Lets talk trades!

[RavensDieHard21]

5 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I personally hate the idea of trading back this high. 

I know we have the logic of trade back a couple spots and take who's left, but why not actually just stay put and not take other team's leftovers?

I mean we will certainly see. We also have to see if there are any teams eager enough to trade up for a player that is still sitting there at our spot. But if the top talent is cleaned out and Harris, Wilson, Feeney, Humphrey, among a few others are still there then I don't see any harm in adding a pick and still getting a really good talent.

There's a 70% chance we stay, 25% chance we trade back and a 5% chance of going up. Imo anyway lol. 

 

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

I saw Dan Feeney played a little bit of C at the Senior Bowl and showed good results, so I'd be all in for a trade back to get him as a C.

Ya that would be great. Worst case scenario, the team thinks he would be better off at guard and then we have two maulers at guard and have a legit line, regardless of Wagner's decision. But I think Wagner leaving could make us more likely to target OL in top 3 rounds. 

Feeney is a guy that could really improve this line. 

[January J]

On 1/29/2017 at 2:32 AM, kjbmore said:

What are thoughts on trading out of the first if we could swap with, 49ers, bears, jags, jets for their 2nd n 3rd

End up with an early second, then our second.

Early 3rd, our 3rd, comp 3rd

 

 

On 1/29/2017 at 3:15 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

thats too deep of a trade. a lot of times trades are calculated risks, like saying "we have X amount of prospects we want to draft, we can trade back to Y and one of those prospects are guaranteed to still be there". youre talking about 17+ spots here, at that point they better throw in a 2nd next year as well. 

however... with 2 seconds and 3 thirds we could bring in a haul. you got guys like tj watt, budda baker, jourdan lewis, tanoh kpassagnon, dan feeney, ethan pocic, evan engram, desmond king, curtis samuel, christiann mccaffrey, dion dawkins, ryan anderson, there are some serious prospects we could land with 2 seconds. and then in the third there is some quality as well. with the senior bowl im seeing a lot of the quality third rounders now look like seconds, but there is still some solid players there. i wouldnt be totally against it but moving back 17-20 spots would need to bring in way more than a 2nd and 3rd

Yeah we wouldn't have to trade out of the first in order to pick up an extra 2nd. Move back into the 20s and take a guy like Watt or Feeney - then still grab an extra 2nd to attack  cb and Wr.

16 hours ago, ArsenalRaven666 said:

Going on the points chart our 1st is worth a 1000pts, the trade with 49ers would be worth 820 without out picks/future ones added.  It would take a huge haul to tempt me to trade back that far and for the draft board to completely collapse at that point. (Passrushers, Safeties gone and no one taking any of Quarterbacks)

I wouldn't be against trading back but I wouldn't trade out of the 1st round for just a 2nd and 3rd.

 

If your looking for a draft haul something along the lines of trading with our 1st to Cleveland for both their 2nds and combination or 3rd/4ths would be more appealing (2nd 2nd 3rd comp and 4th).  This would give us three 2nds, three 3rds and two 4ths .... 7 in the top 100.

Could only see browns trading up that far it they didnt take a QB with their first 2 picks and one had fallen to that point they really liked Trubisky/Watson and thought one of the next few teams will.

 

Now this would be something to consider. Getting an early second would allow us to still get a  top notch player that slides down- and then we still got two other 2nds to work with to grab guys like Pocic and cooper kupp. Not too mention the thirds- this is a deep draft as far as our  needs are concerned- so we basically could knock out every single need in one swing with a trade like that. Unless a guy like lattimore or Williams fell in our lap I would absolutely jump on that. Cleveland def has the firepower. 

How often to teams trade with other teams in their own division or do y'all think that even is a factor whatsoever? I guess draft  positioning means more than anything- I was thinking if the browns are trying to get back into  contention they'd much rather find another trading partner as opposed to giving us a haul like that when they have to face us twice a year- but If they have a player they really covet such as a qb and they think he will go right after us then im sure it'd be irrelevant. Who's drafting at 17 would be a better question?

Edited January 30 by January J

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, January J said:

 

Yeah we wouldn't have to trade out of the first in order to pick up an extra 2nd. Move back into the 20s and take a guy like Watt or Feeney - then still grab an extra 2nd to attack  cb and Wr.

Now this would be something to consider. Getting an early second would allow us to still get a  top notch player that slides down- and then we still got two other 2nds to work with to grab guys like Pocic and cooper kupp. Not too mention the thirds- this is a deep draft as far as our  needs are concerned- so we basically could knock out every single need in one swing with a trade like that. Unless a guy like lattimore or Williams fell in our lap I would absolutely jump on that. Cleveland def has the firepower. 

How often to teams trade with other teams in their own division or do y'all think that even is a factor whatsoever? I guess draft  positioning means more than anything- I was thinking if the browns are trying to get back into  contention they'd much rather find another trading partner as opposed to giving us a haul like that when they have to face us twice a year- but If they have a player they really covet such as a qb and they think he will go right after us then im sure it'd be irrelevant. Who's drafting at 17 would be a better question?

I think it's a factor. Hue would advise strongly against it because he knows Ozzie is gonna do damage with a haul like that, and the best case scenario for them would be grab  a falling qb and hope like hell he pans out

[ArsenalRaven666]

To trade up would only use our comp 3rd to trade up a couple of spots for one of the DE Garrett/Allen/Thomas/Barnett, WR Williams, CB Lattimore or possibly ILB Foster.

IF draft board is blown up by our pick I would hope to trade back but only if we recieve additional 2nds/3rds and at value.

Only way I would trade completely out of the 1st is for a huge haul way above value

[BmoreBird22]

8 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I mean we will certainly see. We also have to see if there are any teams eager enough to trade up for a player that is still sitting there at our spot. But if the top talent is cleaned out and Harris, Wilson, Feeney, Humphrey, among a few others are still there then I don't see any harm in adding a pick and still getting a really good talent.

There's a 70% chance we stay, 25% chance we trade back and a 5% chance of going up. Imo anyway lol. 

 

I mean, if it's guys like Feeney, Humphrey, Harris, I'd be a little less annoyed, but if it's like Wilson, Lattimore, Barnett, etc, I'm not trading back.

[rossihunter2]

15 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I mean, if it's guys like Feeney, Humphrey, Harris, I'd be a little less annoyed, but if it's like Wilson, Lattimore, Barnett, etc, I'm not trading back.

you dont even need wilson there - if lattimore or barnett are there you sprint to the podium rest of the clock be damned

[BmoreBird22]

7 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

you dont even need wilson there - if lattimore or barnett are there you sprint to the podium rest of the clock be damned

Wilson is my top corner, but I'd sprint up if Barnett were there.

[rossihunter2]

10 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Wilson is my top corner, but I'd sprint up if Barnett were there.

ahead of lattimore and jones?

[RavensDieHard21]

5 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

ahead of lattimore and jones?

It's tough. I think they're the top 3, but they each have their pros and cons.

Wilson is a physical press corner with very solid coverage abilities and ball skills. Semi fluid hips, but is a mediocre tackler and can get beat by savvy route runners off the line.

Jones is my ideal CB because he has 3 years of production. Very fluid hips, best in class ball skills, great in off coverage, can hang with the better route runners, solid tackler, can high point the ball and won't get easily beat on jump balls. But he is thin and could stand to add 5-10lbs of muscle to not get outmuscled at the line. 

Lattimore has the size and has the best mirroring technique in the class. But he did very well for only one year. He also was hurt the year before so that is tough to gage as undisputed best corner. 

[BmoreBird22]

10 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

ahead of lattimore and jones?

Ahead of both

[January J]

On 1/30/2017 at 5:36 PM, ArsenalRaven666 said:

To trade up would only use our comp 3rd to trade up a couple of spots for one of the DE Garrett/Allen/Thomas/Barnett, WR Williams, CB Lattimore or possibly ILB Foster.

IF draft board is blown up by our pick I would hope to trade back but only if we recieve additional 2nds/3rds and at value.

Only way I would trade completely out of the 1st is for a huge haul way above value

We gotta remember we did the most damage in the fourth round last year. First and seconds are great, but there's alllllot of hidden talent in them in between rounds and stacking picks gives you a better shot at finding quality starters as opposed to putting all your chips on one player. That said if a guy like lattimore or mike Williams is sitting there at 13 I might jump. Such a tough call. I'd be way too indecisive to make decisions like that.