Thank you, Steve Bisciotti (Reactions to Press Conference)

[Moderator 3]

And if you haven't watched it yet 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Full-Presser-Team-Brass-Addresses-State-Of-Ravens/3210b4e7-e61a-46ad-b96c-1bfbc3b7116b

[ravensnation5220]

I honestly think the fact that we didn't say pass rusher was a pressing need is all smoke screen for the draft. We said depth at corner, another receiver and oline are our biggest needs to upgrade. We had 31 sacks all year suggs and doom are past their prime and we can't show too much faith in the young guys. 

Remember last year during this address we said monroe was our left tackle. We ended up drafting Stanley and letting Monroe walk after a post June 1 cut to save more money. I could see the same thing happen to dumervill this year

[rossihunter2]

11 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I honestly think the fact that we didn't say pass rusher was a pressing need is all smoke screen for the draft. We said depth at corner, another receiver and oline are our biggest needs to upgrade. We had 31 sacks all year suggs and doom are past their prime and we can't show too much faith in the young guys. 

Remember last year during this address we said monroe was our left tackle. We ended up drafting Stanley and letting Monroe walk after a post June 1 cut to save more money. I could see the same thing happen to dumervill this year

That's a great point, and it's worth also pointing out that while they all know this team better than any of us already, they haven't had their meeting in Jupiter yet where a lot more of this will be properly sorted out with them all

[Tank 92]

4 hours ago, cajmax said:

didn't like the idea of raising the ticket prices for season tickets!!!!

don't know why ozzie & decosta get another pass at drafting?

did anyone really talk about a dominant running game?

Don't buy them.

Ravens had a great draft in 2016.

They talked about a more balanced attack.

[ravefan52]

42 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I honestly think the fact that we didn't say pass rusher was a pressing need is all smoke screen for the draft. We said depth at corner, another receiver and oline are our biggest needs to upgrade. We had 31 sacks all year suggs and doom are past their prime and we can't show too much faith in the young guys. 

Remember last year during this address we said monroe was our left tackle. We ended up drafting Stanley and letting Monroe walk after a post June 1 cut to save more money. I could see the same thing happen to dumervill this year

Yeah that part stuck out to me. They didn't seem too concerned about OLB, but who knows. It was interesting Ozzie listed Judon and Z Smith as young guys who can develop, but didn't mention Correa.

My biggest takeaway was that even without them going into specifics, it seemed like they all had a good understanding of what went wrong and how to fix it. They realize CB depth is a big issue, which is nice to hear considering how its largely been ignored for awhile. And despite the offense repeatedly having the same problems during the year, Bisciotti made it clear that we didn't run it enough, or well enough, and that must change.

 

Edited January 11 by ravefan52

[ravensnation5220]

2 minutes ago, ravefan52 said:

Yeah that part stuck out to me. They didn't seemed too concerned about OLB, but who knows. It was interesting Ozzie listed Judon and Z Smith as young guys who can develop, but didn't mention Correa.

My biggest takeaway was that even without them going into specifics, it seemed like they all had a good understanding of what went wrong and how to fix it. They realize CB depth is a big issue, which is nice to hear considering how its largely been ignored for awhile. And despite the offense repeatedly having the same problems, Steve made it clear that we didn't run it enough, or well enough, and that must change.

 

Ya I agree, it was very refreshi to hear biscotti have all the same opinions we have about this team. At least for the most part

[ravensnation5220]

Wow Mike Preston is a real Debby downer. Anyone read his article? Super negative. 

[trevorsteadman]

43 minutes ago, ravefan52 said:

Yeah that part stuck out to me. They didn't seem too concerned about OLB, but who knows. It was interesting Ozzie listed Judon and Z Smith as young guys who can develop, but didn't mention Correa.

My biggest takeaway was that even without them going into specifics, it seemed like they all had a good understanding of what went wrong and how to fix it. They realize CB depth is a big issue, which is nice to hear considering how its largely been ignored for awhile. And despite the offense repeatedly having the same problems during the year, Bisciotti made it clear that we didn't run it enough, or well enough, and that must change.

 

You do realize Correa was played more at inside linebacker than outside linebacker.... Which is why he didn't list him as young OLB that need to develop and step up.

[codizzle]

Another great end of the year address from Steve.. 

it's clear they know what the issues are and are upfront about addressing them.

they did a great job of handling the 10,000 OC and flacco questions and were honest about flacco and how he needs to step up next year and have a good healthy offseason 

[codizzle]

Oh and I say this every year but there was way too many god awful questions 

Edited January 11 by codizzle

[Ravensfan23]

I think what Mr. B helped do was take fans inside the thinking of he and the team. I've put my respect for Mr. B as a business man on full display and he only make me respect him more. He sat in front of a group of reporters who seemed more interesting in finding out when someone would lose their job rather than finding out about the team in some cases and was as honest as you'll see from most owners. '

For him to paint that picture of what the team thought they'd get from Wright but didn't was great. I think sometimes as fans we think that every move the team makes should pan out and the reality is that sometimes you just miss. I love how he described the 2013 draft. Yes Ozzie missed on the 1st and 2nd round picks but that same drafted came away with the best NT and FB in the NFL and a top 10 RT who could easily develop into a top 5 guy. That's a pretty special draft for most people, but Ozzie has set such a standard and we the fans make sure to hold him to it. 

He didn't have to open up about the Boldin situation but he did and that little tidbit should help fans understand how sometimes tough decisions have to be made. I bring that up because I think that type of decision will come up this year with both Pitta and Doom, maybe even Webb as well. 

I love the way he spoke about how he loves his partners in Ozzie, Harbs and co and trust those guys. If running a NFL team is anything like running a business, it's rare to have a core group that absolutely loves working with each other but can also hold each other accountable for when things don't get done. The Ravens have a strong FO team and most teams hit a rough patch or two. The key is do you still trust those guys to get things right the ship. Mr. B talking about how the Ravens were basically a 21pt 4th quarter explosion by Pit away from the playoffs and how Harbs has never lost in the first round of the playoffs tells me he still trust Harbs to get the job done without a doubt. 

Lastly, because I can talk about Mr. B all day, but I like how he kept telling reporters how he doesn't really judge the performance of his partners based on wins and losses. It's more about what happened that caused those down years. Even though he wasn't happy about the 2015 season he basically chalked it up to injuries and he was honest to say that he thought the knee still bothered Joe this year. It's so much more I could talk about but I don't want to write a essay 

[atomicfront]

5 hours ago, Ravens4Real said:

First time I have ever heard one of the higher ups come to terms that Flacco, in the regular season, is just not cutting t for what he's paid. Too many times Harbaugh has come to Flaccos defense and used an excuse.

The real question is, what if Flacco performs like this next year? Could they possibly make him take a pay cut? Or even more than that? We will see. Because if he has many more regular seasons like he has, this team won't make it to the playoffs again.

The first time they would have any leverage with Flacco is in the 2020 season.  If they cut Flacco before the 2020 season they would save 20 million dollars of cap space. If they cut Flacco before 2018 season they would lose 4 million of cap space and Flacco's cap hit would be 28 million.  Flacco's contract was just extended. 

Flacco is your quarterback the next 3 seasons whether you like it or not and he will be taken up a large portion of the team's cap. 

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Wow Mike Preston is a real Debby downer. Anyone read his article? Super negative. 

What did he say?

[ravensnation5220]

9 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

What did he say?

It was basically saying the FO and coaches are making excuses joe' s play when being paid to play like a premier QB. The fact that we are paying a player whose job is to make those around him better and now we are trying to find players to make him better. It's a good point. That's why it's depressing lol

[K-Dog]

3 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

And if you haven't watched it yet 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Full-Presser-Team-Brass-Addresses-State-Of-Ravens/3210b4e7-e61a-46ad-b96c-1bfbc3b7116b

Which based on what I am reading quite a few posting in this very thread have not done so.

 

It seems clear to me why Steve is such a successful business man.

[rossihunter2]

8 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Which based on what I am reading quite a few posting in this very thread have not done so.

 

It seems clear to me why Steve is such a successful business man.

It's actually infuriating how many people have got the wrong end of the stick by taking a zrebiec quote out of context and assuming that nothing else happened in the whole hour long conference

[Richmond_Raven]

What did he say about Jed York?

[atomicfront]

I watched the whole press conference. I think there were to few questions to Ozzie  and too much focus on Steve.  He seemed to answer the same question over and over again about what is his criteria for keeping the coaches and GM.  I think he did a good job but I think the press did a poor job with the questions.  

I do think that Steve is right.  Firing coaches, firing the GM and getting a new Quaterback are the simpleton fans answers to all the problems.  I mean Tressman was fired a couple of weeks and the same people who wanted Tressman fired now wanted  Morningweg fired  It is tiresome. Like firing a coordinator over and over again until the offense improves is the answer.  

Most of all I agree with most of what was said. But I do have two big disagreements.

When Arthur Brown was drafted I watched all his tape and I new he wouldn't succeed at the NFL level.  He was way too small and was running sideways a lot.  I just didn't think he was NFL material. If I could see that with my limited knowledge I think Ozzie and company should have known better.

The thing about Boldin wasn't really true.  The team signed a bunch of free agents that season who didn't contribute at all.  Were even cut before the end of the season.  Boldin could have been afforded easily.  Saying they screwed up on that one would be the appropriate response 

[atomicfront]

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Wow Mike Preston is a real Debby downer. Anyone read his article? Super negative. 

He wanted the Ravens to get rid of Ray Lewis about 5 years before he retired.  I wrote him an email at the time about how wrong he was and he never responded.  He is just a paid troll 

[Inqui]

"It doesn't take a genius to figure out that no-one wants to see two minutes of commercials, come back and kick the ball, and then go back to a minute and a half of commercials."

<3 

[rossihunter2]

4 minutes ago, atomicfront said:

I watched the whole press conference. I think there were to few questions to Ozzie  and too much focus on Steve.  He seemed to answer the same question over and over again about what is his criteria for keeping the coaches and GM.  I think he did a good job but I think the press did a poor job with the questions.  

I do think that Steve is right.  Firing coaches, firing the GM and getting a new Quaterback are the simpleton fans answers to all the problems.  I mean Tressman was fired a couple of weeks and the same people who wanted Tressman fired now wanted  Morningweg fired  It is tiresome. Like firing a coordinator over and over again until the offense improves is the answer.  

Most of all I agree with most of what was said. But I do have two big disagreements.

When Arthur Brown was drafted I watched all his tape and I new he wouldn't succeed at the NFL level.  He was way too small and was running sideways a lot.  I just didn't think he was NFL material. If I could see that with my limited knowledge I think Ozzie and company should have known better.

The thing about Boldin wasn't really true.  The team signed a bunch of free agents that season who didn't contribute at all.  Were even cut before the end of the season.  Boldin could have been afforded easily.  Saying they screwed up on that one would be the appropriate response 

- He literally mentioned how we ended up with Daryl smith and doom because of the money we saved by trading boldin - id hardly say that's limited contribhtion

- the other thing which bisciotti also mentioned was how these decisions were made with all the information available and at the time they made sense and were the "right" move - obviously they don't all work out but that's to be expected in a business that deals in humans

- as to the press constantly questioning Steve, it makes sense as this is really their only time all year to talk to him whereas all the other guys are much more available especially in the offseason so I have no problem with badgering bisciotti this one time - and to be fair, without the constant pressurised questions to Steve we might not have had some of the brilliant answers we got even if the questions did feel naggy 

[atomicfront]

5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

- He literally mentioned how we ended up with Daryl smith and doom because of the money we saved by trading boldin - id hardly say that's limited contribhtion

- the other thing which bisciotti also mentioned was how these decisions were made with all the information available and at the time they made sense and were the "right" move - obviously they don't all work out but that's to be expected in a business that deals in humans

- as to the press constantly questioning Steve, it makes sense as this is really their only time all year to talk to him whereas all the other guys are much more available especially in the offseason so I have no problem with badgering bisciotti this one time - and to be fair, without the constant pressurised questions to Steve we might not have had some of the brilliant answers we got even if the questions did feel naggy 

Yeah what if he said we could have kept Boldin if we didn't sign Michael Huff, Marcus Spears and Chris Canty?  Oh wait he wouldn't say that because then he would be admitting they screwed up. 

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, atomicfront said:

Yeah what if he said we could have kept Boldin if we didn't sign Michael Huff, Marcus Spears and Chris Canty?  Oh wait he wouldn't say that because then he would be admitting they screwed up. 

Monetarily that's not the case though so that makes no sense - you're picking 3 pickups who didn't cost much and ignoring the 2 most expensive and important signings who had a lasting impact on the franchise - so of course he wouldn't mention the other 3 because the first two are compensation enough - and Chris canty was also a good pickup by the way (and inexpensive)

so essentially they got rid of 1 good guy and got 3 good guys back as well as a draft pick - so to go back to your original post - no Steve wouldn't say they screwed it up because 1.) what's the point and more importantly 2.) they nailed it

[atomicfront]

11 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Monetarily that's not the case though so that makes no sense - you're picking 3 pickups who didn't cost much and ignoring the 2 most expensive and important signings who had a lasting impact on the franchise - so of course he wouldn't mention the other 3 because the first two are compensation enough - and Chris canty was also a good pickup by the way (and inexpensive)

so essentially they got rid of 1 good guy and got 3 good guys back as well as a draft pick - so to go back to your original post - no Steve wouldn't say they screwed it up because 1.) what's the point and more importantly 2.) they nailed it

They nailed an 8-8 season.  Canty 2.6 million, Huff 2 million, and Spars 1.4 million.   That is 6 million right there.  They screwed up.  

[Tank 92]

5 hours ago, atomicfront said:

 

The thing about Boldin wasn't really true.  The team signed a bunch of free agents that season who didn't contribute at all.  Were even cut before the end of the season.  Boldin could have been afforded easily.  Saying they screwed up on that one would be the appropriate response 

Not sure how you could say this. Thinking the only two that didn't pan out were Spears and Huff, neither of which really were huge $ hits. Daryl Smith, Dumervil, Ihegdibo, Canty were all solid contributors. No way could we have signed those guys and also paid Q. 

[Tank 92]

1 minute ago, Tank 92 said:

Not sure how you could say this. Thinking the only two that didn't pan out were Spears and Huff, neither of which really were huge $ hits. Daryl Smith, Dumervil, Ihegdibo, Canty were all solid contributors. No way could we have signed those guys and also paid Q. 

 

4 hours ago, atomicfront said:

Yeah what if he said we could have kept Boldin if we didn't sign Michael Huff, Marcus Spears and Chris Canty?  Oh wait he wouldn't say that because then he would be admitting they screwed up. 

Sorry, now see this was already being discussed. Spears was $1.5 guaranteed and Huff $600k. Not really big screw ups in the big scheme of things. Canty? While he didn't contribute on the level of Daryl Smith or Doom he was still a solid contributor and far from being a bust.

D. Smith was arguably a top 5 LB in 2013/2014 and Dumerville had stellar seasons as well. Looking at those two alone certainly justifies letting Q walk, especially when you consider the holes they fillled. 

[Moderator 3]

10 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Wow Mike Preston is a real Debby downer. Anyone read his article? Super negative. 

Why, why, why, do people keep giving him clicks?

[Davesta]

I clapped when he called out shareece "can't do no" wright. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

8 hours ago, atomicfront said:

Yeah what if he said we could have kept Boldin if we didn't sign Michael Huff, Marcus Spears and Chris Canty?  Oh wait he wouldn't say that because then he would be admitting they screwed up. 

Their combined 1st year cap hits wouldn't have been enough to keep Boldin. 

So keep chopping more players... and destroy the DL depth. Bc don't forget if you don't have Canty/Spears you still need 2 DL to replace them.... so where you getting them?

[nextgen_RavensFan]

16 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Uh .....did you not watch the presser? They said establishing a running game is a key for them going into next season and to have a balanced attack. And steve gave a perfect answer as to why ozzie is still the draft guru

I loved the interview and hope his words hit home with the entire team. I like the idea of getting back to the run. We cannot survive long term on Joe's abilities. Focus on the run game and teach Joe to be a good game manager. The more he hands off the ball in the red zone the better off we will be. Keep the passing game to short to mid range.In short just act like Joe is Dilfer version #2 until he shows better decision making and works on accuracy. 

I really liked that Harb's was right there beside Steve while he spoke and could tell his leash just got a bit tighter. The only thing i did not like was the fact that it will be another wasted year in the draft. Drafting affects the team for years, why not at least look for other options as the view on talent has been tainted the last few years.