[News] Ravens Brass Hammering Out Offseason Blueprint At Steve Bisciotti's Home

[Zeus]

Bla bla bla, they posted the same thing last season and look at the result

[Adreme]

13 minutes ago, Zeus said:

Bla bla bla, they posted the same thing last season and look at the result

Yes they had one of the most successful offseasons and drafts in recent memory.  Certainly up there for best in franchise history.

[whobilly]

  37 minutes ago, Zeus said:

Bla bla bla, they posted the same thing last season and look at the result

Yes they had one of the most successful offseasons and drafts in recent memory.  Certainly up there for best in franchise history.

Based on Judon, Stanley, and Dixon? I'll give you those three are good players(good not great) but I want to see how the #2 and #3 picks turn out before I say it is one of the best in franchise history. The Reynolds pick at #6 looks like wash. Have to see if Chris Moore at #5 can do more than be a Special Teams guy.

[whobilly]

Matt Ryan has the O.C I wish we had. Shanahan deserves a lot of the credit. Like Kubiak did for Flacco.

He also has Julio Jones.

[Adreme]

21 minutes ago, whobilly said:

Based on Judon, Stanley, and Dixon? I'll give you those three are good players(good not great) but I want to see how the #2 and #3 picks turn out before I say it is one of the best in franchise history. The Reynolds pick at #6 looks like wash. Have to see if Chris Moore at #5 can do more than be a Special Teams guy.

Firstly Stanley has been a great pick and as many pointed out was graded as the top LT in football the last 6 weeks so he is looking like the LT of the next decade. 

Also Young and Pierce are part of that class as well getting you at least 5 starters out of this rookie class and we haven't gotten to see yet how our 3rd rounder plays because of an injury and how developmental 2nd rounder looks,after a fullong offseason.  So it's easily one of the best if not the best rookie class they have ever had.

Let's also note in free agency they got one of the best safeties and there top WR last season so that aspect was clearly successful.

If the Ravens come anywhere close to matching that success this offseason then you are looking at a powerhouse next year

[ellicottraven]

6 hours ago, bluehen said:

Well did Flacco actually get invited or not?

Seriously? That was for the fans' consumption with Steve attempting to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. First communicate to all that they are totally in partnership with Joe and 2 ward off the perception that Joe isn't a team player and is willing to go where and when he is needed regardless of criticism. There you go! As for actually inviting Joe? Come on man (ESPN imitation voice)!

[ellicottraven]

6 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

Excellent post. It's beginning to sound more and more like lip service. Every offseason they come out and sound really optimistic and yet almost every year we're a losing team.

I was just stating how I truly felt...

[Crusader]

They have to figure out the coaching staff since most of Johns eagle friends are going to the Bills.

[JamesA119]

  5 hours ago, The Greek said:

watching the falcons/seahawks and does anyone feel that our offense can be a scoring machine like atlanta with the combo of marty/roman? i have my reservations about it but time will tell

If we had Julio Jones, Devonte Freeman & Tevin Coleman.....instead we got Mike Wallace, Terrence West & Kenneth Dixon.....

On the one hand I understand what you are saying. On the other hand the Ravens FO is responsible for the players they have, from the QB to the WRs and RBs. One can say though that Julio Jones is in a class all by himself. The WRs closest to him could be Dez Bryant but not quite as explosive as Julio Jones. There's no WR on our roster that is like Julio or have the potential to be like him. Not sure if Perriman can ever get there.
There is no RB on our roster as explosive as theirs. If the Oline gets better enough to get Dixon in the open field consistently we will see special things from him.

[JamesA119]

  3 hours ago, Adreme said:

  3 hours ago, Zeus said:

Bla bla bla, they posted the same thing last season and look at the result

Yes they had one of the most successful offseasons and drafts in recent memory.  Certainly up there for best in franchise history.

Based on Judon, Stanley, and Dixon? I'll give you those three are good players(good not great) but I want to see how the #2 and #3 picks turn out before I say it is one of the best in franchise history. The Reynolds pick at #6 looks like wash. Have to see if Chris Moore at #5 can do more than be a Special Teams guy.

I have high hopes for Chris Moore. Something tells me that if he were drafted by the Steelers he would be great.

[JamesA119]

This brings me to an issue we see a lot especially with the WRs. We do not give our young WRs enough opportunities to play and develop chemistry with the starting QB. This was evident with Chris Moore last season. He seemed out sync with Flacco when he did get on the field. However you can see that he has a lot of potential. One just can't help feeling that what's missing are the preparation and repetition.

[sizzlingdoom]

Blueprint is easy to me (relatively

Let Williams, Aiken, and Juice leave....Aiken needs to leave.
Cut quite a few veterans/ under performers = 20+ mil in cap space
Sign Wagner. Lewis plays Guard. Draft a center in the 2nd or 3rd= our line is excellent and set for years
Sign Cyphrien. Bump Weddle to FS= our run game gets a lot better as well as FS play. That would be a stellar safety combo and Cyphrien won't break the bank
Draft a corner in the first=our secondary is set for years
SIgn a vet wr-(pryor,Wright, Jeffery) and draft on ein the 2nd or 3rd
Use 4th and 5ths on pass rushers

BOOM. We're set for February ball

[sizzlingdoom]

Blueprint is easy to me (relatively

Let Williams, Aiken, and Juice leave....Aiken needs to leave.
Cut quite a few veterans/ under performers = 20+ mil in cap space
Sign Wagner. Lewis plays Guard. Draft a center in the 2nd or 3rd= our line is excellent and set for years
Sign Cyphrien. Bump Weddle to FS= our run game gets a lot better as well as FS play. That would be a stellar safety combo and Cyphrien won't break the bank
Draft a corner in the first=our secondary is set for years
SIgn a vet wr-(pryor,Wright, Jeffery) and draft on ein the 2nd or 3rd
Use 4th and 5ths on pass rushers

BOOM. We're set for February ball

If we take care of that check list, I don't even think our coaching staff can screw things up

[sizzlingdoom]

Blueprint is easy to me (relatively

Let Williams, Aiken, and Juice leave....Aiken needs to leave.
Cut quite a few veterans/ under performers = 20+ mil in cap space
Sign Wagner. Lewis plays Guard. Draft a center in the 2nd or 3rd= our line is excellent and set for years
Sign Cyphrien. Bump Weddle to FS= our run game gets a lot better as well as FS play. That would be a stellar safety combo and Cyphrien won't break the bank
Draft a corner in the first=our secondary is set for years
SIgn a vet wr-(pryor,Wright, Jeffery) and draft on ein the 2nd or 3rd
Use 4th and 5ths on pass rushers

BOOM. We're set for February ball

Getting Cyphrien would improve our run D* that is, not game. Weddle is one of my favorite players, even before he came to the Ravens, but he just doesn't lay the boom at all. His tackling approach is basically the opposite of somebody like Kam Chancellor. That's fine if he makes the tackle, but he sure doesn't intimidate anybody. Wentz would confirm that. If we got Cyphrien, he's only average in coverage, but he's the best Run stopping safety in the league. That would improve our run D that much more, and Weddle can truly control the secondary from FS after parting with Webb. Then after drafting a CB in the first round ( which we will do, OR ELSE lol), then our secondary would go from a weakness to a massive strength and all 5 spots would be filled for years. I hope we don't count on Webb starting next year. Also it's hard to find an immediate starting FS from the draft or FA, that's another reason I like the Cyphrien Weddle combo. Makes sense for too many reasons to me. I know Jimmy staying healthy is a huge if, but I have faith. If we get King, Wilson, Tabor, or Jones at 16, cut Webb, and add Cyphrien, I think we would easily have a top 3 secondary.
Jimmy doesn't create turnovers, which really sucks. But I sincerely believe he's easily a top 10 cover corner when he's healthy. I'm thinking stats would back that up too. Jimmy+Tavon+ 1rst round BA CB......CMON OZZIE! let's fix this corner thing once and for all

[Halshayeji]

19 hours ago, balfan23 said:

I'm not sure that a 3rd round comp is going to move you very far up in the 1st round. From 15, it might get you to 12, but I'm hard pressed to see it move us more than that. Moving up in the 1st round, especially when moving up spots within the top 15, is normally very expensive. 

It could happen if there is a player that we grade as a tier 1 player is left on the board at around 12 and is the last in that tier AND there is a perceived major drop off between that player and the players in the next tier AND we have a degree of certainty that this player will be selected by the remaining teams in front of us AND our trade partner has a different evaluation of that player. 

I think we're open to the concept, but whether that scenario presents itself is probably less than a 50-50 proposition. More than likely, for us to make a significant play in this area, it will cost us our 2nd, which can be tough to swallow. 

Just stay at 15 or 16 and take the best player avaliable. A stud should fall to 15. I'm more interested in moving our second and the comp 3rd to move back into the first round. The dropoff from 30-45 is much greater than the dropoff from 11-16. That way we have 2 potential immediate starters and if they pan out we don't lose them in 4 years. We have a team friendly option that may have kept the likes of KO or B.Williams or Wagner.

[Rav'n Maniac]

We likely are going to receive a 3rd round comp pick for KO. Thoughts on packaging that pick and our #1 to move up to increase our odds of getting an impact player?

Based on the NFL draft value chart, our #1 and a 3rd round comp packaged together would allow us to move up approximately 2 spots, from #16 to #14.

[Rav'n Maniac]

Blueprint is easy to me (relatively

Let Williams, Aiken, and Juice leave....Aiken needs to leave.
Cut quite a few veterans/ under performers = 20+ mil in cap space
Sign Wagner. Lewis plays Guard. Draft a center in the 2nd or 3rd= our line is excellent and set for years
Sign Cyphrien. Bump Weddle to FS= our run game gets a lot better as well as FS play. That would be a stellar safety combo and Cyphrien won't break the bank
Draft a corner in the first=our secondary is set for years
SIgn a vet wr-(pryor,Wright, Jeffery) and draft on ein the 2nd or 3rd
Use 4th and 5ths on pass rushers

BOOM. We're set for February ball

Just curious as to why you want them to let Juice leave?

[whobilly]

  21 hours ago, whobilly said:

We likely are going to receive a 3rd round comp pick for KO. Thoughts on packaging that pick and our #1 to move up to increase our odds of getting an impact player?

Based on the NFL draft value chart, our #1 and a 3rd round comp packaged together would allow us to move up approximately 2 spots, from #16 to #14.

Good point. Just trying to figure out a way we could actually get an "Impact Player" for a change. I might be willing to package our #1 and #2 to move up but only if he is "That Guy". We don't need any additional roster fillers like Correa, Arthur Brown, and other whiffs from the #2 and #3 spots on the board.

[bozo]

they can keep those guys by having joe take a serious pay cut, and releasing some of those older not productive veterans, with big salaries.

[sizzlingdoom]

  19 hours ago, balfan23 said:

I'm not sure that a 3rd round comp is going to move you very far up in the 1st round. From 15, it might get you to 12, but I'm hard pressed to see it move us more than that. Moving up in the 1st round, especially when moving up spots within the top 15, is normally very expensive. 

It could happen if there is a player that we grade as a tier 1 player is left on the board at around 12 and is the last in that tier AND there is a perceived major drop off between that player and the players in the next tier AND we have a degree of certainty that this player will be selected by the remaining teams in front of us AND our trade partner has a different evaluation of that player. 

I think we're open to the concept, but whether that scenario presents itself is probably less than a 50-50 proposition. More than likely, for us to make a significant play in this area, it will cost us our 2nd, which can be tough to swallow. 

Just stay at 15 or 16 and take the best player avaliable. A stud should fall to 15. I'm more interested in moving our second and the comp 3rd to move back into the first round. The dropoff from 30-45 is much greater than the dropoff from 11-16. That way we have 2 potential immediate starters and if they pan out we don't lose them in 4 years. We have a team friendly option that may have kept the likes of KO or B.Williams or Wagner.

Even if it takes more picks I think we should definitely do that. We haven't been too great picking the second lately, and 2 first rounders would be HUGE. A cb and a DE/OLB or C or WR. Adding Desmond King and John Ross would add two big time plamakers to our team at areas of need. Who cares if we give up some extra picks. We been whiffing so much lately, it's not like we've been using them. Time to inject some spice and hunger into this team. Oddly enough, we struggled at special teams last year too, besides tuck obviously. Both of these guys can return kicks too. playmakers. I bet they would both be pretty amazing at covering kicks too, though it's not where you want 1rst rounders for the most part. I would love for nothing more too see us draft 2 first rounders this year. Esp since we've been whiffing on 2nd and 3rd rounders big time. Solomon Thomas and a CB would be shweeet too.

[Rav'n Maniac]

2 minutes ago, whobilly said:

Good point. Just trying to figure out a way we could actually get an "Impact Player" for a change. I might be willing to package our #1 and #2 to move up but only if he is "That Guy". We don't need any additional roster fillers like Correa, Arthur Brown, and other whiffs from the #2 and #3 spots on the board.

Agreed. Again based on the NFL draft value chart, our 1 and 2 together would get us in the top 10 to around #8. That's in range of a true impact player but like you said, it needs to be "That Guy".

[whobilly]

Blueprint is easy to me (relatively

Let Williams, Aiken, and Juice leave....Aiken needs to leave.
Cut quite a few veterans/ under performers = 20+ mil in cap space
Sign Wagner. Lewis plays Guard. Draft a center in the 2nd or 3rd= our line is excellent and set for years
Sign Cyphrien. Bump Weddle to FS= our run game gets a lot better as well as FS play. That would be a stellar safety combo and Cyphrien won't break the bank
Draft a corner in the first=our secondary is set for years
SIgn a vet wr-(pryor,Wright, Jeffery) and draft on ein the 2nd or 3rd
Use 4th and 5ths on pass rushers

BOOM. We're set for February ball

Agree. Williams a good solid player with a few great games. Aiken is a nice receiver/special teams guy. Let another team give him a little more money. Juice, good guy, good player but we need to play FASTER. I'd like to see us get the pass rushers in the earlier rounds. Need to start stocking up in that area as have to have someone step in for Jerrnigan when he gets way over paid by another team and bolts after the 2017 season.

[sizzlingdoom]

  12 minutes ago, whobilly said:

Good point. Just trying to figure out a way we could actually get an "Impact Player" for a change. I might be willing to package our #1 and #2 to move up but only if he is "That Guy". We don't need any additional roster fillers like Correa, Arthur Brown, and other whiffs from the #2 and #3 spots on the board.

Agreed. Again based on the NFL draft value chart, our 1 and 2 together would get us in the top 10 to around #8. That's in range of a true impact player but like you said, it needs to be "That Guy".

This is the one time I wouldn't move up with our 1. I think we can get "that guy" at 16 no matter what if we pick well. While also filling our biggest need. rare. I would bet 100$ at least 7 corners go in the first. And rightly so. Craziest talent at corner in a class that I've seen. King reminds a lot of Revis. I also like Jones, Wilson, and Tabor a lot. Plus there's at least 3 or 4 others. IMO, there will be a shut down/play making corner ava at 16. I think we should package other picks to move back into the first after 16 and add another play maker. A lot of talent in this class

[whobilly]

  10 hours ago, whobilly said:

Based on Judon, Stanley, and Dixon? I'll give you those three are good players(good not great) but I want to see how the #2 and #3 picks turn out before I say it is one of the best in franchise history. The Reynolds pick at #6 looks like wash. Have to see if Chris Moore at #5 can do more than be a Special Teams guy.

Firstly Stanley has been a great pick and as many pointed out was graded as the top LT in football the last 6 weeks so he is looking like the LT of the next decade. 

Also Young and Pierce are part of that class as well getting you at least 5 starters out of this rookie class and we haven't gotten to see yet how our 3rd rounder plays because of an injury and how developmental 2nd rounder looks,after a fullong offseason.  So it's easily one of the best if not the best rookie class they have ever had.

Let's also note in free agency they got one of the best safeties and there top WR last season so that aspect was clearly successful.

If the Ravens come anywhere close to matching that success this offseason then you are looking at a powerhouse next year

My bad. Forgot about T Young. Was just looking at the draft picks. Pierce was a undrafted FA and the Weddle and Wallace were solid signings. I referred to Stanley as good for now as I want to see them in the league for a few years before I anoint them as being great. With that said I still have the wait and see approach on our #2, #3, and #5 picks. I still believe Reynolds was a whiff at #6 and will be a practice squad guy at best.

[whobilly]

  20 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

  27 minutes ago, whobilly said:

Good point. Just trying to figure out a way we could actually get an "Impact Player" for a change. I might be willing to package our #1 and #2 to move up but only if he is "That Guy". We don't need any additional roster fillers like Correa, Arthur Brown, and other whiffs from the #2 and #3 spots on the board.

Agreed. Again based on the NFL draft value chart, our 1 and 2 together would get us in the top 10 to around #8. That's in range of a true impact player but like you said, it needs to be "That Guy".

This is the one time I wouldn't move up with our 1. I think we can get "that guy" at 16 no matter what if we pick well. While also filling our biggest need. rare. I would bet 100$ at least 7 corners go in the first. And rightly so. Craziest talent at corner in a class that I've seen. King reminds a lot of Revis. I also like Jones, Wilson, and Tabor a lot. Plus there's at least 3 or 4 others. IMO, there will be a shut down/play making corner ava at 16. I think we should package other picks to move back into the first after 16 and add another play maker. A lot of talent in this class

Good insight. Thanks.

[ByTheBay]

So take it with a grain of salt if you like but pff has the Ravens Oline ranked as 9th best in the league this year. So why is it that our fans, coaches and owner are constantly claiming we need to upgrade it so badly. If we retain Wagner, we only need to find a solid C and better depth. Is all of this negative attention just a way to shift blame from Flacco and the coaches? We all see that the line fell apart at times this season but that is pretty typical for all teams. Proof will be in the actions the FO takes. It is my belief that there will be minimal changes. i think we let Zuttah and Hurst go and bring in a new C either via draft or FA. Jensen is a good backup when running the ball so he stays. One developmental backup guy will be drafted after round 4 and a veteran backup type will be brought in through FA. So as you can see I am not sold on there being any drastic changes which would tell me there were other reasons for our issues this season. 

[ByTheBay]

20 hours ago, birdseye said:

All good points, but remember, we were 2 inches away from being a playoff team this year. We don't need to fill every hole but upgrading the Oline is, imo, the key to turning this offense around (along with a commitment the run game). The defense is 1 good cornerback away from being a playoff defense. if the offense turns itself around I'm confident the ravens will be a playoff team in the weak AFC. Certainly shouldn't be impossible to land a starting CB and C between free agency and the draft.

Also, John says he wants to have the best of everything, just typical coach speak.

I continue to hear fans say that we were a few inches away from making the playoffs. No, no were not. We still would have needed to beat CIN in cincy to end the season and even if we had something to fight that would have been FAR from a given. So please, please just stop. We were all lucky to have an exciting second half of the season because at the bye it looked like we had 0 chance. The AFCN was terrible this year and it made it fun but by no means were we a playoff ready team

[Derrel]

Pats on the ropes after the 1st half. Pats coaches make adjustments on offense and defense and blow out Houston in the second half. Anybody in the Ravens FO watching?

[Swift 1]

16 hours ago, The Greek said:

plus he is on a playoff team so he is pumped up

Shouldn't he give us back the million he stole? 

[The Greek]

12 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

On the one hand I understand what you are saying. On the other hand the Ravens FO is responsible for the players they have, from the QB to the WRs and RBs. One can say though that Julio Jones is in a class all by himself. The WRs closest to him could be Dez Bryant but not quite as explosive as Julio Jones. There's no WR on our roster that is like Julio or have the potential to be like him. Not sure if Perriman can ever get there.
There is no RB on our roster as explosive as theirs. If the Oline gets better enough to get Dixon in the open field consistently we will see special things from him.

i see dixon as more of a 3rd down specialist, 8-10 carries a game but a threat receiving. we need to draft a back like d'onti foreman out of texas. 6'0 238 bulldozer with speed. wear down defenses with him and west and let dixon do his thing. i believe we can get him in the 2nd rd. but may need to trade up a few spots. we need to pkg 4-7th rnd picks to acquire another 2nd or 3rd. this draft is cb and pass rush heavy so lets get some of the higher rated ones instead of the projects that get cut.