[News] 'Significant' Draft Misses Have Set Ravens Back, But Steve Bisciotti Still Confident

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The Ravens haven’t gotten as much production out of some recent top picks as they would like, but Owner Steve Bisciotti is happy with last year’s class and thinks the Ravens still find a good amount of talent via the draft.

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[ArsenalRaven666]

Brandon Williams was drafted in the 3rd round not the second ... your own site states he was "selected by the Ravens in the third round (94th overall) of the 2013 NFL Draft"

[Crusader]

The future of the Ravens are riding on the next few drafts since they have little cap space with their "market" paid QB. Another reason I like SSS, when he got paid he never let off the gas peddle.

[whobilly]

The future of the Ravens are riding on the next few drafts since they have little cap space with their "market" paid QB. Another reason I like SSS, when he got paid he never let off the gas peddle.

So Ryan Fitzpatrick or EJ Manuel is the answer I'm guessing?

[whobilly]

We likely will be adding Correa to the list next year. A 2nd round pick who is a special teams player at best.

[No Cowbells]

Joe does not have good instincts. He has always had problems stepping up in the pocket (how many times have we seen James Harrison strip sack him coming around the edge). For years I’ve watched him wander into the D-line on unsuccessful QB-Sneaks. 9 years in the league and can’t run a sneak?

That said, if he has time and comfort in the pocket he can pick apart anybody (like the super bowl run when Bryant McKinnie got out of Harbaughs dog house long enough to start next to Osemele). This season he didn’t have space to step up. Add that to some trepidation about his blown knee and you have him checking down rather than extending the play. I believe it falls to Jeramy Zuttah. A stud center needs to be a draft goal.

I also believe Joe is collectible. He needs a QB whisperer like Kubiak (regardless if he likes him or not – for $120 mil. DO WHAT YOU’RE TAUGHT!). Is your QB coach and O coordinator combination at cross purposes? I hope Harbaugh understands the subtleties of the relationship.

[ellicottraven]

The future of the Ravens are riding on the next few drafts since they have little cap space with their "market" paid QB. Another reason I like SSS, when he got paid he never let off the gas peddle.

SSS is a total professional and among the top 10 receivers of the last 20 yrs or so. Joe hasn't reached SSS's level of achievement statistically speaking. Yes a big investment needs to be made to bring in anybody that can teach him how to read defenses, improve his accuracy, mechanics, movement in the pocket, etc. Most of these skills are intrinsic to good QBs, but it can be taught.

[jravens1313]

Ozzie is a great talent evaluator at every position except WR and QB imo. He doesn't know what to look for in those guys/hasn't drafted a Pro Bowler at those positions. I still have faith that Perriman can become a matchup nightmare, but he still has a long way to go. 

Edited January 12 by jravens1313

[sizzlingdoom]

Ozzie is a great talent evaluator at every position except WR and QB imo. He doesn't know what to look for in those guys/hasn't drafted a Pro Bowler at those positions.

What about Corner?

[sizzlingdoom]

  8 hours ago, Crusader said:

The future of the Ravens are riding on the next few drafts since they have little cap space with their "market" paid QB. Another reason I like SSS, when he got paid he never let off the gas peddle.

So Ryan Fitzpatrick or EJ Manuel is the answer I'm guessing?

What is that suppossed to mean? LOL nice argument. Bottom line is Joe played better than maybe 4 or 5 qbs in the league this year. There are only 2 qbs that have a higher annual salary. He needs to pick it up big time. And not a good signing by the front office. Discussion over

[sizzlingdoom]

We likely will be adding Correa to the list next year. A 2nd round pick who is a special teams player at best.

there are so many names to add to that list.

Matt Elam
Perriman
Arthur Brown
Upshaw
Cody
Ed Dickson
Kindle
Jah Reid
Brooks
Carl Davis
Maxx Williams
KC

All 1rst, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Not only are none of them even close to sniffing pro bowl talent, but most of them can't even contribute to a win or stay in the league. This is just the past 7 years. Coincidentally since Harbaugh put in his wonderful influence of drafting "high character and high IQ football players" GREAT. Don't know why this AWFUL staff is still "leading" the Ravens. It's discouraging at best. And yeah, awesome time to raise ticket prices. I laughed so hard out loud when I saw that and couldn't wait to read the comments

[RaRaRavens]

I have no doubt in my mind that Mr. Biscotti is doing everything in his best judgement to make this team succeed.

We the fans are always way more impatient than the ownership. That's probably the fundamental reason most of us would be crappy at running an NFL team. Cause we've seen what changing the FO every other year does to a team from Browns. 

That's why I was actually relieved by Biscotti's press conference. Despite his cool demeanor, it seemed he too was growing weary of the same recurring issues year after year. Now there should be at least a fire under Harbaugh&Co's collective arses.

That said, I don't have much fate that Harbaugh will change enough to save this team. I believe that the issues since our SB win have been more profound than not having good enough OC or being short a solid WR. Harbaugh's head coaching philosophy has led us to having a team of "safe" great character players, who are easy to coach for Harbaugh and won't question him, but also have relatively low ceiling and not much talent or passion (there are, of course, exceptions). We have not taken risks with talented players or "bad boys" or players who might have some character concerns but are fierce in their game. We have lost our edge, our competitiveness (especially now with Smith Sr. gone), our fire, our nastiness. 

This is just one manifestation of Harbaugh's coaching philosophy, but one of the most evident ones. And that won't most likely change as long as Harbaugh is the HC.

[sizzlingdoom]

I have no doubt in my mind that Mr. Biscotti is doing everything in his best judgement to make this team succeed.

We the fans are always way more impatient than the ownership. That's probably the fundamental reason most of us would be crappy at running an NFL team. Cause we've seen what changing the FO every other year does to a team from Browns. 

That's why I was actually relieved by Biscotti's press conference. Despite his cool demeanor, it seemed he too was growing weary of the same recurring issues year after year. Now there should be at least a fire under Harbaugh&Co's collective arses.

That said, I don't have much fate that Harbaugh will change enough to save this team. I believe that the issues since our SB win have been more profound than not having good enough OC or being short a solid WR. Harbaugh's head coaching philosophy has led us to having a team of "safe" great character players, who are easy to coach for Harbaugh and won't question him, but also have relatively low ceiling and not much talent or passion (there are, of course, exceptions). We have not taken risks with talented players or "bad boys" or players who might have some character concerns but are fierce in their game. We have lost our edge, our competitiveness (especially now with Smith Sr. gone), our fire, our nastiness. 

This is just one manifestation of Harbaugh's coaching philosophy, but one of the most evident ones. And that won't most likely change as long as Harbaugh is the HC.

GREAT post. I'm just worried that if we go 9-7 or so that would keep him around another couple years. I just hope we get back to our awesome ways, or have a dumpster year and get a new staff like we need, and a great pick. This mediocre stuff is the worst. Of course of all those, I prefer the awesome ways.....we'll see

[TheConquerorWorm]

I have no doubt in my mind that Mr. Biscotti is doing everything in his best judgement to make this team succeed.

We the fans are always way more impatient than the ownership. That's probably the fundamental reason most of us would be crappy at running an NFL team. Cause we've seen what changing the FO every other year does to a team from Browns. 

That's why I was actually relieved by Biscotti's press conference. Despite his cool demeanor, it seemed he too was growing weary of the same recurring issues year after year. Now there should be at least a fire under Harbaugh&Co's collective arses.

That said, I don't have much fate that Harbaugh will change enough to save this team. I believe that the issues since our SB win have been more profound than not having good enough OC or being short a solid WR. Harbaugh's head coaching philosophy has led us to having a team of "safe" great character players, who are easy to coach for Harbaugh and won't question him, but also have relatively low ceiling and not much talent or passion (there are, of course, exceptions). We have not taken risks with talented players or "bad boys" or players who might have some character concerns but are fierce in their game. We have lost our edge, our competitiveness (especially now with Smith Sr. gone), our fire, our nastiness. 

This is just one manifestation of Harbaugh's coaching philosophy, but one of the most evident ones. And that won't most likely change as long as Harbaugh is the HC.

Harbaugh has little to no impact on the players we draft.

And it doesn't take a genius to figure out after the Ray Rice, Pierce, Cody off-season that the OWNER not Harbaugh probably instructed Oz & company not to draft those "bad boy" players with domestic violence or drug problems.

What players are you talking about? Noah Spence, who did little to nothing this year and just had major shoulder surgery? Or are you still mad we didn't draft Tunsil to be our average LG (like he is on the Dolphins). Maybe you mean Dorial Green Beckham or Randy Gregory?

You've obviously never played football in the higher levels if you think for one second that any player drafted is not tough, talented or passionate.

It's a clown argument.....

[TheConquerorWorm]

  9 hours ago, whobilly said:

We likely will be adding Correa to the list next year. A 2nd round pick who is a special teams player at best.

there are so many names to add to that list.

Matt Elam
Perriman
Arthur Brown
Upshaw
Cody
Ed Dickson
Kindle
Jah Reid
Brooks
Carl Davis
Maxx Williams
KC

All 1rst, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Not only are none of them even close to sniffing pro bowl talent, but most of them can't even contribute to a win or stay in the league. This is just the past 7 years. Coincidentally since Harbaugh put in his wonderful influence of drafting "high character and high IQ football players" GREAT. Don't know why this AWFUL staff is still "leading" the Ravens. It's discouraging at best. And yeah, awesome time to raise ticket prices. I laughed so hard out loud when I saw that and couldn't wait to read the comments

Name another team that doesn't have as many if not more "busts".....

Again, learn the football business - the HC has little to no impact on the players we draft.

[sizzlingdoom]

  1 hour ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  9 hours ago, whobilly said:

We likely will be adding Correa to the list next year. A 2nd round pick who is a special teams player at best.

there are so many names to add to that list.

Matt Elam
Perriman
Arthur Brown
Upshaw
Cody
Ed Dickson
Kindle
Jah Reid
Brooks
Carl Davis
Maxx Williams
KC

All 1rst, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Not only are none of them even close to sniffing pro bowl talent, but most of them can't even contribute to a win or stay in the league. This is just the past 7 years. Coincidentally since Harbaugh put in his wonderful influence of drafting "high character and high IQ football players" GREAT. Don't know why this AWFUL staff is still "leading" the Ravens. It's discouraging at best. And yeah, awesome time to raise ticket prices. I laughed so hard out loud when I saw that and couldn't wait to read the comments

Name another team that doesn't have as many if not more "busts".....

Again, learn the football business - the HC has little to no impact on the players we draft.

Sounds good, I'll go through the first 3 rounds of 31 NFL teams of the last 7 years and check that for you. No I won't. But I would bet maybe half the teams half whiffed like we have the past 7 years, give or take a few teams. I'm not gonna waste my time and find out what teams, but we both know there are a handful of teams that have drafted significantly better than us the past 7 years. 7 years. Thats a long time. That's left us as a mediocre team. No way around that. Just wondering what happened to the "in ozzie we trust". Haven't heard that in about a decade.

" again, learn the business" LOL, ok tough guy! LOL You are the ignorant one if you think Harbaugh has had little to no impact on our drafting. Every franchise does it differently. lol wake up

[sizzlingdoom]

  1 hour ago, RaRaRavens said:

I have no doubt in my mind that Mr. Biscotti is doing everything in his best judgement to make this team succeed.

We the fans are always way more impatient than the ownership. That's probably the fundamental reason most of us would be crappy at running an NFL team. Cause we've seen what changing the FO every other year does to a team from Browns. 

That's why I was actually relieved by Biscotti's press conference. Despite his cool demeanor, it seemed he too was growing weary of the same recurring issues year after year. Now there should be at least a fire under Harbaugh&Co's collective arses.

That said, I don't have much fate that Harbaugh will change enough to save this team. I believe that the issues since our SB win have been more profound than not having good enough OC or being short a solid WR. Harbaugh's head coaching philosophy has led us to having a team of "safe" great character players, who are easy to coach for Harbaugh and won't question him, but also have relatively low ceiling and not much talent or passion (there are, of course, exceptions). We have not taken risks with talented players or "bad boys" or players who might have some character concerns but are fierce in their game. We have lost our edge, our competitiveness (especially now with Smith Sr. gone), our fire, our nastiness. 

This is just one manifestation of Harbaugh's coaching philosophy, but one of the most evident ones. And that won't most likely change as long as Harbaugh is the HC.

Harbaugh has little to no impact on the players we draft.

And it doesn't take a genius to figure out after the Ray Rice, Pierce, Cody off-season that the OWNER not Harbaugh probably instructed Oz & company not to draft those "bad boy" players with domestic violence or drug problems.

What players are you talking about? Noah Spence, who did little to nothing this year and just had major shoulder surgery? Or are you still mad we didn't draft Tunsil to be our average LG (like he is on the Dolphins). Maybe you mean Dorial Green Beckham or Randy Gregory?

You've obviously never played football in the higher levels if you think for one second that any player drafted is not tough, talented or passionate.

It's a clown argument.....

Thats one smart clown then.
Harbaugh obviously has a say in player personel and drafting. How big that say is, none of us know. But to say he's not involved is laughable.
And yes, Green Beckam and Gregory are exactly who we wanted ???LOL I love it how you do that. lol. Your arguments actually make me laugh out loud, even at work. I thank you for that
And oooooo, there's the big tough guy again- " You've obviously never played football in the higher levels if......" HAHAHAHA , dam, I didn't know you were that tough. HAHAHAHA wow

[RaRaRavens]

39 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Harbaugh has little to no impact on the players we draft.

And it doesn't take a genius to figure out after the Ray Rice, Pierce, Cody off-season that the OWNER not Harbaugh probably instructed Oz & company not to draft those "bad boy" players with domestic violence or drug problems.

What players are you talking about? Noah Spence, who did little to nothing this year and just had major shoulder surgery? Or are you still mad we didn't draft Tunsil to be our average LG (like he is on the Dolphins). Maybe you mean Dorial Green Beckham or Randy Gregory?

You've obviously never played football in the higher levels if you think for one second that any player drafted is not tough, talented or passionate.

It's a clown argument.....

Ofcourse Harbaugh has impact on the draft, otherwise he would not be in the war room on draft day. Oz makes the final decision, but his decision is strongly impacted by the opinion of HC and the way the HC wants to run this team. Stop being stupid in front of everyone.

 

As to the players drafted, not once did I say that we should pick wife beaters, drug addicts or convicted felons. I don't even mean that we have to draft drama queens like OBJ. What I did indicate was that we have too often skipped a very talented game changing player, because Harbaugh had "character concerns". These players had no criminal past, but they were uncomfortable for Harbaugh, because they might think too much and express their different opinions the way Ed Reed did. Harbaugh doesn't want that, he wants conveniently docile players. That means, unfortunately, a lack of any kind of passion or competitiveness. 

[sizzlingdoom]

  1 hour ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Harbaugh has little to no impact on the players we draft.

And it doesn't take a genius to figure out after the Ray Rice, Pierce, Cody off-season that the OWNER not Harbaugh probably instructed Oz & company not to draft those "bad boy" players with domestic violence or drug problems.

What players are you talking about? Noah Spence, who did little to nothing this year and just had major shoulder surgery? Or are you still mad we didn't draft Tunsil to be our average LG (like he is on the Dolphins). Maybe you mean Dorial Green Beckham or Randy Gregory?

You've obviously never played football in the higher levels if you think for one second that any player drafted is not tough, talented or passionate.

It's a clown argument.....

Ofcourse Harbaugh has impact on the draft, otherwise he would not be in the war room on draft day. Oz makes the final decision, but his decision is strongly impacted by the opinion of HC and the way the HC wants to run this team. Stop being stupid in front of everyone.

 

As to the players drafted, not once did I say that we should pick wife beaters, drug addicts or convicted felons. I don't even mean that we have to draft drama queens like OBJ. What I did indicate was that we have too often skipped a very talented game changing player, because Harbaugh had "character concerns". These players had no criminal past, but they were uncomfortable for Harbaugh, because they might think too much and express their different opinions the way Ed Reed did. Harbaugh doesn't want that, he wants conveniently docile players. That means, unfortunately, a lack of any kind of passion or competitiveness. 

Amen

[JonnyBaltimore]

3 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

there are so many names to add to that list.

Matt Elam
Perriman
Arthur Brown
Upshaw
Cody
Ed Dickson
Kindle
Jah Reid
Brooks
Carl Davis
Maxx Williams
KC

All 1rst, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Not only are none of them even close to sniffing pro bowl talent, but most of them can't even contribute to a win or stay in the league. This is just the past 7 years. Coincidentally since Harbaugh put in his wonderful influence of drafting "high character and high IQ football players" GREAT. Don't know why this AWFUL staff is still "leading" the Ravens. It's discouraging at best. And yeah, awesome time to raise ticket prices. I laughed so hard out loud when I saw that and couldn't wait to read the comments

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/draft.htm

You can't just selectively put names on the board as busts without comparing which team you are comparing our draft history to. Which teams do you think drafted better than us? Go look at New Englands draft history--especially early rounds.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/draft.htm

 

The only real miss I see on the list is Matt Elam as he was a 1st round pick--albeit he was pretty much a second round pick (32nd). Ozzie has pretty much nailed our first round picks if you go back. Upshaw was no stud, but he was a serviceable 2nd rounder. Same as Dickson. Davis, Williams, KC, Perriman--way too early to determine.

 

[Purple Dawg 96]

Draft picks have nothing to do with why the Ravens are not in the playoffs! The Ravens have a birds eye for talent and are respected around the league in doing so! Wish they get some Ohio State Buckeyes tho Lol but If you question Ozzie and Co. "KICK ROCKS" please! I know one position that needs to be upgraded and we wouldn't have these problems!

[sizzlingdoom]

  3 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

there are so many names to add to that list.

Matt Elam
Perriman
Arthur Brown
Upshaw
Cody
Ed Dickson
Kindle
Jah Reid
Brooks
Carl Davis
Maxx Williams
KC

All 1rst, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Not only are none of them even close to sniffing pro bowl talent, but most of them can't even contribute to a win or stay in the league. This is just the past 7 years. Coincidentally since Harbaugh put in his wonderful influence of drafting "high character and high IQ football players" GREAT. Don't know why this AWFUL staff is still "leading" the Ravens. It's discouraging at best. And yeah, awesome time to raise ticket prices. I laughed so hard out loud when I saw that and couldn't wait to read the comments

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/draft.htm

You can't just selectively put names on the board as busts without comparing which team you are comparing our draft history to. Which teams do you think drafted better than us? Go look at New Englands draft history--especially early rounds.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/draft.htm

 

The only real miss I see on the list is Matt Elam as he was a 1st round pick--albeit he was pretty much a second round pick (32nd). Ozzie has pretty much nailed our first round picks if you go back. Upshaw was no stud, but he was a serviceable 2nd rounder. Same as Dickson. Davis, Williams, KC, Perriman--way too early to determine.

 

Sorry, I strongly disagree. I did look at NE. They picked multiple pro bowlers in the first over that span while moving down almost every single year and picking up extra 2nds and 3rds. I'm not comparing to anyone either. I understand a lot of teams whiff. I don't care about other teams. I hold our team to higher standard than just about every team in the league. Why would I compare our franchise to the browns and jags and such. Plus, there really aren't that many crappy franchises anymore. I just expect us to draft better. I think all of us do, even Mr. Biscotti. And it's just brutal how bad we've been for years now, and whatever it takes, we need to turn that around. It's also frustrating because not only are we missing so often now, but we've also changed our whole philosophy and the types of guys we go after. Mormans and math geniuses, instead of "live and breathe football, knock your teeth out and take the W at all cost types". BIG difference. And it's shown up. Teams are built are 1rst-3rd round draft picks. I think we'll all agree we'll never compete at the level we all want to while missing that often in those rounds, especially combined with our inept coaching that's taken place for years. It's never too late, and it's definitely possible we could turn things around next year. There are just a ton of us that have lost faith in the coaching staff. Hopefully they prove us wrong. I don't see it though. I think we need a new staff and a year or two to get back to where we want to be. A good place to start might be releasing our 13 million stud-Wright. LIterally made me embarrassed he was on our Defense. And it's not his fault. The guy was trying, but he is not any good. Not even good enough for the 9ers-they cut him. Those kind of decisions are Harbaugh's and Ozzie's

[sizzlingdoom]

Draft picks have nothing to do with why the Ravens are not in the playoffs! The Ravens have a birds eye for talent and are respected around the league in doing so! Wish they get some Ohio State Buckeyes tho Lol but If you question Ozzie and Co. "KICK ROCKS" please! I know one position that needs to be upgraded and we wouldn't have these problems!

Really? We've been SO bad at drafting for a while. How on earth can that have nothing to do with us missing the playoffs?

[sizzlingdoom]

  4 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

there are so many names to add to that list.

Matt Elam
Perriman
Arthur Brown
Upshaw
Cody
Ed Dickson
Kindle
Jah Reid
Brooks
Carl Davis
Maxx Williams
KC

All 1rst, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Not only are none of them even close to sniffing pro bowl talent, but most of them can't even contribute to a win or stay in the league. This is just the past 7 years. Coincidentally since Harbaugh put in his wonderful influence of drafting "high character and high IQ football players" GREAT. Don't know why this AWFUL staff is still "leading" the Ravens. It's discouraging at best. And yeah, awesome time to raise ticket prices. I laughed so hard out loud when I saw that and couldn't wait to read the comments

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/draft.htm

You can't just selectively put names on the board as busts without comparing which team you are comparing our draft history to. Which teams do you think drafted better than us? Go look at New Englands draft history--especially early rounds.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/draft.htm

 

The only real miss I see on the list is Matt Elam as he was a 1st round pick--albeit he was pretty much a second round pick (32nd). Ozzie has pretty much nailed our first round picks if you go back. Upshaw was no stud, but he was a serviceable 2nd rounder. Same as Dickson. Davis, Williams, KC, Perriman--way too early to determine.

 

And how on earth can you say Elam is the only miss?????

Elam-obvious miss, directly cost us a chance at a ring with his inability to tackle
KC- early yes, but a lot of us think he looks like our next Arthur Brown. Or maybe he'll be good enough to play special teams eventually
Maxx Williams was a second rounder we traded up for- ZERO production
Brooks- ZERO production and cut
Carl Davis-ZERO production
Jah Reid- ZERO production
Ed Dickson- caught a couple passes but had awful hands and not much production at all
Perriman- still early but never should've been picked in the first. I got in trouble at woodstocks when they picked him cuz I spit Beer on the TV in disbelief- on accident.
Arthur Brown- Zero production after what, 4 years? think we traded up for him too
Upshaw- you're telling me we spent a high second on someone hoping that all he could do is be a situational run stopper, I dont think so
Cody- bust
Kindle-bust, albeit through injury I believe, the stair accident I think

How is Elam the only miss on that list?

[Glen1024]

3 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Name another team that doesn't have as many if not more "busts".....

Again, learn the football business - the HC has little to no impact on the players we draft.

But the head coach has a huggge impact on the development of those players.....Ozzie has an extensive track record including building 2 super bowl championship teams....what's harbaughs record developing talent?

[sizzlingdoom]

  3 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Name another team that doesn't have as many if not more "busts".....

Again, learn the football business - the HC has little to no impact on the players we draft.

But the head coach has a huggge impact on the development of those players.....Ozzie has an extensive track record including building 2 super bowl championship teams....what's harbaughs record developing talent?

Great Point

[good_n_purple]

We likely will be adding Correa to the list next year. A 2nd round pick who is a special teams player at best.

Frustratingly he hasn't even done that! I mean really? The playbook is too big for him? Ugh...I would love to know if the success rate of the scouts who push these picks is looked at. If the someone advocates for a loser after loser maybe he should be seeking opportunities outside of the Ravens organization. Accountability is good.

[good_n_purple]

  12 hours ago, whobilly said:

  13 hours ago, Crusader said:

The future of the Ravens are riding on the next few drafts since they have little cap space with their "market" paid QB. Another reason I like SSS, when he got paid he never let off the gas peddle.

So Ryan Fitzpatrick or EJ Manuel is the answer I'm guessing?

What is that suppossed to mean? LOL nice argument. Bottom line is Joe played better than maybe 4 or 5 qbs in the league this year. There are only 2 qbs that have a higher annual salary. He needs to pick it up big time. And not a good signing by the front office. Discussion over

There is no doubt Flacco has vastly underperformed his contract. I have no idea how those names pooped out. Perhaps to demonstrate the futility of acquiring QB talent. Lets face it though. Joe is not willing to put in the work to become "great". We have heard time after time since his super bowl year how he refuses coaching. Joe seems to be more interested in adding to his family than watching film, doing the reps, and most of all listening to his coaches.

[sizzlingdoom]

  13 hours ago, whobilly said:

We likely will be adding Correa to the list next year. A 2nd round pick who is a special teams player at best.

Frustratingly he hasn't even done that! I mean really? The playbook is too big for him? Ugh...I would love to know if the success rate of the scouts who push these picks is looked at. If the someone advocates for a loser after loser maybe he should be seeking opportunities outside of the Ravens organization. Accountability is good.

I was screaming for Sterling so bad with that pick! Spence would've been awesome too. It'd Be nice to have him going into this year- 5.5 sacks and 3 ff in limited time this year. It'd be one thing if we were drafting average-good players with these picks, but we're getting nothing out of many of them for years now. It's a bummer to say the least

[good_n_purple]

  12 hours ago, whobilly said:

We likely will be adding Correa to the list next year. A 2nd round pick who is a special teams player at best.

there are so many names to add to that list.

Matt Elam
Perriman
Arthur Brown
Upshaw
Cody
Ed Dickson
Kindle
Jah Reid
Brooks
Carl Davis
Maxx Williams
KC

All 1rst, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Not only are none of them even close to sniffing pro bowl talent, but most of them can't even contribute to a win or stay in the league. This is just the past 7 years. Coincidentally since Harbaugh put in his wonderful influence of drafting "high character and high IQ football players" GREAT. Don't know why this AWFUL staff is still "leading" the Ravens. It's discouraging at best. And yeah, awesome time to raise ticket prices. I laughed so hard out loud when I saw that and couldn't wait to read the comments

Ha! Man...it looks bad when you line them all up. Remember Dan Cody? I think we just scratch all "Cody's" off the draft list.