[News] Report: Ravens Part Ways With Two Coaches

[sami]

I will admit that I used to be a Castillo hater, especially in the year after the SB when we kept running #27 from the shotgun in the oh-so-predictable draw plays.

But if you're being honest, you have to admit that our offensive line has been pretty darn good, considering (a) all the injuries that have plagued them the last two seasons, and (b) the constant need to learn new blocking schemes with each new coordinator. The offensive line has to function as one body, with all five of them on the same page and being able to rely on each other. If a key piece is hurt (Wagner, Stanley, Yanda, Lewis - seriously, 4 out of 5 starters this year!) or if they have to learn a new scheme, their play will suffer!

Think about how great they played the last time we won a SB, where even McKinnie played well because the coaches benched him for several games to rest him up. Joe threw 11 touchdowns and zero interceptions, and nobody even got close to sacking him most of the time. It wasn't that Joe played better, it was the O line.

So I no longer blame Castillo, and don't think he should be fired.

I agree with you, merryjman. All of these people crying for certain people to be fired have never been to a practice or a meeting and yet claim to know more than the head coach. With just a couple more defensive stops we could have been in the playoffs. Getting a new assistant coach with new ideas will help. Keeping the same OC and OLC will keep some consistency, something our offensive line and offense really needs.

[jdynamite]

How is it when Castillo was the oline assistant and they underperformed he got promoted? And now the unit struggles and Castillo keeps his job while his assistant is the scapegoat!

Ridiculous run game struggled with this guy 3 out 4 years the one exception being when Kubiak actually coached it all!

 

How many more years of Pees defense giving up 4th quarter leads before there's some pressure on him or will he have to decide to go coach in college like Mattison for us to move forward. 

[Crusader]

Assistant Offensive Line Coach Todd Washington could not get Juan Castillo's Offensive Line to block better and Director of Strength & Conditioning Rob Rogucki did not make the Dan Pees Defense strong enough to last the 4th quarter. "Now we know the Rest of the Story."

[jdynamite]

1 hour ago, merryjman said:

I will admit that I used to be a Castillo hater, especially in the year after the SB when we kept running #27 from the shotgun in the oh-so-predictable draw plays.

But if you're being honest, you have to admit that our offensive line has been pretty darn good, considering (a) all the injuries that have plagued them the last two seasons, and (b) the constant need to learn new blocking schemes with each new coordinator. The offensive line has to function as one body, with all five of them on the same page and being able to rely on each other. If a key piece is hurt (Wagner, Stanley, Yanda, Lewis - seriously, 4 out of 5 starters this year!) or if they have to learn a new scheme, their play will suffer!

Think about how great they played the last time we won a SB, where even McKinnie played well because the coaches benched him for several games to rest him up. Joe threw 11 touchdowns and zero interceptions, and nobody even got close to sacking him most of the time. It wasn't that Joe played better, it was the O line.

So I no longer blame Castillo, and don't think he should be fired.

 Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but since you mentioned the 2012 SB run let's recall Juan Castillo was not apart of that he was Eagles DC then.   

*he became the Run game coordinator in 2013 and it was widely reported he was running the show as oline coach from behind the scenes. 

Regardless as the Run game coordinator the team regressed significantly in Rushing in 2013. 

2014 - was all kubiak

2015-2016. Back to back abysmal rushing attacks  ( some could be attributed to play calling )

I'll give him credit for developing Wagner and having a hand in KO's.   

* 

[Ravenous_Ravens]

I will admit that I used to be a Castillo hater, especially in the year after the SB when we kept running #27 from the shotgun in the oh-so-predictable draw plays.

But if you're being honest, you have to admit that our offensive line has been pretty darn good, considering (a) all the injuries that have plagued them the last two seasons, and (b) the constant need to learn new blocking schemes with each new coordinator. The offensive line has to function as one body, with all five of them on the same page and being able to rely on each other. If a key piece is hurt (Wagner, Stanley, Yanda, Lewis - seriously, 4 out of 5 starters this year!) or if they have to learn a new scheme, their play will suffer!

Think about how great they played the last time we won a SB, where even McKinnie played well because the coaches benched him for several games to rest him up. Joe threw 11 touchdowns and zero interceptions, and nobody even got close to sacking him most of the time. It wasn't that Joe played better, it was the O line.

So I no longer blame Castillo, and don't think he should be fired.

Castillo's coaching strength is in teaching pass protection. His run schemes are more complicated than they need to be. IMHO this best serves his own interests, by making it more difficult to replace him by making himself the key to its success.

Case in point the zone run scheme (under Kubkiak led-offense) we saw first hand players able to play fast and less decisions to have to make, which reduces chances of making mistakes/errors. There was still shuffling along the offensive line, but you couldn't tell mostly because the drop off was minimal.

There's an acronym that seems fitting that comes to mind:
KISS "Keep It Stupid <-> Simple"

[billiejean]

18 minutes ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

1 hour ago, merryjman said:

I will admit that I used to be a Castillo hater, especially in the year after the SB when we kept running #27 from the shotgun in the oh-so-predictable draw plays.

But if you're being honest, you have to admit that our offensive line has been pretty darn good, considering (a) all the injuries that have plagued them the last two seasons, and (b) the constant need to learn new blocking schemes with each new coordinator. The offensive line has to function as one body, with all five of them on the same page and being able to rely on each other. If a key piece is hurt (Wagner, Stanley, Yanda, Lewis - seriously, 4 out of 5 starters this year!) or if they have to learn a new scheme, their play will suffer!

Think about how great they played the last time we won a SB, where even McKinnie played well because the coaches benched him for several games to rest him up. Joe threw 11 touchdowns and zero interceptions, and nobody even got close to sacking him most of the time. It wasn't that Joe played better, it was the O line.

So I no longer blame Castillo, and don't think he should be fired.

Castillo's coaching strength is in teaching pass protection. His run schemes are more complicated than they need to be. IMHO this best serves his own interests, by making it more difficult to replace him by making himself the key to its success.

Case in point the zone run scheme (under Kubkiak led-offense) we saw first hand players able to play fast and less decisions to have to make, which reduces chances of making mistakes/errors. There was still shuffling along the offensive line, but you couldn't tell mostly because the drop off was minimal.

There's an acronym that seems fitting that comes to mind:
KISS "Keep It Stupid <-> Simple"

Castillo doesn't decide what blocking schemes are going to be used. That depends on the OC and what type of offense he is trying to run.  Obviously he has some input but the blocking scheme for the most part is determined by what type of offense is being run.  It not as if the OL are an autonomous entity on the field. They cant just do there own thing.  That said I would love nothing more than to see more of the zone scheme  that was used with Kubes.  Not only did it help in the running game but Joe also seemed to be more decisive when Kube was here because of the correlation between reads and his footwork.

Edited January 5 by billiejean

[billiejean]

I will admit that I used to be a Castillo hater, especially in the year after the SB when we kept running #27 from the shotgun in the oh-so-predictable draw plays.

But if you're being honest, you have to admit that our offensive line has been pretty darn good, considering (a) all the injuries that have plagued them the last two seasons, and (b) the constant need to learn new blocking schemes with each new coordinator. The offensive line has to function as one body, with all five of them on the same page and being able to rely on each other. If a key piece is hurt (Wagner, Stanley, Yanda, Lewis - seriously, 4 out of 5 starters this year!) or if they have to learn a new scheme, their play will suffer!

Think about how great they played the last time we won a SB, where even McKinnie played well because the coaches benched him for several games to rest him up. Joe threw 11 touchdowns and zero interceptions, and nobody even got close to sacking him most of the time. It wasn't that Joe played better, it was the O line.

So I no longer blame Castillo, and don't think he should be fired.

Why would you think that Castilo has anything to do with play calling, Im referring to the #27 draw play reference,

[fusuymada]

This is going to be a very bad year coming up. I know Bisciotti didn't get rich in business by hiring his buddies and firing everyone else. I understand that he likes to delegate and in business that is fine because when people underperform he eventually fires them but it doesnt work that way with fans. When fans keep seeing stupidity emanating from their team, they expect that someone will step in and fix it or (and ask the Orioles) your fans disappear. I guess they dont need to ask the Orioles, they could have looked in their own stands. Not only are we a crappy team, but the fans are starting to bail out. When John went to Steve and said we are keeping Marty and Juan, Steve should have saved a year and went ahead and fired him because he's going to have to do it next year anyway. Only bad part is he is now losing the fan base.

I remember when Orioles games were sold out for years when they first built Camden Yards and were winning. Then they decided to make poor decisions and now, even in a penant race, they were drawing like 15,000 fans/game. That's sad. Unfortunately, that story is repeating itself with the Ravens and it is a shame that Bisciotti doesn't realize that once you lose the fans, its not a matter of changing coaches and its all okay (once again, see the Orioles).

[merryjman]

  1 hour ago, merryjman said:

I will admit that I used to be a Castillo hater, especially in the year after the SB when we kept running #27 from the shotgun in the oh-so-predictable draw plays.

But if you're being honest, you have to admit that our offensive line has been pretty darn good, considering (a) all the injuries that have plagued them the last two seasons, and (b) the constant need to learn new blocking schemes with each new coordinator. The offensive line has to function as one body, with all five of them on the same page and being able to rely on each other. If a key piece is hurt (Wagner, Stanley, Yanda, Lewis - seriously, 4 out of 5 starters this year!) or if they have to learn a new scheme, their play will suffer!

Think about how great they played the last time we won a SB, where even McKinnie played well because the coaches benched him for several games to rest him up. Joe threw 11 touchdowns and zero interceptions, and nobody even got close to sacking him most of the time. It wasn't that Joe played better, it was the O line.

So I no longer blame Castillo, and don't think he should be fired.

 Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but since you mentioned the 2012 SB run let's recall Juan Castillo was not apart of that he was Eagles DC then.   

*he became the Run game coordinator in 2013 and it was widely reported he was running the show as oline coach from behind the scenes. 

Regardless as the Run game coordinator the team regressed significantly in Rushing in 2013. 

2014 - was all kubiak

2015-2016. Back to back abysmal rushing attacks  ( some could be attributed to play calling )

I'll give him credit for developing Wagner and having a hand in KO's.   

* 

I get what you're saying, but don't you think the bad performance in 2013 could also have been at least partly due to new pieces in the line (Birk, McKinnie, Oher all left), a basically new OC (Caldwell) and - the fact people always miss - Ray Rice having a pretty bad season? If you blame Castillo instead, and then give Kubiak all the credit in 2014, that seems kind of unfair.

Seems more fair to say that the zone run scheme takes a while to get good at, and in Kubiak's year it fell into place, and then Trestman basically abandoned it so the O line and Castillo had to start over. And now they'll start over again with Mornhinweg :/

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

This is going to be a very bad year coming up. I know Bisciotti didn't get rich in business by hiring his buddies and firing everyone else. I understand that he likes to delegate and in business that is fine because when people underperform he eventually fires them but it doesnt work that way with fans. When fans keep seeing stupidity emanating from their team, they expect that someone will step in and fix it or (and ask the Orioles) your fans disappear. I guess they dont need to ask the Orioles, they could have looked in their own stands. Not only are we a crappy team, but the fans are starting to bail out. When John went to Steve and said we are keeping Marty and Juan, Steve should have saved a year and went ahead and fired him because he's going to have to do it next year anyway. Only bad part is he is now losing the fan base.

I remember when Orioles games were sold out for years when they first built Camden Yards and were winning. Then they decided to make poor decisions and now, even in a penant race, they were drawing like 15,000 fans/game. That's sad. Unfortunately, that story is repeating itself with the Ravens and it is a shame that Bisciotti doesn't realize that once you lose the fans, its not a matter of changing coaches and its all okay (once again, see the Orioles).

Your are right just put it off another year and there will be less quality coordinators available

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  2 hours ago, merryjman said:

I will admit that I used to be a Castillo hater, especially in the year after the SB when we kept running #27 from the shotgun in the oh-so-predictable draw plays.

But if you're being honest, you have to admit that our offensive line has been pretty darn good, considering (a) all the injuries that have plagued them the last two seasons, and (b) the constant need to learn new blocking schemes with each new coordinator. The offensive line has to function as one body, with all five of them on the same page and being able to rely on each other. If a key piece is hurt (Wagner, Stanley, Yanda, Lewis - seriously, 4 out of 5 starters this year!) or if they have to learn a new scheme, their play will suffer!

Think about how great they played the last time we won a SB, where even McKinnie played well because the coaches benched him for several games to rest him up. Joe threw 11 touchdowns and zero interceptions, and nobody even got close to sacking him most of the time. It wasn't that Joe played better, it was the O line.

So I no longer blame Castillo, and don't think he should be fired.

Why would you think that Castilo has anything to do with play calling, Im referring to the #27 draw play reference,

juan should have been fired a couple years ago he's the run game coordinator and teaches blocking and scheme so instead they fire his assistant

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

  2 hours ago, merryjman said:

I will admit that I used to be a Castillo hater, especially in the year after the SB when we kept running #27 from the shotgun in the oh-so-predictable draw plays.

But if you're being honest, you have to admit that our offensive line has been pretty darn good, considering (a) all the injuries that have plagued them the last two seasons, and (b) the constant need to learn new blocking schemes with each new coordinator. The offensive line has to function as one body, with all five of them on the same page and being able to rely on each other. If a key piece is hurt (Wagner, Stanley, Yanda, Lewis - seriously, 4 out of 5 starters this year!) or if they have to learn a new scheme, their play will suffer!

Think about how great they played the last time we won a SB, where even McKinnie played well because the coaches benched him for several games to rest him up. Joe threw 11 touchdowns and zero interceptions, and nobody even got close to sacking him most of the time. It wasn't that Joe played better, it was the O line.

So I no longer blame Castillo, and don't think he should be fired.

I agree with you, merryjman. All of these people crying for certain people to be fired have never been to a practice or a meeting and yet claim to know more than the head coach. With just a couple more defensive stops we could have been in the playoffs. Getting a new assistant coach with new ideas will help. Keeping the same OC and OLC will keep some consistency, something our offensive line and offense really needs.

I played organized football for 5 years Im pretty sure I know what im talking about and I have actually been to a ravens practice there are lots of fans that know as much as some of these coaches and consistency can be good or bad Pees has been consistently bad for years and as for marty look up the offenses that he coordinated they all ranked in the bottom of the league

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

Juan more season..... sighs

Dude that's a good one

[jdynamite]

1 hour ago, merryjman said:

I get what you're saying, but don't you think the bad performance in 2013 could also have been at least partly due to new pieces in the line (Birk, McKinnie, Oher all left), a basically new OC (Caldwell) and - the fact people always miss - Ray Rice having a pretty bad season? If you blame Castillo instead, and then give Kubiak all the credit in 2014, that seems kind of unfair.

Seems more fair to say that the zone run scheme takes a while to get good at, and in Kubiak's year it fell into place, and then Trestman basically abandoned it so the O line and Castillo had to start over. And now they'll start over again with Mornhinweg :/

So we gonna qualify Caldwell as the new OC although it was his playcalling through the Super Bowl run. 

Birk Retired, McKinnie only played half the season with passion anyway and Oher had 1 more year as a raven 2013 before he left for the Titans.

2014 Kubiak's year was when Oher was gone. And the team ran for a total of 2019 yds vs the other 3 years with Castillo minus kubiak 1328, 1478, and 1463 ( this year )  and I'm willing to give a bit of pass this year with the new cut block rules. 

 

Its undeniable the impact kubiak had on this team's rushing attack and oline. James Hurst actually looked serviceable in the 5 games he started as Rookie undrafted FA in 2014 and he's never looked anything close to that since lol

[RavenManiac#7]

  2 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

Bob Rogucki was over due.... no surprise there.

Washington took the fall for Castillo- SMH

I hope these cursory moves are not a smoke screen to look like changes were made.

I hope Dean Pees follows. I really think Castillo should be on the blocks.... this wasn't exactly sweeping changes that is going to change the culture in the organization and get us back to winning

Hope this is just the start of a signicant house cleaning.

That's not going to happen. From a previous article: 

"Harbaugh said he’s excited to move forward with all three coordinators, including Defensive Coordinator Dean Pees and Special Teams Coordinator Jerry Rosburg."

We are all excited as well ... 

I'm not excited. I'm very disappointed to learn that it appears Harbaugh will be retained. I'm even more disappointed that he's keeping our OC and DC too. I was so hoping that Mr. Bisciotti would move on from Harbaugh or, at the very least, if he just refused to fire him, put him on notice that the only way he could stay would be to replace Both coordinators and, also, show tangible improvement with the team next year. I was hoping for, at least, that. Harbaugh has succeeded in taking a lot of the fun out of watching the Ravens these past few years. I love my team, so I'm sticking with it through thick or thin. But, my goodness, does Harbaugh ever make it painful to watch.

[Moderator 3]

45 minutes ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

Your are right just put it off another year and there will be less quality coordinators available

Or maybe more and better.

[merryjman]

  1 hour ago, merryjman said:

I get what you're saying, but don't you think the bad performance in 2013 could also have been at least partly due to new pieces in the line (Birk, McKinnie, Oher all left), a basically new OC (Caldwell) and - the fact people always miss - Ray Rice having a pretty bad season? If you blame Castillo instead, and then give Kubiak all the credit in 2014, that seems kind of unfair.

Seems more fair to say that the zone run scheme takes a while to get good at, and in Kubiak's year it fell into place, and then Trestman basically abandoned it so the O line and Castillo had to start over. And now they'll start over again with Mornhinweg :/

So we gonna qualify Caldwell as the new OC although it was his playcalling through the Super Bowl run. 

Birk Retired, McKinnie only played half the season with passion anyway and Oher had 1 more year as a raven 2013 before he left for the Titans.

2014 Kubiak's year was when Oher was gone. And the team ran for a total of 2019 yds vs the other 3 years with Castillo minus kubiak 1328, 1478, and 1463 ( this year )  and I'm willing to give a bit of pass this year with the new cut block rules. 

 

Its undeniable the impact kubiak had on this team's rushing attack and oline. James Hurst actually looked serviceable in the 5 games he started as Rookie undrafted FA in 2014 and he's never looked anything close to that since lol

I agree with you about Kubiak's impact. I pointed out in another thread that he took a mediocre-at-best running back in Forsett and made him a pro bowler. No denying it, he's done that several times.

I'm simply saying it's not fair to blame Castillo when every year a new OC comes in and changes schemes again, then 2-4 starters leave or get hurt. Just saying there is a lag there between when a new line practices together and when it starts to click in games.

If Flacco gets pressured a lot again next year, and (assuming we run the ball at all) the rush game is again nonexistent, I will happily go back to hating Castillo again :)

(Caldwell was running Cameron's playbook during the SB run because it was so late, that's why I called him "basically new.")

[TheConquerorWorm]

  3 hours ago, The Greek said:

i like how they always bring up the 2014 season. kubs along with the coaches he brought with him were in charge of the offense 100%. castillo was his gopher that season. aside from 2014 the run game under castillo has been awful. he should be fired along with wr coach bobby engram. our receivers are not taught to come back and help out joe. look back for the ball, fight for the ball and continue to drop passes. need to try different drills to get the ball droppers to improve. a lot on the line for harbaugh and his entire coaching staff next season. as a fan i sure hope they figure it out so the season is not wasted.

glad to hear im not the only one who thinks Engram has been inadequate as WR coach. the development of our young WRs over the years have been dreadful

I've been saying that for years. You know why the Squealers & Pats always have great WRs. It's not from "drafting" them as many on here think. It's because they have a top notch WR coach with a great coaching resume. Engram was a good player but rarely do those guys succeed as coaches. Look at Ed Reed - Buffalo's defense (especially their secondary and safety play) was horrible.

[btfan2]

  2 hours ago, fusuymada said:

This is going to be a very bad year coming up. I know Bisciotti didn't get rich in business by hiring his buddies and firing everyone else. I understand that he likes to delegate and in business that is fine because when people underperform he eventually fires them but it doesnt work that way with fans. When fans keep seeing stupidity emanating from their team, they expect that someone will step in and fix it or (and ask the Orioles) your fans disappear. I guess they dont need to ask the Orioles, they could have looked in their own stands. Not only are we a crappy team, but the fans are starting to bail out. When John went to Steve and said we are keeping Marty and Juan, Steve should have saved a year and went ahead and fired him because he's going to have to do it next year anyway. Only bad part is he is now losing the fan base.

I remember when Orioles games were sold out for years when they first built Camden Yards and were winning. Then they decided to make poor decisions and now, even in a penant race, they were drawing like 15,000 fans/game. That's sad. Unfortunately, that story is repeating itself with the Ravens and it is a shame that Bisciotti doesn't realize that once you lose the fans, its not a matter of changing coaches and its all okay (once again, see the Orioles).

Your are right just put it off another year and there will be less quality coordinators available

I agree, I'm a Ravens fan. But; I will not watch or support a team the thrives on stupidly.

This is not near the organization it used to be. Hmm wonder why?

OH wait that's Joe's fault too.

[raven4evr]

I have four (4) words concerning the difference between the Ravens and Steelers... "They have better coaches".

[raven4evr]

  5 hours ago, balfan23 said:

  5 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

Bob Rogucki was over due.... no surprise there.

Washington took the fall for Castillo- SMH

I hope these cursory moves are not a smoke screen to look like changes were made.

I hope Dean Pees follows. I really think Castillo should be on the blocks.... this wasn't exactly sweeping changes that is going to change the culture in the organization and get us back to winning

Hope this is just the start of a signicant house cleaning.

That's not going to happen. From a previous article: 

"Harbaugh said he’s excited to move forward with all three coordinators, including Defensive Coordinator Dean Pees and Special Teams Coordinator Jerry Rosburg."

We are all excited as well ... 

I'm not excited. I'm very disappointed to learn that it appears Harbaugh will be retained. I'm even more disappointed that he's keeping our OC and DC too. I was so hoping that Mr. Bisciotti would move on from Harbaugh or, at the very least, if he just refused to fire him, put him on notice that the only way he could stay would be to replace Both coordinators and, also, show tangible improvement with the team next year. I was hoping for, at least, that. Harbaugh has succeeded in taking a lot of the fun out of watching the Ravens these past few years. I love my team, so I'm sticking with it through thick or thin. But, my goodness, does Harbaugh ever make it painful to watch.

Me too. Mr. B too loyal.

[Space11jams]

First off, everyone stating that they're upset that Harbs is still the coach needs to chill out. Why on earth would Steve fire Harbs? Then we'll be looking for a OC, DC and HC. How many really good HC is in the market right now? All the good ones are locked up for good reason and Harbs is one of them. You guys need stop being blind to the fact that we can't win them all. Yes it's been bad the last two years (before then was Kubiack's year) but Harbs has not lost the team. You want to know what the real problem is? Allowing the OC position to be a revolving door. Why don't these guys get contracts like HC's. maybe the high turnover, IDK but Harbs is still one hell of a coach. He has his down times like clock management which is just not on him but still he's a really good coach and you guys would be really upset if he was gone and we got a medicore head coach that doesn't inspire a lint brush. We need a OC that will stay and if you take a look at all the good OC, they're not leaving there current positions for the same position somewhere else unless the team is just that bad which is uncommon. They can become HC somewhere else because teams are always firing coaches and starting all over which is why those same teams never make the playoffs. Where is the logic in that? You have to have continuity and it starts with the HC. I do think we need a change at DC and OC but who will we get? Honestly? That will transition to the same job? It's a lot that goes into it. I would've done the same thing. Sat both of them down, give them one more shot and go out and look for other coaches that will aid them like Fraizer is doing with the DB's. Stress to Marty that if he wants to keep his position he must have a balance pass/run attack and go from their. Firing John would basically throw next season out the window because that person is going to want to bring their own philosophy which we're trying to establish once again. That would be a disaster

[billiejean]

15 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

17 hours ago, sami said:

  6 hours ago, merryjman said:

I will admit that I used to be a Castillo hater, especially in the year after the SB when we kept running #27 from the shotgun in the oh-so-predictable draw plays.

But if you're being honest, you have to admit that our offensive line has been pretty darn good, considering (a) all the injuries that have plagued them the last two seasons, and (b) the constant need to learn new blocking schemes with each new coordinator. The offensive line has to function as one body, with all five of them on the same page and being able to rely on each other. If a key piece is hurt (Wagner, Stanley, Yanda, Lewis - seriously, 4 out of 5 starters this year!) or if they have to learn a new scheme, their play will suffer!

Think about how great they played the last time we won a SB, where even McKinnie played well because the coaches benched him for several games to rest him up. Joe threw 11 touchdowns and zero interceptions, and nobody even got close to sacking him most of the time. It wasn't that Joe played better, it was the O line.

So I no longer blame Castillo, and don't think he should be fired.

I agree with you, merryjman. All of these people crying for certain people to be fired have never been to a practice or a meeting and yet claim to know more than the head coach. With just a couple more defensive stops we could have been in the playoffs. Getting a new assistant coach with new ideas will help. Keeping the same OC and OLC will keep some consistency, something our offensive line and offense really needs.

I played organized football for 5 years Im pretty sure I know what im talking about and I have actually been to a ravens practice there are lots of fans that know as much as some of these coaches and consistency can be good or bad Pees has been consistently bad for years and as for marty look up the offenses that he coordinated they all ranked in the bottom of the league

Is this satire?

"I played organized football for 5 years Im pretty sure I know what im talking about "

If you are being serious that line is the most absurd thing that I have read on this site (and people say some pretty absurd things here).

Edited January 6 by billiejean

[Bohica5]

First off, everyone stating that they're upset that Harbs is still the coach needs to chill out. Why on earth would Steve fire Harbs? Then we'll be looking for a OC, DC and HC. How many really good HC is in the market right now? All the good ones are locked up for good reason and Harbs is one of them. You guys need stop being blind to the fact that we can't win them all. Yes it's been bad the last two years (before then was Kubiack's year) but Harbs has not lost the team. You want to know what the real problem is? Allowing the OC position to be a revolving door. Why don't these guys get contracts like HC's. maybe the high turnover, IDK but Harbs is still one hell of a coach. He has his down times like clock management which is just not on him but still he's a really good coach and you guys would be really upset if he was gone and we got a medicore head coach that doesn't inspire a lint brush. We need a OC that will stay and if you take a look at all the good OC, they're not leaving there current positions for the same position somewhere else unless the team is just that bad which is uncommon. They can become HC somewhere else because teams are always firing coaches and starting all over which is why those same teams never make the playoffs. Where is the logic in that? You have to have continuity and it starts with the HC. I do think we need a change at DC and OC but who will we get? Honestly? That will transition to the same job? It's a lot that goes into it. I would've done the same thing. Sat both of them down, give them one more shot and go out and look for other coaches that will aid them like Fraizer is doing with the DB's. Stress to Marty that if he wants to keep his position he must have a balance pass/run attack and go from their. Firing John would basically throw next season out the window because that person is going to want to bring their own philosophy which we're trying to establish once again. That would be a disaster

So..........8-8 or 7-9 is fine with you!!?.............incredible!.....harbs rode Ray lewis's coattails and with out Ray harby is an average coach at best.......We gotta dump that lump and get a guy that can Coachup without Ray Lewis....OR Hire Ray Lewis...............harby is done!!

[Bohica5]

  5 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

Your are right just put it off another year and there will be less quality coordinators available

Or maybe more and better.

keep dreamin.........need a new HC now!!

[Crusader]

When do the Ravens run out of excuses? When they have a home games that turns into a way games again? Ravens were one of the most healthy teams at the end of the season and still could not get in. But they were supposedly were one play here, one play there to get in? Next time, when the Ravens get in again they need to STORM IN AGAIN.

[JamesA119]

This is so laughable. This is akin to cutting the 3rd string QB for the ineptitude of the starting offense.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I hope these 2 were the right ones to part ways with and not just scapegoats.
Personally I think 2 different coaches further up the food-chain should have been let go but that's just my opinion.

If we win the Super Bowl with these coaches that's about the only thing I can see as of right now to change my opinion.

 

Edited January 6 by ALSKAN RAVEN FAN

[GregRaven]

What a joke. Well, I guess somebody had to take the hit. Attention fans: Get ready for another 8-8 season.

[bigcatfrank1]

  8 hours ago, balfan23 said:

  8 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

Bob Rogucki was over due.... no surprise there.

Washington took the fall for Castillo- SMH

I hope these cursory moves are not a smoke screen to look like changes were made.

I hope Dean Pees follows. I really think Castillo should be on the blocks.... this wasn't exactly sweeping changes that is going to change the culture in the organization and get us back to winning

Hope this is just the start of a signicant house cleaning.

That's not going to happen. From a previous article: 

"Harbaugh said he’s excited to move forward with all three coordinators, including Defensive Coordinator Dean Pees and Special Teams Coordinator Jerry Rosburg."

We are all excited as well ... 

I'm not excited. I'm very disappointed to learn that it appears Harbaugh will be retained. I'm even more disappointed that he's keeping our OC and DC too. I was so hoping that Mr. Bisciotti would move on from Harbaugh or, at the very least, if he just refused to fire him, put him on notice that the only way he could stay would be to replace Both coordinators and, also, show tangible improvement with the team next year. I was hoping for, at least, that. Harbaugh has succeeded in taking a lot of the fun out of watching the Ravens these past few years. I love my team, so I'm sticking with it through thick or thin. But, my goodness, does Harbaugh ever make it painful to watch.

Whats more fun than a 28-27 game? you want Raven blow outs-

I get it that at some point for some NFL teams, totally gutting an organization needs to be done. I do not see that for the Ravens for 2017. You make a point but then contradict it by an ultimatum which makes no sense. If you want to give a coach a timeline to "shape up or ship out" you don't tell him who he can use to do it. That is the point of why you tell him -its his job. Furthermore, its not Harbs fault that the OC's have left, if anyone as far as the final decision It is Bisciotti's he is the owner. He makes the deals and decides who stays and who doesn't as far as the front office and major releases such as Kubiak. The Ravens are an organization that promotes growth for their staff. It can work both ways. Some teams like the Patriots..not so much. Its just the nature of the Ravens way.
As far as Harbs leaving, I think it will be a mutual thing. I expect that the Ravens will have a winning record next year or Harbs will not be feeling too good about his performance himself. But to rip out what staff has taken hold over this year, I think would be a mistake. Obviously so do Harbs and Bisciotti, and they are who count.
As they see on the grid iron, "we will see". Go Ravens!

PS I like the idea of moving some assistant coaches around.

Also after visiting a few of the practices this year I might make comments;
-a little less of the broken particle/regiment practices
-and increase practice the following;
suggestions; more Full team- work the line schemes- Defensive drop zone coverage- multi schemes from the same formation both sides of the ball- audible- play action - audible - play action, did I mention - audible - play action
also cut out some more of the goofing off- this team was too nonchalant at camp to be 8-8!-