[News] Steve Bisciotti Says Ravens Got Away From Offensive Identity

[BR News]

The Ravens owner said the Ravens’ identity has always been playing good defense with a balanced offense. He isn’t sure how the team got so far away from that identity, but a clear point of emphasis is to establish a more effective running game next year.

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[ravens4life86]

Steve said it.. so if they chuck it 45x every week next year, we know something will change

[mrc724]

I wonder if Biscioti discussed Harbaughs penchant for hiring coaches form the Old Boy Network. Did you notice that Harbaugh didn't appear very happy during the presser. It's about time that Ozzie draft failures were noted. I think the front office has gotten fat and lazy, we need better scouts and talent evaluator.

[#Nevermore]

We got away from it because John brought in coaches that like to throw the ball. That was a legit concern about Trestman when he was hired because he did it with the bears. Marty comes in and throws it more than Trestman. This offense is not tailored to our quarterback. Our O-line was a patchwork. I think it was easy to see.

[JamesA119]

In a word "Trestman". That's what he does wherever he goes. Dink and dunk passes are his run game. That surprising thing is that Harbaugh didn't nip it in the bud.

[Crusader]

"Steve Bisciotti Says Ravens Got Away From Offensive Identity" And it started in 2013. I going to see if Ozzie will buy my old bike. I bet I can get 2 million for it.

[RavensDieHard21]

I mean I get it and I don't all at the same time. Under no circumstance should Flacco and Brees be anywhere near one another in passing attempts. 

I get it early on though. Our line early in the year was only getting 2-3 yards per carry and we weren't going anywhere. But as the season went on, the line found a groove and everyone--maybe besides Zuttah--was blocking better.

 We were able to start ripping some nice runs while Consistently getting at least 4 yards per run. But then here comes the coaching gaffs. Marty is calling all these pass plays in the red zone and Forgets to kill the clock v philly and Flacco throws the pick. In NE we didn't run the ball or use any screen, which is one of the strengths of having athletic tackles. 

We need a mauler at center, maybe even guard too. Dixon and west are real good. They just need the lanes so they can get going. There is nothing more deflating than handing the ball off and all of your blockers are already in your lap. 

[Legendary Ravens]

"Steve Bisciotti Says Ravens Got Away From Offensive Identity" And it started in 2013. I going to see if Ozzie will buy my old bike. I bet I can get 2 million for it.

Word Crusader.. we've all (true Raven fans) have been saying this since 2013.. what gets me is that they think we don't see it.. that is the part I can't stomach..

[Legendary Ravens]

Haven't the True School Raven Fans been saying this since the General #52 Departed? Play it like a Raven.. it is not a Cliche it is a standard

[Militant X 1]

I loved how the majority of the questions were directed towards Bisciotti.  I appreciated his directness in his responses and even how he called out a few players by name.  Awesome!  I found myself just wanting to hear him speak the entire conference instead of listening to Ozzie and John. 

[sizzlingdoom]

I loved how the majority of the questions were directed towards Bisciotti.  I appreciated his directness in his responses and even how he called out a few players by name.  Awesome!  I found myself just wanting to hear him speak the entire conference instead of listening to Ozzie and John. 

Yeah, it's amazing how full of crap John is and always has been. He always just wants to say "the right thing". Makes me wanna puke sometimes

[I*Bleed*Purple]

A "run-first" offense with a $120 million dollar quarterback? Lol. And all because of a miraculous 4 game stretch. 

[BigUgly]

9 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

In a word "Trestman". That's what he does wherever he goes. Dink and dunk passes are his run game. That surprising thing is that Harbaugh didn't nip it in the bud.

I'm surprised Harbs didn't do his research on the guy before hiring him. We could've had a smoother transition from Kubiak into a similar scheme had we hired Kyle Shanahan, but Harbs was enamored of Trestman's "genius" to retain Kubiak's terminology and "improve" his offense. The result was a shambles, and Marty didn't do much to improve it.

Our passing game essentially served as a running game, since the routes were so short and called so frequently. Unfortunately, a short passing game doesn't set up play action, and it clearly didn't set up a deeper passing game. No threat of a deep ball is a waste of Joe's talents, and the speed of Perriman and Wallace.

As for the O-Line, scheme is the first culprit, then technique, then talent. With the 8-8 team of 2013, we passed like crazy and couldn't run the ball with an O-Line essentially the same as the SB (and that was with KO). The following year, we turned a journeyman RB into a pro-bowler with essentially the same line. Now, we are back to ineffectiveness. I'd like to see Roman come in and Castillo ("Run Game Coordinator / O-Line Coach") let go, since Juan seems to be the next accountable common denominator in our run game woes. Meet need to sweeten the pot for Roman if the Browns are offering him the QB Coach position.

Edited January 11 by BigUgly

[whobilly]

I wonder if Biscioti discussed Harbaughs penchant for hiring coaches form the Old Boy Network. Did you notice that Harbaugh didn't appear very happy during the presser. It's about time that Ozzie draft failures were noted. I think the front office has gotten fat and lazy, we need better scouts and talent evaluator.

Agree to some extent about the Old Boy Network but you can say that about a lot of teams. Regarding the Draft, if you do an honest evaluation since 2009 it has produced a few "Players" but many more over valued "Roster Fillers".

[BigUgly]

Interesting that Harbs cited the need for a game-breaking RB, implying West and Dixon are only average at best, yet Ozzie said the needs were DBs, OL, and WR.

I agree with Ozzie.

[whobilly]

Interesting that Harbs cited the need for a game-breaking RB, implying West and Dixon are only average at best, yet Ozzie said the needs were DBs, OL, and WR.

I agree with Ozzie.

West is average. Dixon has potential. Moore is a roster filler/special teams player. Camp gets injured if the wind blows in the wrong direction. Perriman's mediocre numbers would be acceptable if he was drafted 5th or 6th. He wasn't. I agree with both Harbs and Oz.

[KidNme]

Don't get to hear Biscotti talk often so it's always nice to hear it straight from the owner however, what they say now can all change after the draft and FA. We'll be losing a few guys that will need to be replaced and who they get, may change how we work things.
I do expect there to be changes but which way we go will be up in the air for a while. They can't predict all the puzzle pieces at this juncture. I am surprised that Ozzie says we want another RB though. I thought Dixon and West did pretty good. The lack of rushing attempts weren't the RB's fault. What we need is offensive and defensive line depth with a journeyman pass rusher to groom, a couple CB's, a couple WR's and a backup QB worked in to eventually replace Joe and of course, a few new coaches that can get this thing rolling in the right direction.

[Raven1995]

8 hours ago, BigUgly said:

18 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

In a word "Trestman". That's what he does wherever he goes. Dink and dunk passes are his run game. That surprising thing is that Harbaugh didn't nip it in the bud.

I'm surprised Harbs didn't do his research on the guy before hiring him. We could've had a smoother transition from Kubiak into a similar scheme had we hired Kyle Shanahan, but Harbs was enamored of Trestman's "genius" to retain Kubiak's terminology and "improve" his offense. The result was a shambles, and Marty didn't do much to improve it.

Our passing game essentially served as a running game, since the routes were so short and called so frequently. Unfortunately, a short passing game doesn't set up play action, and it clearly didn't set up a deeper passing game. No threat of a deep ball is a waste of Joe's talents, and the speed of Perriman and Wallace.

As for the O-Line, scheme is the first culprit, then technique, then talent. With the 8-8 team of 2013, we passed like crazy and couldn't run the ball with an O-Line essentially the same as the SB (and that was with KO). The following year, we turned a journeyman RB into a pro-bowler with essentially the same line. Now, we are back to ineffectiveness. I'd like to see Roman come in and Castillo ("Run Game Coordinator / O-Line Coach") let go, since Juan seems to be the next accountable common denominator in our run game woes. Meet need to sweeten the pot for Roman if the Browns are offering him the QB Coach position.

The O-line wasn't the same in 2013 as 2012 SB Year. KO only played in 7 games and had a bad back, people were saying he was a bad draft pick, a bust, couldn't stay healthy or play right tackle. Mckinney was traded to Miami after a few games, and Gradkowski was awful. Matt Birk called out blocking assignments and sized up the defense when he was their. So no it was not essentially the same unit. Whoops I almost forgot we had AC Shipley at LG, where is he now?

[Raven1995]

6 hours ago, Raven1995 said:

8 hours ago, BigUgly said:

  12 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

In a word "Trestman". That's what he does wherever he goes. Dink and dunk passes are his run game. That surprising thing is that Harbaugh didn't nip it in the bud.

I'm surprised Harbs didn't do his research on the guy before hiring him. We could've had a smoother transition from Kubiak into a similar scheme had we hired Kyle Shanahan, but Harbs was enamored of Trestman's "genius" to retain Kubiak's terminology and "improve" his offense. The result was a shambles, and Marty didn't do much to improve it.

Our passing game essentially served as a running game, since the routes were so short and called so frequently. Unfortunately, a short passing game doesn't set up play action, and it clearly didn't set up a deeper passing game. No threat of a deep ball is a waste of Joe's talents, and the speed of Perriman and Wallace.

As for the O-Line, scheme is the first culprit, then technique, then talent. With the 8-8 team of 2013, we passed like crazy and couldn't run the ball with an O-Line essentially the same as the SB (and that was with KO). The following year, we turned a journeyman RB into a pro-bowler with essentially the same line. Now, we are back to ineffectiveness. I'd like to see Roman come in and Castillo ("Run Game Coordinator / O-Line Coach") let go, since Juan seems to be the next accountable common denominator in our run game woes. Meet need to sweeten the pot for Roman if the Browns are offering him the QB Coach position.

The O-line wasn't the same in 2013 as 2012 SB Year. KO only played in 7 games and had a bad back, people were saying he was a bad draft pick, a bust, couldn't stay healthy or play right tackle. Mckinney was traded to Miami after a few games, and Gradkowski was awful. Matt Birk called out blocking assignments and sized up the defense when he was their. So no it was not essentially the same unit.

Whoops I forgot we Had AQ Shipley at left Guard in 2013 for 9 games.

[Raven1995]

A "run-first" offense with a $120 million dollar quarterback? Lol. And all because of a miraculous 4 game stretch. 

Steve Bisciotti said If Joe Had a Great season in 2012 he could bang on his desk and demand a great contract. Joe didn't put a gun to his head, so ultimately that falls on the owner.

[Rav'n Maniac]

I don't agree with Bisciotti's idea of a stout defense with a balanced offense. The league, as a whole has gotten away from that model for some time. Offense is what will put fans in the seats and increase the fanbase. Play to win the game by putting points on the board with building a strong offense. Too long we have settled for the defense trying not to lose the game.

[Ravenshine]

I see part of the loss of offensive identity due to too many OCs in the years since 2012. This is something that couldn't all be helped...especially Kubiak leaving which was his choice, but yeah our identity never got to be developed around any consistent coaching influence. Plus SO many new offensive players added to this identity ambiguity. There were bright spots like SSS bringing some identity and veteran Pitta returning...but to have only him, Flacco, and Yanda left on O from the 2012 SB O lineup (am I missing any players on this list?) is a HUGE turnstyle of players.

[Minionhunter]

  17 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

In a word "Trestman". That's what he does wherever he goes. Dink and dunk passes are his run game. That surprising thing is that Harbaugh didn't nip it in the bud.

I'm surprised Harbs didn't do his research on the guy before hiring him. We could've had a smoother transition from Kubiak into a similar scheme had we hired Kyle Shanahan, but Harbs was enamored of Trestman's "genius" to retain Kubiak's terminology and "improve" his offense. The result was a shambles, and Marty didn't do much to improve it.

Our passing game essentially served as a running game, since the routes were so short and called so frequently. Unfortunately, a short passing game doesn't set up play action, and it clearly didn't set up a deeper passing game. No threat of a deep ball is a waste of Joe's talents, and the speed of Perriman and Wallace.

As for the O-Line, scheme is the first culprit, then technique, then talent. With the 8-8 team of 2013, we passed like crazy and couldn't run the ball with an O-Line essentially the same as the SB (and that was with KO). The following year, we turned a journeyman RB into a pro-bowler with essentially the same line. Now, we are back to ineffectiveness. I'd like to see Roman come in and Castillo ("Run Game Coordinator / O-Line Coach") let go, since Juan seems to be the next accountable common denominator in our run game woes. Meet need to sweeten the pot for Roman if the Browns are offering him the QB Coach position.

Kyle was gone/alreay hired before Gary left, so we couldn't have gotten him.

[Minionhunter]

I loved how the majority of the questions were directed towards Bisciotti.  I appreciated his directness in his responses and even how he called out a few players by name.  Awesome!  I found myself just wanting to hear him speak the entire conference instead of listening to Ozzie and John. 

Yep, he definitely chilled me out. He said nothing he could say would change minds, maybe not, but the way he said it and the manner in which he presented his decisions certainly changed my mind from anxious to relaxed. I'm down to just baffled by keeping Castillo now.

[RayRayRaven]

  18 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

I loved how the majority of the questions were directed towards Bisciotti.  I appreciated his directness in his responses and even how he called out a few players by name.  Awesome!  I found myself just wanting to hear him speak the entire conference instead of listening to Ozzie and John. 

Yep, he definitely chilled me out. He said nothing he could say would change minds, maybe not, but the way he said it and the manner in which he presented his decisions certainly changed my mind from anxious to relaxed. I'm down to just baffled by keeping Castillo now.

once again if one is not part of the cure one is part of the problem. stevie b is killin us