[News] Late For Work 1/10: Ravens Reportedly In Contact With Greg Roman For Offensive Coaching Job

[BR News]

What type of running back are the Ravens looking to add? A game breaker. The top question for Owner Steve Bisciotti today: Is he losing patience?

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[metalraven]

Ya. Another running back is what we need. That way we have 3 good RBs that'll barely touch the ball. THAT'S the answer. Phew - now my confidence is restored.

[The Greek]

hope this does not end up as having too many cooks in the kitchen as hey say.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

Hmmm, wonder why the run game finished 28th ? Maybe because it was always abandoned for the high flying passing game that is breath taking huh. Or the fact that the Offensive line was awful on passing and running plays.

[omar586]

what does roman bring to the table? anyone?

the run game was 28th b/c u didn't call running plays, u abandon the run, harb is hypocrite, b/c in press today he seems to blame the lack of running the ball on the players not on the coaches for not calling run plays, b/c whenever we ran the ball we ran it effectivly, but i guess he's trying to convert us to that hi-flying- passing attack that we are not there yet.

[btfan2]

Seems as though every day it becomes more apparent that Harbaugh and gang really don't have a clue.

All I know is I look at Harbaugh and if his mouth is moving he's lying about something. Doing his rah, rah and double speak. After 9 years, he should have a better grasp of what is needed to stay competitive.

He's stumbling around like a blind man grasping any and everything he can without any real fore thought. This team has had issues for too long not to already have a viable plan.

There is going to be a large amount of turnover this year as usual. That is why you need good coaching, real management, leadership and continuity.

I'm still burning over the Pat's game. Harbaugh and his coaches were totally exposed for the poser's they really are. They show up unprepared and get their butts kicked. How after all these years do you not know that Billy B. McCheat game plans down to where to put the water bottles. He has a plan and a back up plan we have "Well we thought they would do this or that ugh bummer"

Oh well it's just a game.....

[btfan2]

Ya. Another running back is what we need. That way we have 3 good RBs that'll barely touch the ball. THAT'S the answer. Phew - now my confidence is restored.

Oh come, it cuts down on injuries...

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, omar586 said:

what does roman bring to the table? anyone?

the run game was 28th b/c u didn't call running plays, u abandon the run, harb is hypocrite, b/c in press today he seems to blame the lack of running the ball on the players not on the coaches for not calling run plays, b/c whenever we ran the ball we ran it effectivly, but i guess he's trying to convert us to that hi-flying- passing attack that we are not there yet.

i mean we were not a good running team - otherwise we'd run it more - do you really think the coaches dont want to run the ball or that they want to lose? we could have run the ball more, maybe should have, but we definitely needed to run the ball better - there's no point running into a brick wall for short to no gains repeatedly just to have the opposing team swallow it up without even having to brink a safety down into the box - we did not run the ball well which obviously makes it more difficult to run the ball consistently

[Swift 1]

2 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i mean we were not a good running team - otherwise we'd run it more - do you really think the coaches dont want to run the ball or that they want to lose? we could have run the ball more, maybe should have, but we definitely needed to run the ball better - there's no point running into a brick wall for short to no gains repeatedly just to have the opposing team swallow it up without even having to brink a safety down into the box - we did not run the ball well which obviously makes it more difficult to run the ball consistently

You make too much sense to post in here. A lot of these guys thinks we pass to the tight end because the QB is his friend .LOL

 

[bioLarzen]

“We have not run the football well enough or enough, really, for the last two years. That has to change,” Harbaugh said last week.

Ha, if we were to have a drinking game where we, Ravens fans have a beer every time Hargaugh acknowledges that something "must change"/"done better" - and then nothing at all happens (or it actually gets even worse) - the Ravens Nation would be a bunch of thoroughly drunken fans...

Edited January 11 by bioLarzen

[mearzunkies]

what does roman bring to the table? anyone?

the run game was 28th b/c u didn't call running plays, u abandon the run, harb is hypocrite, b/c in press today he seems to blame the lack of running the ball on the players not on the coaches for not calling run plays, b/c whenever we ran the ball we ran it effectivly, but i guess he's trying to convert us to that hi-flying- passing attack that we are not there yet.

He will stress to run the ball. That is a start IMO

[reed20]

We don't need to add ANY backs that aren't measly camp fodder. Dixon and West are a good enough combination. What we need is a more run oriented mentality and that starts with the coaches. I'm gonna be pissed off if we draft a running back in the first round when we have far too many other weaknesses.

[metalraven]

  3 hours ago, omar586 said:

what does roman bring to the table? anyone?

the run game was 28th b/c u didn't call running plays, u abandon the run, harb is hypocrite, b/c in press today he seems to blame the lack of running the ball on the players not on the coaches for not calling run plays, b/c whenever we ran the ball we ran it effectivly, but i guess he's trying to convert us to that hi-flying- passing attack that we are not there yet.

i mean we were not a good running team - otherwise we'd run it more - do you really think the coaches dont want to run the ball or that they want to lose? we could have run the ball more, maybe should have, but we definitely needed to run the ball better - there's no point running into a brick wall for short to no gains repeatedly just to have the opposing team swallow it up without even having to brink a safety down into the box - we did not run the ball well which obviously makes it more difficult to run the ball consistently

We were a decent running team. And even if you aren't you don't completely abandon that aspect of the game. Look at the results...clearly the offensive decision making was poor.

[metalraven]

  2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

i mean we were not a good running team - otherwise we'd run it more - do you really think the coaches dont want to run the ball or that they want to lose? we could have run the ball more, maybe should have, but we definitely needed to run the ball better - there's no point running into a brick wall for short to no gains repeatedly just to have the opposing team swallow it up without even having to brink a safety down into the box - we did not run the ball well which obviously makes it more difficult to run the ball consistently

You make too much sense to post in here. A lot of these guys thinks we pass to the tight end because the QB is his friend .LOL

 

Dude you watch that game against the Bengals? Apparently not, because Flacco left wide open receives hanging and pitched it to his buddy. I'd say there's some truth to that - after all, Pitta needed x amount of catches to meet incentives. It's not that far fetched, especially for a game like that.

Oh, and watch Flacco throw that beautiful pick in the end zone, directly into the defense...who was he passing it to? Pitta.

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, metalraven said:

We were a decent running team. And even if you aren't you don't completely abandon that aspect of the game. Look at the results...clearly the offensive decision making was poor.

Yes the offensive decision making was poor but as you said... look at the results, we were in the bottom third of the league in running ypc so apart from a few 4th quarters against broken defenses and one or two good looking offensive games we were absolutely terrible running the ball - and it's more than just popping the occasional 8-9 yard carry, because if you consistently try to run on first down and end up with negative yardage or less than 3 yards then you are looking at a situation where you almost have to pass

so yes offensive decision making wasn't ideal, but the run game didn't warrant many more carries than it got - it certainly did not have anyone's trust

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, metalraven said:

Dude you watch that game against the Bengals? Apparently not, because Flacco left wide open receives hanging and pitched it to his buddy. I'd say there's some truth to that - after all, Pitta needed x amount of catches to meet incentives. It's not that far fetched, especially for a game like that.

Oh, and watch Flacco throw that beautiful pick in the end zone, directly into the defense...who was he passing it to? Pitta.

i sometimes get the impression from fans that flacco doesn't play football because he wants to but because he can - if he didn't love football he wouldn't have made it as far as he has - so the idea that he would just willy nilly chuck the ball to pitta just coz is ridiculous

[sizzlingdoom]

  6 hours ago, metalraven said:

Dude you watch that game against the Bengals? Apparently not, because Flacco left wide open receives hanging and pitched it to his buddy. I'd say there's some truth to that - after all, Pitta needed x amount of catches to meet incentives. It's not that far fetched, especially for a game like that.

Oh, and watch Flacco throw that beautiful pick in the end zone, directly into the defense...who was he passing it to? Pitta.

i sometimes get the impression from fans that flacco doesn't play football because he wants to but because he can - if he didn't love football he wouldn't have made it as far as he has - so the idea that he would just willy nilly chuck the ball to pitta just coz is ridiculous

Yes, it is ridiculous. That he does do that. I agree. It's fact. Everyone watching sees it. If Pitta was Gronk like it'd be one thing but he's not even that good and he can't block at all. They both need to go

[sizzlingdoom]

“We have not run the football well enough or enough, really, for the last two years. That has to change,” Harbaugh said last week.

Ha, if we were to have a drinking game where we, Ravens fans have a beer every time Hargaugh acknowledges that something "must change"/"done better" - and then nothing at all happens (or it actually gets even worse) - the Ravens Nation would be a bunch of thoroughly drunken fans...

Seriously. He's a broken record and always says "the right thing" but does nothing about it. For YEARS and YEARS and YEARS now, CMON STEVE

[sizzlingdoom]

Ya. Another running back is what we need. That way we have 3 good RBs that'll barely touch the ball. THAT'S the answer. Phew - now my confidence is restored.

Exactly. I was worried. Thank goodness for Harbaugh..............................................

[Crusader]

hope this does not end up as having too many cooks in the kitchen as hey say.

Ravens have 29 Coaches and Assistants listed. New England has 16. Pittsburgh 16, Bengals have 20. Does that constituent bloated? And is that why prices are really going up?

[Rav'n Maniac]

If the rumors are true, Roman coming here would be a good thing for our run game once the team finishes building the Oline. Not sure what the team is expecting to get as a running back. We have brought RB's in every year since Rice left but we keep looking for them in the middle rounds, when you'll only find "game changers" at the top of the draft.

[good_n_purple]

  17 hours ago, The Greek said:

hope this does not end up as having too many cooks in the kitchen as hey say.

Ravens have 29 Coaches and Assistants listed. New England has 16. Pittsburgh 16, Bengals have 20. Does that constituent bloated? And is that why prices are really going up?

Don't know about the correlation to ticket prices but the number of coaching staff is definitely way high. The "just try everything" approach may account for some of it.

[good_n_purple]

  18 hours ago, metalraven said:

Ya. Another running back is what we need. That way we have 3 good RBs that'll barely touch the ball. THAT'S the answer. Phew - now my confidence is restored.

Exactly. I was worried. Thank goodness for Harbaugh..............................................

Obviously the game changer we were looking for! Of course the best way to cure a suspect O-line and iffy coaching is to get another RB! Sheesh....

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Look the idea of adding another RB that has game-breaker status sounds nice, but it is far from a necessity. This team has talent up and down the roster. It is time to get the most out of it. Just saying, a RB like Leonard Fournette would be a nice addition, but even he lacks that break away speed. Then you have more backs than snaps too, not a great move. Good running attacks that break the big plays, mostly do it by wearing down the defense, not just blazing by them every play. T West and Dixon need to be utilized more. Period.

Juan Castillo needs to surrender control of the run game, that much is certain. He is great at teaching the pass protection and was really the big reason for his initial hiring, going from memory.

Not sure if Roman becomes the guy to fix the run game, but with his success in running the ball, it would be difficult to pass him up, if the Ravens are serious.

Just focus on filling the secondary will more younger talent, 2-3 CB's and 1-2 S. Not all drafted players will work out as expected. Time to put the same need for several years in a row, behind them.

WR is not a need at all either. Another nice item on the wish list at most. These young WR's on the team either need to be given a fair chance to develop and see snaps to do so or move on from them. Joe can definitely work on throwing his WR open and beating coverage with timing, something he used to do and disappeared of late. Someone gotta show Joe how to pump fake defenders out of their shoes and look off defenders. All misdirection basically hinges on the ability to keep a defense guessing so that means Joe also needs to learn to sell hi fakes much better. This will also open the PA and bootlegs. Sitting in shotgun too often does not benefit the offense.

[Crusader]

I bet the first play from the offense in the first home game is a pass. Just for spite.

[drillem]

Pass offense needs some help. Some of that will sort out with better run game, however those 2 yard passes when 8 is needed must be figured-out. Flacco looked scared to stand long enough for the play to develop much of the time. Even when he had time he would lob the ball short to ensure his own safety. In short, he's either playing scared or it just looks that way. Some new design plays might help. And reinforce the back end of the defense with some play makers. Very few intercepts this year. Also work on moving the ball after the catch by receivers. Often, when they caught they would drop to the ground or run a sloppy pattern which produced too few yards after the catch. This is mostly coaching stuff with the exception of the emotional issue with Flacco since his injury. Not sure what they do about that. Maybe a Dak Prescott will fall their way somehow.

[good_n_purple]

Look the idea of adding another RB that has game-breaker status sounds nice, but it is far from a necessity. This team has talent up and down the roster. It is time to get the most out of it. Just saying, a RB like Leonard Fournette would be a nice addition, but even he lacks that break away speed. Then you have more backs than snaps too, not a great move. Good running attacks that break the big plays, mostly do it by wearing down the defense, not just blazing by them every play. T West and Dixon need to be utilized more. Period.

Juan Castillo needs to surrender control of the run game, that much is certain. He is great at teaching the pass protection and was really the big reason for his initial hiring, going from memory.

Not sure if Roman becomes the guy to fix the run game, but with his success in running the ball, it would be difficult to pass him up, if the Ravens are serious.

Just focus on filling the secondary will more younger talent, 2-3 CB's and 1-2 S. Not all drafted players will work out as expected. Time to put the same need for several years in a row, behind them.

WR is not a need at all either. Another nice item on the wish list at most. These young WR's on the team either need to be given a fair chance to develop and see snaps to do so or move on from them. Joe can definitely work on throwing his WR open and beating coverage with timing, something he used to do and disappeared of late. Someone gotta show Joe how to pump fake defenders out of their shoes and look off defenders. All misdirection basically hinges on the ability to keep a defense guessing so that means Joe also needs to learn to sell hi fakes much better. This will also open the PA and bootlegs. Sitting in shotgun too often does not benefit the offense.

You mention the purpose for hiring Castillo as being to hone pass protection skills, but that is not how I remember it. I would have to go back and look but I seem to remember his hire was to introduce the zone blocking scheme because Moeller was questionable. And of course he was on Harbaugh's short list because he was with the Freakin Eagles staff at one time.

[bozo]

said it before and ill say it again, joe Flacco is only average at best, is only strength is the long ball. can't read defenses, terrible out of the pocket, no mobility,has no touch pass.

[#Nevermore]

I like the hiring of Greg Roman if he controls the type of runs. Joe needs to be more under center. The runs out of the shotgun kill me. We run it too much out of the shotgun. We need to run more iso, off tackle and counter. We need to run less stretch plays. That also includes upgrading the O-line with a more physical guard and center. Roman will remind the staff about the lineman on the 49ers and those great run schemes.

[omar586]

On 1/10/2017 at 5:51 PM, rossihunter2 said:

i mean we were not a good running team - otherwise we'd run it more - do you really think the coaches dont want to run the ball or that they want to lose? we could have run the ball more, maybe should have, but we definitely needed to run the ball better - there's no point running into a brick wall for short to no gains repeatedly just to have the opposing team swallow it up without even having to brink a safety down into the box - we did not run the ball well which obviously makes it more difficult to run the ball consistently

we were when kubes was here, we never tried to run the ball this season, the run game is %50 of ur offense, u become predictable when u abandon it.  run the ball to rest the D, punish the opposing D, limit ur quick 3 and outs, which the ravens offense is famous for.

Edited January 14 by omar586