[News] Late For Work 1/17: One Ravens Coach Pushed To Draft Tom Brady In Third Round

[FloridalovesRavens]

Just imagine having a good QB with the decade of defensive dominance? 

Ya it's a fantasy, but realistically if we have a QB who elevates the play of his peers from the 00' season-08' alone, I think we win it all at least 2 extra times. Brady would legit have probably at least 5 rings. 00', 01', 06', 08', 10',11', probably 12'. We had such great defenses and our offense just habitually let us down. 

Just remember who the cheater is. Be careful what you wish for. Flacco is a good QB. We are lucky to have him. Playoffs many times since he came into the league and a SB to boot.

[Ravens_Flock]

In all fairness, Chris Redman was actually a very solid QB, who were it not for injury issues, might've made a good starter in the league. He certainly played pretty well for us, and continued to play well when he came out of retirement to play for the Falcons years ago.

And to be equally fair, nobody knew that the king of arrogance and cheatness, would amount to what he has. That's why he dropped to the 6th round.

[metalraven]

Dennis deserves the comeback award. Bell shouldn't have been considered. Why award someone who was suspended four games for something they did wrong?

Exactly. "Hey. Congratulations for coming back from your coke binge. Here's comeback player of the year!"

[metalraven]

lets be honest. if brady was drafted here he would of sucked.

I agree. Brady perfectly fits the system he's in. I really don't think he'd be as good under a different system

[Bohica5]

I say maybe hire Cavenaugh as a "Draft swami" this year jus to see wut he has to say...We need a qb real quick like...........

[Shaky End of the Quarter]

Forget about having Brady, we could have had Bellichek. Bellichek is the true mastermind. Even when Brady went down Pats finished 11-5 and went 3-1 to start this season without Brady. Pats have always needed a top 10 Def to win SB Championships. Brady is good but bellichek is way better.

[bioLarzen]

Forget about having Brady, we could have had Bellichek. Bellichek is the true mastermind. Even when Brady went down Pats finished 11-5 and went 3-1 to start this season without Brady. Pats have always needed a top 10 Def to win SB Championships. Brady is good but bellichek is way better.

Well, to be true, Belichick was a lot like Brady: back then it wasn't at all obvious that he would become what he eventually has. Back then Belichick was nothing more than a promising coach.

[bioLarzen]

17 hours ago, MadStorkSociety said:

If he is approaching free agency, how would a trade work? Could he refuse the trade to hit FA instead? Just asking, cause I don't know.

Yep, a trade was exactly what I was thinking about, too. And as far as I know, he couldn't really refuse a trade.

[bioLarzen]

14 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Just imagine having a good QB with the decade of defensive dominance? 

Ya it's a fantasy, but realistically if we have a QB who elevates the play of his peers from the 00' season-08' alone, I think we win it all at least 2 extra times. Brady would legit have probably at least 5 rings. 00', 01', 06', 08', 10',11', probably 12'. We had such great defenses and our offense just habitually let us down. 

We simply didn't need a good QB. One would have taken up an unnecessarily big portion of the cap. The roster was consciously made the way it was: a D that would dominate and an O just good enough not to lose the games the D was winning. McNair was just about the perfect level of QB it needed: one that doesn't habitually gives away the ball, can make big throws if need be, and can extend games and move the chains on occasion with his feet. That O didn't need a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning...

[Rav'n Maniac]

Congrats to Tucker, Stanley and Pitta. More accolades to put in the trophy case.

Best wishes for Kristen. Fight the good fight!

[Chuckx999]

OK, we could have had Brady? Just another Ozzie mistake.

[RavenManiac#7]

  19 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Just imagine having a good QB with the decade of defensive dominance? 

Ya it's a fantasy, but realistically if we have a QB who elevates the play of his peers from the 00' season-08' alone, I think we win it all at least 2 extra times. Brady would legit have probably at least 5 rings. 00', 01', 06', 08', 10',11', probably 12'. We had such great defenses and our offense just habitually let us down. 

We simply didn't need a good QB. One would have taken up an unnecessarily big portion of the cap. The roster was consciously made the way it was: a D that would dominate and an O just good enough not to lose the games the D was winning. McNair was just about the perfect level of QB it needed: one that doesn't habitually gives away the ball, can make big throws if need be, and can extend games and move the chains on occasion with his feet. That O didn't need a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning...

Not very often, in fact it's rare, that I disagree with you bio but, on this one, I Totally do. With Brady's amazing ability to elevate his teammates' level of play, I think he would have done wonders with our, or Any, offense. And, for him to be on a team with defenses like we historically had, there's no limit to what the Ravens would have achieved. Of course, as much as I admire Brady's abilities, I must confess, I would have absolutely Hated his cry baby antics. Nevertheless, the thought of the many Super Bowls I believe we would have won had he been our QB all these years is very nice to think about. Sure wish Cavanaugh would have been much more forceful. And all this, despite me Still thinking that Trent Dilfer got one of the rawest deals ever. He remains the Only Super Bowl winning QB to lose his job and, actually, his contract with the team. Talk about no gratitude! And for Elvis Grbac!!! Whew! Differ knew his job and was good at it. He played within himself and gave his team a chance to win pretty much every game.

[RavenManiac#7]

  9 hours ago, Shaky End of the Quarter said:

Forget about having Brady, we could have had Bellichek. Bellichek is the true mastermind. Even when Brady went down Pats finished 11-5 and went 3-1 to start this season without Brady. Pats have always needed a top 10 Def to win SB Championships. Brady is good but bellichek is way better.

Well, to be true, Belichick was a lot like Brady: back then it wasn't at all obvious that he would become what he eventually has. Back then Belichick was nothing more than a promising coach.

Very true. But he Did go on to become the best coach in the NFL. My problem with him is, as good of a coach as he is, he just didn't have to become a cheater as well. Caught not once, but twice. Taping opponents' practices, and then "inflate gate". Fined twice. Why?!? As great of a coach as he is, he doesn't need to resort to cheating. To me, he's earned more than the honor of being recognized as the best coach. He's earned a well deserved "nickname", Bill Belicheater, coach of the New England Cheatriots. Such a shame!

[RavenManiac#7]

  23 hours ago, The Greek said:

lets be honest. if brady was drafted here he would of sucked.

I agree. Brady perfectly fits the system he's in. I really don't think he'd be as good under a different system

All speculation. With his obvious abilities, who knows whether or not our coaches would have developed a similar system in order to maximize his talents. This kind of stuff might be fun to think about but nobody can ever know how things would have played out. Think about it. How many times have we read on here our fans' thoughts that Belicheater coaches his teams to utilize his players' abilities, while Harbs seems to try to make our players conform to his own system. Well, like I said, perhaps at the time our HC wouldn't have done that. That's why it's ALL speculation.

[RavensFanThick&Thin]

Some have alluded to this but I think one obvious flaw in the Tom Brady "what if" is the Belichick factor. They missed Brady for 4 games this year and still got the #1 seed. They went 11-5 (Matt Cassell year) when Brady went down for a whole year. IMO, there's no way Brady would have as many rings without out him or just by being on the Ravens from 01-present. I just feel like no matter how we want to hate the Pats (cheating or not), Brady and Belichick were insanely good TOGETHER and Belichick maybe a bigger part of that than a Tom Brady "what if" scenario can give credit to. I get the "cheating" thing but can you put an asterisk next to 16 years of greatness? This is arbitrary of course.

With that being said I still can't stand them and hate that It will be either them or the Steelers in the Super Bowl. lol.

[RavenManiac#7]

Flacco is LAZY and dumb as a brick at reading and adapting to defenses, and he was a 1st round pick right ?

To quote former President Ronald Reagan from a press conference when being heckled, "Aww, shut up". LOL! Just kidding, of course. Hope you realize that. We all have Every right to express our opinion on here. In fact, that's what this is for. Nevertheless, I Strongly disagree with the charge that Flacco is lazy. He worked VERY hard to rehab his knee. I do tend to agree that reading defenses is not one of his strong points. And, finally, yep, he was a 1st rd choice. And, for what it's worth, I really do think that Joe receives Far too much criticism on here. There are a LOT of teams that would Love to have him as their starting QB. Just look at the list of our past QBs. How many, and who, do you think has been better?

[RavenManiac#7]

  22 hours ago, MadStorkSociety said:

  23 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

According to "reports" the Eagles are considering cutting ties with C Jason Kelce...

If it's true, I can definitely see a trade potential there. Kelce would be an obvious upgrade over Zuttah (sorry, Jeremy...), and a trade would keep Kelce off the FA market where he would probably be offered more than what we could afford...

If he is approaching free agency, how would a trade work? Could he refuse the trade to hit FA instead? Just asking, cause I don't know.

he's under contract with the Eagles through 2020, and so he could be traded.

jacket, I've always respected your opinions. So, if you don't mind telling me, do you think that he is an appreciable upgrade over Zuttah? A comment on here claims that he had more accepted penalties last year than Zuttah. I was surprised to read that. Don't know if it's accurate. I would have certainly thought that Zuttah committed more than the 8 accepted penalties the poster stated. Perhaps, though, that was because several of them were at incredibly bad times during the games. I admit that I am one fan who believes that we do need to upgrade at the center position.

[The Greek]

4 hours ago, RavenManiac#7 said:

All speculation. With his obvious abilities, who knows whether or not our coaches would have developed a similar system in order to maximize his talents. This kind of stuff might be fun to think about but nobody can ever know how things would have played out. Think about it. How many times have we read on here our fans' thoughts that Belicheater coaches his teams to utilize his players' abilities, while Harbs seems to try to make our players conform to his own system. Well, like I said, perhaps at the time our HC wouldn't have done that. That's why it's ALL speculation.

billick could never get the passing game going in his 9 years here.

[metalraven]

7 hours ago, RavenManiac#7 said:

All speculation. With his obvious abilities, who knows whether or not our coaches would have developed a similar system in order to maximize his talents. This kind of stuff might be fun to think about but nobody can ever know how things would have played out. Think about it. How many times have we read on here our fans' thoughts that Belicheater coaches his teams to utilize his players' abilities, while Harbs seems to try to make our players conform to his own system. Well, like I said, perhaps at the time our HC wouldn't have done that. That's why it's ALL speculation.

Maybe I should have prefaced that statement with "In my opinion." Nothing I said was absolute. Just what I think, is all.

Edited January 18 by metalraven

[verified]

Another miss by the great ozzie newsome, And we are still paying for it smh

[Crusader]

Flacco is LAZY and dumb as a brick at reading and adapting to defenses, and he was a 1st round pick right ?

Yea and he is laughing all the way to the bank.

[#Nevermore]

I'm sure that has happened all over the league. Scouts and coaches on staffs who think that a player who turns out to be a superstar or HOFer will be and the team goes in a different direction. Let's just hope it doesn't happen too much with this club.