[News] Report: Ravens Part Ways With Two Coaches

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Blame/fire who ever you want but you cant draft trash and expect these coaches to recycle them and make them solid players.

[WordProphet]

The wrong folks are being let go, the ones who need to be let go are the head coach the OC and the DC, the draft has been a bust for the last few years that's Ozzie, and you blame the AOL coach and the director of strength and training, are you kidding me? This makes no sense at all!!! I can see right now next year is going to be worse than this year, for we have the same people who want to give excuses instead of making serious changes for being out coached at about every turn!!! Now they want to have a press conference, about what? We the fans can see what's going on with the team, we are not dummies!!! The Ravens front office doesn't care about winning, because how can you run a business like this and win, it's the buddy, buddy, system here, if you're my buddy you have a job, don't worry about winning!!! Not making the playoffs three years in a row and that first year after the Superbowl that the Ravens won, we had to pray that the Chargers lost so we could make it into the playoffs!!! You fired the Superbowl team and you haven't been back since, and we won't be back there until you do what needs to be done, but I don't think anyone in the front office has the heart to do that!!! The Ravens had to fire Brian Billicks to get back to the Superbowl because he had the same attitude that Harbaugh has, do you think it's going to be any different for you Steve, you have to make changes to win, or you're doomed to repeat the last three years!!!

[WordProphet]

Harbaugh is scared of people who will stand up to him and tell him when he's wrong, that is not leadership skills, that's whinning to the owner skills who gives him his way whenever he wants it!!! That's why we lost the Superbowl team and haven't been back since, he has lost the respect of the team, for they know he can't coach and you could tell that in our last game this year!!! He let a play go in a game earlier when he knew it was the wrong play and we lost the game, how many more plays has he done that with??? The lions made it into the playoffs and they have Halotie Nata and Anguan Bolden, we used to have them but we don't no more, because the Ravens refuse to pay people what they are worth, I could go on and on but the Ravens front office never listen to the fans!!!

[WordProphet]

  On 1/6/2017 at 1:25 PM, steelcityraven said:

balfan.... if you are excited to have Dean Pees back.... I am not sure that you watched a single Ravens game over the past 3 plus seasons.

We have a lot of talent on the defensive side of the ball.
CJ-is a probolwer
Weddle- played as well as any safety in the league
BWilliams- is probably the best run stopping interior DL in the game
Zach Orr -out played CJ who made the probowl
Jimmy is one of the top CBs in the game
Suggs lead the team in sacks.
Timmy... while a little inconsistent...played good enough to deserve to be in the pro-bowl conversation
Tavon Young...played as well as any rookie CB not named Ramsey
Michael Pierce.... played at a very high level.

That is 9 of our defensive starters who played at a very high level this year... (not too many teams can say that)

Yet... of our 8 loses this season... we blew seven 2nd half leads and we blew another seven 2nd half leads last season. .

Including 9 fourth quarter leads over the past two season and including 5 double digit fourth quarter leads.

Pees has no clue how to close a team out. Pees has not clue how to hold a lead. Since he has got here... no lead is safe...

(Anotinio Brown, Crabtee, Odell Beckham, Chris Hogan all closed us out in the 4th quarter... not to mention the unlikely heroics of Ryan Fitzpatrick who helped the hapless JETS to erase a double digit 2nd half lead and beat us in the 4th quarter this year).

Last season.... It was AJ Green 2x... it was Josh McCown throwing for 400 yards vs our great defense.... it was Colin Kapernick and the woeful 49ers who lit us up... it was the CHIEFS and SEAHAWKS putting up 35 points on us... it was a Peyton Manning with zero left in the gas tank who lead the team to a 4th quarter victory over us. it was squandering fourth quarter leads to the Cards and the woeful Jags)

many people will say about our injuries last season... but 2014 and 2016 looked an awful lot like 2015 for us.

So back to my original statement. Dean Pees cannot hold a lead.... He hasn't in three plus season. He has no clue how to close a team out and 40 some games is a large enough sample. He can no longer make excuses bc he has a ton of talent on the defensive side of the ball (with 8 or so of our defensive players playing at a very high level). He just has not cut it and showing me nothing to make me think he can...

So if you are excited to have him back... I really don't know how much you have watched the Ravens play over the past 3 plus seasons... (it is the same song and dance). If you are excited to have him back... I really do not know what makes you believe that he can be different?

I hope it is not his bogus defensive ranking. BC his ranking meant nothing in our 8 loses.... where we surrendered 2nd half leads over and over. Having 5th ranked defense means nothing when you don't make the play offs two years in a row. (and we cannot blame that on the offense) In 4 of our 8 loses this season we scored at least 23 points.

In 7 of our 8 loses we blew 2nd half leads
In 5 of our 8 loses we blew 4th quarter leads
In 3 of our 8 loses we blew double digit 4th quarter leads.

(even if we just win those last 3 games we are 11-5 and probably win the division)... if we don't blow a 4th quarter lead... we are 13-3 with wins over the Patriots, Raider, Steelers and a blow out over the dolphins- all the play off teams)

I said Pees should go... and nothing that he has shown me suggests otherwise... If you are optimistic about his return... I believe that you are letting your fandom cloud you vision. Sorry but I just don't see anything different under Pees... No matter who we have dressing on the defensive side of the ball.

OMG people for about the 10th time IT IS CALLED SARCASM! I thought it would be obvious

I think I just need to go back and delete my post because people keep responding to it. I've re-posted to the majority of the people freaking out about it to clarify. I've had about 15 posts speaking on my displeasure on keeping Pees. I've said that I am not thrilled about Marty being retained, but it is at least understandable because he didn't  even have a full season to prove his worth. 

Pees has run his course. The late game collapses cannot be dismissed as anything but a failure in coaching. 

 

This whole coaching staff on the Ravens is nonsensical didn't they prove that when they got rid of all the leaders on the Superbowl team and now it seems like we are leaderless!!!

[jdynamite]

On 1/5/2017 at 3:35 PM, merryjman said:

I agree with you about Kubiak's impact. I pointed out in another thread that he took a mediocre-at-best running back in Forsett and made him a pro bowler. No denying it, he's done that several times.

I'm simply saying it's not fair to blame Castillo when every year a new OC comes in and changes schemes again, then 2-4 starters leave or get hurt. Just saying there is a lag there between when a new line practices together and when it starts to click in games.

If Flacco gets pressured a lot again next year, and (assuming we run the ball at all) the rush game is again nonexistent, I will happily go back to hating Castillo again

(Caldwell was running Cameron's playbook during the SB run because it was so late, that's why I called him "basically new.")

Fair enough. 

 

I read somewhere, (can't remember where exactlymay have been Adam Schefter's Facebook or Ravens Facebook) that the Ravens set a franchise low for rushing attempts this year.    

Earlier in the season I complained about not establishing the run game early in games, especially when Flacco was still trying to get his confidence in his knee and shaky oline too.  Anytime an olineman is interviewed whether it be NFL films, mic'ed up, or ex-players they talk about how much they love to run it down a defenses throats and control the line of scrimmage. They talk about how driving someone off the ball just gets them pumped while demoralizing a defense. 

 

Starting 2 rookies Stanley and Lewis let's throw it 40+ and really test these kids. Injuries missing two or three linemen who cares toss that rock until Flacco can't stand up anymore. 

Even when everyone could see Flacco was uncomfortable in the pocket not trusting those guys tossing it off his back foot seemingly every play, they still weren't running it to help things out. 

[jdynamite]

On 1/5/2017 at 11:00 PM, callahan09 said:

Not sure what the reason is for saying goodbye to OL coaches. I actually feel good about our OL coaching, I just don't like the play designs and play calls, and most of the OL problems lay at the feet of the injury bug and the front office, not the coaching. When healthy, the OL has played decently, but could be improved in my opinion with better play designs & play calling.

The strength & conditioning coach being let go is very interesting and immediately rings a bell in my mind that maybe they think it's a strength & conditioning PROBLEM as far as why we have so many injuries on this team.

Fascinating.

When I read that I found it interesting because I remember in the offseason they altered the Strength & Conditioning program and had several articles about injury prevention involving Campanaro and Jimmy Smith.  

http://m.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Ravens-Altered-Training-Program-To-Prevent-Injuries/ea8aac83-de75-4fc3-8e0d-cbbf684ff195

now this is April 19th, 2016 says newly hired Director of Performance and Recovery Steve Saunders.

But the person just fired Director of Strength & Conditioning Rob Rogucki

So maybe the writing was on the wall for this move already I'm not sure.