot of hope for development. If some team leaps us to take him if be ticked. 

[usmccharles]

15 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

That is hard to tell. I have seen him rise up rankings, but nothing too serious. Their other brother Derek Watt was drafted as a FB so that wasn't exactly a glorious position to gauge whether the family name gives him a boost. But I think he is a solid second round guy that gives a lot of hope for development. If some team leaps us to take him if be ticked. 

Agreed, and obviously he will be with his brother quite often, im sure he would get some points here and there.  On a sidenote, I think we have seen the best of JJ Watt

[RavensDieHard21]

6 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Agreed, and obviously he will be with his brother quite often, im sure he would get some points here and there.  On a sidenote, I think we have seen the best of JJ Watt

Harris v Watt, who you got? 

[mazlak315]

depends on what point in the draft you can get either player. if both were there in the mid 2nd, id take Harris, but doubtful he makes it out of the first based on the info currently out there

[RavensDieHard21]

10 minutes ago, mazlak315 said:

depends on what point in the draft you can get either player. if both were there in the mid 2nd, id take Harris, but doubtful he makes it out of the first based on the info currently out there

Everyone keeps saying first, but the more I watch him, I'm not sure he will. He is lazy in his run duties, his bend is decent, but his first step and spin move are elite. So tough. I fed think Tim Williams is going to tumble into the second though. 

[mazlak315]

i had him late first a couple weeks ago in my head but ive actually moved him up to mid 1st. i just think he'll be too effective as a rusher to ignore and has the skills to perform against the run once suggs starts gettin on him haha 

as for williams i still have him higher than harris currently, but i havent gone back for a closer look in a few weeks...why do you see him slipping to the second?

[RavensDieHard21]

7 minutes ago, mazlak315 said:

i had him late first a couple weeks ago in my head but ive actually moved him up to mid 1st. i just think he'll be too effective as a rusher to ignore and has the skills to perform against the run once suggs starts gettin on him haha 

as for williams i still have him higher than harris currently, but i havent gone back for a closer look in a few weeks...why do you see him slipping to the second?

Character issues with the gun charge. Also he had a lack luster championship game along with being an ineffective run stopper most of the time.

[mazlak315]

yeah i get the gun charge, but hes still better against the run than anderson and even some of the other edge prospects

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, mazlak315 said:

yeah i get the gun charge, but hes still better against the run than anderson and even some of the other edge prospects

Are you talking about Williams? Cause he's no where near better vs the run than Anderson 

[mazlak315]

i dont know about "no where near better" - each our own opinion. 

i feel like pff did a comparison on them at some point too where williams graded better if not for fewer snaps against the run than anderson

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Everyone keeps saying first, but the more I watch him, I'm not sure he will. He is lazy in his run duties, his bend is decent, but his first step and spin move are elite. So tough. I fed think Tim Williams is going to tumble into the second though. 

Harris has a real shot to be the 3rd rusher taken. Of all the rushers after Garrett and Barnett he is the most explosive guy by far(not counting Williams who I'm thinking slides due to multiple character reports). He might be the most explosive off the line in the whole class, and he's got good functional strength so he could blow away strength testing and explosion drills. 

Honestlyas hyped as Shane ray was coming out I think Harris is better, he is a lot more physical, refined, and works the inside better, and if not for he possession ray probably would've went top 16. 

I think our only chance of landing Harris is at 16

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, mazlak315 said:

i dont know about "no where near better" - each our own opinion. 

i feel like pff did a comparison on them at some point too where williams graded better if not for fewer snaps against the run than anderson

Williams also had far less snaps against the run. Williams is underrated as a run defender but he isn't holding andersons jock in that department, pff ratings aren't the final judge.

[usmccharles]

3 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Harris v Watt, who you got? 

Harris from what i know, but im no scout and not into watching film like some on here.  Just go off what i read and see from some youtube videos

Can someone explain to me why when Michael Sam came out (in the draft) he was taken so late and had some defensive award for the SEC or something but yet Harris is comin out of the same scheme and a top 20 prospect.  Obviously Harris is better, i guess im just wondering about is it the scheme that Sam looked so good in?

[mazlak315]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Harris from what i know, but im no scout and not into watching film like some on here.  Just go off what i read and see from some youtube videos

Can someone explain to me why when Michael Sam came out (in the draft) he was taken so late and had some defensive award for the SEC or something but yet Harris is comin out of the same scheme and a top 20 prospect.  Obviously Harris is better, i guess im just wondering about is it the scheme that Sam looked so good in?

from what i remember he had a bad combine and considered too small to play end and too slow to play outside

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Harris has a real shot to be the 3rd rusher taken. Of all the rushers after Garrett and Barnett he is the most explosive guy by far(not counting Williams who I'm thinking slides due to multiple character reports). He might be the most explosive off the line in the whole class, and he's got good functional strength so he could blow away strength testing and explosion drills. 

Honestlyas hyped as Shane ray was coming out I think Harris is better, he is a lot more physical, refined, and works the inside better, and if not for he possession ray probably would've went top 16. 

I think our only chance of landing Harris is at 16

Don't get me wrong number i wouldn't be mad with the pick at all. He does show a lot of strength. Pass rushing abilities alone I think he is worthy of a first round grade and has a lot of upside, but I'm not sure if he goes that high. We will see. 

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, mazlak315 said:

i dont know about "no where near better" - each our own opinion. 

i feel like pff did a comparison on them at some point too where williams graded better if not for fewer snaps against the run than anderson

There's 2 reasons he played less snaps: the first is because he was a weaker run defender and the second is that his energy was being saved for pass rushing downs - 

[January J]

I'd be thrilled with Sidney Jones and tj watt in 1 & 2. 

Grab a center and maybe a falling WR and I'd see that as a success.

We need to be aggressive this time. I know we like quantity but if we have somebody we really covet who slips down we need to trade up and go after him. Having depth is great but this time around Playmakers are essential.

[RavensDieHard21]

14 hours ago, January J said:

I'd be thrilled with Sidney Jones and tj watt in 1 & 2. 

Grab a center and maybe a falling WR and I'd see that as a success.

We need to be aggressive this time. I know we like quantity but if we have somebody we really covet who slips down we need to trade up and go after him. Having depth is great but this time around Playmakers are essential.

I agree 100%! We could really transform this team with our first three picks if we nail them. I think Jones and Watt are both realistic picks that will be there too.

Many have Lattimore and Wilson ahead of Jones so I think he is definitely there. Watt is raw yet you can see the potential. 

I really hope we get aggressive if any opportunities present themselves. Even if Barnett slips past Cincy or M. Williams gets to pick 14 and we need to hop philly.