[News] Ravens Brass Hammering Out Offseason Blueprint At Steve Bisciotti's Home

[BR News]

Ozzie Newsome, John Harbugh, Dick Cass, Eric DeCosta and Pat Moriarty will convene in Florida for a weekend summit that will set the direction of the offseason.

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[whobilly]

We likely are going to receive a 3rd round comp pick for KO. Thoughts on packaging that pick and our #1 to move up to increase our odds of getting an impact player?

[Ravensfan3030]

Unfortunately I think Brandon is gone. Juice will be back. He played great this season and he really helped us in the run game, even on plays he ran himself. I don't think we would risk trading any draft picks higher than 3 this year, but it could happen. I'm really interested to see the coaching changes. Those changes may add to our draft strategy. Don't forget we had a bunch of CB's and WR's on IR this year that barely played.

[Crusader]

You just got to love the fact that the issues the Ravens have they act like it was not cause by their past decisions. "Ozzie has a good handel on" he better. I do think that is his job.

[The Greek]

We likely are going to receive a 3rd round comp pick for KO. Thoughts on packaging that pick and our #1 to move up to increase our odds of getting an impact player?

i am all for trading the 3rd rd comp pick and our 1st to move up but whoever the player is that would trigger such a trade would have to be researched to the end. would really set us back if that player ended up being another elam. it is always a crap shoot but the fo needs to hit a homerun with this draft.

[balfan23]

The comment “we are going to build an offensive line that is best in the league” sounds good, but I'm not exactly sure how they are going to go from where they were this year to being the best in the league. I mean, if everyone stays healthy and we retain Wagner, we are pretty good at best. To be the best or even approach it is going to require expending a lot of our available resources to make that happen. 

How we can do that and address getting a starter-worthy CB #2 (while also adding depth), replace SSS and improve at OLB/DE to generate something that resembles a pass rush is going to be quite a trick. Of course, the word is that we only need a complementary vet at WR and already have quality pass rushers on the roster (but are young players who have not reached their potential). I have a hard time buying that - especially the latter. 

I'm interested to know whether this comment is a virtual guarantee that Wagner is a keeper. It also wonder if it signals that we could select O line much higher in the draft that I anticipated. It is just really hard to fathom how we are going to achieve this claim while filling all the other holes. If we got an A grade for last year's off season, we're going to need another if we have any hopes of being a playoff team in 2017. 

[balfan23]

1 hour ago, whobilly said:

We likely are going to receive a 3rd round comp pick for KO. Thoughts on packaging that pick and our #1 to move up to increase our odds of getting an impact player?

I'm not sure that a 3rd round comp is going to move you very far up in the 1st round. From 15, it might get you to 12, but I'm hard pressed to see it move us more than that. Moving up in the 1st round, especially when moving up spots within the top 15, is normally very expensive. 

It could happen if there is a player that we grade as a tier 1 player is left on the board at around 12 and is the last in that tier AND there is a perceived major drop off between that player and the players in the next tier AND we have a degree of certainty that this player will be selected by the remaining teams in front of us AND our trade partner has a different evaluation of that player. 

I think we're open to the concept, but whether that scenario presents itself is probably less than a 50-50 proposition. More than likely, for us to make a significant play in this area, it will cost us our 2nd, which can be tough to swallow. 

[whobilly]

  1 hour ago, whobilly said:

We likely are going to receive a 3rd round comp pick for KO. Thoughts on packaging that pick and our #1 to move up to increase our odds of getting an impact player?

I'm not sure that a 3rd round comp is going to move you very far up in the 1st round. From 15, it might get you to 12, but I'm hard pressed to see it move us more than that. Moving up in the 1st round, especially when moving up spots within the top 15, is normally very expensive. 

It could happen if there is a player that we grade as a tier 1 player is left on the board at around 12 and is the last in that tier AND there is a perceived major drop off between that player and the players in the next tier AND we have a degree of certainty that this player will be selected by the remaining teams in front of us AND our trade partner has a different evaluation of that player. 

I think we're open to the concept, but whether that scenario presents itself is probably less than a 50-50 proposition. More than likely, for us to make a significant play in this area, it will cost us our 2nd, which can be tough to swallow. 

Good points.

[The Greek]

The comment “we are going to build an offensive line that is best in the league” sounds good, but I'm not exactly sure how they are going to go from where they were this year to being the best in the league. I mean, if everyone stays healthy and we retain Wagner, we are pretty good at best. To be the best or even approach it is going to require expending a lot of our available resources to make that happen. 

How we can do that and address getting a starter-worthy CB #2 (while also adding depth), replace SSS and improve at OLB/DE to generate something that resembles a pass rush is going to be quite a trick. Of course, the word is that we only need a complementary vet at WR and already have quality pass rushers on the roster (but are young players who have not reached their potential). I have a hard time buying that - especially the latter. 

I'm interested to know whether this comment is a virtual guarantee that Wagner is a keeper. It also wonder if it signals that we could select O line much higher in the draft that I anticipated. It is just really hard to fathom how we are going to achieve this claim while filling all the other holes. If we got an A grade for last year's off season, we're going to need another if we have any hopes of being a playoff team in 2017. 

i think they meant that getting rid of castillo has already made the o-line the best in the league. hehehe getting bigger and stronger at center is going to happen. if the price tag for wagner is 8+mill that some rumors are suggesting than i believe the fo will let him walk and alex lewis will possibly be moved there leaving us to draft or sign a free agent LG.

[birdseye]

The comment “we are going to build an offensive line that is best in the league” sounds good, but I'm not exactly sure how they are going to go from where they were this year to being the best in the league. I mean, if everyone stays healthy and we retain Wagner, we are pretty good at best. To be the best or even approach it is going to require expending a lot of our available resources to make that happen. 

How we can do that and address getting a starter-worthy CB #2 (while also adding depth), replace SSS and improve at OLB/DE to generate something that resembles a pass rush is going to be quite a trick. Of course, the word is that we only need a complementary vet at WR and already have quality pass rushers on the roster (but are young players who have not reached their potential). I have a hard time buying that - especially the latter. 

I'm interested to know whether this comment is a virtual guarantee that Wagner is a keeper. It also wonder if it signals that we could select O line much higher in the draft that I anticipated. It is just really hard to fathom how we are going to achieve this claim while filling all the other holes. If we got an A grade for last year's off season, we're going to need another if we have any hopes of being a playoff team in 2017. 

All good points, but remember, we were 2 inches away from being a playoff team this year. We don't need to fill every hole but upgrading the Oline is, imo, the key to turning this offense around (along with a commitment the run game). The defense is 1 good cornerback away from being a playoff defense. if the offense turns itself around I'm confident the ravens will be a playoff team in the weak AFC. Certainly shouldn't be impossible to land a starting CB and C between free agency and the draft.

Also, John says he wants to have the best of everything, just typical coach speak.

[CQ1]

I'd love to see that blueprint that was hammered out last year......and why the same hindering things kept going on and on throughout the season.
Can you brass please forward us fans the rough draft ? The fans who pay those ticket prices- that ARE going up, should at least get a copy.

[ellicottraven]

This used to be an exciting time in prior years. But after the last couple of years and seeing that all the strategy sessions didn't really help us become a winning franchise. So, while I'm hopeful for 2017, the leading indicators (retention of all the same coaches and the loss of Frazier and potentially Wagner and Williams) leaves me queasy. I believe in Steve, Ozzie and Eric but I'm not sure about Harbaugh and his performance this year. Will we see the same Harbs, Flacco and putrid offense? I am praying we don't but what's changed other than the timeline?

[JamesA119]

This used to be an exciting time in prior years. But after the last couple of years and seeing that all the strategy sessions didn't really help us become a winning franchise. So, while I'm hopeful for 2017, the leading indicators (retention of all the same coaches and the loss of Frazier and potentially Wagner and Williams) leaves me queasy. I believe in Steve, Ozzie and Eric but I'm not sure about Harbaugh and his performance this year. Will we see the same Harbs, Flacco and putrid offense? I am praying we don't but what's changed other than the timeline?

Excellent post. It's beginning to sound more and more like lip service. Every offseason they come out and sound really optimistic and yet almost every year we're a losing team.

[bluehen]

Well did Flacco actually get invited or not?

[RavensFanMania]

Well they need to get right down to it and hire an offensive line coach, qb coach and DB coach

[Hardhitters]

It's so clear that we were not blocking for Hester, we cut him because we couldn't block for him. So as a head coach that knows special teams Harbaugh failed once again.

[The Greek]

watching the falcons/seahawks and does anyone feel that our offense can be a scoring machine like atlanta with the combo of marty/roman? i have my reservations about it but time will tell

[CQ1]

Many offenses make it look fluid easy. Our offense has pretty much been difficult to watch and digest....that goes for most of the Super Bowl year as well.

[The Greek]

atlanta not taking the gas off the pedal. something to be learned by the ravens brass while in jupiter florida.

[whobilly]

It's so clear that we were not blocking for Hester, we cut him because we couldn't block for him. So as a head coach that knows special teams Harbaugh failed once again.

Was it Harbs fault that Hester let half the punts bounce in front of him and roll back an additional 20 yards?

[TheConquerorWorm]

watching the falcons/seahawks and does anyone feel that our offense can be a scoring machine like atlanta with the combo of marty/roman? i have my reservations about it but time will tell

If we had Julio Jones, Devonte Freeman & Tevin Coleman.....instead we got Mike Wallace, Terrence West & Kenneth Dixon.....

[JoeyFlex5]

8 hours ago, whobilly said:

We likely are going to receive a 3rd round comp pick for KO. Thoughts on packaging that pick and our #1 to move up to increase our odds of getting an impact player?

that decreases the odds considering you will barely move up with just that late 3rd and that takes one more pick away. 

after the top 10 the differences in odds of getting an impact player from pick to pick is equally a crapshoot pretty much until the 3rd, which is why so many players taken in the teens are outperformed by mid and late 2nd rounders.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Hardhitters said:

It's so clear that we were not blocking for Hester, we cut him because we couldn't block for him. So as a head coach that knows special teams Harbaugh failed once again.

or maybe hester realized this was his last shot so he decided to stop being such a complete boneheaded idiot while fielding punts?

[The Greek]

matt ryan deserves it if they win it all. he has been low key and has kept his name out of the spotlight like flacco has. glad to see that weasel pete carroll lose.

[The Greek]

  1 hour ago, Hardhitters said:

It's so clear that we were not blocking for Hester, we cut him because we couldn't block for him. So as a head coach that knows special teams Harbaugh failed once again.

or maybe hester realized this was his last shot so he decided to stop being such a complete boneheaded idiot while fielding punts?

plus he is on a playoff team so he is pumped up

[Hardhitters]

  1 hour ago, Hardhitters said:

It's so clear that we were not blocking for Hester, we cut him because we couldn't block for him. So as a head coach that knows special teams Harbaugh failed once again.

or maybe hester realized this was his last shot so he decided to stop being such a complete boneheaded idiot while fielding punts?

Naw, we just clearly didn't block for him on kickoffs, punts was another story but kickoffs we never helped him.

[Trevarski]

Kind of hard to say if we should trade up or down from 15 since we don't know what the board looks like.

[The Greek]

d'onta foreman out of texas would give the running game a boost. 6'1 238lbs. doubt he would fall to us in the 2nd unless we move up

Edited January 15 by The Greek

[Trevarski]

Matt Ryan has the O.C I wish we had. Shanahan deserves a lot of the credit. Like Kubiak did for Flacco.

[The Beak]

Coaching , Coaching, coaching, it takes coordinators with a solid foundation and the ability to coach players up to excel in the NFL. I know we are stuck with our staff at this point, but i personally love the Roman hire, he is 10x the play caller than Mwig is, no maybe we can hire a co def coordinator, ... Steve B is giving JH plenty of rope, let's hope johnny boy uses it to corral this team instead of hanging it...