[News] Late For Work 1/13: Top 5 Questions After Ravens' Coaching Shakeup

[ByTheBay]

1 hour ago, bioLarzen said:

There are always teams with enough cap space to go well above the average for players they deem worthy enough. That, somehow, seems to happen a lot with UFA' leaving Baltimore... Ellerbe, Grubbs, Torrey Smith, Art Jones, McPhee... the list is long. Wagner may just be the next instalment.

I guess I didn't realize how well known and respected Wagner is around the league for that to be the case. Williams I can see being our next FA to get paid to leave but Wagner has been good not great. It's true that anything can happen in FA when an underperforming team with a ton of cap space gets involved. It would be a shame to lose Wagner. I am hoping the only change on our oline is C and more depth

[bioLarzen]

  2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

There are always teams with enough cap space to go well above the average for players they deem worthy enough. That, somehow, seems to happen a lot with UFA' leaving Baltimore... Ellerbe, Grubbs, Torrey Smith, Art Jones, McPhee... the list is long. Wagner may just be the next instalment.

I guess I didn't realize how well known and respected Wagner is around the league for that to be the case. Williams I can see being our next FA to get paid to leave but Wagner has been good not great. It's true that anything can happen in FA when an underperforming team with a ton of cap space gets involved. It would be a shame to lose Wagner. I am hoping the only change on our oline is C and more depth

He doesn't have to be especially "legendary" :) to be overpaid. McPhee wasn't... Ellerbe wasn't. Torrey wasn't... Art Jones certainly wasn't... and yet, they all got severely overpaid.

[bioLarzen]

1 hour ago, RaRaRavens said:

LOL, that's true, and I'm not so sure Harbaugh is really into the idea of having Ed as a coach either. Has too much of an opinion for Harbs' liking.

So true

[bioLarzen]

53 minutes ago, merryjman said:

I agree - a good player doesn't often make a good coach.  I think Reed's four main assets as a player were his athleticism, passion, instincts and film study. The film study can help develop good instincts, but it's not like Reed can force his players to watch film at home, during off-days and in the off-season the way he and Ray Lewis used to - that takes passion! Reed can tell people to watch the QB's eyes carefully, but that's probably way easier said than done or else all the free safeties would be notching INTs like #20 used to.  

There's a very good article on this very subject at Baltimore Beatdown:

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/1/13/14259956/baltimore-beatdown-staffs-take-could-ed-reed-return-to-baltimore-as-a-dbs-coach

[mrc724]

Could have a very solid coaching staff next season.

I agree, Castillo saw the hand writing on wall. Frazier helped the rookie CB, what about the other CB's , he didn't help any of them improve. I hope whoever comes in is an upgrade. Lets get back to the Ravens way. If Castillo was so good, why didn't Andy Reid take him to KC. Castillo was all finesse, O Linemen need to be bully's, hope we draft big bully's. Lets say good bye to Zuttah.

[BiggMack91]

Could have a very solid coaching staff next season.

funniest thing I've heard all day

[mrc724]

Frazier is a big loss! The secondary played leaps and bounds better this year than last and i am sure he had a lot to do with it. IMO we should have let Pees go or moved him to a lesser role and promoted Frazier to DC but thats just me.

The UFA issue is something that happens every year in Balt. Wagner is good but not worth a big contract you just don't pay those players top dollar. They can move Alex Lewis to RT and look for a Guard in the Draft, interior lineman are easy to find in the mid rounds (KO 2nd, Yanda 3rd, Lewis 5th ect...)

Dennison absolutely needs to be brought in as the the QB coach.

Amen, someone needs to get Flacco, on track.

[BiggMack91]

  3 hours ago, TheKingFlip31 said:

Hire Ed Reed away as defensive backs coach and promote Chris Hewitt to lead the secondary.

Also, don't get why the pundits are saying the 2015 draft will be a worse draft for us....Perriman can develop, as can Maxx Williams, Boyle and Allen....My darkhorse pick for future pro bowler is Carl Davis

As huge an icon as Ed was as a player, and as much as we all know he knows his trade inside and out, the truth is that his stint as a coach in Buffalo hasn't been really great. Ed still has to prove he can be a good NFL coach - and I'm not sure it should be in Baltimore...

Also, I'm not at all sure he's really into the idea of coaching under Harbaugh...

he was coaching in buffalo this year with rex

[BiggMack91]

  3 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

  3 hours ago, RailBird said:

Although Williams is a beast, we already have a promising backup in Michael Pierce, so it would surprise me if the Ravens offer him a big contract. Trying to keep Wagner might be more realistic since good RTs are harder to find and we don't have a decent backup on the team to replace him.

Only place Williams is a beast is at the dinner table ,he is so overrated he makes some plays but he takes plays off and at times gets man handled by 1 on 1's with guys that are smaller than him

Apparently you know better than just about the complete NFL analyst and expert scene... Because the prevailing view on Brandon Williams is quite the opposite of yours...

you obviously didn't watch the steelers game where he got manhandled lol

[The Greek]

williams and wagner are gone unless both are willing to take less to stay here which is rare.

[krnraven]

Finally some good news. Happy to have Roman on board and hopefully Dennison is added as well. Bye Bye Castillo!!! I am glad he is gone. The Frazier loss hurts and but promoting Chris Hewitt is definitely not the answer!

[metalraven]

  7 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  7 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

  7 hours ago, RailBird said:

Although Williams is a beast, we already have a promising backup in Michael Pierce, so it would surprise me if the Ravens offer him a big contract. Trying to keep Wagner might be more realistic since good RTs are harder to find and we don't have a decent backup on the team to replace him.

Only place Williams is a beast is at the dinner table ,he is so overrated he makes some plays but he takes plays off and at times gets man handled by 1 on 1's with guys that are smaller than him

Apparently you know better than just about the complete NFL analyst and expert scene... Because the prevailing view on Brandon Williams is quite the opposite of yours...

you obviously didn't watch the steelers game where he got manhandled lol

ya dude. the last 4 games he was useless

[metalraven]

  8 hours ago, Chuckx999 said:

Pay Brandon Williams and right tackle Rick Wagner to keep them.

And how would you manage this cap-space wise?

lol. some fans think that the NFL is like Madden where you can turn the salary cap on or off.

[sizzlingdoom]

  16 hours ago, reed20 said:

Could have a very solid coaching staff next season.

funniest thing I've heard all day

seriously. LOL. WTH

[sizzlingdoom]

  18 hours ago, Chuckx999 said:

Pay Brandon Williams and right tackle Rick Wagner to keep them.

And how would you manage this cap-space wise?

Well for one, there'a bout 24 mil to easily clear if wanted from aging useless veterans.....CMON MAN. people and their Madden comments......smh. Not saying I wanna keep both but it could be done. I hope to keep Wag and I guess BWILL can go if he's gonna demand a bunch. Pierce can play NT

[#Nevermore]

Dennison would be a great addition. I like having some guys who have actually been OCs and understand the adjustments that need to be made during the game. Also not just veterans, but guys who have been good at their crafts. For that reason, Dennison, Roman and Marty should perform much better next year in making adjustments to what defenses are throwing at us.

We need to let Wagner and Williams walk. We have been consistently drafting good players along that D-line. Carl Davis, Jernigan, Pierce, Urban, Guy, Henry, Kafusi, and I'm sure more to come can make up that slack. I like Lewis at RT because I think we need to get bigger at LG and C to run better. They will bring comp picks next year anyway.

[Rav'n Maniac]

Dennison would be a great addition. I like having some guys who have actually been OCs and understand the adjustments that need to be made during the game. Also not just veterans, but guys who have been good at their crafts. For that reason, Dennison, Roman and Marty should perform much better next year in making adjustments to what defenses are throwing at us.

We need to let Wagner and Williams walk. We have been consistently drafting good players along that D-line. Carl Davis, Jernigan, Pierce, Urban, Guy, Henry, Kafusi, and I'm sure more to come can make up that slack. I like Lewis at RT because I think we need to get bigger at LG and C to run better. They will bring comp picks next year anyway.

You would let Wagner walk? By doing so at present, you would be letting the #1 top ranked free agent tackle in the NFL leave which creates another spot we have to fill with an unknown. Also, who knows if Lewis can even handle the RT position. Has anyone seen him perform there?

How much bigger of a left guard do you want? At 6'6" & 315 they don't come much bigger than Lewis.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

This could really go either way and IMHO the Ravens are set to deal with it and not come out any worse for ware.

Both are rated high among FA, but how many other options are there really? Both B.Will and Wagner played well but it's not like they are clearly the best at their position league wide. They will command reasonable contracts, not cheap but not milestone contracts either.

IF worse comes to worse, M Pierce looks to be a solid NT ready to step in and Alex Lewis was a Tackle in college and handled his business well. Filling some interior line for depth isn't asking too much.

Best case they retain both players with modest and fair contracts, that reward performance to keep that carrot dangling for motivation. If it comes down to keeping one, I pick B Williams. Who else is going to do the Carlton dance after beating the Steelers!

[MDguyCeCo]

instead of COACHING changes........
how about changes to the Scouting staff???? Ozzie???
Hello?
since Mosely... what other draft pic has showed up to play??? huh?
Beginning to think DeCOSTa staff could not draft a FART...
remember.... this is the same staff that recommended Cody.... Kindle......
how'd THEY work out???/ huh????

[#Nevermore]

On ‎1‎/‎14‎/‎2017 at 7:13 AM, Rav'n Maniac said:

You would let Wagner walk? By doing so at present, you would be letting the #1 top ranked free agent tackle in the NFL leave which creates another spot we have to fill with an unknown. Also, who knows if Lewis can even handle the RT position. Has anyone seen him perform there?

How much bigger of a left guard do you want? At 6'6" & 315 they don't come much bigger than Lewis.

Wagner is going to command too much money. I thought Wagner played solidly, but I wouldn't pay him at the top end. He is not dominant. Lewis can play the RT at a much cheaper price. He played LT while Stanley was out, I'm sure he can play right tackle. I'm not saying bigger than Lewis at LG, my assumption is Lewis would be at RT and we need to bring in a big LG.  

I think we can get Chance Warmack as a free agent and he would be good at the LG spot.

[RavenManiac#7]

  On 1/13/2017 at 10:48 AM, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

Williams is so overrated he's not worth top dollar and wagner getting north of 10 mill a year are you kidding me he's a right tackle not left tackle he's good but not top 10

I disagree with Williams being over rated. I think he stays if we offer an average salary of 8 mil or so. He won't make more than 10 anywhere he goes.

the Wagner part is just hillarious! I'd be dissapointed if the Ravens keep him for that price. Maybe around 5-6mil a year. Otherwise just let him walk. 

We lose Williams if all we offer him is 8 million and we lose Wagner if all we offer him is 6 million. Wagner would be missed more than Williams. Wagner leaves, we are needing both a center and a LG, IF Lewis can play RT. If Lewis stays at LG, we would ned a center and a RT. Any way you shake it, if Wagner leaves we need Two starters on the OL, not just a center. And that's not even speaking to upgrading our OL depth. Pierce is a good start to replace Williams. Williams is over-rated, unless his fade in the last 4 games was due to being double teamed every play. That IS possible because I think teams saw that we had no pass rush and Did start double and triple teaming Williams and/or Jernigan.

[Halshayeji]

3 hours ago, RavenManiac#7 said:

We lose Williams if all we offer him is 8 million and we lose Wagner if all we offer him is 6 million. Wagner would be missed more than Williams. Wagner leaves, we are needing both a center and a LG, IF Lewis can play RT. If Lewis stays at LG, we would ned a center and a RT. Any way you shake it, if Wagner leaves we need Two starters on the OL, not just a center. And that's not even speaking to upgrading our OL depth. Pierce is a good start to replace Williams. Williams is over-rated, unless his fade in the last 4 games was due to being double teamed every play. That IS possible because I think teams saw that we had no pass rush and Did start double and triple teaming Williams and/or Jernigan.

As much as I really like Williams and Wagner. I just don't see is offering them much more. I wouldn't mind it if they both get better offers and land us 2 nice comp picks the year after.

When it comes to Oline help. I think we need 2 quality vets that are ready to start when called upon regardless.

My issue isn't loosing Williams and Wagner. I'd have a bigger problem if we handled the situation the way we handled KO. We offered him 10 mil and then when he signed with someone else we just settled for a mid round pick to replace a pro bowler. Sure Lewis is awesome for what we paid for but he's definitely a step back from KO.

if we lose Williams because some other desperate team offers him 12 mil then please spend that 8 mil we saved on someone else in FA. Same goes with Wagner. If he doesn't accept the 6 mil we offer then offer it to someone who will instead of settling for more rookies starting on the OLine.

Edited January 18 by Halshayeji