[News] Late For Work 1/9: Who Should Stay And Who Should Go Among Aging Ravens Veterans?

[jravens1313]

So the logic behind the Washington firing is: (Hey Coach Washington, you are such a great coach and have done such a great job that we are going to fire you, because you can find a better job elsewhere). I am going to call the bluff on this idea. This website gets harder and harder to read every day as the Ravens fluff overtakes reality. (Maybe I am wasting my time here)

We definitely can't let Doom go unless we have another capable rusher. The issue the who season on defense was the lack of 2 good rushers due to his injury. Then our issue became the lack of starting caliber corners when Jimmy went down.

[20306cab]

They forgot the category, "Should be the first to go, but can't, because of the financial Albatross around the Raven's neck."

[merryjman]

Regardless of who they can keep and who gets cut, pass rushers need to be the main focus, followed by center. An offensive line with no glaring holes is key for both our run game and for keeping Joe upright long enough to air it out. Keep Wagner, get a good center and the offensive line will be top 5 in the NFL. And the defense that played stunningly well without ANY help on the outside would be truly nasty if we got some consistent, healthy edge rushers.

[jravens1313]

We are a Marcus Peters/Von Miller combo away from making it to the playoffs. That is exactly what this team is missing. A premium pass rusher and a shut down corner that can stay healthy.

Offensive identity and Offensive Coordinator is our greatest Flaw. Not understanding the value of time of possession and limiting the amount of snaps a defense sees. The lack of talent on the offensive line. Yanda and Stanley are here to stay, but C: Zutah, RG: (Lewis/Ducasse), and RT: Wagner are all worth upgrading.

Defensively heck yeah we need another starting CB that can cover along with Tavon Young and Jimmy Smith. That gives us some flexibility when someone is hurt. There is no such thing as too many pass rushers in this pass happy league.

[jravens1313]

  22 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

Wasn't the Steelers game disgusting. We could have tromped all over the Dolphins. If Weddle, Orr and Mosley could have stopped 185 lb Antonio Brown from reaching the endzone, or the defense would have stopped any of those plays during that last drive, we would be in the drivers seat to beat NE and head to the big dance. Even PFT in their final ranking rated the Ravens and said it was a shame as it was one of the few teams that had the pieces to make it to the super bowl. Just not the defensive scheme to do so.

And there's the dagger!!

But what about our sorry offense? Were they good enough for a SB run?

[The Greek]

We are a Marcus Peters/Von Miller combo away from making it to the playoffs. That is exactly what this team is missing. A premium pass rusher and a shut down corner that can stay healthy.

do not forget about receivers as well

[whobilly]

So the logic behind the Washington firing is: (Hey Coach Washington, you are such a great coach and have done such a great job that we are going to fire you, because you can find a better job elsewhere). I am going to call the bluff on this idea. This website gets harder and harder to read every day as the Ravens fluff overtakes reality. (Maybe I am wasting my time here)

We definitely can't let Doom go unless we have another capable rusher. The issue the who season on defense was the lack of 2 good rushers due to his injury. Then our issue became the lack of starting caliber corners when Jimmy went down.

Doom + 6 mill + Running On Fumes = RELEASED

[whobilly]

  19 minutes ago, PersianRaven said:

We are a Marcus Peters/Von Miller combo away from making it to the playoffs. That is exactly what this team is missing. A premium pass rusher and a shut down corner that can stay healthy.

agree!

A lot of teams can say they are a combo away from making it to the playoffs.

[merryjman]

5 minutes ago, jravens1313 said:

So the logic behind the Washington firing is: (Hey Coach Washington, you are such a great coach and have done such a great job that we are going to fire you, because you can find a better job elsewhere). I am going to call the bluff on this idea. This website gets harder and harder to read every day as the Ravens fluff overtakes reality. (Maybe I am wasting my time here)

Disagree with this. The Ravens (and pretty much every other team) make a habit of not badmouthing people they let go. It's just common sense, PR/HR wise. Would you really prefer a front office that hung their people out to dry by saying "this guy sucks, and we don't want him?" Doesn't promote a good culture, and might even cost them a defamation lawsuit.

5 minutes ago, jravens1313 said:

We definitely can't let Doom go unless we have another capable rusher. The issue the who season on defense was the lack of 2 good rushers due to his injury. Then our issue became the lack of starting caliber corners when Jimmy went down.

Agree with this. People keep clamoring for better defensive backs, but there's not a secondary in the league that can cover all eligible receivers for 10 seconds! Look at what Rodgers did to the Giants secondary.  Put consistent pressure on the QB and INTs, drops and overthrows all become more common - that makes the secondary look a lot better!

[jravens1313]

Wasn't the Steelers game disgusting. We could have tromped all over the Dolphins. If Weddle, Orr and Mosley could have stopped 185 lb Antonio Brown from reaching the endzone, or the defense would have stopped any of those plays during that last drive, we would be in the drivers seat to beat NE and head to the big dance. Even PFT in their final ranking rated the Ravens and said it was a shame as it was one of the few teams that had the pieces to make it to the super bowl. Just not the defensive scheme to do so.

What about our Offense? Were they good enough for a SB run? (Heck No!) The defense won 7 games our offense won 1 game (Dolphins). We could have won more games if we let Tucker kick every FG when in his range.
Marty & Harbaugh preferred to let Flacco turn the ball over or fail on 4th down conversions instead of the "Automatic" 3 points.

[eze17]

Anyone who is even suggesting that we keep K. Lewis, for any reason, has not been watching Raven's games the last two years or is certifiably insane. Even the dude's immediate family would have to agree that he has been a shell of what he once was. Not even worried about saving 1.8 million, would pay that just to see him gone. Sorry, he may be a great guy, but is a detriment to the team and has lost the ability to play even respectable NFL football.

[metalraven]

45 minutes ago, billiejean said:

Well that just isnt true at all. His first four games were rough with people rotating through the guard spots next to him. And yes there were two times in one of those games where he backed up on Joe. And in another one of those games neigher Jensen or Zuttah blocked a guy that they were clearly responsible for which lead to a sack. But in the last eleven games of the season he has been rated as one of top five players on the offensive side of the ball eight times. Twice he was the top player and twice he was the second. I wouldn't call Zuttah past his prime or a stop gap. He was rated the number 9 gaurd in the league last year. But he is expensive and if we do get rid of him we better have a plan because there is no one else on our roster that would come close to performing the way he did. And its possible that you would dispute PFFs grade or grading system but what I would say is that you are basing you opinion on only about 1 percent of his plays because there is no way that you would be able to watch him, and then access his performance on every single play during the game. But, he is expensive and I would be fine letting him go. But if we let him go and think that either Urschel or Jensen would be able to perfrom in his place it would be a really big over site.

I agree. Zuttah is a solid C. They aren't easily replaced. He had his rough moments, as you stated, but I would not cut him unless we had something lined up to replace him. Otherwise, he's staying put.

[eze17]

Keep T-Sizzle...Dude plays with heart & bleeds purple and black. Still enough gas in the tank to get after the QB, plays through injury, vocal leader, veteran presense...what more can you ask of him? Probably deserves a pay raise more than a pay cut.

[jravens1313]

I'm thinking basically every player on the chart with the exception of Wallace. We do need one or two WR's. Pita could be gone unless he is willing to restructure. I would also take a look at Suggs. Running on fumes. Time to start working in younger blood. Of course if we could draft players instead of roster fillers that would help a great deal.

Don't forget Sizzle played through a torn bicep which is supposed to be a season ending injury. I want new blood, but if Sizzle is healthy, there isn't anyone better. Suggs would have a benefited greatly from a healthy Doom, or legit pass rusher opposite of him.

[ryananth]

37 minutes ago, PersianRaven said:

We are a Marcus Peters/Von Miller combo away from making it to the playoffs. That is exactly what this team is missing. A premium pass rusher and a shut down corner that can stay healthy.

...and so says about 25 other teams!!

[PersianRaven]

  39 minutes ago, PersianRaven said:

We are a Marcus Peters/Von Miller combo away from making it to the playoffs. That is exactly what this team is missing. A premium pass rusher and a shut down corner that can stay healthy.

...and so says about 25 other teams!!

yeah? Name those 25

[PersianRaven]

  27 minutes ago, merryjman said:

  39 minutes ago, PersianRaven said:

We are a Marcus Peters/Von Miller combo away from making it to the playoffs. That is exactly what this team is missing. A premium pass rusher and a shut down corner that can stay healthy.

agree!

A lot of teams can say they are a combo away from making it to the playoffs.

Easier said than done. Defense ranked so high all year, but choked in the 4th quarter of the MOST IMPORTANT game of the season. Why? I'll tell you why. Because not only we could not touch Ben, we also could not stop their main 2 targets. AB and Bell. If we had a TRUE shutdown corner, and a PREMIUM pass rusher who can change the outcome of a game with one play, we would not be talking about this.

[The Greek]

  58 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

Wasn't the Steelers game disgusting. We could have tromped all over the Dolphins. If Weddle, Orr and Mosley could have stopped 185 lb Antonio Brown from reaching the endzone, or the defense would have stopped any of those plays during that last drive, we would be in the drivers seat to beat NE and head to the big dance. Even PFT in their final ranking rated the Ravens and said it was a shame as it was one of the few teams that had the pieces to make it to the super bowl. Just not the defensive scheme to do so.

What about our Offense? Were they good enough for a SB run? (Heck No!) The defense won 7 games our offense won 1 game (Dolphins). We could have won more games if we let Tucker kick every FG when in his range.
Marty & Harbaugh preferred to let Flacco turn the ball over or fail on 4th down conversions instead of the "Automatic" 3 points.

thumbs up 1313

[eze17]

I'm thinking basically every player on the chart with the exception of Wallace. We do need one or two WR's. Pita could be gone unless he is willing to restructure. I would also take a look at Suggs. Running on fumes. Time to start working in younger blood. Of course if we could draft players instead of roster fillers that would help a great deal.

Take a look at Suggs? O.K., he's the best pass rusher on the team right now, and that's after basically missing the 2015 season & playing 2016 with one arm. All for getting younger at the position, but right now who would step in to fill his shoes? Unless we go out and throw a bunch of money at expensive veterans, no one on the team or in the draft have the credentials to take his place. Not saying we won't get better, but right now he's the most solid contibutor we have at the position. I'll take a T-Sizzle running on fumes, especially looking at his performance this season, over an inexperienced player trying to fill the void that's left if we cut him.

[OriolesMagicPlease]

Cut Zuttah, please.

[eze17]

  1 hour ago, whobilly said:

I'm thinking basically every player on the chart with the exception of Wallace. We do need one or two WR's. Pita could be gone unless he is willing to restructure. I would also take a look at Suggs. Running on fumes. Time to start working in younger blood. Of course if we could draft players instead of roster fillers that would help a great deal.

Take a look at Suggs? O.K., he's the best pass rusher on the team right now, and that's after basically missing the 2015 season & playing 2016 with one arm. All for getting younger at the position, but right now who would step in to fill his shoes? Unless we go out and throw a bunch of money at expensive veterans, no one on the team or in the draft have the credentials to take his place. Not saying we won't get better, but right now he's the most solid contibutor we have at the position. I'll take a T-Sizzle running on fumes, especially looking at his performance this season, over an inexperienced player trying to fill the void that's left if we cut him.

Not saying a rookie draft pick COULDN'T come on gang busters, but that's a big maybe...Right now, I'd stay with the experienced veteran over unproven talent.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

Webb and Watson must go that's the ravens problem to many older players and webb can't cover

[RaRaRavens]

Not mentioned on this article, but read from NFL official page that Harbaugh says that our team needs to add another RB.

WHAT?! Is he willingly trying to bury this team as deep as he can before getting canned?!

I understand depth is needed and wouldn't hurt to have a game changer like Bell, but by no measure is our backfield in dire need of an upgrade. That can not be said about most other positions on this team. We need an upgrade at the play of QB more than that of RBs.

At the very least I would be interested in his reasoning why he thinks West and Dixon aren't enough. Cause as little as they were used this season, they showed much promise.

Maybe someone on these boards can elaborate on Harbaugh's mind-boggling idea?

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  1 hour ago, PersianRaven said:

We are a Marcus Peters/Von Miller combo away from making it to the playoffs. That is exactly what this team is missing. A premium pass rusher and a shut down corner that can stay healthy.

do not forget about receivers as well

we are a head coach OC DC away from playoffs

[Ravensfansince03]

No wonder this team is in a hole. We're paying guys too much money, including Mike Wallace, and Wright. We are shelling out too much money in Free Agency and its hampering us. We need to focus more on building a team up, and not buying one like the Redskins. That chart above really opened my eyes up, Ozzie needs to get it together.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  58 minutes ago, jravens1313 said:

So the logic behind the Washington firing is: (Hey Coach Washington, you are such a great coach and have done such a great job that we are going to fire you, because you can find a better job elsewhere). I am going to call the bluff on this idea. This website gets harder and harder to read every day as the Ravens fluff overtakes reality. (Maybe I am wasting my time here)

We definitely can't let Doom go unless we have another capable rusher. The issue the who season on defense was the lack of 2 good rushers due to his injury. Then our issue became the lack of starting caliber corners when Jimmy went down.

Doom + 6 mill + Running On Fumes = RELEASED

Doom will be gone hasn't done anything in 2 years

[Ravensfansince03]

I see they didn't put Joe Flacco's 2017 cap hit on the chart..........

[Crusader]

I see they didn't put Joe Flacco's 2017 cap hit on the chart..........

or part time Jimmy at $12,600,000

[ravenwildman]

IMHO the Ravens need to build so if a top player is out, the team doesn't fall apart. How many times have we heard..."Jimmy Smith is out that's why we lost", or last year "Suggs being out caused a losing season"? Other teams like the Patriots (barring them spying, and cheating) take major losses and year after year produce a quality season. Belichick is very good, but so is Harbs, "what one man does, so may another" is the saying. Let's be smart this year and build a team of playmakers instead of searching for one. OK I said my piece. GO RAVENS!

[The Mom Gene]

1 hour ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

Webb and Watson must go that's the ravens problem to many older players and webb can't cover

 

59 minutes ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

Doom will be gone hasn't done anything in 2 years

 

59 minutes ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

we are a head coach OC DC away from playoffs

 

We should just get rid of everyone and completely start over.  That would solve all of our problems.