[News] Late For Work 1/11: Is Joe Flacco Holding Ravens Back? Steve Smith Vehemently Defends His QB

[metalraven]

23 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Define lately? I think if you asked most NFL teams, "lately" wouldn't be a 1-2 year window. That's like saying the Seattle Seahawks haven't won a SB "lately".

Let me rephrase that statement: "We haven't been there much." Better?  In 4 years, we've been once. This is the Ravens. The bar of high expectations was set a long time ago - that bar has not been met..."lately." And comparing the frequency in which a team makes the playoffs to how often a team reaches the super bowl is quite silly.

[metalraven]

23 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

That's on a game to game, week to week case. There were games where I think we did abandon the run (Redskins for example), and there were other games, like Dallas for example, where the boxscore says we didn't run it enough, yet you'd have a hard time naming maybe 1-2 more plays the entire game where running the ball was more effective. 

I think if you'd have seen us be more effective running the ball, especially earlier in the season, you'd have seen us run it more.

I want to fix the quality before I fix the quantity.

Well, I guess it was a lose/lose scenario. Clearly throwing the ball more than running didn't do us any good. So which is it? Ineffective run game or ineffective pass game? That's precisely why balance is needed. The imbalance of the offense was incredibly disgusting, and resulted in many losses. You simply CANNOT do that with Joe Flacco throughout an entire season. He ain't that guy. Never has been, never will be. The results are obvious.

[RavenROC]

Joe's contract is holding the Ravens back.

 

He's never had consistency nor the big play receivers his arm deserves, that is all true, but when you're paid like you're a top 5 QB you need to be able to make it happen with less and Joe simply can't. His contract prevents them from putting the pieces in play around him he needs. If you need those things you shouldn't get the contract he got. Twice.

 

The consistency with which we threw a short pass on 3rd and long, not even just this year is infuriating. The receiving corps need to be better; running better routes and making more plays (Aiken, a possession receiver has a sub-60% catch rate the past 2 seasons complaining why he isn't getting the ball). The offensive line can't give him enough time and keep him clean, and he's paid too much to fix any of it in a meaningful way.

[Chuckx999]

Flacco has to think to much, blame it on the coaches. Thats just plain BULL. They guy has to much money now to care. Trade or cut him. His poor passes, interceptions get the offence off the field after just three plays, other team scores, Flacco goes out for just three more plays and that cycle doesn't seem to end week for week. He just hasn't got it any more.
Look at Tom Brady or Big Ben. I don't care who's on the field with them, they fight every play to WIN. Flacco just walks off and gives you that "so what, who cars" look.
Bite the bullet and let him go!!!!!!!

[RavenROC]

1 hour ago, Chuckx999 said:

Flacco has to think to much, blame it on the coaches. Thats just plain BULL. They guy has to much money now to care. Trade or cut him. His poor passes, interceptions get the offence off the field after just three plays, other team scores, Flacco goes out for just three more plays and that cycle doesn't seem to end week for week. He just hasn't got it any more.
Look at Tom Brady or Big Ben. I don't care who's on the field with them, they fight every play to WIN. Flacco just walks off and gives you that "so what, who cars" look.
Bite the bullet and let him go!!!!!!!

Thisssssss

 

He's good enough to be a starter in this league. If you swapped him and Dak Prescott right now he'd have a career year and likely win the superbowl. But his contract prevents him having the tools around him like Dallas has for Dak and he can't function without it. Something has to be done if we want to get back to a superbowl.

[Swift 1]

On 1/11/2017 at 11:09 AM, Raven1995 said:

Preston's got to sell papers. He lines Harbaugh, Ozzie and Joe up and runs them over with a bus.

I really don't understand how that sells papers. Doesn't he know how many awards John Stedman received?

Edited January 14 by Swift 1
poor spelling or typing LOL

[Swift 1]

On 1/11/2017 at 11:17 AM, billiejean said:

how many quarterbacks in the league are as capable as Brady, Manning and Rodgers?

Three.

Brady Manning and Rodgers LOL

[balfan23]

2 hours ago, Chuckx999 said:

Flacco has to think to much, blame it on the coaches. Thats just plain BULL. They guy has to much money now to care. Trade or cut him. His poor passes, interceptions get the offence off the field after just three plays, other team scores, Flacco goes out for just three more plays and that cycle doesn't seem to end week for week. He just hasn't got it any more.
Look at Tom Brady or Big Ben. I don't care who's on the field with them, they fight every play to WIN. Flacco just walks off and gives you that "so what, who cars" look.
Bite the bullet and let him go!!!!!!!

Good idea ... except for one tiny detail. 

Making this move will create a $23M hit to the cap. We'd need to cut everyone currently on our roster who would present a cap savings and then fill out the 53 man roster with minimum wage players. Forget retaining any FAs or bringing anyone of note in. Oh yeah, and lets not forget, we won't have a QB on the roster. So I guess we just go draft any random 4th rounder and that guy will magically look like the 2016 Dak (with absolutely no team around him).

That's quite a bullet to bite. 

Complain and say that Flacco isn't living up to his contract.. You could even demand that we bench him. At least those items may be worthy of debate. But please, stop throwing out this option, because it is not an option. 

Save this post for the 2018 offseason, if our situation remains the same. Until then, just stop it. 

[JoeyFlex5]

its amazing that people are so unwilling to take into account all of these things that sr. just listed. anyone with half a brain has been pointing these things out all season long, and for a while there everyone was quiet because flacco was playing well, could it be maybe because he was finally getting comfortable in his new system, with his knee finally feeling healthy, playing behind an offensive line who finally had 4 out of 5 starters? but its funny, when flacco was finally able to get comfortable and he starts playing the way we have come to expect, all it takes is a DEFENSIVE meltdown and MULTIPLE DROPPED TD PASSES PERFECTLY DELIVED BY FLACCO to make everyone turn around and blame flacco again. 

dropped passes - flaccos a bum, cut him. 

sacked before he can finish his drop - flaccos a bum, cut him. 

defense melts down in the 4th and blows all of the leads joe gives us - flaccos a bum, cut him. 

flacco doesnt play well while playing behind a patchwork line with a torn ACL - hes a bum, cut him. 

flacco didnt immediately mesh with his 5th oc in 4 years - hes a bum, cut him. 

ignoring this massive collection of reasons as to why joe could be struggling, all to say that we should eat 20+ million on the cap over the next 2 years PURELY OUT OF SPITE because some crybaby illogical fans have no sense of patience or football knowledge.

heres some of that aforementioned football knowledge thats lacking... its a team sport, qb's cost a lot, and when youre paying your qb and the team around him is falling apart(mind you, not due to his contract, but more due to injuries and coach-poaching) then that qb will struggle. injured qbs playing behind injured offensive lines shouldnt be leading the league in passing attempts, qbs cant throw from their backs, well placed dropped passes arent the qbs fault, and qbs cant just pick up any system and take off with it. its really simple people, common football knowledge, the most basic aspect of this sport, and you all are completely blind to it.

[JoeyFlex5]

21 hours ago, Chuckx999 said:

Flacco has to think to much, blame it on the coaches. Thats just plain BULL. They guy has to much money now to care. Trade or cut him. His poor passes, interceptions get the offence off the field after just three plays, other team scores, Flacco goes out for just three more plays and that cycle doesn't seem to end week for week. He just hasn't got it any more.
Look at Tom Brady or Big Ben. I don't care who's on the field with them, they fight every play to WIN. Flacco just walks off and gives you that "so what, who cars" look.
Bite the bullet and let him go!!!!!!!

lol big ben? 

have you seen him for large chunks of every season? i mean for a good month and a half the steelers were spiraling out of control because roethlisberger was playing pretty bad, and it happens to him for stretches every year. he gets in slumps where he sails passes way over everyones heads, he tries to extend plays and ends up throwing picks and lofting balls up into center field. but i guess he gets the benefit of the doubt and people are ok with blaming the injury for him, or blaming a lack of leveon bell in the first month, but for flacco thats just out of the question, no excuses for him(even though he has plenty more excuses than ben has). lets also not factor in that ben is playing with an excellent OL, maybe the best WR in the game, a top 3 RB, and has been comfortably in the same system for about 4-5 years now, yeah lets just ignore all of that. 

and hey, flacco had that same "who cares" look when he carried us to a super bowl win and dominated teams that we supposedly had no chance against. a look on a players face doesnt dictate their ability nor does it even begin to explain the circumstances around him.

[Swift 1]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

its amazing that people are so unwilling to take into account all of these things that sr. just listed. anyone with half a brain has been pointing these things out all season long, and for a while there everyone was quiet because flacco was playing well, could it be maybe because he was finally getting comfortable in his new system, with his knee finally feeling healthy, playing behind an offensive line who finally had 4 out of 5 starters? but its funny, when flacco was finally able to get comfortable and he starts playing the way we have come to expect, all it takes is a DEFENSIVE meltdown and MULTIPLE DROPPED TD PASSES PERFECTLY DELIVED BY FLACCO to make everyone turn around and blame flacco again. 

dropped passes - flaccos a bum, cut him. 

sacked before he can finish his drop - flaccos a bum, cut him. 

defense melts down in the 4th and blows all of the leads joe gives us - flaccos a bum, cut him. 

flacco doesnt play well while playing behind a patchwork line with a torn ACL - hes a bum, cut him. 

flacco didnt immediately mesh with his 5th oc in 4 years - hes a bum, cut him. 

ignoring this massive collection of reasons as to why joe could be struggling, all to say that we should eat 20+ million on the cap over the next 2 years PURELY OUT OF SPITE because some crybaby illogical fans have no sense of patience or football knowledge.

heres some of that aforementioned football knowledge thats lacking... its a team sport, qb's cost a lot, and when youre paying your qb and the team around him is falling apart(mind you, not due to his contract, but more due to injuries and coach-poaching) then that qb will struggle. injured qbs playing behind injured offensive lines shouldnt be leading the league in passing attempts, qbs cant throw from their backs, well placed dropped passes arent the qbs fault, and qbs cant just pick up any system and take off with it. its really simple people, common football knowledge, the most basic aspect of this sport, and you all are completely blind to it.

You forgot the part where three or four 300 hundred pounders are in his face so he can't step into his throws,

He throws off his back foot cut him.

[callahan09]

On 1/14/2017 at 9:34 AM, Chuckx999 said:

Flacco has to think to much, blame it on the coaches. Thats just plain BULL. They guy has to much money now to care. Trade or cut him. His poor passes, interceptions get the offence off the field after just three plays, other team scores, Flacco goes out for just three more plays and that cycle doesn't seem to end week for week. He just hasn't got it any more.
Look at Tom Brady or Big Ben. I don't care who's on the field with them, they fight every play to WIN. Flacco just walks off and gives you that "so what, who cars" look.
Bite the bullet and let him go!!!!!!!

You know that opponents only scored 1 TD all season on drives following a Flacco interception (and Flacco threw no pick 6's)?  And that 1 TD scored off an interception was in the one of the Browns games (which we won, anyway, so it ultimately didn't cost us any games).

[bigcatfrank1]

  On 1/11/2017 at 8:24 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

That's on a game to game, week to week case. There were games where I think we did abandon the run (Redskins for example), and there were other games, like Dallas for example, where the boxscore says we didn't run it enough, yet you'd have a hard time naming maybe 1-2 more plays the entire game where running the ball was more effective. 

I think if you'd have seen us be more effective running the ball, especially earlier in the season, you'd have seen us run it more.

I want to fix the quality before I fix the quantity.

Well, I guess it was a lose/lose scenario. Clearly throwing the ball more than running didn't do us any good. So which is it? Ineffective run game or ineffective pass game? That's precisely why balance is needed. The imbalance of the offense was incredibly disgusting, and resulted in many losses. You simply CANNOT do that with Joe Flacco throughout an entire season. He ain't that guy. Never has been, never will be. The results are obvious.

Metal, you just said the same thing. However Joe has been the guy when the Ravens needed the extra offense in the air. So you cannot really say that. Over the entire season no, but in certain games, at certain times in games and in the playoffs Joe can be more than that "average Joe" we all know it, we have seen it. So the key here is THE Running Back. Plain and simple. We need a back that will consistently get over 60% first downs on the ground, a running back who will gain over 1000 yds, a running back who can block, catch and gain more than 10 yards on 2 consecutive run plays 75% of the time or more. If we find one, We will win more than 10 games this coming season with the team we have now, get another all pro WR, CB and Pass Rusher and we make a serious run at the trophy.

[RavenROC]

It's not that Flacco is a bum. It's that he isn't worth the money he got. It's not happening this offseason obviously but they should think long and hard about taking a QB high in the draft soon.