[News] Report: Ravens Part Ways With Two Coaches

[OzzieBisciotti]

i think they forgot to fire Castillo again

[Warren]

I'm starting to believe our billionaire owner is losing interest in owning this team. In one of the biggest games (Steelers) of the year for his team, he decides to stay home. I know it was Christmas, but it just seems a little odd. I could never imagine Jerry Jones or Bob Kraft missing a game of that magnitude. And I know Art Modell would never miss a divisional game that could possibly decide the division champs, not to mention a game against your arch rivals.

I just don't think Steve B cares as much, as we the fans, think he does.

I think this team is run totally by John and the owner has put a lot of trust and faith in him. That is why, I believe, John is not that concerned about his decisions or what the fan base thinks. I believe John's relationship with Steve is closer then anyone elses in the Ravens organization. Even closer then Steve's relationship with Ozzie. If push comes too shove, Ozzie will go before John will.

Even if things go south in 2017, I think John will still be the head coach of the Ravens, but the surprise, to a lot of us, will be the firing of the entire front office.
John is "a do gooder" and he and Steve have a lot in common. For better or worse they both see life the same way.

When watching that joint news conference on Tuesday, watch how uncomfortable Ozzy looks sitting there while John is in a comfort zone knowing that his boss is his "bff". He and Steve are of the same mindset. John will have no problems throwing people under the bus while Ozzie is going to be very calculated with his words. Ozzie totally understands the situation that he is in.

Of course this is just all my opinion, and that's all it is, an opinion.

[Zeus]

How about firing Juan Castillo?

[callahan09]

Not sure what the reason is for saying goodbye to OL coaches. I actually feel good about our OL coaching, I just don't like the play designs and play calls, and most of the OL problems lay at the feet of the injury bug and the front office, not the coaching. When healthy, the OL has played decently, but could be improved in my opinion with better play designs & play calling.

The strength & conditioning coach being let go is very interesting and immediately rings a bell in my mind that maybe they think it's a strength & conditioning PROBLEM as far as why we have so many injuries on this team.

Fascinating.

[JO_75]

10 hours ago, murman said:

Seems to me that Castillo should be fired since he is the head lines coach. The assistance does what he says to do.

Yeah but who replaces Castillo? That's the only problem, is there a clear upgrade out there? 

[BigUgly]

Castillo has been a bad, head-scratcher of a coach since at least 2011 when he was the surprise-announced D coordinator of the Eagles.  Inexplicably, Harbs keeps him around even though proven vets like Yanda have commented on the unnecessary complexity of the blocking schemes and Osemele had this to say about an "un-named coach":

“That, in particular, had to do with an individual in the organization that I didn’t quite gel with and had issues with,” Osemele explained Wednesday. “That wasn’t the organization as a whole. That was one coach in particular.”

Here's another snippet following the disastrous 2013 season, courtesy of the Sun:

"There was an emotional meeting with Castillo during which offensive linemen voiced their issues, saying he was too regimented and unwilling to tailor his techniques to the Ravens' personnel, team sources said."

So he's too regimented, inflexible, disliked by his players and clearly ineffective.  By all means fire his minions.  Absurd.  Hire literally ANY other O-Line coach, please and have Kubiak VTC in as a "run game coordinator", whatever the heck that is.

Edited January 6 by BigUgly

[Rav'n Maniac]

I don't know much about these guys so I won't comment on them. It seems like a lot of asst. coaches are being released throughout the NFL this year or is it just me.

[billiejean]

  14 hours ago, RavenManiac#7 said:

  18 hours ago, balfan23 said:

  18 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

Bob Rogucki was over due.... no surprise there.

Washington took the fall for Castillo- SMH

I hope these cursory moves are not a smoke screen to look like changes were made.

I hope Dean Pees follows. I really think Castillo should be on the blocks.... this wasn't exactly sweeping changes that is going to change the culture in the organization and get us back to winning

Hope this is just the start of a signicant house cleaning.

That's not going to happen. From a previous article: 

"Harbaugh said he’s excited to move forward with all three coordinators, including Defensive Coordinator Dean Pees and Special Teams Coordinator Jerry Rosburg."

We are all excited as well ... 

I'm not excited. I'm very disappointed to learn that it appears Harbaugh will be retained. I'm even more disappointed that he's keeping our OC and DC too. I was so hoping that Mr. Bisciotti would move on from Harbaugh or, at the very least, if he just refused to fire him, put him on notice that the only way he could stay would be to replace Both coordinators and, also, show tangible improvement with the team next year. I was hoping for, at least, that. Harbaugh has succeeded in taking a lot of the fun out of watching the Ravens these past few years. I love my team, so I'm sticking with it through thick or thin. But, my goodness, does Harbaugh ever make it painful to watch.

Whats more fun than a 28-27 game? you want Raven blow outs-

I get it that at some point for some NFL teams, totally gutting an organization needs to be done. I do not see that for the Ravens for 2017. You make a point but then contradict it by an ultimatum which makes no sense. If you want to give a coach a timeline to "shape up or ship out" you don't tell him who he can use to do it. That is the point of why you tell him -its his job. Furthermore, its not Harbs fault that the OC's have left, if anyone as far as the final decision It is Bisciotti's he is the owner. He makes the deals and decides who stays and who doesn't as far as the front office and major releases such as Kubiak. The Ravens are an organization that promotes growth for their staff. It can work both ways. Some teams like the Patriots..not so much. Its just the nature of the Ravens way.
As far as Harbs leaving, I think it will be a mutual thing. I expect that the Ravens will have a winning record next year or Harbs will not be feeling too good about his performance himself. But to rip out what staff has taken hold over this year, I think would be a mistake. Obviously so do Harbs and Bisciotti, and they are who count.
As they see on the grid iron, "we will see". Go Ravens!

PS I like the idea of moving some assistant coaches around.

Also after visiting a few of the practices this year I might make comments;
-a little less of the broken particle/regiment practices
-and increase practice the following;
suggestions; more Full team- work the line schemes- Defensive drop zone coverage- multi schemes from the same formation both sides of the ball- audible- play action - audible - play action, did I mention - audible - play action
also cut out some more of the goofing off- this team was too nonchalant at camp to be 8-8!-

I am not sure if you meant to say this or not but Kubes wasn't released. He was offered the HC job in Denver.

[bozo]

believe me flacco is only an average quarterback, you need to reduce his salary in order to bye other players. no one will pay him 20 mill a year. hes not worth it.when he won the superbowl he had real good players around him every year hes terrible with interceptions especially in the red zone terrible out of the pocket. wake up and smell the coffee.

[sizzlingdoom]

Harbaugh and his staff SUCK. at the very best. You're losing us Steve!!!!!!

[sizzlingdoom]

believe me flacco is only an average quarterback, you need to reduce his salary in order to bye other players. no one will pay him 20 mill a year. hes not worth it.when he won the superbowl he had real good players around him every year hes terrible with interceptions especially in the red zone terrible out of the pocket. wake up and smell the coffee.

Yeah, we're pretty screwed. Don't even think the Browns would take him. Besides Flacco and Harbaugh and his staff, this is a top 5 team. Unfortunately that's the QB and all the coaches. Steve is watching us to into the crows and he's not doing anything about it

[Derrel]

I'm starting to believe our billionaire owner is losing interest in owning this team. In one of the biggest games (Steelers) of the year for his team, he decides to stay home. I know it was Christmas, but it just seems a little odd. I could never imagine Jerry Jones or Bob Kraft missing a game of that magnitude. And I know Art Modell would never miss a divisional game that could possibly decide the division champs, not to mention a game against your arch rivals.

I just don't think Steve B cares as much, as we the fans, think he does.

I think this team is run totally by John and the owner has put a lot of trust and faith in him. That is why, I believe, John is not that concerned about his decisions or what the fan base thinks. I believe John's relationship with Steve is closer then anyone elses in the Ravens organization. Even closer then Steve's relationship with Ozzie. If push comes too shove, Ozzie will go before John will.

Even if things go south in 2017, I think John will still be the head coach of the Ravens, but the surprise, to a lot of us, will be the firing of the entire front office.
John is "a do gooder" and he and Steve have a lot in common. For better or worse they both see life the same way.

When watching that joint news conference on Tuesday, watch how uncomfortable Ozzy looks sitting there while John is in a comfort zone knowing that his boss is his "bff". He and Steve are of the same mindset. John will have no problems throwing people under the bus while Ozzie is going to be very calculated with his words. Ozzie totally understands the situation that he is in.

Of course this is just all my opinion, and that's all it is, an opinion.

I've always thought Harbaugh was a 'corporate' guy. He has never impressed me as a solid coach on the field. His focus is on relationships with some coaches and the owner. There's a reason Belichek and Andy Reed win. Anybody ever see the program showing Belichek's last years in Cleveland? Very impressive to see him run meetings with his coaches back in the day. Some significant players mailed in the Cincy game....Flacco, Suggs, Dumerville, Williams, all the DB's. Not a good sign for the coaches.

[Derrel]

I heard that CSN was dropping coverage of the Ravens to concentrate on the Redskins. If true, that's a shame. As an out of town fan, I enjoy watching the pre and post game programs as well as the Harbaugh Monday press briefing. Also, Touchdown Baltimore. A shout out to Preston who always tells the truth about the state of the Ravens. Hope all of these programs come back.

[balfan23]

20 hours ago, BiggMack91 said:

your excited to watch marty an the offense go 3 an out and dean to keep playing zone with CB's 10 yards back playing soft D giving any decent QB great chances at scoring or jerry for being one of the worst special team coordinators if not for tucker so if your exited for another losing season then good luck too you

Aside from your post, I have to include @RavenManiac#7 @raven4evr @bigcatfrank

In general, when a comment is followed by an ellipsis ( ... ) it sort of indicates sarcasm. 

 I am not sure I've seen a single person who is "excited" to see us move forward with this status quo. I certainly AM NOT. 

Again - I kind of get the argument for keeping Marty. I think Pees has run his course and the run game has basically been crap for years and I don't understand how Castillo isn't held responsible at some level for that. 

[Wildwest Raven]

Ah-h-h so THIS is where our problems are...who knew!!..
we'll be Kickbutt next year NOW!!!...not

[Raven1995]

  19 hours ago, jdynamite said:

  20 hours ago, merryjman said:

I will admit that I used to be a Castillo hater, especially in the year after the SB when we kept running #27 from the shotgun in the oh-so-predictable draw plays.

But if you're being honest, you have to admit that our offensive line has been pretty darn good, considering (a) all the injuries that have plagued them the last two seasons, and (b) the constant need to learn new blocking schemes with each new coordinator. The offensive line has to function as one body, with all five of them on the same page and being able to rely on each other. If a key piece is hurt (Wagner, Stanley, Yanda, Lewis - seriously, 4 out of 5 starters this year!) or if they have to learn a new scheme, their play will suffer!

Think about how great they played the last time we won a SB, where even McKinnie played well because the coaches benched him for several games to rest him up. Joe threw 11 touchdowns and zero interceptions, and nobody even got close to sacking him most of the time. It wasn't that Joe played better, it was the O line.

So I no longer blame Castillo, and don't think he should be fired.

 Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but since you mentioned the 2012 SB run let's recall Juan Castillo was not apart of that he was Eagles DC then.   

*he became the Run game coordinator in 2013 and it was widely reported he was running the show as oline coach from behind the scenes. 

Regardless as the Run game coordinator the team regressed significantly in Rushing in 2013. 

2014 - was all kubiak

2015-2016. Back to back abysmal rushing attacks  ( some could be attributed to play calling )

I'll give him credit for developing Wagner and having a hand in KO's.   

* 

I get what you're saying, but don't you think the bad performance in 2013 could also have been at least partly due to new pieces in the line (Birk, McKinnie, Oher all left), a basically new OC (Caldwell) and - the fact people always miss - Ray Rice having a pretty bad season? If you blame Castillo instead, and then give Kubiak all the credit in 2014, that seems kind of unfair.

Seems more fair to say that the zone run scheme takes a while to get good at, and in Kubiak's year it fell into place, and then Trestman basically abandoned it so the O line and Castillo had to start over. And now they'll start over again with Mornhinweg :/

Oher was still their, and Mckinney got traded mid season to Miami. Gradkowski was very bad and didn't even know when to hike the ball, Yanda had to slap him on his arm to let him know. Also, KO missed half a season with a bad back and AQ Shipley was the LG. TE was very bad with Dallas Clark and Ed Dickson. Rice and Pierce had a combined 3 yard carry average. I agree Kubiak shouldn't get all the credit, However West and Dixion had over a 4 yard carry average so I don't think their is any starting over it is just running the ball 60% of the time and Keeping Flacco under 35 passes. Joe was 3 wins and 0 losses when throwing under 35 times last year, Mornhingweg has one year to get it right or all Coaches are gone

[Raven1995]

believe me flacco is only an average quarterback, you need to reduce his salary in order to bye other players. no one will pay him 20 mill a year. hes not worth it.when he won the superbowl he had real good players around him every year hes terrible with interceptions especially in the red zone terrible out of the pocket. wake up and smell the coffee.

They already renegotiated his contract, and you can't get rid of him the Dead Money in 2017 and 2018 would be about 50 million, the first chance the Ravens could get rid of Joe is at the beginning of the 2019 season. The Dead Money will be at a workable level.

[Raven1995]

  10 hours ago, Warren said:

I'm starting to believe our billionaire owner is losing interest in owning this team. In one of the biggest games (Steelers) of the year for his team, he decides to stay home. I know it was Christmas, but it just seems a little odd. I could never imagine Jerry Jones or Bob Kraft missing a game of that magnitude. And I know Art Modell would never miss a divisional game that could possibly decide the division champs, not to mention a game against your arch rivals.

I just don't think Steve B cares as much, as we the fans, think he does.

I think this team is run totally by John and the owner has put a lot of trust and faith in him. That is why, I believe, John is not that concerned about his decisions or what the fan base thinks. I believe John's relationship with Steve is closer then anyone elses in the Ravens organization. Even closer then Steve's relationship with Ozzie. If push comes too shove, Ozzie will go before John will.

Even if things go south in 2017, I think John will still be the head coach of the Ravens, but the surprise, to a lot of us, will be the firing of the entire front office.
John is "a do gooder" and he and Steve have a lot in common. For better or worse they both see life the same way.

When watching that joint news conference on Tuesday, watch how uncomfortable Ozzy looks sitting there while John is in a comfort zone knowing that his boss is his "bff". He and Steve are of the same mindset. John will have no problems throwing people under the bus while Ozzie is going to be very calculated with his words. Ozzie totally understands the situation that he is in.

Of course this is just all my opinion, and that's all it is, an opinion.

I've always thought Harbaugh was a 'corporate' guy. He has never impressed me as a solid coach on the field. His focus is on relationships with some coaches and the owner. There's a reason Belichek and Andy Reed win. Anybody ever see the program showing Belichek's last years in Cleveland? Very impressive to see him run meetings with his coaches back in the day. Some significant players mailed in the Cincy game....Flacco, Suggs, Dumerville, Williams, all the DB's. Not a good sign for the coaches.

I watched that 30 for 30 show about a dozen times. In 1995 the Browns players quit playing and even the players admitted it. Harbaugh has one season to get it right. He has an Easy schedule next year. The only hard game I saw was playing a road game against Green Bay. Good Luck to Ozzie and get great Draft picks in the first 3 rounds and stop Worrying about the 4th round, and Marty run the Heck out of theball and I don't want to see Flacco throw over 40 times the whole year.

[Raven1995]

I heard that CSN was dropping coverage of the Ravens to concentrate on the Redskins. If true, that's a shame. As an out of town fan, I enjoy watching the pre and post game programs as well as the Harbaugh Monday press briefing. Also, Touchdown Baltimore. A shout out to Preston who always tells the truth about the state of the Ravens. Hope all of these programs come back.

If that's true it sucks. I always liked watching the after game show.

[Edgar]

After six years it was clear Washington had to go. The new assistant will make a huge difference going forward...you know..as an assistant coach.

[DBsRAVENS]

  18 hours ago, RavenManiac#7 said:

  21 hours ago, balfan23 said:

  21 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

Bob Rogucki was over due.... no surprise there.

Washington took the fall for Castillo- SMH

I hope these cursory moves are not a smoke screen to look like changes were made.

I hope Dean Pees follows. I really think Castillo should be on the blocks.... this wasn't exactly sweeping changes that is going to change the culture in the organization and get us back to winning

Hope this is just the start of a signicant house cleaning.

That's not going to happen. From a previous article: 

"Harbaugh said he’s excited to move forward with all three coordinators, including Defensive Coordinator Dean Pees and Special Teams Coordinator Jerry Rosburg."

We are all excited as well ... 

I'm not excited. I'm very disappointed to learn that it appears Harbaugh will be retained. I'm even more disappointed that he's keeping our OC and DC too. I was so hoping that Mr. Bisciotti would move on from Harbaugh or, at the very least, if he just refused to fire him, put him on notice that the only way he could stay would be to replace Both coordinators and, also, show tangible improvement with the team next year. I was hoping for, at least, that. Harbaugh has succeeded in taking a lot of the fun out of watching the Ravens these past few years. I love my team, so I'm sticking with it through thick or thin. But, my goodness, does Harbaugh ever make it painful to watch.

Whats more fun than a 28-27 game? you want Raven blow outs-

I get it that at some point for some NFL teams, totally gutting an organization needs to be done. I do not see that for the Ravens for 2017. You make a point but then contradict it by an ultimatum which makes no sense. If you want to give a coach a timeline to "shape up or ship out" you don't tell him who he can use to do it. That is the point of why you tell him -its his job. Furthermore, its not Harbs fault that the OC's have left, if anyone as far as the final decision It is Bisciotti's he is the owner. He makes the deals and decides who stays and who doesn't as far as the front office and major releases such as Kubiak. The Ravens are an organization that promotes growth for their staff. It can work both ways. Some teams like the Patriots..not so much. Its just the nature of the Ravens way.
As far as Harbs leaving, I think it will be a mutual thing. I expect that the Ravens will have a winning record next year or Harbs will not be feeling too good about his performance himself. But to rip out what staff has taken hold over this year, I think would be a mistake. Obviously so do Harbs and Bisciotti, and they are who count.
As they see on the grid iron, "we will see". Go Ravens!

PS I like the idea of moving some assistant coaches around.

Also after visiting a few of the practices this year I might make comments;
-a little less of the broken particle/regiment practices
-and increase practice the following;
suggestions; more Full team- work the line schemes- Defensive drop zone coverage- multi schemes from the same formation both sides of the ball- audible- play action - audible - play action, did I mention - audible - play action
also cut out some more of the goofing off- this team was too nonchalant at camp to be 8-8!-

Thank you! After watching the Ravens training camp practices, I came away thinking there is nothing hard about these practices. This past summer, I questioned why the offense didn't even attempt passes of 20 yards or more during practice. It was all dink and dunk check down passes. And that carried over from the summer training camp to the regular season games.

[steelcityraven]

  23 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

Bob Rogucki was over due.... no surprise there.

Washington took the fall for Castillo- SMH

I hope these cursory moves are not a smoke screen to look like changes were made.

I hope Dean Pees follows. I really think Castillo should be on the blocks.... this wasn't exactly sweeping changes that is going to change the culture in the organization and get us back to winning

Hope this is just the start of a signicant house cleaning.

That's not going to happen. From a previous article: 

"Harbaugh said he’s excited to move forward with all three coordinators, including Defensive Coordinator Dean Pees and Special Teams Coordinator Jerry Rosburg."

We are all excited as well ... 

balfan.... if you are excited to have Dean Pees back.... I am not sure that you watched a single Ravens game over the past 3 plus seasons.

We have a lot of talent on the defensive side of the ball.
CJ-is a probolwer
Weddle- played as well as any safety in the league
BWilliams- is probably the best run stopping interior DL in the game
Zach Orr -out played CJ who made the probowl
Jimmy is one of the top CBs in the game
Suggs lead the team in sacks.
Timmy... while a little inconsistent...played good enough to deserve to be in the pro-bowl conversation
Tavon Young...played as well as any rookie CB not named Ramsey
Michael Pierce.... played at a very high level.

That is 9 of our defensive starters who played at a very high level this year... (not too many teams can say that)

Yet... of our 8 loses this season... we blew seven 2nd half leads and we blew another seven 2nd half leads last season. .

Including 9 fourth quarter leads over the past two season and including 5 double digit fourth quarter leads.

Pees has no clue how to close a team out. Pees has not clue how to hold a lead. Since he has got here... no lead is safe...

(Anotinio Brown, Crabtee, Odell Beckham, Chris Hogan all closed us out in the 4th quarter... not to mention the unlikely heroics of Ryan Fitzpatrick who helped the hapless JETS to erase a double digit 2nd half lead and beat us in the 4th quarter this year).

Last season.... It was AJ Green 2x... it was Josh McCown throwing for 400 yards vs our great defense.... it was Colin Kapernick and the woeful 49ers who lit us up... it was the CHIEFS and SEAHAWKS putting up 35 points on us... it was a Peyton Manning with zero left in the gas tank who lead the team to a 4th quarter victory over us. it was squandering fourth quarter leads to the Cards and the woeful Jags)

many people will say about our injuries last season... but 2014 and 2016 looked an awful lot like 2015 for us.

So back to my original statement. Dean Pees cannot hold a lead.... He hasn't in three plus season. He has no clue how to close a team out and 40 some games is a large enough sample. He can no longer make excuses bc he has a ton of talent on the defensive side of the ball (with 8 or so of our defensive players playing at a very high level). He just has not cut it and showing me nothing to make me think he can...

So if you are excited to have him back... I really don't know how much you have watched the Ravens play over the past 3 plus seasons... (it is the same song and dance). If you are excited to have him back... I really do not know what makes you believe that he can be different?

I hope it is not his bogus defensive ranking. BC his ranking meant nothing in our 8 loses.... where we surrendered 2nd half leads over and over. Having 5th ranked defense means nothing when you don't make the play offs two years in a row. (and we cannot blame that on the offense) In 4 of our 8 loses this season we scored at least 23 points.

In 7 of our 8 loses we blew 2nd half leads
In 5 of our 8 loses we blew 4th quarter leads
In 3 of our 8 loses we blew double digit 4th quarter leads.

(even if we just win those last 3 games we are 11-5 and probably win the division)... if we don't blow a 4th quarter lead... we are 13-3 with wins over the Patriots, Raider, Steelers and a blow out over the dolphins- all the play off teams)

I said Pees should go... and nothing that he has shown me suggests otherwise... If you are optimistic about his return... I believe that you are letting your fandom cloud you vision. Sorry but I just don't see anything different under Pees... No matter who we have dressing on the defensive side of the ball.

[balfan23]

3 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

balfan.... if you are excited to have Dean Pees back.... I am not sure that you watched a single Ravens game over the past 3 plus seasons.

We have a lot of talent on the defensive side of the ball.
CJ-is a probolwer
Weddle- played as well as any safety in the league
BWilliams- is probably the best run stopping interior DL in the game
Zach Orr -out played CJ who made the probowl
Jimmy is one of the top CBs in the game
Suggs lead the team in sacks.
Timmy... while a little inconsistent...played good enough to deserve to be in the pro-bowl conversation
Tavon Young...played as well as any rookie CB not named Ramsey
Michael Pierce.... played at a very high level.

That is 9 of our defensive starters who played at a very high level this year... (not too many teams can say that)

Yet... of our 8 loses this season... we blew seven 2nd half leads and we blew another seven 2nd half leads last season. .

Including 9 fourth quarter leads over the past two season and including 5 double digit fourth quarter leads.

Pees has no clue how to close a team out. Pees has not clue how to hold a lead. Since he has got here... no lead is safe...

(Anotinio Brown, Crabtee, Odell Beckham, Chris Hogan all closed us out in the 4th quarter... not to mention the unlikely heroics of Ryan Fitzpatrick who helped the hapless JETS to erase a double digit 2nd half lead and beat us in the 4th quarter this year).

Last season.... It was AJ Green 2x... it was Josh McCown throwing for 400 yards vs our great defense.... it was Colin Kapernick and the woeful 49ers who lit us up... it was the CHIEFS and SEAHAWKS putting up 35 points on us... it was a Peyton Manning with zero left in the gas tank who lead the team to a 4th quarter victory over us. it was squandering fourth quarter leads to the Cards and the woeful Jags)

many people will say about our injuries last season... but 2014 and 2016 looked an awful lot like 2015 for us.

So back to my original statement. Dean Pees cannot hold a lead.... He hasn't in three plus season. He has no clue how to close a team out and 40 some games is a large enough sample. He can no longer make excuses bc he has a ton of talent on the defensive side of the ball (with 8 or so of our defensive players playing at a very high level). He just has not cut it and showing me nothing to make me think he can...

So if you are excited to have him back... I really don't know how much you have watched the Ravens play over the past 3 plus seasons... (it is the same song and dance). If you are excited to have him back... I really do not know what makes you believe that he can be different?

I hope it is not his bogus defensive ranking. BC his ranking meant nothing in our 8 loses.... where we surrendered 2nd half leads over and over. Having 5th ranked defense means nothing when you don't make the play offs two years in a row. (and we cannot blame that on the offense) In 4 of our 8 loses this season we scored at least 23 points.

In 7 of our 8 loses we blew 2nd half leads
In 5 of our 8 loses we blew 4th quarter leads
In 3 of our 8 loses we blew double digit 4th quarter leads.

(even if we just win those last 3 games we are 11-5 and probably win the division)... if we don't blow a 4th quarter lead... we are 13-3 with wins over the Patriots, Raider, Steelers and a blow out over the dolphins- all the play off teams)

I said Pees should go... and nothing that he has shown me suggests otherwise... If you are optimistic about his return... I believe that you are letting your fandom cloud you vision. Sorry but I just don't see anything different under Pees... No matter who we have dressing on the defensive side of the ball.

OMG people for about the 10th time IT IS CALLED SARCASM! I thought it would be obvious

I think I just need to go back and delete my post because people keep responding to it. I've re-posted to the majority of the people freaking out about it to clarify. I've had about 15 posts speaking on my displeasure on keeping Pees. I've said that I am not thrilled about Marty being retained, but it is at least understandable because he didn't  even have a full season to prove his worth. 

Pees has run his course. The late game collapses cannot be dismissed as anything but a failure in coaching. 

 

[manofsteel]

Please do everyone a favor and for the Baltimore Ravens and trade off Jimmi Smith. He is ALWAYS hurt and he is the worst cornerback I have ever watched.

[Ravensfansince03]

Sooo we are blaming the coaches for Suggs and Watson's injury?!

[Ravensfansince03]

I do not know how many people will lose their jobs with this organization until they realize it is Harbaugh. Make no mistake, we have some poor scouts, and whoever is drafting our picks should be re-evaluated, but the fact of the matter is that John harbaugh has this team playing with low energy, inconsistent and a non-defensive mindset. He also has poor judgement.

[Ravensfansince03]

Please do everyone a favor and for the Baltimore Ravens and trade off Jimmi Smith. He is ALWAYS hurt and he is the worst cornerback I have ever watched.

Ok, I'm putting you in timeout. Now go sit in the corner.

[Warren]

  On 1/6/2017 at 8:49 AM, Derrel said:

I heard that CSN was dropping coverage of the Ravens to concentrate on the Redskins. If true, that's a shame. As an out of town fan, I enjoy watching the pre and post game programs as well as the Harbaugh Monday press briefing. Also, Touchdown Baltimore. A shout out to Preston who always tells the truth about the state of the Ravens. Hope all of these programs come back.

If that's true it sucks. I always liked watching the after game show.

It's because the Ravens are a boring team, John Harbaugh made sure of this. He's boring and likes boring players. I'm really starting to dislike our self righteous "little leader of mighty men".

[bigcatfrank1]

  On 1/6/2017 at 9:45 AM, Derrel said:

  On 1/5/2017 at 11:16 PM, Warren said:

I'm starting to believe our billionaire owner is losing interest in owning this team. In one of the biggest games (Steelers) of the year for his team, he decides to stay home. I know it was Christmas, but it just seems a little odd. I could never imagine Jerry Jones or Bob Kraft missing a game of that magnitude. And I know Art Modell would never miss a divisional game that could possibly decide the division champs, not to mention a game against your arch rivals.

I just don't think Steve B cares as much, as we the fans, think he does.

I think this team is run totally by John and the owner has put a lot of trust and faith in him. That is why, I believe, John is not that concerned about his decisions or what the fan base thinks. I believe John's relationship with Steve is closer then anyone elses in the Ravens organization. Even closer then Steve's relationship with Ozzie. If push comes too shove, Ozzie will go before John will.

Even if things go south in 2017, I think John will still be the head coach of the Ravens, but the surprise, to a lot of us, will be the firing of the entire front office.
John is "a do gooder" and he and Steve have a lot in common. For better or worse they both see life the same way.

When watching that joint news conference on Tuesday, watch how uncomfortable Ozzy looks sitting there while John is in a comfort zone knowing that his boss is his "bff". He and Steve are of the same mindset. John will have no problems throwing people under the bus while Ozzie is going to be very calculated with his words. Ozzie totally understands the situation that he is in.

Of course this is just all my opinion, and that's all it is, an opinion.

I've always thought Harbaugh was a 'corporate' guy. He has never impressed me as a solid coach on the field. His focus is on relationships with some coaches and the owner. There's a reason Belichek and Andy Reed win. Anybody ever see the program showing Belichek's last years in Cleveland? Very impressive to see him run meetings with his coaches back in the day. Some significant players mailed in the Cincy game....Flacco, Suggs, Dumerville, Williams, all the DB's. Not a good sign for the coaches.

I watched that 30 for 30 show about a dozen times. In 1995 the Browns players quit playing and even the players admitted it. Harbaugh has one season to get it right. He has an Easy schedule next year. The only hard game I saw was playing a road game against Green Bay. Good Luck to Ozzie and get great Draft picks in the first 3 rounds and stop Worrying about the 4th round, and Marty run the Heck out of theball and I don't want to see Flacco throw over 40 times the whole year.

There would be no reason to keep Joe Flacco and not have him throw the Ball. Really, WR just catch 10 of the dropped balls this year out of the 30+ would have made a huge difference. There were too many. I will not call Joe the most accurate QB and I would agree he has struggled these past 2 years however it was obvious due to an injury.
But man we needed some play makers to step up.

This team simply needs 250-500 yds more on the ground. I don't know who is going to rise up and get it for us, but the 1 and 2 yd gains won't do it.
Sure Balance, but right now it tips in Flacco's favor until there is a RB who takes the rock and delivers.
PS we said that about this years schedule and The Ravens ended up playing a bit more difficult schedule than it appeared. They played against 7 teams with .500 records or better.and the Browns, Bengals, Jets, Jax, Bills and Eagles fell below .500.

[axisofeeble]

WOW,Browns get Greg Williams and John remains loyal to Pees,just what we needed more prevent victory safety oriented bend don't break mediocrity.