The bring back Jim Zorn as QB Coach thread

[JoeCool1983]

I say bring back Jim Zorn as QB Coach.  Flacco had his best passer rating in 2010, under Zorn- 93.6

25 TD- 10 INT.  3,610YDS. Very great stats

[K-Dog]

If Steve Biscotti reads this I am sure he will take it under advisement. 

[AsianRice]

well, I don't think he is coaching any team in NFL right now; he does helped Joe playing top of his game but there was something going on that year which got him fired.....

 

I think Rick Dennison is the perfect fit as QB coach cuz he is with Kubiak for so many years, running West Coast offense with zone blocking O-line.  He knows Kubiak's offense inside out and Marty is also running the same kind of offense...

[OUravensfan]

9 minutes ago, AsianRice said:

well, I don't think he is coaching any team in NFL right now; he does helped Joe playing top of his game but there was something going on that year which got him fired.....

 

I think Rick Dennison is the perfect fit as QB coach cuz he is with Kubiak for so many years, running West Coast offense with zone blocking O-line.  He knows Kubiak's offense inside out and Marty is also running the same kind of offense...

Dennison could be up for a HC position though. 

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

Dennison could be up for a HC position though. 

i dont know who would take on an OC who has never really called plays as their HC - i reckon he takes on an OC role with a west coast system offense (hopefully for him kyle shanahan takes him wherever he ends up going) - otherwise he's more likely to have to go to a positional coach role and be an inhouse reserve candidate for OC somewhere

[B-more Ravor]

Zorn hasn't coached in the NFL since 2012 (or, anywhere, it seems), so I doubt they'd ever consider him.  He's also a bit of an odd ball and didn't mess well with a lot of people (other than Joe, it would seem).

Edited January 10 by B-more Ravor

[ellicottraven]

23 minutes ago, AsianRice said:

well, I don't think he is coaching any team in NFL right now; he does helped Joe playing top of his game but there was something going on that year which got him fired.....

 

I think Rick Dennison is the perfect fit as QB coach cuz he is with Kubiak for so many years, running West Coast offense with zone blocking O-line.  He knows Kubiak's offense inside out and Marty is also running the same kind of offense...

Why would Dennison accept a demotion from OC though? He only became QB coach because he wanted Gary Kubiak to come to Baltimore and become OC. He was actually interviewed in 2013 for OC position when even Kubiak became a possibility through him! I doubt he comes here to become QB coach.

[Bltravens]

20 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Why would Dennison accept a demotion from OC though? He only became QB coach because he wanted Gary Kubiak to come to Baltimore and become OC. He was actually interviewed in 2013 for OC position when even Kubiak became a possibility through him! I doubt he comes here to become QB coach.

If history is any past indication, Dennison would be the OC here by about week 8 if he took the QB coach job haha.

[ellicottraven]

2 minutes ago, Bltravens said:

If history is any past indication, Dennison would be the OC here by about week 8 if he took the QB coach job haha.

I doubt he is the calculating type though. He seemed incredibly loyal to Kubiak right through where he willingly sacrificed an OC position here at the Ravens to make way for his laid off boss! He seems like a morally and ethically upright dude!

But your point is noted but I have a small disagreement with you in that 8 weeks is too darn long! I doubt his offensive playcalling will allow him such a long reign in 2017! But, the fool that I am, I tend to intrinsically believe that the Ravens will be winning a SB in 2017...

Edited January 10 by ellicottraven

[AsianRice]

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

I doubt he is the calculating type though. He seemed incredibly loyal to Kubiak right through where he willingly sacrificed an OC position here at the Ravens to make way for his laid off boss! He seems like a morally and ethically upright dude!

But your point is noted but I have a small disagreement with you in that 8 weeks is too darn long! I doubt his offensive playcalling will allow him such a long reign in 2017! But, the fool that I am, I tend to intrinsically believe that the Ravens will be winning a SB in 2017...

Kubiak said he steps away from coaching so Dennison has to look for another job...I'll bet Kubiak would advise him to come back to B-more cuz Kubiak owed us for giving him opportunity to excel as OC before his dream job was opened.....

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, AsianRice said:

Kubiak said he steps away from coaching so Dennison has to look for another job...I'll bet Kubiak would advise him to come back to B-more cuz Kubiak owed us for giving him opportunity to excel as OC before his dream job was opened.....

Tbh if I'm dennison I'd let harbs know I'm interested in the qb job and try and get him to hold off on his decision while he's waiting for the broncos hc position to get filled out and see if he's kept on board - I reckon his dream scenario is shanahan comes onboard in Denver and keeping him on

[Hardbaugh]

I definitely believe bringing Zorn back is a great idea. I was hoping he'd come back at offensive coordinator but it looks like Harbaugh has went all in with his current staff.

I'm a big fan of Harbaugh's coaching  but it's hard to make due with what he's currently been given. I don't believe he'll be around much longer but who knows?  No way to tell from the outside looking in but I do wonder how much sway he's been given in player selection because since the Super Bowl "W"  it does look like the Ravens have backslid in drafting. (IMO)

Edited January 10 by Hardbaugh

[rmcjacket23]

He's 63 and has been out of the league for 4 years now. 

Why on Earth would he come back for a QB coaching gig?

[B-more Ravor]

9 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

Tbh if I'm dennison I'd let harbs know I'm interested in the qb job and try and get him to hold off on his decision while he's waiting for the broncos hc position to get filled out and see if he's kept on board - I reckon his dream scenario is shanahan comes onboard in Denver and keeping him on

If the new Denver HC does not retain Dennison, then I'm certain he'll be very much in the Ravens plans.  Don't know what kinds of other opportunities he may have, but hopefully, the Ravens will be in his plans too!

[The Raven]

I'm seeing people say that Zorn's been out of the game a while or that he's weird, but I'm not seeing anyone question Zorn's ability.

He has a solid track record. Other than 2014, Joe's best year was probably under Zorn.

The NFL is kind of insiderish, which might prevent Zorn from getting the job, but I see no reason why Zorn shouldn't be seriously considered.

[jazz1988]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

He's 63 and has been out of the league for 4 years now. 

Why on Earth would he come back for a QB coaching gig?

Well he actually still works with quarterbacks and he said so himself that he still wants to coach . Honestly Jim Zorn would be a good fit especially since him and Marty M came under the same offensive system and Flacco likes him.

[jazz1988]

12 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Why would Dennison accept a demotion from OC though? He only became QB coach because he wanted Gary Kubiak to come to Baltimore and become OC. He was actually interviewed in 2013 for OC position when even Kubiak became a possibility through him! I doubt he comes here to become QB coach.

I doubt any team is going to want Dennison as a offensive coordinator. Everybody in the league knows just about what he's good for and it's not calling plays

[Moderator 3]

Why would Zorn want to come back to a place where he was fired (for no good reason that we ever heard)?

[Rav'n Maniac]

6 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Why would Zorn want to come back to a place where he was fired (for no good reason that we ever heard)?

Was thinking the same thing. Obviously, something happened here that led to his firing and the only one that remotely seemed interested in his staying was Flacco. I wouldn't think for second that Zorn would consider coming back here, even if Harbs wanted him, which I doubt.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On 1/9/2017 at 11:00 PM, ellicottraven said:

Why would Dennison accept a demotion from OC though? He only became QB coach because he wanted Gary Kubiak to come to Baltimore and become OC. He was actually interviewed in 2013 for OC position when even Kubiak became a possibility through him! I doubt he comes here to become QB coach.

On this - well bc the NFL community is small, and everyone knows hes been tied to Kubiaks hip. Everyone knows that even when he was an OC he was hardly anything more than an offensive assistant/QB coach. He's never designed an offense, he's never called plays.

I'm sure most would want to see how he does out on his own in a smaller role before handing over the keys to their offense to him. Honestly, someone giving him an OC would be a promotion, because he hasnt been a real OC yet. QB Coach would be more of a lateral move if you consider actual job function and responsibility.

 

With that being said... I am now in favor of hiring Bill Musgrave as QB Coach. Was OC under Leslie Frazier in Minnesota, did a good job developing Carr and Foles recently, had 2 stints in Philly, and two stints as OC under Del Rio who is a former Raven. Lots of direct and indirect ties to the current regime here.

And it seems odd how the Raiders just let his contract expire after 2 successful offensive years. 

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

On this - well bc the NFL community is small, and everyone knows hes been tied to Kubiaks hip. Everyone knows that even when he was an OC he was hardly anything more than an offensive assistant/QB coach. He's never designed an offense, he's never called plays.

I'm sure most would want to see how he does out on his own in a smaller role before handing over the keys to their offense to him. Honestly, someone giving him an OC would be a promotion, because he hasnt been a real OC yet. QB Coach would be more of a lateral move if you consider actual job function and responsibility.

 

With that being said... I am now in favor of hiring Bill Musgrave as QB Coach. Was OC under Leslie Frazier in Minnesota, did a good job developing Carr and Foles recently, had 2 stints in Philly, and two stints as OC under Del Rio who is a former Raven. Lots of direct and indirect ties to the current regime here.

And it seems odd how the Raiders just let his contract expire after 2 successful offensive years. 

They had an inhouse replacement who i think they were worried about maybe losing in the future so used the end of musgrave's contract as a handover moment - I think it's unlikely he takes a demotion though, he just conducted one of the most successful offences in the league and turned derek Carr into a two-time pro-bowler - I think he takes on another OC job somewhere more likely than him coming down to qb coach

[jazz1988]

10 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

They had an inhouse replacement who i think they were worried about maybe losing in the future so used the end of musgrave's contract as a handover moment - I think it's unlikely he takes a demotion though, he just conducted one of the most successful offences in the league and turned derek Carr into a two-time pro-bowler - I think he takes on another OC job somewhere more likely than him coming down to qb coach

From what I saw Musgrave is suppose to be in the mix for the head coaching position at Cal .

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, jazz1988 said:

From what I saw Musgrave is suppose to be in the mix for the head coaching position at Cal .

Well that would make sense... if it was a mutual thing because he had a desire to go be a HC. 

The timing of it, and the success of their offense/development of Carr - didnt make much sense from the outside to just let his contract expire. 

Would love to have him here though.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

On 1/10/2017 at 8:43 AM, Moderator 3 said:

Why would Zorn want to come back to a place where he was fired (for no good reason that we ever heard)?

I would love to bring Zorn back because him and Flacco seemed to work good together but you made a great point with your post.

Edited January 11 by ALSKAN RAVEN FAN

[terrynjulia03]

Why would a guy with 9 years in the league need a QB coach? If you look at other teams, paying their QB as much as we are, the OC is / QB coach. And sure they have a assistant QB coach, which means someone to go grab the coffee. If after 9 years Joe needs a babysitter telling him to work on his mechanics than something is wrong. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Why would a guy with 9 years in the league need a QB coach? If you look at other teams, paying their QB as much as we are, the OC is / QB coach. And sure they have a assistant QB coach, which means someone to go grab the coffee. If after 9 years Joe needs a babysitter telling him to work on his mechanics than something is wrong. 

Not really.

Every position group should have a dedicated coach for when the offense breaks up into position groups for individual drills at practice. Mechanics are a muscle memory. They should be drilled constantly and when they arent they can be lost. And having an outside eye look at the mechanics and provide critique is always a good thing. Developing poor mechanics also can become a muscle memory which can be hard for one to see whats wrong by him or herself to correct them. A QB coach should have a wealth of knowledge on specific drills, exercises and environments that correct, promote and then build upon those mechanics.

Plus, having a QB coach gives Joe someone who is with him closely every day to be an extension of his voice in the coaches room and meetings. 

You see great hitters go into slumps all the time. Much of the time its bc theyve developed a bad habit, or with their changing body they need to also change the mechanics of their swing. They could have done it one way their entire career with success, but then they work closely with a hitting coach and he sees whats going wrong, and advises the player on how to fix it. Shorten the swing, change stance, etc... Its not like the guy was hitting wrong before, and a player could change their swing mechanics several times in their career - none being wrong... just different things working at different times.

 

I mean these guys have been lifting weights since probably middle school... why do they need a strength coach? Theyve all been playing football since they were kids - why do any of them need coaches at all?

Edited January 11 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[B-more Ravor]

8 hours ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Why would a guy with 9 years in the league need a QB coach? If you look at other teams, paying their QB as much as we are, the OC is / QB coach. And sure they have a assistant QB coach, which means someone to go grab the coffee. If after 9 years Joe needs a babysitter telling him to work on his mechanics than something is wrong. 

 

Not sure what you're talking about, but plenty of teams have separate QB coaches that aren't the OC.  In fact, other than NE, it looks like most teams have a separate QB coach.  Luck has one. Rodgers has one. Ben has one.  Brees has one.  Eli has one. Ryan has one. Rivers has one. Wilson has one.  Newton has one. 

And Peyton pretty much had one his entire career.

[CalvinSmoke]

I honestly thing about Zorn every year... No joke, Flacco loved him and all of his wacky drills. If j remember right, Zorn and Cam Cameron didn't get along. I believe that's why he was let go.

 

I wouldn't come back if i was Zorn.