[News] Ravens Brass Hammering Out Offseason Blueprint At Steve Bisciotti's Home

[The Greek]

15 hours ago, Adreme said:

Firstly Stanley has been a great pick and as many pointed out was graded as the top LT in football the last 6 weeks so he is looking like the LT of the next decade. 

Also Young and Pierce are part of that class as well getting you at least 5 starters out of this rookie class and we haven't gotten to see yet how our 3rd rounder plays because of an injury and how developmental 2nd rounder looks,after a fullong offseason.  So it's easily one of the best if not the best rookie class they have ever had.

Let's also note in free agency they got one of the best safeties and there top WR last season so that aspect was clearly successful.

If the Ravens come anywhere close to matching that success this offseason then you are looking at a powerhouse next year

powerhouse? lets beat the jets 1st

[JamesA119]

they can keep those guys by having joe take a serious pay cut, and releasing some of those older not productive veterans, with big salaries.

Agree. A serious pay cut for Flacco is in order, but it won't happen. The front office just was taken on that deal. Flacco is an advantageous position. There is too much guaranteed money in the contract that we are stuck with him for about 2 yrs. all FO want to do is find any way possible to get as much out of him as possible.

I think though they finally realized that he is not who they thought he is. Flacco has a way of playing well nearing his contract year. Next time around, my guess is that the FO won't be quite as generous.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

  5 hours ago, bozo said:

they can keep those guys by having joe take a serious pay cut, and releasing some of those older not productive veterans, with big salaries.

Agree. A serious pay cut for Flacco is in order, but it won't happen. The front office just was taken on that deal. Flacco is an advantageous position. There is too much guaranteed money in the contract that we are stuck with him for about 2 yrs. all FO want to do is find any way possible to get as much out of him as possible.

I think though they finally realized that he is not who they thought he is. Flacco has a way of playing well nearing his contract year. Next time around, my guess is that the FO won't be quite as generous.

This happens to many players who get big pay days. It is the simple fact when your giving it your all working for peanuts (comparatively) and then take/earn that big payday the motivation somewhat goes away. Except for rookies, on rookie contracts, most players play their best football in the back half of their contracts.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

  16 hours ago, Adreme said:

Firstly Stanley has been a great pick and as many pointed out was graded as the top LT in football the last 6 weeks so he is looking like the LT of the next decade. 

Also Young and Pierce are part of that class as well getting you at least 5 starters out of this rookie class and we haven't gotten to see yet how our 3rd rounder plays because of an injury and how developmental 2nd rounder looks,after a fullong offseason.  So it's easily one of the best if not the best rookie class they have ever had.

Let's also note in free agency they got one of the best safeties and there top WR last season so that aspect was clearly successful.

If the Ravens come anywhere close to matching that success this offseason then you are looking at a powerhouse next year

powerhouse? lets beat the jets 1st

Quality of the talent on roster is a different matter than the coaching. We all saw first hand what a good offensive scheme can do for this team. When Kubiak came it it was a night and day transformation, with very little having to do with the roster. It's how you use those tools in the shed.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

  10 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

Blueprint is easy to me (relatively

Let Williams, Aiken, and Juice leave....Aiken needs to leave.
Cut quite a few veterans/ under performers = 20+ mil in cap space
Sign Wagner. Lewis plays Guard. Draft a center in the 2nd or 3rd= our line is excellent and set for years
Sign Cyphrien. Bump Weddle to FS= our run game gets a lot better as well as FS play. That would be a stellar safety combo and Cyphrien won't break the bank
Draft a corner in the first=our secondary is set for years
SIgn a vet wr-(pryor,Wright, Jeffery) and draft on ein the 2nd or 3rd
Use 4th and 5ths on pass rushers

BOOM. We're set for February ball

Just curious as to why you want them to let Juice leave?

Cannot say for this guy, but this decision is easy.Either he will be used gong forward, more than in the past, or you cut him. It comes down to how much you actually use him. Unless Morningweg flips the trend on his snap count in a meaningful way, it is a lot of cap space going to a player that while very good for his position,would end up being paid more than he's bringing to the table. Other questions come out too such as if you use a FB more often do you really need to go get a "complimentary WR", etc.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

  17 hours ago, Zeus said:

Bla bla bla, they posted the same thing last season and look at the result

Yes they had one of the most successful offseasons and drafts in recent memory.  Certainly up there for best in franchise history.

Funny how the perceived success of a draft is directly tied to draft order, meaning that the years they did poorly and received high draft order, they draft the best. I say funny because the majority of people writing comments on this forum about draft success fail to take into account this basic principle and fundamental for how the draft is supposed to work in essence.

[RavensDieHard21]

On January 14, 2017 at 10:30 AM, whobilly said:

We likely are going to receive a 3rd round comp pick for KO. Thoughts on packaging that pick and our #1 to move up to increase our odds of getting an impact player?

It all depends. Is anyone willing to trade back for that 3rd? How many spots up can we skip? I see the highest we could trade up would be either with the Browns or Saints that have a lot of holes.

If at 11 or 12, Barnett, M. Williams or Jamal Adams are there then definitely I would part ways with that pick. But this scenario seems unlikely and there will undoubtedly be value at 16. We are better off trading away that third to move up from 48

[RavensDieHard21]

20 hours ago, The Greek said:

watching the falcons/seahawks and does anyone feel that our offense can be a scoring machine like atlanta with the combo of marty/roman? i have my reservations about it but time will tell

What that game showed me if that poise and play calling can beat the most prominent defenses. The schemes are great. They were never predictable. Shanahan has great plays drawn up, it wasn't just as if superior talent just went out there and dominated. 

[RavensDieHard21]

6 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Based on the NFL draft value chart, our #1 and a 3rd round comp packaged together would allow us to move up approximately 2 spots, from #16 to #14.

That chart is garbage lol doesn't take it to consideration a ton of things. Team needs being one. 

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, Derrel said:

Pats on the ropes after the 1st half. Pats coaches make adjustments on offense and defense and blow out Houston in the second half. Anybody in the Ravens FO watching?

That's where we suffer. Making in game adjustments. Offense and defense looks the same all game long 

[RavensDieHard21]

We truly need to have a commitment to one or two groups. If we want a dominant line and a more consistent offense then let's plan to trade back and grab Feeney or Eiflein. Then grab a John Ross or that back from Texas. We could then get Fuller from Baylor at center or even bundle some picks to move back up and grab best available corner. 

I'm contrast we could try to go after T. Williams or Barnett, then grab another rusher, such as Lawson or Watt. We could significantly bolster one group this year then add depth. I wouldn't even be mad grabbing a Quincy Wilson or Sidney Jonea then grabbing Desmond King and making him into a safety. We immediately will have a scary secondary. 

[Militant X 1]

On 1/14/2017 at 2:40 PM, ellicottraven said:

This used to be an exciting time in prior years. But after the last couple of years and seeing that all the strategy sessions didn't really help us become a winning franchise. So, while I'm hopeful for 2017, the leading indicators (retention of all the same coaches and the loss of Frazier and potentially Wagner and Williams) leaves me queasy. I believe in Steve, Ozzie and Eric but I'm not sure about Harbaugh and his performance this year. Will we see the same Harbs, Flacco and putrid offense? I am praying we don't but what's changed other than the timeline?

I believe so.  I'll stick to that until we see otherwise.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I really hope they can get their heads on straight and figure out how to proceed with free agents, the draft and replacing one of my most favorite players in SSS. They have to shore up the O-line get a real #1 WR and get a safety to really compliment Weddle and some serious depth and competition at CB so we can acctually have the very best 2 guys starting at CB.

[billiejean]

20 hours ago, Trevarski said:

Matt Ryan has the O.C I wish we had. Shanahan deserves a lot of the credit. Like Kubiak did for Flacco.

The guy would have been perfect for us and really the obvious choice.  Picking an offensive coordinator that specialized in the same offense in which our QB thrived in the year prior... well that just makes too much sense.  I kind of forget if we brought him in or not.  I feel like we were late and Atlanta had hired him before he got a chance to come here. 

[Tank 92]

18 minutes ago, billiejean said:

The guy would have been perfect for us and really the obvious choice.  Picking an offensive coordinator that specialized in the same offense in which our QB thrived in the year prior... well that just makes too much sense.  I kind of forget if we brought him in or not.  I feel like we were late and Atlanta had hired him before he got a chance to come here. 

The QB not withstanding, think about the weapons each team had. Where would you go?

[Crusader]

The last 4 years the Ravens are currently 5-12 in picks in top three draft picks, two are full time, two can hardly get on the field, and the other is most likely leaving.

[JamesA119]

Hope the Ravens brass got to watch Packers - Cowboys game. What a display of quarterbacking by both QBs especially Aaron Rodgers. And could you believe that the other QB is just a rookie.

[Ravens8383]

With all the talk about why the Ravens didn't change OC this offseason I got to thinking about a team we all love to hate, The Pittsburgh Steelers. Todd Haley became their OC in 2012 and things didn't start off too hot for them. I remember reading things about how the fans wanted him gone and blah blah blah. Now look at them. He was given time to build the offense in a way that would work for him and Roethlisberger. Sure they got lucky with some late round picks that turned into soild gold but the thing is he had time to find those picks and work with them. I think keeping Marty Mornhinweg is a smart choice because he has had time to work with the offense and get on the smae page as Joe and now gets an entire offseason to watch film and find guys that can step in and fill the gaps that are there.

[Crusader]

I would like to see where the Ravens draft picks stand against other teams since 2013.

[Chuckx999]

Keep Rick Wagner, Brandon Williams and fullback Kyle Juszczyk. Cut Flacco's pay to afford these guys and then the any additional cap money can go for 1-2 free agents. Then change the way you draft to offer additional picks to move up in the first three rounds and get players who can play NOW. Except for 3-4 player most of the Ravens picks since 2013 suck.

[The Mom Gene]

Hope the Ravens brass got to watch Packers - Cowboys game. What a display of quarterbacking by both QBs especially Aaron Rodgers. And could you believe that the other QB is just a rookie.

Both teams have a great O-Line. This isn't hard to see and understand.

[balfan23]

On 1/14/2017 at 1:04 PM, birdseye said:

All good points, but remember, we were 2 inches away from being a playoff team this year. We don't need to fill every hole but upgrading the Oline is, imo, the key to turning this offense around (along with a commitment the run game). The defense is 1 good cornerback away from being a playoff defense. if the offense turns itself around I'm confident the ravens will be a playoff team in the weak AFC. Certainly shouldn't be impossible to land a starting CB and C between free agency and the draft.

Also, John says he wants to have the best of everything, just typical coach speak.

I have to say I cringe a bit when I hear about being 2 inches from being a playoff team, when I think that takes some things for granted (like us doing what we've not been able to do in recent years and that is beat CIN on the road) .... One could state that we were only a couple plays away from being a 6-10 team as well. But I digress ...

My main point was that I was of the mind that picks 1 and 2 were almost guaranteed to be OLB/CB. The combinations of these statements about our O line and how our pass rush isn't really far off (which I find amazing), I may not be so surprised if we go with a higher than expected draft selection on the O line. 

[PersianRaven]

Maaaan, as much as I hate the Pats, I don't wanna see the Steelers make it to the SB. :-(

[RavensFanMania]

4 hours ago, balfan23 said:

I have to say I cringe a bit when I hear about being 2 inches from being a playoff team, when I think that takes some things for granted (like us doing what we've not been able to do in recent years and that is beat CIN on the road) .... One could state that we were only a couple plays away from being a 6-10 team as well. But I digress ...

My main point was that I was of the mind that picks 1 and 2 were almost guaranteed to be OLB/CB. The combinations of these statements about our O line and how our pass rush isn't really far off (which I find amazing), I may not be so surprised if we go with a higher than expected draft selection on the O line. 

If we had beaten the Steelers and lost to the bengals we would have still made the playoffs.

[Glen1024]

29 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

If we had beaten the Steelers and lost to the bengals we would have still made the playoffs.

Steelers beat the browns while resting guys the following week....Bengals win was no guarantee

[JamesA119]

  22 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

Hope the Ravens brass got to watch Packers - Cowboys game. What a display of quarterbacking by both QBs especially Aaron Rodgers. And could you believe that the other QB is just a rookie.

Both teams have a great O-Line. This isn't hard to see and understand.

So when you look at Rodgers and Flacco, the only difference you see is their Oline? You didn't notice how Rodgers played the Dallas defense like a fiddle. Quickening his snap count to cause them to commit illegal substitution, changing his cadence to draw them offsides. Flacco never does that.
How about that incredible throw; scrambling towards his left and nailed that throw. What is it about Rodgers' play that is reminiscent of Joe Flacco?

[Tank 92]

23 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

Hope the Ravens brass got to watch Packers - Cowboys game. What a display of quarterbacking by both QBs especially Aaron Rodgers. And could you believe that the other QB is just a rookie.

Yeah, especially against those great defensive efforts, huh.  Secondary play was pitiful on both sides. Looked like a college game.

Guessing what the Ravens brass noticed most was how having offensive weapons and great O line play can produce results.  I think they probably already knew how talented Rogers and Prescott are.   

[The Mom Gene]

1 hour ago, JamesA119 said:

So when you look at Rodgers and Flacco, the only difference you see is their Oline? You didn't notice how Rodgers played the Dallas defense like a fiddle. Quickening his snap count to cause them to commit illegal substitution, changing his cadence to draw them offsides. Flacco never does that.
How about that incredible throw; scrambling towards his left and nailed that throw. What is it about Rodgers' play that is reminiscent of Joe Flacco?

I didn't say that. Don't misinterpret what I said...but you do have to look there first. What else gives any QB time to "play the fiddle".

[Tank 92]

3 hours ago, PersianRaven said:

Maaaan, as much as I hate the Pats, I don't wanna see the Steelers make it to the SB. :-(

To be frank I'd much rather see the squealers go. Either won will lose to GB/Atlanta.

[The Mom Gene]

Just now, Tank 92 said:

To be frank I'd much rather see the squealers go. Either won will lose to GB/Atlanta.

GO PACK GO!