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You want him to play like Big Ben or Br*dy? They both have sucked so far.

You can't be for real!

Do you know who the QB are going to be in the AFC championship game are going to be? They only have 6 Super Bowls wins between them.

Wake up!! Flacco is the one that sucks. All Ravens SB have been won by defence.

So the Ravens won the 2012 SB by defense?

You mean the defense that was 17th in YPG allowed in the regular season, 20th in rushing YPG allowed, and 12th in PPG allowed, giving up 21 points a game? That defense?

The one that gave up 35 points to Denver in the playoffs and 31 in the SB alone? The defense that gave up 468 yards and 182 yards rushing in the SB alone?

That defense?

Boy you better wake up and wake up fast. The 2012 Ravens defense was average, bordering on bad for large parts of the season.

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  1 hour ago, bozo said:
  2 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Too many glaring holes to add a Qb in the draft, we must look through free agency.

have to agree flacco is not a top qb. he only average and should be paid as average. wake up, if hes dissatisfied let him test free agency he'll never get close to what hes getting, hes is only one dementional longball and that's not accurate.

LOL, Brock Osweiler is getting $18M in FA and Kirk Cousins is probably about to make as much or more than Flacco.

If Joe were a FA today, he would get more than what the Ravens are paying him.

EVERY QB we played against this year looked better than joe, EVEN THE ROOKIES. Adapting to defenses and calling audibles, smarter decisions, better time/game management, they were ALL better than our guy

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  12 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

timin is everything and we can't wait another year. we can have 5 high slot number one draft picks in three years by tradin flacco this year. teams will give us two number ones for him. clevland

a team does have to have two high quality qbs as newsom says but a team also needs a high quality draft man doin his job

We will owe Flacco $47 mil next year (dead money) if we trade him or if we let him go and he decides to sit at home and watch the Ravens on TV. "Guaranteed" money is guaranteed. Even if a player retires they are entitled to any money they were "guaranteed" in their contract.

Hell, we let Eugene Monroe go in June of 2016 and next year we will still owe him $4.4 million against the salary cap.

I will happily stand corrected if wrong; however, that is what I understand of the cap structure and the concept of dead money. If a player is guaranteed a set amount of money over the life of the contract, the guaranteed money (and only the guaranteed money) is payable when the contract is terminated. Flacco is guaranteed to receive $47 mil over the next 4 years...this is independent of his yearly salary.

From a salary cap perspective, yes, those amounts count against the salary cap for the team.

But the player doesn't actually get "paid out" those amounts. The salary cap amount and the amount the player gets paid are two different things.

For example, Joe's cap hit was $22.55M last season, yet we actually paid him $29M ($25M bonus and $4M salary).

In 2017, regardless of whether he is on the roster or not, we will pay him $15M. If he's on the team, he will make $21M.

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  1 hour ago, bozo said:
  2 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Too many glaring holes to add a Qb in the draft, we must look through free agency.

have to agree flacco is not a top qb. he only average and should be paid as average. wake up, if hes dissatisfied let him test free agency he'll never get close to what hes getting, hes is only one dementional longball and that's not accurate.

LOL, Brock Osweiler is getting $18M in FA and Kirk Cousins is probably about to make as much or more than Flacco.

If Joe were a FA today, he would get more than what the Ravens are paying him.

osweiler made throws against NE that were perfectly placed in the wr hands and the dropped em, one woulda been a TD. He also looked like he made better decisions than flacco and has a higher football IQ. And he doesnt have ten years experience

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  12 hours ago, purpledown said:

the Ravens might not be as sold on Flacco as people think

Well this upcoming year is when we find out. He has been called out by both the owner and the head coach. If he struggles a change could be made.

Nope, he's locked onto the roster through 2018. Performance won't have any impact on that.

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Now they want to get a QB, thank god!!! We sure need one with good old "got my money in the bank" Flacco missing receivers so much. Trade him and lets start over. Just think of the players they could bring in with his salary gone. Add 1-3 good draft choices and even at 8 & 8 again in 2017 we can only get younger, faster and better.

Actually, trading him is more expensive from a cap perspective than keeping him.

His 2017 salary cap hit is $24.55M. If you traded him away, his cap hit would skyrocket to $47.3M. So trading him away in 2017 actually costs the Ravens about $23M more in cap space.

So not only wouldn't you be able to afford literally anybody in FA, you'd have to cut a bunch of your own players that you'd like to keep just to afford to be able to trade him. AND you wouldn't be able to resign a lot of the guys you want to.

All of this is moot, of course, because Joe is the starter on this team for at least 2 more years.

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  14 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:
  15 hours ago, outkast1 said:
  18 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

Keep Mallet if you can or get another veteran and get a youngster in the draft with legs and size! I'm preparing myself for more bad play because Joe just doesn't show or have any motivation what so ever like I see out of QBs in the playoffs! Smh still cannot believe we're not in the playoffs! Smh

You can see the fire in every Qb that made it to the playoffs.Flacco looks like hes going to a funeral .

ah, that's because they made it to the playoffs. Joe is just fine, I'm sure you could go out there and throw for 4100 yds after coming back from a torn ACL. but hey, you are something else right. And you only want the Ravens to have Brady, is that it? You want a cry baby? You want a Falcon team who couldn't field a defense for 8 years? you want a Green Bay team who by the luck of the green Irish 4 leaf clover got just enough out of James Starks to put them over the top in 2010. Sure Rodgers is a gunslinger but it may take until Lacy to get back to the big show we will see. And we turn to Piggy Ben, well, well, Mr. extend-a-play he is something its like a Cave man on Steriods and then his band of merrymen always seem to bail him out...except when it comes to Tomlin. This is where Kaos meets pride and the two collide in a foolish looking way. So get me a 1000 yard runner, give me Joe, Pitta and a couple WR's with the team we have and I say we get to the playoffs. Adios QB dreamer

The way Flacco is playing, the only thing keeping him in Baltimore is his contract

Well, that and the fact that there's pretty much no chance you could find a suitable replacement. Certainly not one that is better.

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15 minutes ago, ThatGuy said:

EVERY QB we played against this year looked better than joe, EVEN THE ROOKIES. Adapting to defenses and calling audibles, smarter decisions, better time/game management, they were ALL better than our guy

LOL, nice try bud. I'm afraid the facts just don't support your little theory...

1. Flacco certainly outplayed Tyrod in week 1. Can pretty much pick literally any stat you want there and it will be in favor of Flacco.

2. Was as good or better than Josh McCown in first meeting with the Browns 

3. Was as good or comparable to Blake Bortles.

4. Was as good or comparable to Kirk Cousins.

5. Unequivocally outplayed Big Ben in the first meeting in Baltimore.

6. Easily outplayed McCown/Kessler in the 2nd meeting against the Browns.

7. Was as good or comparable to Andy Dalton in the first meeting with the Bengals.

8. Easily outplayed Ryan Tannehill

9. Played better than Carson Wentz

10. Could argue he was comparable to Big Ben in their 2nd matchup in Pittsburgh.

 

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23 minutes ago, ThatGuy said:

osweiler made throws against NE that were perfectly placed in the wr hands and the dropped em, one woulda been a TD. He also looked like he made better decisions than flacco and has a higher football IQ. And he doesnt have ten years experience

I assume that's the one and only game you watched Osweiler play then?

Might want to go back to the film room. You gotta play pretty poorly for a franchise to bench you in the first year of a long term deal while they're paying you $21M for the year.

Osweiler was statistically inferior at literally every single level. And remember, he's getting paid to be really good...

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  3 hours ago, zing21042 said:
  12 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

timin is everything and we can't wait another year. we can have 5 high slot number one draft picks in three years by tradin flacco this year. teams will give us two number ones for him. clevland

a team does have to have two high quality qbs as newsom says but a team also needs a high quality draft man doin his job

We will owe Flacco $47 mil next year (dead money) if we trade him or if we let him go and he decides to sit at home and watch the Ravens on TV. "Guaranteed" money is guaranteed. Even if a player retires they are entitled to any money they were "guaranteed" in their contract.

Hell, we let Eugene Monroe go in June of 2016 and next year we will still owe him $4.4 million against the salary cap.

I will happily stand corrected if wrong; however, that is what I understand of the cap structure and the concept of dead money. If a player is guaranteed a set amount of money over the life of the contract, the guaranteed money (and only the guaranteed money) is payable when the contract is terminated. Flacco is guaranteed to receive $47 mil over the next 4 years...this is independent of his yearly salary.

From a salary cap perspective, yes, those amounts count against the salary cap for the team.

But the player doesn't actually get "paid out" those amounts. The salary cap amount and the amount the player gets paid are two different things.

For example, Joe's cap hit was $22.55M last season, yet we actually paid him $29M ($25M bonus and $4M salary).

In 2017, regardless of whether he is on the roster or not, we will pay him $15M. If he's on the team, he will make $21M.

That's not really true either. The entire signing bonus is paid in full the day the player signs the contract (thus the term signing bonus) - the amount is just spread over 5 years for salary cap purposes. Joe's cap hit was $22.55 million in 2016 ($ 4 million salary, $4.75 option bonus, & $13.8 million signing bonus). He got the signing bonus when he signed the contract, so, we actually paid Flacco just $8.75 million for this past season.

Next year, we pay Flacco $6 million in salary with a $4.75 million option bonus. Which means Flacco is actually getting paid $10.75 million next year in straight cash, homey.

That's why the big contract number ($120 million) doesn't really mean anything - it's the guaranteed money that counts. Flacco actually got less money when he signed his extension ($51 million guaranteed on the original contract, $44 million guaranteed on the extension).

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  1 hour ago, bozo said:
  3 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Too many glaring holes to add a Qb in the draft, we must look through free agency.

have to agree flacco is not a top qb. he only average and should be paid as average. wake up, if hes dissatisfied let him test free agency he'll never get close to what hes getting, hes is only one dementional longball and that's not accurate.

LOL, Brock Osweiler is getting $18M in FA and Kirk Cousins is probably about to make as much or more than Flacco.

If Joe were a FA today, he would get more than what the Ravens are paying him.

Exactly. Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Derek Carr, Jameis Winston & Marcus Mariota will be FA over the next 2 years. Joe's contract is going to look like a bargain....

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12 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

That's not really true either. The entire signing bonus is paid in full the day the player signs the contract (thus the term signing bonus) - the amount is just spread over 5 years for salary cap purposes. Joe's cap hit was $22.55 million in 2016 ($ 4 million salary, $4.75 option bonus, & $13.8 million signing bonus). He got the signing bonus when he signed the contract, so, we actually paid Flacco just $8.75 million for this past season.

Next year, we pay Flacco $6 million in salary with a $4.75 million option bonus. Which means Flacco is actually getting paid $10.75 million next year in straight cash, homey.

That's why the big contract number ($120 million) doesn't really mean anything - it's the guaranteed money that counts. Flacco actually got less money when he signed his extension ($51 million guaranteed on the original contract, $44 million guaranteed on the extension).

No, this is not correct.

1. Typically, yes, a signing bonus is paid up front to the player (so he gets all of it at once) and then the cap impact is spread out. However, in this case, Joe agreed to defer a portion of his signing bonus until 2017 (will be paid March 15th, 2017), which some players agree to do. Notably, this was discussed in length when Joey Bosa signed his rookie deal.

So from a pure cash perspective, he received a $25M signing bonus last year, and a $4M salary, for a total of $29M. 

2. You're referencing the SALARY CAP impacts, not the actual cash paid to Joe impact. The $4.75M "option bonus" is simply a portion of the option bonus Joe was paid from his previous contract ($15M option bonus paid in 2014, and a $7M option bonus paid in 2015). 

If you want to know where that $4.75M number came from, its 1/5th of his $15M option bonus in 2014, and 1/4th of his $7M option bonus from 2015. Remember, his original deal went from 2013-2018, so he carried over allocated portions of his prior signing bonuses into his current deal.

Same thing applies to his $13.8M portion of his signing bonus. $8M of that is from his current deal, $5.8M is from his old deal (1/5th of his $29M signing bonus in 2013).

You can find all of this info here:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/joe-flacco-4000/cash-earnings/

Contract details tab has the SALARY CAP breakdown, and there's a tab for Cash Earnings that break down exactly how much he's actually get paid in any given year.

You'll see that they are only the same in total, not on a yearly basis. Joe actually got paid $29M in 2016, and will make $21M in 2017.

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New England got Brady in the 6th round if I remember correctly... we have trouble picking a quality WR in the 1st round.

That really IS very sad. But, in all honesty, with Brady you're talking about one of, if not, The best 6th round draft choice in history. And, again in all honesty, the jury is still out on Perriman. But it IS undeniable that Ozzie, or our scouts, just do not seem to have the ability to recognize talent in a wr coming out of the draft. So many misses, and not very much talent.

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51 minutes ago, ThatGuy said:

osweiler made throws against NE that were perfectly placed in the wr hands and the dropped em, one woulda been a TD. He also looked like he made better decisions than flacco and has a higher football IQ. And he doesnt have ten years experience

And Joe never had big drops?  23 of 40 1td and 3ints....if that's good then Joe is a HoF'er.  Brock looked absolutely terrible, but hey, I guess we see what we want to see.

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3 hours ago, Chuckx999 said:

"You want him to play like Big Ben or Br*dy? They both have sucked so far."

You can't be for real!

Do you know who the QB are going to be in the AFC championship game are going to be? They only have 6 Super Bowls wins between them.

Wake up!! Flacco is the one that sucks. All Ravens SB have been won by defence.

Br*dy threw 2 interceptions and had a 68.6 rating last weekend.  So far, in 2 playoff games, Ben has attempted 49 passes, 3 of which were intercepted.  Both were totally bailed out by their playmakers.  Joe would have been roasted alive for the play we've seen from them.

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  4 hours ago, Chuckx999 said:

"You want him to play like Big Ben or Br*dy? They both have sucked so far."

You can't be for real!

Do you know who the QB are going to be in the AFC championship game are going to be? They only have 6 Super Bowls wins between them.

Wake up!! Flacco is the one that sucks. All Ravens SB have been won by defence.

Br*dy threw 2 interceptions and had a 68.6 rating last weekend.  So far, in 2 playoff games, Ben has attempted 49 passes, 3 of which were intercepted.  Both were totally bailed out by their playmakers.  Joe would have been roasted alive for the play we've seen from them.

Roasted with dillweed and peppers.

Not only is Joe not a media darling but many display antipathy toward him. It's similar to high school and they're the sycophants who want to hang out with the cool kids (Brady, Peyton, Ben et.al.) and hope to curry favor by deriding the nerds on the school ground.

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8 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

Tyrod Taylor was a 6th round pick if I'm not mistaken. Turned out to be a nice, solid and cheap backup for 5 years. And convinced at least Rex Ryan to hire him as a starter. I wouldn't say that is a complete waste of a pick. How many players from other positions have we drafted in 6th or 7th round who wound up starters? Unless you count Camp, who is injured more often than not, I can't name single one.

If you would have read my post, you would have seen that I had mentioned Tyrod. Still it's not the norm to find a worthwhile QB in the 6th round. I stand by my opinion that if you want a decent to good QB, that selection should happen before the end of the 4th round.

Off the top of my head, I can only think of Adalius Thomas selected in the 6th that went onto become a starter for us. In addition, I can name numerous undrafted players that were starters for us over the years. In 2016 alone we had Orr & McClellan.

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  10 hours ago, Chuckx999 said:

"You want him to play like Big Ben or Br*dy? They both have sucked so far."

You can't be for real!

Do you know who the QB are going to be in the AFC championship game are going to be? They only have 6 Super Bowls wins between them.

Wake up!! Flacco is the one that sucks. All Ravens SB have been won by defence.

Br*dy threw 2 interceptions and had a 68.6 rating last weekend.  So far, in 2 playoff games, Ben has attempted 49 passes, 3 of which were intercepted.  Both were totally bailed out by their playmakers.  Joe would have been roasted alive for the play we've seen from them.

No participation trophy's in Baltimore!!!! Be all you can be go home or Cleveland.

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  15 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:
  16 hours ago, bozo said:
  18 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Too many glaring holes to add a Qb in the draft, we must look through free agency.

have to agree flacco is not a top qb. he only average and should be paid as average. wake up, if hes dissatisfied let him test free agency he'll never get close to what hes getting, hes is only one dementional longball and that's not accurate.

LOL, Brock Osweiler is getting $18M in FA and Kirk Cousins is probably about to make as much or more than Flacco.

If Joe were a FA today, he would get more than what the Ravens are paying him.

Exactly. Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Derek Carr, Jameis Winston & Marcus Mariota will be FA over the next 2 years. Joe's contract is going to look like a bargain....

And I wish all of those other qbs were leading our team in place of Joe

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  On 1/16/2017 at 7:06 PM, JamesA119 said:
  On 1/16/2017 at 6:17 PM, bigcatfrank1 said:
  On 1/16/2017 at 5:13 PM, outkast1 said:
  On 1/16/2017 at 2:11 PM, Purple Dawg 96 said:

Keep Mallet if you can or get another veteran and get a youngster in the draft with legs and size! I'm preparing myself for more bad play because Joe just doesn't show or have any motivation what so ever like I see out of QBs in the playoffs! Smh still cannot believe we're not in the playoffs! Smh

You can see the fire in every Qb that made it to the playoffs.Flacco looks like hes going to a funeral .

ah, that's because they made it to the playoffs. Joe is just fine, I'm sure you could go out there and throw for 4100 yds after coming back from a torn ACL. but hey, you are something else right. And you only want the Ravens to have Brady, is that it? You want a cry baby? You want a Falcon team who couldn't field a defense for 8 years? you want a Green Bay team who by the luck of the green Irish 4 leaf clover got just enough out of James Starks to put them over the top in 2010. Sure Rodgers is a gunslinger but it may take until Lacy to get back to the big show we will see. And we turn to Piggy Ben, well, well, Mr. extend-a-play he is something its like a Cave man on Steriods and then his band of merrymen always seem to bail him out...except when it comes to Tomlin. This is where Kaos meets pride and the two collide in a foolish looking way. So get me a 1000 yard runner, give me Joe, Pitta and a couple WR's with the team we have and I say we get to the playoffs. Adios QB dreamer

The way Flacco is playing, the only thing keeping him in Baltimore is his contract

Well, that and the fact that there's pretty much no chance you could find a suitable replacement. Certainly not one that is better.

Mallet would've played better than Joe this year. give me a break

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  15 hours ago, ThatGuy said:

EVERY QB we played against this year looked better than joe, EVEN THE ROOKIES. Adapting to defenses and calling audibles, smarter decisions, better time/game management, they were ALL better than our guy

LOL, nice try bud. I'm afraid the facts just don't support your little theory...

1. Flacco certainly outplayed Tyrod in week 1. Can pretty much pick literally any stat you want there and it will be in favor of Flacco.

2. Was as good or better than Josh McCown in first meeting with the Browns 

3. Was as good or comparable to Blake Bortles.

4. Was as good or comparable to Kirk Cousins.

5. Unequivocally outplayed Big Ben in the first meeting in Baltimore.

6. Easily outplayed McCown/Kessler in the 2nd meeting against the Browns.

7. Was as good or comparable to Andy Dalton in the first meeting with the Bengals.

8. Easily outplayed Ryan Tannehill

9. Played better than Carson Wentz

10. Could argue he was comparable to Big Ben in their 2nd matchup in Pittsburgh.

 

LOL at you is right. Picking individual weeks where Joe might've outplayed a qb. PATHETIC. just like Joe was this year
Cousins was way better this year
Oh, he outplayed Ben after he was seriously hurt? wow
Outplayed McCown adn Kessler!!!?!?!?!?!?! Yeah Joe!!!!!!!!!LOL are you kidding me?????????
Yes, he MIGHT HAVE played better than a couple qbs in the league this year. Meaning he wasn't the very worst qb in the league. Just 3rd or 4th from the bottom. LOL
Sorry BUD, we would've been better off with Mallet this year. Very few Ravens fans that watched every game this year would disagree

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Are ANY Raven fans in here? Don't give me we are being realistic crap. Your glasses are not half empty . they are broken.

 

We are ALL ravens fans....Doesn that mean we have to say Joe is better than he is? or better than he played??????

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  16 hours ago, bozo said:
  18 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Too many glaring holes to add a Qb in the draft, we must look through free agency.

have to agree flacco is not a top qb. he only average and should be paid as average. wake up, if hes dissatisfied let him test free agency he'll never get close to what hes getting, hes is only one dementional longball and that's not accurate.

LOL, Brock Osweiler is getting $18M in FA and Kirk Cousins is probably about to make as much or more than Flacco.

If Joe were a FA today, he would get more than what the Ravens are paying him.

Stupidest argument I've ever heard. Every position gets more every year. Thats how it works, duh. His contract is beyond awful. zero way around that.
And Cousins is about to make as much or more than Joe............................interesting, maybe because he's better

And, as you said, "if Joe was a free agent today......" The Ravens wouldn't sign him!!!!!!!!!! LOL

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  21 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:
  21 hours ago, ThatGuy said:

EVERY QB we played against this year looked better than joe, EVEN THE ROOKIES. Adapting to defenses and calling audibles, smarter decisions, better time/game management, they were ALL better than our guy

LOL, nice try bud. I'm afraid the facts just don't support your little theory...

1. Flacco certainly outplayed Tyrod in week 1. Can pretty much pick literally any stat you want there and it will be in favor of Flacco.

2. Was as good or better than Josh McCown in first meeting with the Browns 

3. Was as good or comparable to Blake Bortles.

4. Was as good or comparable to Kirk Cousins.

5. Unequivocally outplayed Big Ben in the first meeting in Baltimore.

6. Easily outplayed McCown/Kessler in the 2nd meeting against the Browns.

7. Was as good or comparable to Andy Dalton in the first meeting with the Bengals.

8. Easily outplayed Ryan Tannehill

9. Played better than Carson Wentz

10. Could argue he was comparable to Big Ben in their 2nd matchup in Pittsburgh.

 

LOL at you is right. Picking individual weeks where Joe might've outplayed a qb. PATHETIC. just like Joe was this year
Cousins was way better this year
Oh, he outplayed Ben after he was seriously hurt? wow
Outplayed McCown adn Kessler!!!?!?!?!?!?! Yeah Joe!!!!!!!!!LOL are you kidding me?????????
Yes, he MIGHT HAVE played better than a couple qbs in the league this year. Meaning he wasn't the very worst qb in the league. Just 3rd or 4th from the bottom. LOL
Sorry BUD, we would've been better off with Mallet this year. Very few Ravens fans that watched every game this year would disagree

Disagree with what? Something that didn't happen?

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On 1/17/2017 at 11:31 AM, rmcjacket23 said:

So the Ravens won the 2012 SB by defense?

You mean the defense that was 17th in YPG allowed in the regular season, 20th in rushing YPG allowed, and 12th in PPG allowed, giving up 21 points a game? That defense?

The one that gave up 35 points to Denver in the playoffs and 31 in the SB alone? The defense that gave up 468 yards and 182 yards rushing in the SB alone?

That defense?

Boy you better wake up and wake up fast. The 2012 Ravens defense was average, bordering on bad for large parts of the season.

I agree with everything except I want to point out that the defense only gave up 21 to Denver which considering who it was was very impressive.  The other 14 points were on 2 kick returnstart which isn't fair to put on the defense 

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Another irrelevant move looking to be made by the front office. Ignoring all the other obvious problems with this football team, Pathetic

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We dont need to add another QB. We got enough money invested in Flacco. We dont need a RB. And please dont draft a WR. We need shut down corners and safeties in the draft. Flacco needs an Offensive Line. Ronald Leary could be available from the Cowboys. We can get a WR in free agency. On Defense, i like Jamie Collins from the Browns if he's available. I just hope when the draft starts, the front office goes after what we need instead of falling back to get more picks. We need impact players, not complementary players.

 

 

 

 

 

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