Lets talk trades!

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, leziRav said:

What about using some of our TEs for a trade? We won't need all of them. I have been calling for a package Watson& Max Williams in a trade for a while. Titans have two 1st rd picks and need TEs. Maybe use that package in trade with their no5 pick. What do you think?

Watson and Williams aren't Jimmy Graham-level talents at this time. Watson is also nearing retirement so I don't see the value there. That's like throwing in JAG. To put it in perspective, Boldin got us a 6th rounder and was younger and more productive and not coming off a serious injury. Maxx is also coming off an injury abdbhonestky hasn't  done anything yet. NFL draft picks are like cars: once driven off the lot they depreciate in value unless they become iconic. Getting ROI would be a stretch. We'd need to package Mosley and Jernigan in that deal to even come close and even then that's not likely. 

[Deflated Football]

6 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

I would trade up for Fournette in a hot second 

Lol @ the folks that gave me negs. I guess you're smarter than the people at Rotoworld (hint, you're not) 

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/11284/kenneth-dixon

 

[Boddiebroadus]

2 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Lol @ the folks that gave me negs. I guess you're smarter than the people at Rotoworld (hint, you're not) 

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/11284/kenneth-dixon

 

We are. No way we trade up for a rb 

[Deflated Football]

4 minutes ago, Boddiebroadus said:

We are. No way we trade up for a rb 

Who knows? It's all about where we have them rated on the board and who Ozzie and company likes. If one falls to the early teens, don't be surprised, especially after Harbaugh's comments. We're not going to find a free agent of their caliber. 

[rmw10]

30 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Lol @ the folks that gave me negs. I guess you're smarter than the people at Rotoworld (hint, you're not) 

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/11284/kenneth-dixon

 

Rotoworld does nothing but regurgitate other sources.

Regardless, I think Harbaugh is talking more about adding a scat back type that has the breakaway speed that we don't have in Dixon or West.  I wouldn't be mad if we took Cook or Fournette, but I don't believe that's necessarily the type of guy Harbaugh was referring to.

[rossihunter2]

44 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Who knows? It's all about where we have them rated on the board and who Ozzie and company likes. If one falls to the early teens, don't be surprised, especially after Harbaugh's comments. We're not going to find a free agent of their caliber. 

maybe we take them if they land at 16 but there's no way they are players that we trade up for

[January J]

Hypothetically what if we're offered a first and a 2nd for Flacco?  Not only do we clear all that cap- but we could draft say Deshaun Watson along with  a pass rusher- and then have two picks in the second to address WR and corner. Not to mention the money we could spend in FA. I'm not a Joe hater by any means- but the thought does sound a little intriguing if you think about it. Farfetched though I know.

[Moderator 3]

40 minutes ago, January J said:

Hypothetically what if we're offered a first and a 2nd for Flacco?  Not only do we clear all that cap- but we could draft say Deshaun Watson along with  a pass rusher- and then have two picks in the second to address WR and corner. Not to mention the money we could spend in FA. I'm not a Joe hater by any means- but the thought does sound a little intriguing if you think about it. Farfetched though I know.

On trades, don't we still "eat" the bonus that's been paid?  I thought only salary went over to the receiving team.

[rossihunter2]

48 minutes ago, January J said:

Hypothetically what if we're offered a first and a 2nd for Flacco?  Not only do we clear all that cap- but we could draft say Deshaun Watson along with  a pass rusher- and then have two picks in the second to address WR and corner. Not to mention the money we could spend in FA. I'm not a Joe hater by any means- but the thought does sound a little intriguing if you think about it. Farfetched though I know.

we would lose 11 million this year alone on this deal + whatever deshaun watson costs in salary - this is financially as unfeasible as cutting him

[Cillmatic]

I'd be pissed if we took RB in the first round, when more mad if we traded up for him. We need to draft players of need.

[Somerset Ravens]

2 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

On trades, don't we still "eat" the bonus that's been paid?  I thought only salary went over to the receiving team.

You are correct. Whatever bonus is still unamortized ( dead money ) still counts against our salary cap.

Edited January 11 by Somerset Ravens

[RavensDieHard21]

2 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

I'd be pissed if we took RB in the first round, when more mad if we traded up for him. We need to draft players of need.

I would be mad too because we desperately need corners and pass rushers. But if some how we land Fournette, I would not be pissed as long as we went after at least a one mauler or technician at guard/ center, such as Eiflein, Feeney, Fuller or Guillermo so that the run game can be paved so that we enjoy a Cowboy like burst in our offense. 

[trevorsteadman]

God this year sounds like the 2014 draft all over again... When we took Mosley. At the time it didn't seem like a need.... But then after it happened we all thank the lord above the front office picked CJ Mosley. I can see that this year with a running back in the teens. If Dalvin Cook fell to the team or another running back the team liked I can see the boards picking up their pitchforks the night of the draft. Dixon showed promise and West has been decent but the team is clearly not confident in them taking over at least yet when we were 28th in rushing attempts. It will be one of those years I can feel it. A position will be taken that won't be the team's top need and will make everyone cuss Ozzie's name lol. I could also see a highly rated defensive lineman here even after possibly reisigning Brandon Williams lol

[RavensDieHard21]

10 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

God this year sounds like the 2014 draft all over again... When we took Mosley. At the time it didn't seem like a need.... But then after it happened we all thank the lord above the front office picked CJ Mosley. I can see that this year with a running back in the teens. If Dalvin Cook fell to the team or another running back the team liked I can see the boards picking up their pitchforks the night of the draft. Dixon showed promise and West has been decent but the team is clearly not confident in them taking over at least yet when we were 28th in rushing attempts. It will be one of those years I can feel it. A position will be taken that won't be the team's top need and will make everyone cuss Ozzie's name lol. I could also see a highly rated defensive lineman here even after possibly reisigning Brandon Williams lol

All I'm saying is that if Ozzie does not take a pass rusher or corner in the top 3 rounds then I have probably 0 faith in him movin forward. 

I'd prefer Fournette if RB was the surprise first pick, but I wouldn't burn down the town if it were cook. I'd just hope Ozzie drafts a competent center so that we have push at the line. 

As far as lineman, there really aren't any interior guys worthy of 16, maybe Soloman Thomas but he is more suited for a 4-3. McDowell looks decent, yet he is not nearly as impressive of a dozen prospects that would still be on the board. 

WR in round 1 is actually the one position--outside of a miracle happening to get Mike Williams--where id grab my pitchfork. The class is underwhelming and Ozzie is a dud at selecting WRs so it would almost certainly be a waste. 

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

19 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

I'd be pissed if we took RB in the first round, when more mad if we traded up for him. We need to draft players of need.

Great post..... We need CB's,OL,WR and legit pass rushers before any RB. Dixon and West are our RB's for at least next year maybe even longer depending on injuries. Great post and well put. 

[BmoreBird22]

22 hours ago, January J said:

Hypothetically what if we're offered a first and a 2nd for Flacco?  Not only do we clear all that cap- but we could draft say Deshaun Watson along with  a pass rusher- and then have two picks in the second to address WR and corner. Not to mention the money we could spend in FA. I'm not a Joe hater by any means- but the thought does sound a little intriguing if you think about it. Farfetched though I know.

I wouldn't do it because I would still want any of the top quarterbacks (Kizer, Allen, Trubisky, Watson) to sit behind Flacco and learn. I think they'd have a lot more success that way.

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I wouldn't do it because I would still want any of the top quarterbacks (Kizer, Allen, Trubisky, Watson) to sit behind Flacco and learn. I think they'd have a lot more success that way.

also we'd lose 11 million of cap space - not 11 million dead money - like we'd literally lose money against the cap so this move just isnt financially viable - also i dont like any of the qbs this year really all that much

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

also we'd lose 11 million of cap space - not 11 million dead money - like we'd literally lose money against the cap so this move just isnt financially viable - also i dont like any of the qbs this year really all that much

I really love Watson and I think Allen could be excellent if he sat, but outside of those two, none would be a Flacco-lite.

[usmccharles]

On ‎1‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 6:07 PM, Deflated Football said:

Lol @ the folks that gave me negs. I guess you're smarter than the people at Rotoworld (hint, you're not) 

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/11284/kenneth-dixon

That is a clear speculation.  It would the same as *insert any other position of need and player's name*.  Hence the word COULD

 

6 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

All I'm saying is that if Ozzie does not take a pass rusher or corner in the top 3 rounds then I have probably 0 faith in him movin forward. 

I'd prefer Fournette if RB was the surprise first pick, but I wouldn't burn down the town if it were cook. I'd just hope Ozzie drafts a competent center so that we have push at the line. 

Id be willing to bet a good amount of money that we address pass rusher and CB in the first two rounds, let alone first 3. 

I would rather draft an OL guy in the first than a RB at this point.  What Dallas did with their line allowed McFadden to rush for 1k yards.  Darren McFadden. Darren "AARP" McFadden

Edited January 11 by usmccharles

[RavensDieHard21]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

That is a clear speculation.  It would the same as *insert any other position of need and player's name*.  Hence the word COULD

 

Id be willing to bet a good amount of money that we address pass rusher and CB in the first two rounds, let alone first 3. 

I would rather draft an OL guy in the first than a RB at this point.  What Dallas did with their line allowed McFadden to rush for 1k yards.  Darren McFadden. Darren "AARP" McFadden

AARP😂 That is great. We need interior guys so the only one I would really use a first in would be either Feeney or Eiflein and that would be with a trade back. 

Center can be addressed in the third if we don't go OL early. I like Fuller or Guillermo to def be there for our comp pick in the third. 

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

AARP😂 That is great. We need interior guys so the only one I would really use a first in would be either Feeney or Eiflein and that would be with a trade back. 

Center can be addressed in the third if we don't go OL early. I like Fuller or Guillermo to def be there for our comp pick in the third. 

Honestly, what I would actually prefer, depending on who is available:

Take a pass rusher  with #16 and trade back in the first to grab a CB,  Not too sure what that would take, luckily we can trade comp picks now

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Honestly, what I would actually prefer, depending on who is available:

Take a pass rusher  with #16 and trade back in the first to grab a CB,  Not too sure what that would take, luckily we can trade comp picks now

Wouldn't need to trade all the way I tot the first in all likelihood - there's maybe 10 corners I'd happily take with our 2nd round pick (including the first round ones) I find it difficult to believe they all go in the first / early 2nd

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

AARP😂 That is great. We need interior guys so the only one I would really use a first in would be either Feeney or Eiflein and that would be with a trade back. 

Center can be addressed in the third if we don't go OL early. I like Fuller or Guillermo to def be there for our comp pick in the third. 

I dunno - if we are transitioning to a power run game we might let go of rick Wagner and if cam Robinson is there at 16 grab him and put him at right tackle - keep Alex Lewis inside, find a centre (maybe guilermo later) and you've got a group of absolute maulers on the line

[January J]

On 1/10/2017 at 4:25 PM, Moderator 3 said:

On trades, don't we still "eat" the bonus that's been paid?  I thought only salary went over to the receiving team.

Good point , I should've known it wasn't that simple.

On 1/10/2017 at 4:33 PM, rossihunter2 said:

we would lose 11 million this year alone on this deal + whatever deshaun watson costs in salary - this is financially as unfeasible as cutting him

Yeah that would be foolish. Should've done my homework before throwing out a crazy hypothetical

19 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I wouldn't do it because I would still want any of the top quarterbacks (Kizer, Allen, Trubisky, Watson) to sit behind Flacco and learn. I think they'd have a lot more success that way.

Also a good point and I agree. However what if one of those top guys is on the board in round 2? Alot more important needs but I'm sure it would cross their mind don't you think?

[January J]

On 1/10/2017 at 10:17 PM, trevorsteadman said:

God this year sounds like the 2014 draft all over again... When we took Mosley. At the time it didn't seem like a need.... But then after it happened we all thank the lord above the front office picked CJ Mosley. I can see that this year with a running back in the teens. If Dalvin Cook fell to the team or another running back the team liked I can see the boards picking up their pitchforks the night of the draft. Dixon showed promise and West has been decent but the team is clearly not confident in them taking over at least yet when we were 28th in rushing attempts. It will be one of those years I can feel it. A position will be taken that won't be the team's top need and will make everyone cuss Ozzie's name lol. I could also see a highly rated defensive lineman here even after possibly reisigning Brandon Williams lol

im with you...for some reason I just get that feeling that Ozzie will go against our biggest needs and take a RB. The board will go nuts until he rushes for 1000 and scores 10 TDs and everybody calls him a genius. ( i think dixon can be that guy so i would probably go nuts too. ) It doesnt happen unless its fournette or cook though.

Edited January 12 by January J

[BmoreBird22]

23 minutes ago, January J said:

Good point , I should've known it wasn't that simple.

Yeah that would be foolish. Should've done my homework before throwing out a crazy hypothetical

Also a good point and I agree. However what if one of those top guys is on the board in round 2? Alot more important needs but I'm sure it would cross their mind don't you think?

If Watson were there in the second, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

If Watson were there in the second, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I think we're at the point in Flacco's career where if we see someone out there that we think can be a franchise QB, you pull the trigger.  I'd be looking more next year than this year, but if a guy we like is out there, I have 0 problems with them going for it.

[January J]

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

If Watson were there in the second, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Im with you but no way do I see that happening. Typically as the draft gets closer and closer qbs always seem to have their stock rise. Watson isn't the number one prospect right now but after the combine I think there's a good chance he might be. What about one of the other guys though? Allen? Tough call- esp if a top pass rusher/cb/wr is still there. Or even that center Pocic.

I wonder if we try to resign Mallet?

[ellicottraven]

On 1/8/2017 at 3:06 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

lets talk trades people! before anyone says "its too early to talk about trades" just realize, its too early to speculate on the draft period, yet here we are... 

so, big names and big stakes trades... the browns take kizer, maybe the niners in typical niners fashion take trubisky 2nd out of desperation, and the bears having as many holes as any team in the NFL decides they need to round out the roster rather than add a star and they wanna trade back to highest bidder for myles garrett... 

what would it take? and does steve, who is not shy about his desire for an elite pass rusher, demand ozzie sell the house? the bidding price of a 3rd overall pick during the draft compared to a first overall pick for a qb is quite different, so the price wouldnt be like what the rams and eagles paid. say they ask for this years 1st and 3rd and the same package next year, id do it personally. 

say the titans take jamal adams over malik hooker and he begins to slide, at what point do we make a big move to get him? say the panthers are sticking to their iron-clad BPA philosophy and they figure they can add quite a few more elite talents by using this approach with an extra 2nd round pick and they invested so heavily in the secondary that they dont wanna do it again? id give up a 2nd in a heartbeat for that. 

would we trade up for derek barnett at all? or is that a guy who ozzie messes around and tries to be patient with? id guess the latter, and i think we would just look for a trade back at that point and hope that we can get an extra 2nd and land one of: tim williams, charles harris, sidney jones, quincy wilson, or corey davis if they are falling. 

 

what is your price and for what player? and what would you think are ozzies limits in this regard?

This particular 2017 is so rife with talent with pass rushers, corner backs, running backs etc., it would be a strategic blunder for the Ravens to package most of their first 4 picks this year with picks next year (they may have to) to pull of that kind of trade. So, instead we need to accumulate picks for 2017. Let's talk about how that is possible and the trade down options available to accumulate them. Good post though.

[ellicottraven]

On 1/9/2017 at 2:54 PM, Deflated Football said:

I would trade up for Fournette in a hot second 

If either Delvin Cook or Fournette drop to us at 16 I'll be glad to have either one of them. In this particular draft I'm uncomfortable giving up picks. I would rather we accumulate picks in 2017 by being creative even if it means we trade away some future picks.