[News] Steve Bisciotti: I Don't See Age, I See Accomplishment

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The Ravens were one of the older teams in the league last year, but Bisciotti has never liked assessing a team based on age.

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[BiggMack91]

well the production for the vets is lacking big time so i guess they are as good as gone but hopefully we can get a trade for at least one of them that would be great but i don't see doom web zuttah here next year

[bioLarzen]

I remember the time when the great, but aging owner of the Baltimore Ravens was replaced by a young one. Also the time when the good, but not-too-young-anymore HC of the Baltimore Ravens was replaced by an up-and-coming new young gun. It wasn't long ago when Ray Lewis, and his aging replacement was suceeded by a young budding star. And the latest case, when an "aging" Haloti Ngata was replaced by fresh staff.

Young replacing the older is not an insult, not an outrage, not disrespect. It's the way it has always been - and a lot of times it's the best that can happen... as the above examples all clearly show.

Edited January 16 by bioLarzen

[Chuckx999]

When the other teams players are beating your players to to outside, then chasing the other guys and can't catch them, its time to wake up. Maybe for 2-3 games a year the OLD guys can keep up, but for 16 and hopefully post season games?????? Ray Lewis and Ed Reed were MONSTERS on the field until the last two or three. Reeds sholders were so bad he couldn't stop someones Grandma, but still the smartest player on the field.
I'm sure we all miss them. Ray had the FIRE to get the team up, now we don't have that FIRE from anyone.

[MadStorkSociety]

I remember the time when the great, but aging owner of the Baltimore Ravens was replaced by a young one. Also the time when the good, but not-too-young-anymore HC of the Baltimore Ravens was replaced by an up-and-coming new young gun. It wasn't long ago when Ray Lewis, and his aging replacement was suceeded by a young budding star. And the latest case, when an "aging" Haloti Ngata was replaced by fresh staff.

Young replacing the older is not an insult, not an outrage, not disrespect. It's the way it has always been - and a lot of times it's the best that can happen... as the above examples all clearly show.

Sadly, the way of the world. Someday younger commenters will replace us.

[BallsoHard622]

I agree with Steve 100 percent. If we let go of sizzle an doom now our young guns wouldn't be able to pick up the slack. I think we need to restructure dooms contract an see what he can do when he's healthy again. Until we draft a pass rusher or one of our young rushers start playing a lot better it would be hard to let sizzle an doom go. We need better corners to help our front out, the front end works with the back end.

[Purple Dawg 96]

Age has nothing to do with why the Ravens are not in the playoffs! The scheme to building the Ravens should stay rite on schedule keep that Birdseye open for talent drafted undrafted and the rite vets that will come in and do some work! Just because Joe and the Offense choked on several occasions this season can't start forcing players out because the Offense couldn't get it done! N Stands for "NEXT YEAR"! Smh

[jravens1313]

I really hope we draft a Center & Guard Rounds 2-4. Jabril Peppers, Dalvin Cook, D'onta Foreman, Corey Davis, John Ross, Jaylon Tabor, Adoree' Jackson should all be on our short list. We need more playmakers that can win games. Jackson, Peppers, and Ross bring return ability which we also need.

[law215]

Last years comment was "continuity". This years it's "I don't see age, I see accomplishment". It makes me wonder if he is resistant to change.

Defense

No wonder the defense seems winded in the 4th quarter. They rely on the old guys to play 60 minutes. What if Judon started ahead of Doom and Suggs rotated more. Maybe they are fresh enough in the 4th quarter to close the deal.

What if you had young legs in the secondary? Maybe guys would not catch a 8 yard pass and not make it to the endzone.

Offense

OZ continues to want "complementary receivers" instead of game breakers.
Maybe the reason the Ravens have never been able to draft a true #1 WR, is their GM only seeks "complementary" guys at that position. His attempts to draft a #1 seem to be failures.

In a league where rookie Wrs are starters, OZ is looking for an old guys to complement the passing game and Steve is holding out hope the 37 yr Steve Smith returns.

Yes, old guys are cheap and will always have a longer resume than a young player. However, these old players today were young guys that just needed to be drafted and given a chance to play ahead of veterans. That's how Smith Sr took over in Carolina and then ended up with the Ravens.

[billiejean]

I really hope we draft a Center & Guard Rounds 2-4. Jabril Peppers, Dalvin Cook, D'onta Foreman, Corey Davis, John Ross, Jaylon Tabor, Adoree' Jackson should all be on our short list. We need more playmakers that can win games. Jackson, Peppers, and Ross bring return ability which we also need.

It makes absolutely no sense to assign positions to rounds in the draft. There are to many factors that can't be determined until youre on the board. But if one were to do that, I don't think it makes sense to take three interior lineman in the first 4 rounds. I dont think it makes sense to draft two interior lineman in the first 4 rounds. I am not saying it couldn't happen because of the unpredictability of the draft. If we were to draft G in the second and somehow when we are up in the 3rd and there is another G there that we had a high 2nd round grade on then yea take the guy. But its all situational. We would have to really be in love with a guy (or think the guys is a great value) to take two in the first 4. The best example of that of course is Ben Grubbs, Marshal Yanda. We just have so many other needs this year and you have to diversify those high picks. Another factor obviously is what becomes of JZ.

[Ravensfansince03]

As long as Webb stays. Webb is probably the best tackler we have on the defense right now.

[TheKingFlip31]

1 hour ago, jravens1313 said:

I really hope we draft a Center & Guard Rounds 2-4. Jabril Peppers, Dalvin Cook, D'onta Foreman, Corey Davis, John Ross, Jaylon Tabor, Adoree' Jackson should all be on our short list. We need more playmakers that can win games. Jackson, Peppers, and Ross bring return ability which we also need.

This is a nice list.....and the exact same people I was thinking of...minus Peppers

[Some Dumb Fan]

If Steve B is looking at accomplishments and then I expect Zuttah, Webb, Doom, Lewis and Elam to be gone! Not playing no where near up to their contract or draft value!

If Steve B is looking at accomplishments then Joe Flacco since 2013 Overpaid and Jimmy Smith injury prone need to restructure!

If Steve B is looking at accomplishments then why continue to allow Harbs to hire is Philadelphia buddies who are not qualified and have failed year after year?

If Steve B is looking at accomplishments then explain letting Boldin, Corey Graham and Pollard go?

Bottom line, we do not have the brains as a coaching staff to adjust and win games with average players!

Can't help but to notice Steelers 2016 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks all starting! When is the last time the happen with the Ravens? We don't need Pro Bowlers, just guys who do their job!

[Ravenous_Ravens]

If Steve B is looking at accomplishments and then I expect Zuttah, Webb, Doom, Lewis and Elam to be gone! Not playing no where near up to their contract or draft value!

If Steve B is looking at accomplishments then Joe Flacco since 2013 Overpaid and Jimmy Smith injury prone need to restructure!

If Steve B is looking at accomplishments then why continue to allow Harbs to hire is Philadelphia buddies who are not qualified and have failed year after year?

If Steve B is looking at accomplishments then explain letting Boldin, Corey Graham and Pollard go?

Bottom line, we do not have the brains as a coaching staff to adjust and win games with average players!

Can't help but to notice Steelers 2016 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks all starting! When is the last time the happen with the Ravens? We don't need Pro Bowlers, just guys who do their job!

What about every other round? Your comment may bear truth, but it omits the fuller picture. There are also many reason why players get the start, sometimes being out of necessity as in trial by fire. All my point is, it is not such an simple comparison without looking more closely at the details.

One should always keep in mind, identifying what is not working is the only the first step. You also need to consider what options are available and really do your homework, before making any moves. You can get rid of what "does not work" and have no better alternatives, just something different. This is more often the case in professional sports and why knee jerk reactions seldom pay dividends down the road. It is mostly chance things go well when making such reactionary decisions. Getting caught up in the heat of the moment is natural, making hasty decisions is a fools game.

[Crusader]

The Ravens won the Superbowl being one of the oldest team did they not?

[Crusader]

As long as Webb stays. Webb is probably the best tackler we have on the defense right now.

He does a great job at pushing guys out of bounds too.

[n#7]

The Ravens won the Superbowl being one of the oldest team did they not?

Not in key positions, One must remember they wouldn't have made it to the SB without that fluke pass to Blodin. They also got some players from that squad still playing and are 4 years older. Added to that is the draft busts of recent years and it's adding up to a long playoff drought w looking none too promising for the future.

[bigcatfrank1]

I agree with Steve 100 percent. If we let go of sizzle an doom now our young guns wouldn't be able to pick up the slack. I think we need to restructure dooms contract an see what he can do when he's healthy again. Until we draft a pass rusher or one of our young rushers start playing a lot better it would be hard to let sizzle an doom go. We need better corners to help our front out, the front end works with the back end.

I think you are half right, I say keep one of them probably Suggs. We will get a good compensatory pick for Doom if he gets picked up, which he probably will. That frees up cap space for a higher quality CB or younger Pass rusher if something develops. I'm not sure about Kendrick, but Elam, Arrington, Zutta, Watson, Aiken, Wright can go, IF we can keep Wagner, Pitta, Orr and Guy that would be great. Go get a WR, RB, S, LB, CB playmakers and we will make the playoffs.

[Rav'n Maniac]

Biscoitti is correct that it's production, not age that truly matters. The only thing that seems to be affected by age is injuries and that has been proven time and again with our older players. The best ability is availability and if your older players are hurt, then you are getting no production out of them.

[GENE2407]

Steve, just shut up. Everything out of your mouth in the last week makes you look like an idiot. You're a great owner, keep it that way.

[The Greek]

  15 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

I really hope we draft a Center & Guard Rounds 2-4. Jabril Peppers, Dalvin Cook, D'onta Foreman, Corey Davis, John Ross, Jaylon Tabor, Adoree' Jackson should all be on our short list. We need more playmakers that can win games. Jackson, Peppers, and Ross bring return ability which we also need.

It makes absolutely no sense to assign positions to rounds in the draft. There are to many factors that can't be determined until youre on the board. But if one were to do that, I don't think it makes sense to take three interior lineman in the first 4 rounds. I dont think it makes sense to draft two interior lineman in the first 4 rounds. I am not saying it couldn't happen because of the unpredictability of the draft. If we were to draft G in the second and somehow when we are up in the 3rd and there is another G there that we had a high 2nd round grade on then yea take the guy. But its all situational. We would have to really be in love with a guy (or think the guys is a great value) to take two in the first 4. The best example of that of course is Ben Grubbs, Marshal Yanda. We just have so many other needs this year and you have to diversify those high picks. Another factor obviously is what becomes of JZ.

d'onta foreman in the 2nd rd. would be very nice. and we need a big powerful center

[Chuckx999]

We all know that how a player does in college and the NFL is not always the same, but if someone has the potential to step in and start and you have a big need in that position DRAFT him. The best play on the board may NOT be the position we need filled by the player Oz selects. Some older player are very smart and know how to read the plays, but are often the injured guys sitting on the bench. Going young with speed can only help our slow Ravens.

[drillem]

The word 'old' should be replaced with 'stale'. 'Cause that's what the Ravens are. Same old, same old. Run of the mill. Safely mediocre. No risk, no gain. If anyone doesn't think coaching isn't the problem, just take a look at the New England Patriots. No matter the players, no matter the injuries, they keep rolling over other teams like a steam roller. That comes from good coaching. Meanwhile we just stay around average with no end in sight.

No Steve, old is stale. Result is loss of viewers/revenue. Guess if you just need a hobby it's okay. But if you want a winner more will need to be done.

[Crusader]

James Harrison 38 owned Ronnie Stanley 22 in the first game. It was a good test for Ronnie to learn from.

[Rav'n Maniac]

James Harrison 38 owned Ronnie Stanley 22 in the first game. It was a good test for Ronnie to learn from.

You do realize that it was his first game back from injury and he wasn't healed at that point. It was a good lesson for him as he dominated Harrison in the second game.

[nj_ravens]

The word 'old' should be replaced with 'stale'. 'Cause that's what the Ravens are. Same old, same old. Run of the mill. Safely mediocre. No risk, no gain. If anyone doesn't think coaching isn't the problem, just take a look at the New England Patriots. No matter the players, no matter the injuries, they keep rolling over other teams like a steam roller. That comes from good coaching. Meanwhile we just stay around average with no end in sight.

No Steve, old is stale. Result is loss of viewers/revenue. Guess if you just need a hobby it's okay. But if you want a winner more will need to be done.

"That comes from good coaching." No, that comes from Hall of Fame coaching, from honestly the greatest football coach ever to live. Pats are the exception, not the rule. Sure, you want to emulate what they do, try to learn. But to say our coaching is an issue because we aren't achieving what they are achieving is always going to lead to frustration.

[nj_ravens]

Steve, just shut up. Everything out of your mouth in the last week makes you look like an idiot. You're a great owner, keep it that way.

Based on?

[nj_ravens]

  20 hours ago, Crusader said:

The Ravens won the Superbowl being one of the oldest team did they not?

Not in key positions, One must remember they wouldn't have made it to the SB without that fluke pass to Blodin. They also got some players from that squad still playing and are 4 years older. Added to that is the draft busts of recent years and it's adding up to a long playoff drought w looking none too promising for the future.

"One must remember they wouldn't have made it to the SB without that fluke pass to Blodin."

I don't remember. Can you tell me which pass was a fluke?

"They also got some players from that squad still playing and are 4 years older."

The only players remaining from that squad are Flacco, Yanda, Jimmy Smith, and Albert McClellan (and Tucker, Cox and Koch)

" none too promising for the future."

We were 1 play, 1 yard from beating the Steelers, who are looking hot right now. Open your eyes.

[OzzieBisciotti]

I don't see age, I see a bunch of hand me down players- I wish Ray would come back and lead my team to another SB. Ever since he left, there wasn't another leader, by himself, that could step up the way I did, Harbaugh included.

[TheConquerorWorm]

  On 1/16/2017 at 5:55 PM, billiejean said:

  On 1/16/2017 at 5:11 PM, jravens1313 said:

I really hope we draft a Center & Guard Rounds 2-4. Jabril Peppers, Dalvin Cook, D'onta Foreman, Corey Davis, John Ross, Jaylon Tabor, Adoree' Jackson should all be on our short list. We need more playmakers that can win games. Jackson, Peppers, and Ross bring return ability which we also need.

It makes absolutely no sense to assign positions to rounds in the draft. There are to many factors that can't be determined until youre on the board. But if one were to do that, I don't think it makes sense to take three interior lineman in the first 4 rounds. I dont think it makes sense to draft two interior lineman in the first 4 rounds. I am not saying it couldn't happen because of the unpredictability of the draft. If we were to draft G in the second and somehow when we are up in the 3rd and there is another G there that we had a high 2nd round grade on then yea take the guy. But its all situational. We would have to really be in love with a guy (or think the guys is a great value) to take two in the first 4. The best example of that of course is Ben Grubbs, Marshal Yanda. We just have so many other needs this year and you have to diversify those high picks. Another factor obviously is what becomes of JZ.

d'onta foreman in the 2nd rd. would be very nice. and we need a big powerful center

3rd Round - C Tyler Orlosky - mean & nasty just like you want your C to be.